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Professor Caduceia and Snakely
Checked out the storyboard for the deleted s1 episode "Homesick"
You can read it here : https://t.co/WpZJFWbR48
I just loved these cut villains, one whose design def seemed like it was given to raine when they got cut. (I wonder if the color palette was similar, but we don't have a reference to that so idk)
Thoughts on the cut episode below:
An episode where king and owlbert of all characters bond is kinda neat, especially since it provides owlbert himself a bit more character here.
The opening is def far different from any of the final ones we ever see in the series, in fact it feels like it should be taking place during the episode but it can't be given we see hooty from being sick to not being sick in pretty chronological order?
A focus on the healing coven was nice to see, especially since we never got that in the show itself, and get some idea of their powerset and what they do magic wise.
So Manny was an ambulance driver, and Camila was a nurse in this. People originally assumed camila was a nurse when the show started, and it makes me wonder if that was changed between seasons at some point cause clearly the crew decided to change her profession and it's unclear why.
you can use your palisman as a communicator? and an umbrella? I do think it's so weird that even at the very end of the show, they establish brand new rules for palisman. Like them being able to shapeshift into objects is straight up not explained and just sorta....happens in the show, like i feel like hunter would have no issue hiding flap if this is a thing. (It also kinda makes stringbean's ability slightly less unique) Like this is displayed in these boards, but they kept it even in the show itself, and i think palisman might need a proper rulebook.
On that same note, owlbert uses magic in this board, like we kinda knew palisman could do some magic without a witch, but this is the only time we've seen one use it to fight another witch that wasn't the batqueen. Like owlbert tries to full on blast people in this. I don't know if removing this episode makes this ability less canon in the world itself since they still can do magic in the show, it's just worth noting that palisman, according to this board, CAN fight back, even if they're not incredibly strong it seems. Certainly the kinda thing that makes you think on other episodes tbh.
This episode also brings up the idea that eda actually CAN and DOES bring human food to the BI, which never happens in the show, in fact luz implies she gets to eat very little options there, so this idea seems no longer canon?
The demon hunters at one point don't even seem to recognize owlbert as a palisman, which does not entirely make sense given they seem to be mostly common to the townsfolk, so I'm kinda glad for that plot hole being gone.
Caduceia makes it out like the emperor's coven forced her to teach? and she thought handing over a house demon to belos would get her out of teaching as if it were some kinda punishment or job she was made to do? I have questions
side note, house demons are called rare in this, like they're not common, not sure if this still applies in the final show, but yeah.
there's some very sweet moments in this with luz and eda especially, but also some funny moments, and some jokes that land a little less....i don't think we needed Caduceia to be kissing her snake like that from that angle, even if it was meant to be a little uncomfortable.
one reason i think this episode did get cut? we got a glyph in this
a healing glyph, which has some ties to water based on it's symbol
i'm guessing since they kept the main glyphs element based, a healing glyph would of stuck out and been a bit weird. Like it just heals people, it doesn't produce water despite looking close to the alchemy symbol for water, and well....we already got ice so this would be redundent.
so yeah, this episode introduced a new glyph that saved them in the end so it would of come back in future episodes, but to keep it simple that would mean cutting the entire episode as a whole just to keep the four.
Since they enjoyed Caduceia's design so much, they must've repurposed it for raine somewhere down the line.
very fun insight into a scrapped episode.
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I feel TOH fails a lot with the treatment that Belos and his lore receive towards the end. I think his arc will feel so much more complete if the show was allowed to show us that he suffered in the past and wasn't like "nah he is just pure evil and he has always been like that". I don't like how the show wants you to believe that Caleb did nothing wrong or reprehensible when there's obvious implications that he abandoned Philip to go with Evelyn, it will be so much more interesting that the show recognized that Caleb was naive and selfish in abandoning his brother (who only have him as family and support figure) to his own in the puritan era, and how that action of Caleb deeply damaged Philip emotionally and mentally (kinda like Luz abandoning Camila to live her fantasy in the Boiling Isles without thinking in the consequences (I'm still pissed that she didn't apologize to her mom for running away at the end) but we are not talking about that right now, I love Luz btw don't get mad at me). And Philip, who probably entered the Isles with the sole intention to "save" his brother who at his eyes was bewitched and seduced by an evil witch to go with her, when he finally found his brother after many years and found out that Caleb actually loved Evelyn and DECIDED to leave him behind he totally lost his mind.
A confrontation escene between Philip and Caleb (it could be a flashback or something showed in Hollow Mind even) will be so interesting to watch, something like in the third season of Infinity Train when Simon confronts The Cat for abandoning him as a child, Caleb will try to justify himself at first saying that he is sorry, that he thought Philip was going to be okay on his own, that he didn't thought that he was going to miss him or something, making Philip more angry, sad and confused.
The situation will scale to the point that Philip, (who's original goal was to kill Evelyn to bring back Caleb in the Human Realm) now that he is angry, sad and out of his senses he tries to attack Caleb with the dagger he had in his hand which triggers the knife fight in which Caleb dies.
Philip, after realizing that he killed the only person he had in the world, he tries to justify himself in an internal monologue like: "oh well, I murdered you, but in doing so I freed your soul from the union with that sinful witch. That's what the witch hunting taught me, right? That's what YOU taught me, RIGHT?". Trying to shift the blame for what just happened onto Caleb but also letting us know and acknowledging that it was Caleb who introduced and instructed Philip in the witch hunt and did nothing to reverse it.
Coming to the end, when the fight ends and Belos and Luz are face to face, the scene would play out more or less as we see it in canon but at the moment in which the first drop of boiling rain falls on his hand and begins to see his body dissolve, he enters a mental breakdown in which he realizes that he wasted his entire life on a goal that made no sense, the witches weren't evil or a threat and he knew it, but he clung to his goal because he did not want to face the reality, he did not want to accept that he had killed his brother in vain nor did he want to accept that he had decided to abandon him, and he did not want to die knowing that he wasted 400 years suffering for something that was not worth it. At the end of his collapse he would crawl a little and see Hunter in the distance (because yes, Hunter should have been present in the end even a little), he would try to extend his hand in his direction but Hunter, noticing this, would close his eyes, look away and take a step back behind Eda and Raine. Philip experienced his brother's abandonment again but with the difference that this time it is merely his fault, because even if Caleb damaged Philip deeply with his abandonment, he is not responsable of the path Philip choosed to take.
Seeing and realizing all of this Belos would stop crawling and give up, lying on the ground, breathing hard as the boiling rain finally dissolves him and dies.
Or at least that is how I liked it to happen, let me know what you think.
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The Owl House is a story that begins with a mother and child being separated by a system, and then throughout the series, is the story of the two of them working to get back to one another; Luz putting in so much effort to create a new portal, while Camila becomes more understanding of her daughter.
Luz went with Eda, who wasn’t meant to replace Camila, but the system Luz herself was supposed to be sent to anyway. And Luz planned to go back to her mother once camp ended, with Eda recognizing Camila’s connection and encouraging Luz to do so; Helping Luz self-actualize, which would allow her to reconnect with Camila on a genuine level, instead of suppressing herself for Camila’s misguided efforts and building up resentment in the long-term, as had happened between Gwen and Eda.
