#Yoda critical

[gch1995]

Why do you care about Vader's feelings so much? He doesn't deserve dignity. I hope Lucasfilm makes a story where he's captured by the Rebellion and brutally tortured until he's crying for Shmi. They'll use force suppressing devices and make him feel like the worthless slave he is

I care because Star Wars is primarily Anakin’s story, whether you like it or not. I care because Luke’s entire character arc in the OT films is pointless if Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda were always meant to be the perfect mentors, who did nothing wrong. I care, not just about Anakin’s feelings, but the feelings of every other Jedi recruit who had serious issues with the way the old Jedi Order and Republic operated.

I care, because if the Jedi are supposed to be the good guys, in spite of their flaws, then we should ultimately be rooting for them to rise again with Luke Skywalker. Because Anakin’s arc and feelings in the prequels are no longer treated as valid in the Disney era of Star Wars, that means Obi-Wan and Yoda are treated as being completely right all along, and the new Jedi Order cannot grow with Luke Skywalker in the current canon. The same bad choices and mistakes keep being made in the current canon because he follows his blatantly misguided predecessors, which was not implied at the end of the OT movies at all. While I would never agree that mass murder/genocide is the answer to deal with stopping them, because the current canon narrative ignores all the serious issues Anakin and his predecessors had, at least in part, because of the blatant corruption within the Order and Republic they grew up amongst, I’m also not too thrilled that Luke rebuilt the Order because he’s repeating all of their misguided choices and practices in current canon as a result.

[sandybrett]

What was going through the head of the person who wrote that awful "Do or do not, there is no try" line for Yoda? Did they think people who struggle with new, difficult tasks are simply psyching themselves out by thinking the best they can do is try? Or that it's some sort of cop-out? Did they trauma-bond with a harsh teacher who said something similar to them in their formative years? Or were they just trying to come up with something seemingly profound for the eccentric wise teacher to say, without thinking through the implications?

[sonic-fairyspell]

Some Star Wars Memes I made.

[antianakin]

New fun take on Anakin: Apparently the Tusken Massacre is now Yoda's fault instead of Anakin's because Anakin is a little tiny baby who could not possibly know any better at nineteen years old and Yoda apparently "knew" that Anakin was struggling and did nothing to help him figure out how not to murder people on a whim.

[psychomusic]

oc time again! + her town & culture (heavily inspired by pre-roman italic populations)

she is suri sauthon (she/her). her story is linked to my swtor imperial agent, tar'x, but most of her life except for the one year away where she meets him, is spent in a town in the mountains of mirial.

despite mirial being cold and desert, and many cities developing underground, her town flourishes thanks to a force nexus, venerated in the form of an ancient, sacred, alive crystal. the ecosystem of that mountain depended on what "the horned crystal" was capable of giving them, but mirialans couldn't live off of that alone, so they developed trade and some rudimental technology, even if oftentimes it was bought thanks to the highly profitable trade of a plant used to make medicines that slowed down aging and had overall healing properties.

note: everything that's generated by this nexus has these healing properties BUT they have to be processed, except for those who bathed in the waters of the cavity under the crystal - the "real" nexus, but not the worshipped one. the waters were sacred but they were not thought to be miraculous, unlike the crystal, who instead was thought of as the keystone of the ecosystem: without it, everything would fall apart (and that is partially true: the cavity was the "real" nexus but thanks to the crystal, also strong in the force, the properties were spread all over the mountains). those who bathed in the cavity's waters - so, all of the town, who had a sort of baptism there - could eat the plant, make whatever food with it, and not only that plant, but everything generated by the nexus, that, again, had similar properties. this allowed people to live up to normal life-spans without advanced medicines or, much, really. to those who didn't live there, though, after the processing, had incredible effects, slowing down aging - for those who took it regularly - and making people able to live up to half a century more than the average]

originally, there were four tribes of nomads that lived thanks to horned farm animals that decided to settle down into one bigger town and other smaller settlements, to live off of transhumance. this division of the tribes stayed into the political and social organization: every person belonged to one tribe specifically, and had slightly different rituals and culture. for examples, each tribe had their own priests and healers, with different techniques and traditions. the town, tho, was guided by a group of people in the high priesthood, a position you could reach only by having earned the trust of all tribes. those high priests had many roles: they guided the people into sacred processions common to all the tribes, they managed the trading with outsiders, they did the maintenance of the temple of the summit (the one that functioned as casket to the crystal) and created a special liquid to offer the crystal that helps it grow.