Mother and daughter thought the other didn’t want them back yet, but they did; Camila clearly had second thoughts and that led her to go back and drive Luz to camp herself, which helped her meet Vee, which gave her a reference to better understand Luz as she waited for her daughter to come back. Luz wanted to tell her mom everything, but had her fears worsened by Grometheus, and then had that taken out of her hands in a way that only exacerbated their misunderstandings and made Luz feel more unwelcomed.
And who took that from her? An arrogant, bigoted white man with delusions of grandeur and an enthusiasm for dehumanization. Jacob Hopkins’ attempted murder creates a stressful situation for Camila, which leads to her having an outburst towards Luz (one she regrets) that helps inspire a lot of shame in Luz for her decision. And Jacob is someone who explicitly fashions himself after Puritans like Belos, who are infamous for their culture of shame.
Belos especially is someone who insists that Luz is being ‘corrupted’ by a family and culture she actually enjoys and benefits from, and the way he talks about ‘saving’ Luz’s soul by taking her away from these people (and no doubt re-educating her under his proper Christian tutelage) is an example of how the U.S. would kidnap and whitewash children of color; Such as in separating Native children from their tribes, to raise them with white names and Christian beliefs, with white hairstyles and fashion.
And the evolution of this is in the racism of the foster care system, which many, including its own workers, call out for its biases; Placing families of color under particular scrutiny compared to their white counterparts, assuming the worst of them, sending them to ‘better’ (AKA white and Christian) families.
Puritans and Protestants are alike, and it was a Protestant minister who argued for taking Irish children from their parents. Black women like Camila are dismissed and seen as incapable of looking after their children (despite black women historically being forced to look after their white masters’ children), and poorer families are punished for not having the wealth to take care of their children as easily as wealthier ones.
(Satisfyingly ironic, then, that in TOH we see the children of two white, wealthy families get to cut ties from their abusers and find actual healthy relationships in others, many of whom are working-class PoC.)
Luz’s interactions with Belos are isolated, and he’s the one doing the isolating too; He whisks away King and Lilith, has Lilith taken by the Stonesleeper, buries Hunter alive, sends Kikimora and the Collector away, and suppresses Hunter within his own body. Sometimes her friends come in to help, but when it comes to talking with him? Luz is left alone with that dude far too often, left alone to explain and defend herself against a grown man who manipulates people; It’s no wonder Belos still managed to gaslight Luz on her personal guilt, even if not the ‘guilt’ of the Boiling Isles.
Makes it all the more satisfying then that his death comes not just from Luz refusing to waste energy in entertaining Belos’ rhetoric (“You’re not coming from a place of intellectual honesty, so debating you would be pointless!”), but also from her family getting to step in for Luz; Her family getting to have the last word and speak and argue for Luz, in her defense, after she argued for the defense of the isles and her loved ones against Belos by herself, so many times.
Isolation is not just a cult tactic; It’s the racial implications of separating a child from people like her, in order to tell her they’re a bad influence, in order to keep them from supporting her. In particular, Belos’ demeaning attitude towards Luz in King’s Tide reeks of a racist who wants to ‘civilize’ a child of color; He might claim to want to bring Luz back to her ‘home’ with humanity as she tried, but it would be on his terms, Belos would mean it the same way as the system does, where he means Luz going to a specific type of humanity that isn’t her mother, making her home on Earth more hostile until it isn’t home; Plus Luz’s friends in the demon realm ARE her home as well, so both would be cut off.
If Belos had his way in the human realm he’d have separated her from Camila, not unlike how white slave owners would claim the children of their slaves as property, and separate them from their mothers; Black women have often had their motherhood towards their own children stolen away from them in the U.S., only to be expected to exercise it towards white charges.
And in the very next episode? We see the implicit threats of the counselor towards Camila, who preys on her own struggles with ostracizing in the past. And where does that come from? We’re reminded in Gravesfield’s shameful past of witch hunting, which is itself intertwined with its bigotry in many forms, from misogyny to racism; A historical re-enactment calls out the insincerity of all witch hunters.
Gravesfield is a Puritan colony, and the Puritans helped found and inform the United States and its many, MANY issues, such as its punitive justice system, its racism, its religious colonialism, etc. Belos tricks witches in the Demon Realm and profits off their labor, just as the U.S. often tricks native tribes, immigrant workers, and freed slaves via exploitative contracts; And then take credit and act like their ‘achievements’ are what make white men like them so great.
So while deeply toned down in the present-day, there’s a connection between a state/school system that takes a child away from her mother to be molded into what they deem more fitting, and how Gravesfield threatened violence on those who don’t agree to fit in; Particularly Evelyn, as well as Caleb, who actually took his opportunity to flee. That school counselor is the modern Belos, taking Luz from her family to be re-educated.
Things have certainly improved, and kids in that Reality Check Camp were able to find camaraderie (either because of or in spite of the camp), but the dark past of Gravesfield was haunting the Nocedas even before Luz visited the Demon Realm. Things like Child Protective Services can be a tool for good and have been, but there’s always the implicit biases to beware, and the darker origins that those who act in good faith are attempting to overcome via reform; The same can be said for the U.S. as a whole, really, with PoC familiar with the criticisms playing a big part in both.
And the hostility towards outsiders, the categorization of a default that then defines those who don’t fit in as ‘weirdos’, clearly affected Camila as it does many immigrant families; If immigrants cannot find other ‘weirdos’ as defined by the white majority, a place to belong in a community like them, then they will be vulnerable to the system’s exploitation.
Note that of the four kids sent to camp, three of them appear to be from migrant families and/or PoC; One of them is white but evidently Russian (So not white in the typical U.S. hegemony way, plus they’re a NB witch), and you could parallel Belos perceiving an outside world as an inherent threat to humanity, as like the U.S.’s Red Scare paranoia towards Russian “commies” that affected Russian migrants.
So amidst migrant kids being disproportionately targeted, there’s that sense of necessary community that informs a sentiment you don’t have to be an immigrant or even a PoC to empathize with; “Us weirdoes have to stick together.” Camila found Manny, and she found happiness in him and then Luz, and then Vee… And then so many more.
Because after an entire show of mother and daughter trying to get back to each other, despite the implicitly or explicitly racist system and its representatives that tear them apart, they finally do. Near the end of S3 we finally see Luz and Camila succeed, not just in reuniting physically, but emotionally too; Their bond is rekindled, the system doesn’t break that permanently through what felt like Luz to be a betrayal. And so what would’ve been a hollow return in King’s Tide is made truly sincere, and the damages of the first episode truly recovered from.
Because if you think about it; Luz and Camila were the original weirdoes, before we even see Eda or King! You could take it even further with Manny and Camila; And then with his death, Camila and Luz tried to stay together, tried to find ways to not let the system take them apart, even if that meant compromises like the Reality Check Camp. It’s Luz, Eda, and King in the first episode; But it’s also Luz and Camila. All three characters are Luz’s loved ones, her fellow ‘weirdoes’. Luz spends the latter half of the show getting back to Camila physically, and then most of S3 doing that on an emotional level; While at the same time reuniting with Eda and King.