this particular temple was important because 1. it was very visible, from every angle of the town, and it became an important identity symbol; 2. it stored the venerated horned crystal; 3. it had the altar where sacrifices were made for the crystals. that altar had a hole connected to the cavity, that allowed the liquids to reach the underground; 4. it had various symbols: statues representing each tribe + the high priesthood, and typical mirialan tattoos carved into the wood of the trees that served as columns for the temple, symbolizing 8 values that who dared to enter HAD to have; 5. it was on the way to an important lake (called "mother lake" because the lake the town was built around to depended on the waters of that other lake) where they traveled to in important processions; 6. it was said that a the wizard who unified the tribes made it with its magic, making the plant grow to hold the temple's roof. this wizard was, actually, a force user, obv.

BACK TO HER THOUGH: she's daughter of one of the high priests, who was in charge of managing the trades with outsiders, and lives in a house on the mountains with her mother and him. her parents are from different tribes (that's one of the things that earned him trust from the 4 tribes): when a child is born from two different tribes, they don't pick one to allign to, but they're usually linked automatically to the one with more relatives in it (in her case, the father's tribe: she had many uncles and aunts on his side while her mom only had one sister).

later, though, she got quite tied to her mother's tribe due to a mysterious illness that only her mother's tribe healer was able to cure. she spent 4 years (from 10 to 14 years old) living with the healer and learned her secrets. to better study, she wrote them down. when she returned home, she studied to become a priestess with her father. at 22 (the average age: you can't become priest before your 20s), she was supposed to take a test and become a priestess, but the healer of her mother's tribe died and the tribe asked her to take her place. she couldn't technically do that, but both tribes estimated both her and her parents and she was allowed to become both. she then decided to try to become a high priestess, and became one at 25 (a quite young age). being part of the council, she tried to convince the various tribe healers to unite their knowledges and write them down, and eventually made it. healers still remained tribe based but they now had an "upper, inter-tribe level" similar to high priesthood.

years later, the sacred horned crystal is stolen from the temple by some Hutt mercenaries looking for a profit. given the trust she has earned from all the tribes and the fact that her father is the high priest that deals with outsiders (and she's been hearing stories and advice about it since she was little), she is the one tasked with getting it back. without the growing crystal, the keystone to their ecosystem, the village would have lasted only a few years. in hrr quest, she meets imperial intelligence agent tar'x laran and, as they "solve the mystery" and fight to have it back, they get closer. they'll get married and have a daughter, Vegoia (who's the only one who actually will get to the plot of my story. this was all background)

[undead-knick-knack]

Fearne: NO! 😤😭

[jedimasterbailey]

Is anyone tired of Ahsoka’s entire existence being based around Anakin? Like yes, Anakin being her Master is significant but the way canon is going these days would make it seem like Ahsoka literally had no life or relations outside of Anakin. Like what about her relationship with Plo Koon? What about Obi-Wan? Yoda? BARRISS?! Like Ahsoka had MANY relationships outside of Anakin and has spent more time away from him than with him as his apprentice. Ahsoka is her own woman who has her own unique fighting style, her own set of talents, her own experience, etc. But no all she’s ever seen is “Anakin’s apprentice.” Like Thrawn only sees her as a threat because Anakin was her Master. Baylan’s only source of taunting Ahsoka was bringing up Anakin. Like it’s non stop and it’s like did Dave forget that Ahsoka is way more than that or…? I’m just personally tired of it. I didn’t grow to love Ahsoka because she’s Anakin’s Padawan, I grew to love Ahsoka because she’s AHSOKA!

[alliwantistowearcomfypants]

I'm not gonna lie, I think mandalorian should have ended at season 2. It just buttoned up so well, and the message was incredible. It was touching and sad. And then, like a month later, it didn't matter. Season 3 was so disappointing to me, and I think a big reason for that is because it lacked that simplicity the first 2 seasons had. The show was just about a damaged man finding his humanity and helping various people along the way. I know that not everyone loved the simplicity, but I think it was the best thing the show had going for it. Star Wars often suffers from stuffing so much crap in the story that it forgets to add character arcs.