S3 is the climax where despite the efforts of a man who is the remnants of an old system, Luz reunites with her entire family, found and blood, after the show establishes itself via her relationship with them, and the story doesn’t happen without that; No Camila, no Luz accidentally finding the Boiling Isles, and without Eda and King, no Luz deciding to stay and pursue herself. It’s a bond not even death can break, not just literally thanks to the Titan, but also symbolically because we see how Manny still inspires Luz; And once again the Titan helps with that too, being the literal foundation for Luz to meet Eda and King and be inspired to continue that passion.
And with the Titan technically debuting via her body in the first episode, that’s another loved one Luz gets to reunite with in S3, who she still maintains a connection with posthumously despite his death, not unlike Manny. They’re both father figures for Luz in that and other ways, guiding her from beyond and still spiritually ‘alive’, even if for the Titan that becomes only metaphorical after the finale.
Because it’s Luz and Camila, King and Eda, and Manny and the Titan; Two worlds, two kids, two mothers, and two fathers who still look after them. Both families trying to survive the loss of a father, one of them not even knowing it. Eda keeps the Titan’s wild magic alive (something they both share an interest in) through successful rebellion, and looks after King; While Camila remembers Manny’s support by re-engaging with that which they bonded over (Cosmic Frontier) and supporting herself again, as well as Luz.
Even the Clawthornes are alike, not just in Eda and King, but with sisters Eda and Lilith, and their parents Gwen and Dell; A branching offshoot of the same system that antagonizes families like the Nocedas, also antagonized them. It took Lilith from her family by promising things it would never give, and then forced her to change her appearance and beliefs, her personality.
With Lilith especially, despite or because of her conforming to the system’s mold, she was still taken away from her family physically; Even with both parents (and a daughter) not showing any intention to go along, that still happened, and it’s a sickening thing that this is billed as a positive goal, in a way that the Reality Check Camp’s plausible deniability can’t ever measure up to.
Again, it’s not unlike what was discussed earlier about the U.S. with Native Americans, and with Eda and Lilith being redheaded and wild magic like Paganism, there’s a potential tie-in to how the Irish were colonized by the British, for whom the U.S. was an offshoot of (just as the Emperor’s Coven is an offshoot of the Puritans); Or even a tie-in to the aforementioned Protestant minister wanting to separate Irish children from their families! The coven influenced Lilith in cursing Eda, which led to Gwen trying to get back one child still taken from her, and Eda her sister. But the erasure of the coven, down to a Puritan’s masks that hide the true appearance of the isles, is undone.
The Owl House is a story about a lot of things, and one of those stories is the U.S.’s hostility towards PoC, and its attempts to divide and conquer them, often resorting to physical and/or cultural destruction to do so. Even Death itself is an obstacle, whether by the system or by sheer coincidence. But the Nocedas survive anyway; Similarly, the Clawthornes are an indigenous family pulled apart by a branch of that same system, but get together.
Both families get new additions in each other when reuniting. Everyone survives no matter the damage because there’s always weirdoes and the system fighting so hard to suppress that proves how natural and inevitable such people really are; Because when ‘weirdoes’ have a community, is their status as ‘weird’ really so legitimate to begin with, unlike the ‘weirdoes’ themselves?
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Huntlow Grom Redraws (The Confession)
Huntlow Grom Masterpost
Previous: The Fear
Next: The Dance
Video:
Out of the redraws ive done recently, this one was by far the most fun to do. It's probably because I reused a lot of backgrounds from "The Fear," and didn't have to worry about lightening like in "The Mud," but oh boy, I'll have to worry about BOTH of those things in "The Dance,"
I think one of my favorite things in this part is drawing Waffles' expression. We got a live Waffles reaction everyone! I did have some trouble deciding what to do with her in panel 6. Due to her positioning on Willow's right, the angle she was at would make Waffles almost entirely obscured. Originally I had her starting to fly to Hunter in that panel, and she wasn't even in panel 7 due to that, but once I realized too much time would have passed between panels 6 and 8 for Waffles to be in that position in panel 8 (which didn't happen until the lining and coloring phase btw) I had to redo her in panel 6 and add her in panel 7.
I changed some expressions as usual.
In panel 1 Willow is angry at Grom for hurting Hunter.
The biggest one being in panels 5-7 I changed Willow's expression from Luz's happy one, to one that's more... well, pretending to be happy. The reason is because of the biggest difference between the Huntlow Grom and the Lumity Grom is that the feelings for lumity were not yet mutual at their first Grom. For Huntlow, they are, and once Willow saw Hunter's note, she was afraid Hunter might like someone else. Which is why she is trying to be supportive, but also a bit upset as she's now even more worried about her chances with Hunter. (Little does she know the note was for her all along) Hence, the expression change.
In panels 5, 7, and 8 I added blush to Hunter for no other reason then I thought it's cute.
Panel 9 I changed Hunter to have a smile determined expression, which continues into panel 10, while Willow is also determined, but frowning.
I might've missed something but that's all the expression changes outside of the obvious major difference that a palisman is there.
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The reason why the toh fandom can have such wildly diverging interpretations of the Wittebane story is because the show did not do its job. How old was Philip when Caleb left? Did Caleb truly believe in witch hunting or was he just playing along to what the town expected? Did Caleb ever tell Philip anything? Did he ever talk to his brother and try to change his mind? How long was Philip searching for Caleb? How did he get cursed? How exactly did the knife fight start? Did Philip kill Caleb accidentally or on purpose? Did he kill him only because he married a witch or because he left him? Or both?
The fact is, we don't have definitive answers to any of these. We only have educated guesses based on portraits barely glimpsed in the show that lack any context, Masha's barebones version of events, and Belos' self-justifications. Casual fans shouldn't have to be knee-deep in fandom just to get the main villain's backstory, especially when said story is the literal basis of the whole plot.
Plus, if you're going to spend the final half of your last season barely exploring the villain's origins, only to completely ignore it in the series finale, then you've written a bad ending.
Update: This is getting some notes so I'm including additional thoughts to the original post. The rest will be under the read more:
Just to add onto this because some folks argue that we don’t need his backstory because we already have the essentials or it’s not really important to the plot. The thing is though is that Belos’ story launches the entire plot of the show, his character and motivation are the direct result of actions that happened centuries before the main characters were born. It needs to be depicted and not largely inferred.
His story is important to creating a more fleshed out character and can strengthen the themes of the show (the rivalry between Eda and Lilith and Luz struggling to fit in at home are parallels to Belos). Instead the show gives little kernels of his story and character that make him more interesting than just Evil Emperor (the fact that the brothers became witch hunters to fit in, the fact that Belos worst memories are of killing Caleb and making grimwalkers are never touched on again). The first (and last) time we see Caleb in a full scene is in For the Future and it has huge implications for the dynamic between the two brothers. But again, nothing is done with it. It seemed like the show was building up that Belos’ lies and self-justifications would lead to his undoing but it doesn’t. So him dying with his ideology and self-delusions intact feels empty.
The worst part of how the Wittebane story is handled is that since it’s largely inferred and you have to be pretty involved in fandom to have a more nuanced take of it, a casual fan can easily just accept other characters’ views on the matter. Masha says “looks like little bro was jealous of big bro” and it undercuts the story of the Wittebanes (to say nothing of the tonal whiplash). The Titan dismisses Belos as only caring for himself and to be the hero, which while technically true, misses a lot of context and makes it easy to dismiss Belos as a whole as simply being evil and crazy instead of a more layered villain. And it can’t be argued that these are just the characters’ perspectives and we shouldn’t take it at face value because there’s nothing really in the show to pushback against that.
Now, yes, it is fun to imagine how the Wittebane story played out and in hindsight, it’s probably better that the show didn’t depict the entire story because they probably would have botched it. But the point remains that the handling of this storyline was a mess (and don’t give me the cancellation excuse, the show learned early on about this and wrote all of 2B with it in mind). The Wittebane story and Belos as a whole showcase why setup and payoff matter. You show the villain feels guilt about their worst deeds? What’s the payoff to that? The villain was originally an outsider who tried to fit in and conformed to a town’s toxic ideologies? What’s the payoff? The villain continually lies to himself and commits atrocities to justify his actions? What’s the payoff?
If you’re going to raise interesting and thought-provoking questions then don’t give the audience a simplistic answer.
#toh critical#toh criticism#the owl house#emperor belos#philip wittebane#caleb wittebane#I don't want to hear any nonsense about belos not “deserving” a proper ending#if you spend two episodes adding new information and context#then that needs to pay off for the audience somehow#long post#post update
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How do the Mystery Twins meet the Owl House gang? I wanna know their opinions on the entire cast there, hell, I want to know their opinions on the Boiling Isles! I also want to hear any and all headcanons on how the Twins will interact with the Hexsquad (Luz, Amity, Willow, Gus (esp Gus!!!) and Hunter)!!! Feel free to use this post to rant about it. *GASP* How does the end of season 2 happen? Does the Hexsquad still get stuck on Earth with no portal???
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I can't say this enough! I love your questions!
How does the Season 2 finale happen? And how do the Mystery Twins meet the Owl House gang?
During the events of season two, Stan, Luz, King, and Eda prepare for Unity Day, and as Eda's last request, Stan stays with the Hex Squad to protect them.
After the events of the fight against Amity's mother, Alador joining the good guys' side, and Luz's capture, Stan takes the reins and leads everyone to a safe place to plan something quick
The rest of the events of the season finale occur the same, with the exception that Stan protects Luz's back and supports her, defends her and says that none of this is her fault, that helps her to deceive Belos and thus put a coven mark on him to weaken him
To make matters worse, the Collector is freed by King and although he stops Belos, he causes more chaos, Stan, seeing the door that could lead home, decides to do something to save his remaining family, ordering Hunter . Let him take everyone to the door while he is in charge of taking part of the investigation of Belos and the portals
Oh, right, and he also tries to get Luz to the door to save her from all the chaos, because he's a very protective foster father.
In the end, King pushes them both out the door and the portal, which leads directly to Ford's cabin, is destroyed, leaving the Hex Squad, Stan and Luz trapped in the human world.
There, the Mystery Twins and Ford meet the Hex Squad, and in the process, try to comfort a group of scared children, along with a very nervous Uncle Stan, eager to recreate the portal, thanks to the titan who was able to bring Belos' research with him...
The Gravity Falls Squad's opinions on the entire Hex Squad
Ford: he is not at all happy that Stanley has continued with his attempts to return to his dimension of origin, on the other hand, as soon as he saw the children injured and showing signs of exhaustion, he did not hesitate to give them a place to sleep, especially Stan, although we all know that there is too much to talk about between them
Stan: When he saw him for the first time after his appearance in the comic "A tale of two stans", he believed that it was Bill's trap, until he saw that it was indeed the real one, the next thing he knew, Stan was determined to reopening a portal, now to take those children home, he had to admit that that was something noble, but dangerous, he still thinks he is irresponsible and even an idiot, at least until he discovered that he has a magic staff and very interesting knowledge... .
Luz: reminds him a lot of Dipper and Mabel, she is a combination of both, since she is very intelligent with wild magic and is also strange, but she has a good heart, she cares a lot about her actions
Hunter: He is worried about his health, he notices how tense he is, he likes him, but he knows that he is very distrustful, apparently, he is more attached to Stan
Gus: He sees him as the weakest, yet he sees his maturity and his desire to learn about the human world, sometimes he reminds him of Stan, but he doesn't want to think about that.
Willow: Is it normal for her to be the strongest in the group? At first he thought she would be the smart girl, until he saw how she controls the magic of plants and thought a little more about it, he has his doubts about whether she is okay after these months.
Amity: he respects her, not only because of her determination, but also because she is very intelligent, although somewhat shy and clumsy at times, she reminds him of Dipper since she is very studious, it is also like seeing a small version of himself
Dipper was excited to meet his Uncle Stan in person, he didn't expect it to be so soon or with several extra guests, but when he heard that they were young witches, his desire to learn helped him interact with them naturally.
Stan: Dipper will never lie when he tells you that what he was most excited about was meeting Stan in person. When the door opened and he was finally able to talk to him, the first thing Stan said was that they needed to remake the portal to take the children. Home, since then, Dipper helps Stan with his work as best he can, while listening to his stories and adventures on the boiling islands.
Luz: he likes her, she looks a lot like Mabel, she is very kind, and being almost the same age, she is great in Dipper's words, he likes talking to her about Eda and King, he really likes hearing about that other one. world he comes from
Hunter: they are both similar, curious, they were interested in wild magic and palismans Hunter is one of the few people I would consider a "brother" or something like that, he likes to tell her what he has discovered in Gravity falls and what dreams of finding once they manage to open the portal
Gus: To be honest, Gus is like a little brother he always wanted, someone who is amazed by everything he tells him, someone who listens to him and asks him questions about his discoveries in the human world, someone who also wants to take him to carry out these types of investigations, practically, Hunter, Gus and Dipper are the trio of young investigators looking for mysteries to uncover
Willow: okay, you have to admire that this girl is the toughest of her group, in fact, Dipper openly admits that he had a slight crush on her, but like in all his few crushes, it hasn't come to anything, yes, admire Willow's strength and determination
Amity: Curiously, he likes her very much, since they are both considered the star students of their respective schools, although nowadays this is no longer the case, they understand the pressure of having to be perfect, get good grades and try to be better than the others. Furthermore, in fact, thanks to her, Dipper understood that he should not be like Ford, because that was damaging his friendship with Mabel, she is a good girl, she gives excellent advice
Mabel is the happiest to have her new friends living in the cabin, it's like having a sleepover all summer. What could be better than that?
Stan: she was the one who most wanted to have Stan at home, when he appeared with the Hex Squad, Mabel was the first to come up to hug Stanley, he is protective, responsible, to a certain extent, he keeps a good eye on all the children, he is playful and charismatic, he spends a lot of time with her and asks her for help with the portal
Luz: "She's my older sister! Say no more!" She wants to be like her when she grows up.