The first 2 seasons are super character focused. The plot is so intertwined with Dins' character growth that it doesn't focus on the big picture. But in s3, Din barely has any growth as a character. There's stuff happening left and right, but Din doesn't really have any emotional stakes in it. Him trying to get his mandalorian status back feels hallow because we literally just watched 2 whole seasons of him breaking away from it. One of the biggest character moments for him was taking off his helmet for grogu. He's telling grogu that he matters more. That he would give it all up for him. It's so touching and feels like his character's natural progression. And then we're supposed to care when all of a sudden he wants back into the morally questionable pseudo cult he broke away from for his baby? I don't care! That plot point also resolves itself in like 3 episodes with little to no confluct, so now what. He wants to help Bo Katan. Ok. Why. No idea. He's kinda just there, watching things happen around him. There's no inner conflict or tough decisions he needs to make. His character arc is over, and you can tell the writers didn't know what to do with him.

The show is honestly focused more on bo katan than din. Which, no hate to her, but I'm not here for her. She's treated like a wronged princess, not like a deeply flawed terrorist who saw the error of her ways way too late. She literally aided in getting her planet overrun by crime leaders and sith. And the show just brushes past that. They don't even mention Satine, which could have been a great way to humanize Bo. Have her struggle with the fact that she got her sister killed. Have her wanting to restore mandalor for her sister, who died trying to protect it. It would have been so much more impactful if Bo Katan's motivation was out of guilt for getting her sister killed and planet overrun. She could have slowly opened up about her complicated relationship with her sister. She could have had an obi wan kenobi type arc. Learning the only thing she can do is move forward. Try to right her wrongs. Restore Mandalore in the name of her flawed but deeply devoted sister. I do not understand why they didn't at least touch on Bo's personal ties to the planet. She feels so one dimensional, and they could have easily made her more interesting. Or at least motivating.

My biggest problem with the show is that I didn't really care. I didn't care about Bo Katan's goals or Din's. And I think the biggest reason is because the show forgot to add character moments that tied them to the things they want in a personal way. Also, Din's baptism thing was stupid. Just cut that out entirely. No one wanted that.

[peregrinvs]

least favourite kind of character

[raleighrador]

Jedi and the clone wars: not a big deal that traumatised child soldiers but also cultural warfare

I will start with acknowledging that the internet is not a monolith so I don't know that any individual person hold's both of these positions. That said:

I have seen a lot more posts supporting 2 basic positions lately:

Ahsoka (and Anakin and other Jedi) were not traumatised by the Clone Wars, it wasn't insane and a moral failing that the Jedi sent children to the frontlines because - and there is often the quoted exchange between Filoni and Lucas - "don't over think it, she is a Jedi, she is well trained, she's got this handled"

The Jedi were conscripted against their will into the war and this not only weakened their political position and made them unpopular it was also psychically and culturally traumatising because they were never meant to be soldiers

These 2 things are clearly in tension.

How can it meaningfully be true that a Padawn - who has not finished their training - is fully able and equipped to "handle this" but the institution as a whole was somehow massively damaged by the war?

To me it is clearly the case that it was in fact culturally corrosive for the Jedi to become generals and soldiers, and a lot of that is because the individual Jedi themselves (by virtue of their upbringing and nature) were totally unprepared to deal with the reality of war.

What does "unprepared" mean? I think it means that Jedi serving in the Clone Wars basically fell into 2 camps:

Killed off very quickly because the reality of full scale combat was so far beyond what they were capable of handling (and likely killed a bunch of clone troopers through poor military decision making along the way). I think this is most/many

Quickly adapted to and even "thrived" in a war - I think this is a very small number and basically seems to have been the Council Masters, Anakin (arguably Ahsoka), and maybe a handful of others

The first group damaged the institution because it hollowed it out, it killed off lots of Jedi and just meant there were far fewer Jedi.

The second group is arguably even worse - because the way these Jedi survived and excelled was by compromising on what it meant to be a Jedi/were rewarded for the ways they were "bad" Jedi (ie specifically bad at the more philosophical elements of being a Jedi).

The venn diagram of reasons as to why Anakin is a bad Jedi and why he is the most famous and most successful Knight/General are a circle. Aggression, power, deeply invested relationships, acting on instinct, even anger all contribute to his success and make sense in the context of full scale war.

The other Jedi - Windu, Kenobi, Yoda etc - are also effective militarily without leaning into the same things but it comes at huge personal cost. It is literally eating at their soul.