Hunter: "my dream boy..." She once said while smiling dumbly, she was one of the ones who helped Hunter the most, now she sees him as her best friend, although Willow fights for that position, since she also loves him a lot to Hunter "Oh my god, looks like I found a new couple to make!" He said while already making dating plans between Hunter and Willow
Gus: she loves him a lot, she plays with him at things like sleepovers and I teach him the interesting concepts of human dating and his way of courting, something tells her that Gus is very comfortable with her, and although he is just starting, he doesn't It bothers him, it's actually nice...
Willow: "And she's my other big sister!" He once said enthusiastically, "She's very strong! And very tough!" He loves playing sports with her, although he also likes to do her makeup and comb her hair.
Amity: He likes her, but since she is closer to Dipper, he doesn't talk to her much, although when he does, he loves to see her with Luz, he is very happy for the Lumity couple.
Gravity Falls Squad's opinions of The Boiling Islands!
Stan: A living hell... At least until you meet the right people...
Ford: A fascinating place But dangerous, it should not be possible to access that place, it would be best not to open more portals...
Dipper: I could have answers to many of the questions that have never been solved before... I could learn magic, real magic... I wish I lived there...
Mabel: I wanna be a witch! And do magic like Grunkle Stan!
Coming soon: headcanons about the Twins' interactions with the Hexsquad
EN ESPAÑOL
¡No me canso de decir esto! ¡Amo sus preguntas!
¿Cómo ocurre el final de la temporada 2? Y ¿Cómo conocen los Mystery Twins a la pandilla Owl House?
Durante los eventos de la segunda temporada, Stan, Luz, King y Eda se preparan para el día de la unidad, y como última petición de Eda, Stan se queda con el Hex Squad para protegerlos
Después suceden los eventos de la pelea contra la madre de Amity, Alador uniéndose al bando de los buenos y la captura de Luz, lo que hace que Stan tome las riendas y dirige a todos a un lugar seguro para planear algo rápido
Los demás hechos del final de temporada ocurren igual, con la excepción de que Stan protege la espalda de Luz y la respalda, la defiende y dice que nada de esto es su culpa, eso la ayuda para engañar a Belos y así ponerle una marca de aquelarre para debilitarlo
Para empeorar las cosas, el coleccionista es liberado por King y, aunque detiene a Belos, causa más caos, Stan, al ver la puerta que podría llevarlo a casa, decide hacer algo para salvar a la familia que le queda, le ordena a Hunter que lleve a todos a la puerta mientras el se encarga de llevarse parte de la investigación de Belos y los portales
Ah, claro, y también trata de llevar a Luz a la puerta para salvarla de todo el caos, porque es un padre postizo muy protector
Al final, King los empuja a ambos por la puerta y el portal, que da directamente a la cabaña de Ford, se destruye, dejando al Hex Squad, a Stan y a Luz atrapados en el mundo humano
Ahí, los gemelos misterio y Ford conocen al Hex Squad, y de paso, tratan de consolar a un grupo de niños asustados, junto a un tío Stan muy nervioso y ansioso por recrear el portal, gracias al titán que pudo traer las investigaciones de Belos consigo...
Las opiniones del Gravity Falls Squad sobre todo el Hex Squad
Ford no está nada feliz con que Stanley haya seguido con sus intentos de volver a su dimensión de origen, por otro lado, apenas vio a los niños heridos y con señales de agotamiento, no dudo en darles un lugar donde dormir, en especial a Stan, aunque todos sabemos que entre ellos hay demasiado de que hablar
Stan: cuando lo vio por primera vez después de su aparición en el cómic "A tale of two stans", creyó que era una trampa de Bill, hasta que vio que efectivamente era el verdadero, lo siguiente que supo es que Stan estaba decidido a reabrir un portal, ahora para llevar a esos niños a casa, debia admitir que eso era algo noble, Pero peligroso, sigue pensando que es irresponsable y hasta un idiota, al menos hasta que descubrió que tiene un bastón mágico y conocimientos muy interesantes...
Luz: le recuerda mucho a Dipper y a Mabel, es una combinación de ambos, Pero tiene un buen corazón, le preocupa que ella esté más interesada en el bien de todos, sin importar las consecuencias a largo plazo
Hunter: está preocupado por su salud, nota lo tenso que está, le agrada, pero sabe que es muy desconfiado, aparentemente, está más apegado a Stan
Gus: lo ve como el más débil, aún así, ve su madurez y su deseo de aprender sobre el mundo humano, a veces le recuerda a Stan, pero no quiere pensar en eso ....
Willow: ¿Es normal que ella sea la más fuerte del grupo? Primero pensó que sería la chica inteligente, hasta que vio como controla la magia de las plantas y reflexionó un poco más al respecto, tiene sus dudas sobre si ella está bien después de estos meses
Amity: la respeta, no solo por su determinación, sino también porque es muy inteligente, aunque algo tímida y torpe en ocasiones, le recuerda a Dipper ya que es muy estudiosa, también es como ver una versión pequeña de si mismo
Dipper estaba emocionado de conocer a su tío Stan en persona, no esperaba que fuera tan pronto ni con varios invitados extra, pero cuando escucho que eran jóvenes brujas, su deseo de aprender lo ayudo a interactuar con ellos con naturalidad
Stan: Dipper nunca mentira cuando te diga que lo que más le emocionaba era conocer a Stan en persona, cuando la puerta se abrió y por fin pudo hablar con el, lo primero que Stan dijo fue que necesitaban rehacer el portal para llevar a los niños a casa, desde entonces, Dipper ayuda como puede a Stan con su trabajo, mientras escucha sus historias y aventuras en las islas hirvientes
Luz: le agrada, se parece mucho a Mabel, ella es muy amable, y al ser casi de la misma edad, ella es genial a palabras de Dipper, le gusta hablar con ella de Eda y King, le gusta mucho escuchar de ese otro mundo del que viene
Hunter: ambos son similares, curiosos, se interesaron en la magia salvaje y en los palisman/taliamigos, Hunter es de las pocas personas que consideraría como "hermano" o algo así, le gusta contarle lo que ha descubierto en Gravity falls y lo que sueña encontrar una vez que logren abrir el portal
Gus: para ser sincero, Gus es como un hermano pequeño que siempre quiso, alguien que se asombre con todo lo que él le cuenta, alguien que lo escuche y le haga preguntas sobre sus descubrimientos en el mundo humano, alguien que también quiere llevar a cabo ese tipo de investigaciones, prácticamente, Hunter, Gus y Dipper son el trío de investigadores jóvenes que buscan misterios que descubrir
Willow: okey, hay que admirar que está chica sea la más ruda de su grupo, de hecho, Dipper admite abiertamente que sintio un leve enamoramiento por ella, Pero como en todos sus pocos enamoramientos, no ha llegado a nada, eso sí, admira la fuerza de Willow y su determinación
Amity: curiosamente, le cae muy bien, ya que ambos son considerados los alumnos estrella de sus escuelas respectivas, aunque en la actualidad ya no se así, entienden la presión de tener que ser perfectos, sacar buenas notas y tratar de ser mejores que los demás, de hecho, gracias a ella, Dipper entendió que no debía ser como Ford, porque eso estaba dañando su amistad con Mabel, es una buena chica, da excelentes consejos
Mabel es la que más se alegra de tener a sus nuevos amigos viviendo en la cabaña, es como tener una pijamada en todo el verano ¿Que mejor que eso?
Stan: ella fue quien más quiso tener a Stan en casa, cuando esté apareció con el Hex Squad, Mabel fue la primera en acercarse a abrazar a Stanley, el es protector, responsable, hasta cierto punto, vigila bien a todos los niños, es juguetón y carismático, pasa mucho tiempo con ella y le pide ayuda con el portal
Luz: "¡Es mi hermana mayor! ¡No sé diga más!" Quiere ser como ella cuando crezca
Hunter: "mi chico de ensueño..." Dijo una vez mientras sonreía embobada, ella fue de las que más ayudaron a Hunter, ahora lo ve como su mejor amigo, aunque ese puesto se lo pelea Willow, ya que ella también quiere mucho a Hunter "¡Oh por dios, parece que encontré a una nueva pareja que formar!" Dijo mientras ya hacía planes de citas entre Hunter y Willow
Gus: lo quiere mucho, juega con el a cosas como las pijamadas y le enseño los interesantes conceptos de las citas humanas y su manera de cortejar, algo le dice que Gus está muy a gusto junto a ella, y aunque apenas está comenzando, no le molesta, es agradable de hecho...
Willow: "¡Y ella es mi otra hermana mayor!" Dijo una vez con entusiasmo "¡Es muy fuerte! ¡Y muy ruda!" Le encanta hacer deporte con ella, aunque también le gusta maquillarla y peinar su cabello
Amity: le cae bien, pero como es más cercana a Dipper, no habla mucho con ella, aunque cuando lo hace, le encanta verla junto a Luz, está muy feliz por la pareja Lumity
¡Opinión del Gravity falls Squad sobre Las islas hirvientes!
Stan: un infierno en vida... Al menos hasta que conoces a las personas adecuadas...
Ford: un lugar fascinante Pero peligroso, no debería de ser posible acceder a ese lugar, lo más recomendable sería no abrir más portales...
Dipper: podría tener respuestas a muchas de las preguntas que jamás se han resuelto antes... Podría aprender magia, magia real... Desearía vivir allí ...
Mabel: ¡Quiero ser una bruja! ¡Y hacer magia como el tío Stan!
próximamente: headcanons sobre las interacciones entre los Gemelos con el Hexsquad
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Ever wonder what would've happened if The Owl house aired in 2013?
That's right.
We would have had an OWLSTUCK.
They would've been rendered accordingly and there would've been a short-lived comic spoken of fondly by both fanbases.
Anyway here are some kids and their classpects.
Luz Noceda - Page of Light. Duh. Most obvious one on this list. You *could* make a very strong argument for Page of Hope too, but aside from her name literally BEING Light, I think it fits a bit more. Too bad you can't multi-aspect. Though let's be real, if anybody COULD, it would be Luz Noceda, so who knows, maybe that's her special Snest (in-world Sburb variant) given gift.
Amity Blight - Witch of Breath. Breath is a lot to do with one's self in the sense of self-actualization and understanding. She needed a lil help getting there but I feel Amity fits this quite well!
Willow Park - Mage of Life. In Homestuck, Life as an aspect is most closely tied to healing, but it can also be quite literal, as we do see Life aspected characters resurrect dead friends. I think if any aspect would allow one to wield life in the most literal sense via battle plants, it'd be, well, Life!
Gus Porter - Seer of Mind. This is a class and aspect wombo combo that fits him to a goddamn T. He's far sharper about others thoughts and natures than people think, including himself. Learning to trust in his intuition is his arc. He has a pretty good grasp of others, even if he does tend to try to focus more on the good bits than the bad, even when the latter may be pertinent.
King Clawthorne - Prince of Blood. Literal royalty in name and nature, with the Blood of the Titan running through his veins whether he realizes it or not. A Prince is an active destructive class with incredible offensive capability, one that destroys its aspect or through it, in this case, Blood. As a Titan, that potential is there for King. But we know the little guy wouldn't use it unless he had to. Right?
Hunter - Heir of Time. Of all the characters, no one fits the aspect of Time better than Hunter given his relations and just how many of him have existed throughout the ages. And as for Heir, I mean, could it be any more obvious?
Vee - Sylph of Space. Conceptually, Space means a lot of things in Homestuck, and is seen by the fandom as one of the "fundamental" aspects. A common theory is no game has a potential to win without both a Space and Time player. But one thing Space represents is Form and Boundary. It is the amorphous stage the play of reality is set upon. What better for a shapeshifter? Sylphs are essentially a Healer class.
Masha - Rogue of Doom. A Thief steals for their own benefit, and a Rogue for the benefit of others. Masha Stole Doom from the entirety of her Reality Check Summer Camp crew, *especially* Vee, giving her her very first friend, potential crush, and a new home and lease on life.
The Collector - Lord of Void. He is Everything and Nothing and can create or uncreate both at will. The Lord embodies their aspect to the absolute. They are a Master class, all-powerful and uncontested in their domain. He is a leftover from a previous game of Snest, one played between just two people, the other, of course, being...
Papa Titan - Muse of Life. We've never seen an adult play any variant of Sburb. But to deal with the Collector and his games, I think he may have had no choice. A Muse, too, is a Master Class, but far more passive. The Titan is how all life in the Demon Realm exists. The Titan *is* the Isles. How much more Life-aligned can you be? And as effectively just a corpse at this point, obviously, he's pretty passive.
Emperor Belos - Knight of Rage. A perfect mastery of his aspect to both directly harm and to manipulate, a truly terrifying foe. Again, adults aren't normally players, but, you better believe he's the reason this whole damn apocalypse happened in the first place.
Boom wrote that up in like 20 minutes, welcome to my special hell.
If by chance somebody actually *likes* this and wants more for some godforsaken reason, I'll give the kids a strife specibus too.
#Toast Talks#The Owl House#TOH#Homestuck#Sburb#Owlstuck#Snest#Hexsquad#The Hexsquad#Papa Titan#TOH Collector#King Clawthorne#Classpecting
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Thoughts on this analysis of Odalia possibly being physically abusive to her kids?
https://old.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/1b8cxqf/the_case_that_odalia_was_physically_abusive_to/
One of the easiest ways to spot bad character analysis is when someone won't talk about context. Literally NONE of these scenes are actually gotten into depth with. It's entirely body language... Without why that body language might be provoked. They gloss over it much of the time.
Their second example with Luz is a really easy one for this. They talk about her acting scared, upset and bracing for the worst... When she literally just erased someone's mind. They acknowledge Amity knows she fucked up but then don't act like that has any bearing on her behavior. She's FOURTEEN. The main reactions to being outed for a fuck up at that age is extreme denial or panic. This is where you get teenagers who have perfectly reasonable parents losing their minds when they make a major fuck up, or a minor one because HEY! getting into trouble sucks. I still remember some dumbass hitting the side of my car in the school parking lot and hating having to call my dad and tell him it had happened when it wasn't my fault even because I knew it was still a problem and my parents have never physically hurt me.