The Padawan's who have the skills to survive and succeed clearly dont have the mental or emotional means of handling it in the same way. Hence Ahsoka leaving, hence Bariss becoming a terrorist (who makes good points).

All the reasons that make the Jedi deeply unhappy about being drafted into the war are the exact same reasons why the fact they sent children to the frontlines is insane.

[gch1995]

Yeah, too much fear of taking a risk to face the unknown by listening to their consciences to instead hold onto control and security obsessively at all costs by knowingly doing the wrong things to try to more easily avoid conflict, isolation, and loss under the abuse, emotional neglect, and pressures of corrupt authority figures, enemies, outsiders, and war, were the greatest undoing of Anakin Skywalker, the old Republic, and the old Jedi Order. Anger and pride were there on the surface, too, but underlying all that was too much fear to take a risk to do what they knew was right because that also meant facing the unknown.

Unfortunately, you can’t really be a hero and achieve any sort of peace and resolution that you set out to when you’re too afraid to let go of any sort of control and security to actually risk doing the right thing under pressure. Doing the right thing means being brave enough to accept that you could fail, get hurt, and lose loved ones. Doing the right thing means being brave enough to risk adapting, being kind, being honest, being vulnerable, and exploring uncharted territory where you and/or those your closest to might not always be at the top. Doing the right thing means being brave enough to accept that the potential losses of control, companionship, and security under shitty circumstances, are still worth the risk to maintain your moral integrity.

Anakin became too afraid to risk doing the right thing most of the time under pressure. Yoda, Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, Qui Gonn, the Jedi Council, most of the Jedi knights, Padme, and the Republic Senate became too afraid to risk doing the right thing under pressure most of the time.

That is why Anakin, the old Republic, and the old Jedi Order destroyed themselves.

By contrast, Luke was not too afraid to risk facing the unknown by doing the right thing in the OT movies, even under pressure. He was able to accept that he might fail and lose trying to do the right thing, but it was still worth the risk to try, anyway. That’s why he succeeded as a hero, while his predecessors repeatedly failed. Granted, he had less reasons to be afraid than his father and his predecessors because he didn’t get raised within the corruption and isolation of those broken systems that they all did. He was able to feel more secure doing the right thing than them. It still doesn’t make the many atrocities and bad decisions of Anakin and the members of the old Jedi Order, Republic, and Empire enabled and perpetuated okay, though. They still knew right from wrong. They repeatedly chose wrong because it guaranteed them easier access to having control and safety under those shitty circumstances, rather than taking a risk to face the unknown by standing up for the right things.

how did the jedi not realize palpatine was the sith lord did he never give them the sheevie jeebies

[antianakin]

Also, I had another question for you, if you don’t mind giving your thoughts on it: I recently came across a post criticizing Obi-Wan and Yoda for not telling Luke that Anakin was ‘Darth Vader’: AKA: his father. And I think it’s been kind of established that they were going to tell Luke when they felt he was ready, but when things spiraled out of control at the beginning of ‘A New Hope’ that they thought it would just be too painful? And like… OBVIOUSLY they are not telling Luke he needs to kill Anakin to be cruel. They’re telling him Anakin WILL force Luke’s hand into having to defend himself because Anakin will try to slice Luke’s fucking head off. Lol.

But anyway, the reason this tumblr post I came across bothered me is because it was really vindictive and bitter in accusing Yoda… of wanting revenge. Like… saying THAT’S the reason Yoda tried to get Luke to kill Anakin. And not… idk… the fact the galaxy was on fire. 🤦‍♀️ Essentially, they admitted that what the Jedi went through was a genocide. But instead of showing SYMPATHY, they turned it around by saying that Yoda was CRUEL and demonizing him even if he DID want revenge… as a GENOCIDE victim. And it just felt… SO gross. 😭🤢 Because it was OBVIOUS what they cared about the most was Anakin’s pain in the suit and Luke’s conflict with killing Anakin. But Yoda being a GENOCIDE VICTIM meant nothing to them. And that isn’t even the REASON Yoda and Obi-Wan say Luke may have to kill Anakin! It’s because Anakin is dangerous and burning the galaxy down with Palpatine at that point in time. Essentially; they believe it’s for the greater good.

But what REALLY grinds my gears is how even if their theory about Yoda WAS true… they would demonize the GENOCIDE VICTIM over wanting justice/revenge over the actual guy who helped slaughter them. 🤦‍♀️🤢 It just… pissed me off SO much. Lol.