Literally all of these are exactly like this. She's already stressed out with Willow and someone getting in your face while acting aggressive is, I dunno, maybe enough to trigger a bit of fight or flight because by all means, they seem ready to fight. Amity was not happy with Luz in the Adventure in the Elements and is still a very guarded person mostly at that point so is probably not comfortable with Luz getting into her personal bubble (which btw, they fail to mention that Luz leans in at the point they're mentioning, which makes Amity backing away actually just a natural back and forth for this sort of exchange). The fucking Hunter fight has them ignoring how calm and collected Amity was as she smoothly punches Hunter in the face and then they act like bracing for a blow, in a FIGHT, is unreasonable? Like there's a difference between "I have these barriers to protect me" and "Something is coming straight for my face and I can't stop it." That's going to garner a different reaction but they don't give a shit.
They're looking to prove a hypothesis, not using the hypothesis as a question. This is most bad analysis and a LOT of analysis I see in the TOH fandom. It only proves their point, not the whole picture. I mean, this person fucks that up in their FIRST POINT. Amity doesn't normally do the presentations after all. Explicitly in that episode, it's a deal she's made because she's been fucking up. The punishment wasn't getting physically abused... It was you need to work a night helping out at the family business because we need an extra body. There's no sign of pain in anything that she is presented to be doing and the attempt to go "Yeah, she would have totally put her daughter in the same sort of harm as someone she actively wants DEAD" is pretty laughable. But again: They aren't including context for a reason.
Context should reinforce your point. For the point they're making specifically, it should make these reactions appear entirely egregious. It should not provide a reasonable explanation every single god damn time. The only one I can't explain is Edric ending up more hurt but even they admit that Edric has a penchant for that. Not only that but he has dirt on him. Literal dirt which isn't there at the factory, making me think he tried to get out and potentially face planted before the scout and abomaton guarding the house escorted him back to his room. That's about as reasonable a situation as they present and also helps explain why ONLY Edric is hurt because if him being hurt was a punishment from Odalia for this, why is it ONLY Edric?
This sort of very simple, obvious sort of contradiction that makes clear how much of their argument is conjecture is why I decided to respond. This wants to look like good analysis. It has a lot of evidence after all, or at least looks like it does. However, it's evidence that only works as presented and doesn't hold up to scrutiny at all. It only works if you already agree with the conclusion and are just looking for something that makes your version of reality appear more reasonable. If you have a conclusion and are trying to make it fact.
Unfortunately for them, analysis starts with a question so this hardly qualifies because it screwed up step one and you can see the cracks from that flow all the way through.
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Why Tang Shen is soo interesting to me
Okay with all the Nameless Trio content I’ve been posting I feel the need to let you guys know why I find Shen so interesting. This may be a long one but I have LOTS of thoughts so please hang tight.
“If we interfere Splinter will never move to New York and buy four baby turtles”
Donnie in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012) S3 E19
First of all Shen is literally the reason the story happens in most iterations. If it weren’t for her death, Hamato Yoshi likely never would’ve moved to New York, never bought the turtles, and they never would’ve gotten mutated. Without her there’d be no story. And yet she’s barely ever mentioned in canon.
Now I could talk for ages about fridging women and why it’s a stupid out-dated, over-used, misogynistic trope. And I’m not even going to pretend that’s not what happened to her. But one of the main problems with fridging is the fact that after the woman’s death sets the plot into motion (usually for some sort of love interest) she’s eventually forgotten by the plot. Women in fiction deserve better treatment than that. Real women deserve better representation than that.
However there’s another way that characters who die before the story starts can be utilized. One that I’m absolutely OBSESSED with. And that is the idea of haunting the narrative. Two of the best examples that I can think of are Mara from She-Ra and Caleb Wittenbane from the Owl House. Both characters are dead before the series begins. For a while the only way that we know about them is through what the other characters tell us. And, of course, this is a very biased view of the person. Sometimes it’s very one dimensional.
But even though we know almost nothing about them, they linger. They are everywhere in the story. So many things only happen because of them. Memories of Caleb are everywhere in Phillip’s mindscape. Hunter’s entire life is dictated by the memory of a man who died hundreds of years ago. And even the door, the things that brings Luz the the Boiling Isles and sets the whole story into motion only is opened for her because Caleb stole it from Belos and buried it in the backyard of his family home. We don’t know much about Mara but we know that Adora is in a way doomed to follow in her footsteps.
“In every other universe Gwen Stacy falls for Spider-Man. And in every other universe…it doesn’t end well.”
Spider-Gwen in Across the Spider-Verse (2023)
So we’ve talked about out-of-universe stuff. But what about what’s in the actual story? Due to the crossovers we know that all the iterations of TMNT sort of exist in the same way all the universes exist in the Spider-Verse world. They all have their own dimension. I can’t help but think of the parallels not only between the worlds but the characters who live within them. Gwen Stacy dies in every universe but one. She knows this. Unfortunately, the universe where she survives isn’t exactly kind to her. She loses her best friend. She loses Miles. She loses her father. She loses any chance at having a normal life.
In 2012 the turtles have a conversation with Shen where she is trying to pick between Oroku Saki and Hamato Yoshi. Of course they don’t know this at the time, but one of the choices will lead to her death. However, it will also lead to the world being saved from a variety of threats. But what if she did know? What if Shen knew that she would be sacrificing herself? What if she knew that in every other universe she was doomed to die? In every universe but one, that is.
Tang Shen is never said to be dead in ROTTMNT. But we only see her once in a movie poster. We know she exists but she has no relevance. As far as we know, she’s out there living her best life. So what is she like? What would a person be like in the one universe where she gets to live?
I really hope this wasn’t too long but thank you so much for reading this whole thing! If you want some content about Rise!Shen then visit the Nameless Trio tag on my blog, she’s one of the three main characters in that au.
#rottmnt#rise of the tmnt#rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles#tmnt#teenage mutant ninja turtles#nameless trio#rise shen#rise tang shen#2012 tang shen#2003 tang shen#tang shen
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Super indulgent too. The previous asks have awakened something feral.
But, what if Amity & Lilith do manage to get away with Hunter before Belos also offs him??? And maybe Luz stays longer in the in between with Papa Titan as they come up with a plan to destroy Belos. In that time, Belos brands Hunter, Amity, and Lilith as traitors and accuse them of having killed the princess. Then, Luz comes back epic style with titan powers, obliterates Belos, and takes back the throne. Now a grief stricken Hunter/Amity/Lilith see Luz with kickass titan powers and don’t think it’s her because OBVIOUSLY she died and they did see her dead. It’s only when she ends up saying something that only Hunter can know that they’re convinced and all like wtf happened. While at the same time Luz doesn’t want to reveal the grimwalker secret and Hunter can only keep guessing what happened to her while with Belos.