But anyway, you don’t have to give your thoughts if you don’t want to, but I always love hearing your take on backwards logic like this from radical Anakin/Anidala/anti Jedi fans (this was from a radical Anidala fan, which I guess makes sense now that I think about it why they didn’t care about the Jedi’s plight and just the Skywalker family’s pain).

Someone else sent me an ask about something very similar to this yesterday. My response is in the queue, so I don't want to completely overlap this. But whatever post generated these asks, I'm so glad I've curated my dash enough not to have to see it.

I think people seem to overestimate the amount of time Obi-Wan and Yoda have in which they could have told Luke about Vader.

Obi-Wan is a stranger to Luke for most of his life, something that generally gets explained away in other media as Owen not wanting Obi-Wan around, but it's not super clear in the films themselves why Obi-Wan has kept his distance for so long. But regardless, he has. And Obi-Wan DOES give Luke quite a lot of information that his aunt and uncle have been keeping from him in the immediate aftermath of them meeting in ANH. He tells him that his father was a Jedi who was "killed" by Darth Vader, and he tells him Darth Vader was his student and that Vader betrayed them all. The only thing missing is that these are the same people, but also this is their FIRST conversation about this and Obi-Wan is pretty clearly trying to gently bring Luke into this wider world he's never known and not just drop a bunch of massive bombshells on his shoulders. He's also trying to convince Luke to leave Tatooine with him, and it likely won't help to tell him that his father is a traitor who is currently still an incredible danger to him.

And then Owen and Beru die and Luke is in mourning and Obi-Wan's primary focus is on getting to Alderaan and not throwing more pressure on Luke than he can handle in a situation where he's already going to feel under a lot of pressure. And then he dies. And while Obi-Wan is occasionally able to speak to Luke after he dies, it seems to be pretty sporadic at best and he can't stick around for very long until after Luke gets to Dagobah. So his ability to have a nice long conversation about Vader is incredibly minimal.

And finally there's Luke's time on Dagobah where he does seem to have more ready access to both Obi-Wan and Yoda, but Yoda is still seeing a LOT of reasons to keep this information from Luke. Luke struggles with believing in himself, he takes a weapon into the cave, he's reckless and impulsive, etc. And there's no telling just how long the two of them have together and it's more important to get Luke as trained as possible so that he stays alive (and also so that when it IS time for him to learn this information, he can HANDLE IT).

And that's it. There's always bigger priorities and good reason for both Yoda and Obi-Wan to believe that Luke isn't quite ready to learn this given how painful of a truth it would be. And you know what? When Luke IS given this information, he nearly gives up on everything as a reaction. He wasn't ready. Yoda and Obi-Wan were right.

The other ask I answered is more about Obi-Wan telling Luke he has to prepare himself for the super likely possibility that he'll have to kill his father, so I won't go into that much here. It's weird to put accusations on Yoda since, to my memory, Yoda and Luke never HAVE a conversation about Vader, let alone one where Yoda tells Luke to kill him. Is the argument supposed to be that Yoda kept the information from Luke so that Luke would always hate Anakin and therefore be more likely to kill him?

But. Yeah. The kinder, more objective answer to this is like you said, they're preparing him for the possibility that Anakin will try to kill HIM and so he might have to defend himself. They're preparing him for the possibility that Anakin CANNOT BE SAVED because he's shown exactly no inclination to stop murdering people for the last twenty some-odd years, even when faced with people he used to claim to love. Don't lose a thousand people just to save one. If Luke refuses to do what has to be done and dies as a result (or is turned into a Sith himself), the entire galaxy suffers. Leia MIGHT be able to pick up the torch after him (although she'd never have a living master to help her train), but it would probably take YEARS before she could manage to do what Luke could not.

The more bitter answer to this from someone who's not a fan of Anakin is that Anakin deserves it. Like you said, I'm more inclined to feel sympathy for the people who are genocide victims wanting justice or even vengeance for what was done to them than I am inclined to feel sympathy for the person who committed said genocide. It's why I feel a hell of a lot more sympathy for Reva than I ever have for Anakin (Reva also stops killing people WAY earlier than Anakin and shows more empathy towards people she's not personally related to than Anakin ever does). I'm over here HOPING that suit hurts him, I HOPE that he struggles to breathe every day, I hope his breath burns in his lungs every time air is pumped into him, I hope he feels that pain every moment of every day he has to stay alive. I could not give less of a shit about Anakin's pain. It's not even just the one genocide, either. Every single clone who dies after Order 66, their enslavement and loss of what little autonomy they had, can thank Anakin for what was done to them. And then he spends over TWENTY YEARS spreading pain and destruction and death across the galaxy. There are MILLIONS of lives gone exclusively because of Anakin. Anakin is DROWNING in the blood of the people he's killed. I hope it suffocates him. Even if Obi-Wan and Yoda DID want Luke to kill his father out of vengeance, I wouldn't blame them.

So yeah. Fuck Anakin. Who gives a shit if he's in pain. Luke is so lucky he didn't have to actually get to know his complete shit heel of a father and that his primary father figures ended up being Owen, Obi-Wan, and Yoda. Imagine how awful his life would've been if he'd actually had to live with Anakin as a father at any point. Luke dodged a bullet in so many ways.

This is why I don't engage with people like that anymore. There's so little point. I'm set in my ways and opinions now for the most part and they likely are, too. Arguing with them is just going to make everybody feel worse. I'd rather stay in my corner, even if I'm ranting in that corner.

[anilucy]

This idea came to me in a dream. Makes sense? Probably Not(t)

[infinitepunches]

Every character on The Acolyte is competing to be the least likable character on The Acolyte.

But none can hold a candle to Vernestra Rwoh.

[marvelstars]

"And they don't even do it with the belief he would act more like a Jedi would. They deliberately set it up to cause him the most emotional turmoil and struggle so they can sell a ruse"

I agree, this is what bothers me the most in this story, his emotional unstability was used as a means to an end how can you trust your superiors when they are activelly seeing you as a tool to use and discard and lie to anytime they want?

When Anakin asked yoda directly WHY what did he do to deserve such a treatment, Yoda answered he was dangerous to friends and enemies alike so they could not trust him.

I see many things wrong here

1.- If the Jedi Council is aware of Anakin being too emotionally unstable then he should be taken off the war and be given counselling or some kind of mental health treatment at the very least, instead of this his he is being given more and more missions because he is useful in battle and is one of the best generals they have. So they use his hability as a warrior without giving his mind the methods to cope with the stress of war as well as his previous trauma.

2.- Instead of addresing the reason WHY Anakin has a deep fear of death and abandonement, his mother being left a slave, being separated from her and his mother death, they kill off his other parental figure right in front of him expecting him to react badly to sell a strategy, so he isn´t just wrong for being unable to cope with the death of his loved ones, he is supposed to be ok with his superiors punishing this, in their mind, flaw of character to use his emotions as a tool of war.

3.- Yoda and Windu knew that using someone´s feelings this way was wrong, yet they not only go ahead with Obi-Wan´s plans, who btw didn´t even seem to regret suggesting this and using Anakin this way, at least Mace and Yoda were regretful.

Yoda is completely unable due to pride to tell Anakin they were not sure this was the best path but they did it due to pragmatism, instead of that Yoda tells Anakin he´s dangerous, justifying the fact they used Anakin´s emotions as a tool.

Anakin certainly has his own faults and moments of hypocrisy but the Jedi Council showed here they were not just being hypocrites, they showed a total lack of care for Anakin as person and member of their order but also an insane amount of pride and arrogance, because that is the thing keeping them from addmiting honestly they don´t have all the answers, the war is getting out of their hands and suggerences would be accepted, Anakin would have understood that.

This is why I belive the fatal flaw of the Order in the tragedy of prequels in general and this case in particular isn´t hypocrisy, it´s pride.

This is also the reason why I can´t see them as a religious order because they not only do this to Anakin, they did this with many of their padawans who were left abandoned and mostly because Lucas used a mix of different beliefs(mostly buddism) to give to them in the prequels but as part of their philosophy but their role as peace keepers makes them look more like Samurai than Monks, still this kind of treatment of one of their own is wrong either way. This shows they never truly saw Anakin as one of their own, their relationship is still on stage 1, Anakin is dangerous because of his powers and feelings so he needs to be contained and used, not understood and guided.

Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008-2020) 2.19 "The Zillo Beast Strikes Back" | 4.18 "Crisis on Naboo"

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[sherlockholmeshound]

whenever ppl try to come up with some version of 'romance and love isn't forbidden by the jedi, on this one novel-'

i'm just...