WOOOOO yeah sure. we can leave the characters crazed with grief for a little longer :)
the initial question is "where would they go," but given that lilith is with them, i think the Clear Answer is the owl house.
really i think the biggest obstacle here wouldn't even be the empire, it would just be hunter himself. he'd want to drag himself back to the castle and finish what he started. aka get himself killed. he has no expectation that he can Actually kill belos
i was trying to figure out what, if anything, could dissuade him from this path. and my main thought is that after a lot of exasperation on lilith's part and being corralled on hooty's, amity finally shouts, "she FUCKING DIED FOR YOU and you're just going to THROW IT AWAY???"
amity's sense of righteous fury is So Strong here. SHE wouldn't throw away a sacrifice like that. or at least she likes to think she wouldn't. that hunter doesn't seem to Care what luz did just makes the entire thing seem even more senseless.
and hunter just kind of. shatters. sinks onto the floor with his head in his hands like, "i can't do this, blight. i get it, i do, i'm hearing you, you think i have options but i'm telling you, i Can't Do This. i Have to keep moving or i--"
and then amity summons a weighted abomination blanket and goes over and wraps it around him. and he doesn't fight her or snap at her. despite his apparent determination not to stay still for more than, like, thirty seconds at a time.
& amity is just like, "okay. you can't do this. i hear you. but, also. you're Gonna Have To."
#amity is not even REMOTELY equipped to deal with this but hey. at least making hunter suffer is already her MO. she doesnt feel bad <-lying#and luz would be Extremely Fucking Grateful for it.#woooooo make everyone miserable ASMR.....#replies#toh#princess luz au#princess luz au titan timeline#and who is that other witch#horrible mindscape trauma pals#shitty idiot repression gang#hunter toh#amity blight#grief#angst#suicidal ideation#temporary character death
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Emperor’s Ball AU!
Also posted on my AO3 account, Kittimoonshadow
AU where the rebels used Willow to bait Hunter from duties so they could be rebellious!
Enjoy!
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TIME ZONE: BETWEEN HUNTING PALISMAN AND HOLLOW MIND.
THIRD POV: Willow
The school bell rang for the end of the day at hexside. Willow, Luz, Gus and Amity walked out of school together giggling.
“Tonight is the emperor’s ball.” Luz started. “It’s the only time that The Emperor’s chamber is unguarded by proper officials, such as the Golden Guard.”
Amity, Willow and Gus nodded.
“The only problem is, Luz, is that that is only true when he has a date to the dance.” Amity explained. “Leading a rebel mission would be useless as any other time.”
Luz thought for a moment. Then she began to speak, “Who would want to be the date for him? He probably has people all over the isles wanting to be his date to the dance, but we need to know this person and they have to be on our side so that we can make sure we aren’t caught.”
Gus looked in Willow’s direction way too quickly. Willow glared at Gus.
“No. Not happening.” she mouthed. Gus glared at her. This went on for about five minutes as Luz and Amity were brainstorming.
“What about Willow?’ Luz blurted out. This caught Willow off guard. She whipped her head around to face the duo, eyes like daggers.
“I am not going with him. I- I don’t know if i can trust him!” she stammered.
This was a complete lie. She wanted to go with him and was currently trying to get rid of this little developing crush she had, knowing it would be problematic. She wanted to but didn’t because she also hated the fact she thought he was kind.
“But Willlowwww… we need someone to do this and we know he’s got a soft spot for you out of all of the rebels. I don’t think he even knows you are one!”
Willow looked at the pleading faces of her friends. She sighed.
“O-ok.” she gave in pretty quickly. “I’ll ask him to the dance.”
Willow looked at the clock. 3:30. She grabbed her scroll and opened Penstagram.
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ABOUT 2:15PM: THIRD POV: Hunter
Hunter looked at his scroll and then back at himself in the mirror over many times, deciding if he should ask Willow to the dance. She’d probably say no… but then again what if she didn’t and he got to go to the dance with her? He shook his head. Darius barged into his room unannounced and saw Hunter looking at himself in the mirror.
“So.. Little Prince, who’s getting asked to the ball?” Darius asked. But it didn’t take a genius to figure it out. That one girl he’d played flyer derby with that he liked all the Penstagram posts of.
“Uhm. Captain Willow Park would be a suitable choice for-”
“And how will Belos react when you bring a civilian to the dance. I know you are in love with her but…”
Hunter pulled an Amity. He scoffed. “I am not in love with her. Whatever that means.” Darius raised an eyebrow and rolled his eyes.
“Don’t you think she’s very pretty, Little Prince?” Darius began, internally hoping he wasn’t about to get another monologue on how amazing Captain Willow Park was.
“Well yes, Captain is-”
“Nope.” Darius put his finger on the blondie’s mouth. “Shh.”
“Well, how am I going to ask her?” the golden boy stubbornly asked. Darius sighed exaggeratedly.
“In person, of course.”
Hunter blushed at the idea.
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AROUND 2:45PM
Hunter nervously put on his formal suit, hoping he wouldn’t have to do his duty tonight and Willow would say yes.
“Should I bring flowers?” Hunter asked. “No, wait, she’s a plant witch. It’s stupid.”
“No, of course you should. Always do that when asking a girl to dance.” Darius informed him. “It’s common courtesy.”
Hunter nodded. He looked outside the window, staring into the direction of Bonesborough. He then looked at his Golden Guard mask, suddenly having the feeling to regret everything he was about to do.
“Um, on second thought this may not be a great idea.” he spluttered. “Why would she ever want to go to a dance with me? A-and what about her dads? They’ll hate me.”
Darius rolled his eyes and decided to just let Hunter ramble. The list of why he shouldn’t do this went on for ten minutes somehow, before the Golden boy ran out of ideas.
“How about you say why you should do it?” Darius suggested. Hunter looked at Darius as if that was the most despicable suggestion.
“Wha-what- wha is there?! She’s so-”
And then Darius endured a five minute monologue of Willow’s amazing qualities and another five minute monologue on how horrible he was compared to her.
“Oh just shut your trap, will you? Just do it. Now let’s get to Bonesborough so we can pick out some flowers.
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AROUND 3:20
Hunter looked at the wide variety of flowers that laid before him. Many colours, kinds, breeds and shapes. Then one caught his eye. He gasped.
“What are those?” He pointed to some yellow flowers that looked a bit like roses. Darius took a thorough look at the label.
“It appears to be something called a Fangnunclawlus.” Daries huffed. “‘Meaning: happiness, joy and positive feelings.’”
(Ranunculus/Persian Buttercup)
Darius refrained himself from saying the next part. He did not want to spend five hours looking for flowers that didn’t have a love meaning.
“Perfect!” Hunter smiled. Darius caught himself admiring the boy’s happiness. He shook it off. He didn’t care about Hunter’s little girlfriend crisis! That’s Belos’s problem!
Hunter had been to Willow’s house before and knew where it was and what it looked like. He walked around to it and stopped in front of it, putting his mask on and holding his Fangnunclawlus Bouquet in both hands. He took a deep breath in.
“Darius you know I’m having second- no third- or fourth thoughts about this, how about we- Darius what are you-”
Hunter didn’t have time to speak as Darius grabbed him and dragged him to the front door, knocking on it himself.
Oh Titan.
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SAME TIME CORRELATION: THIRD POV: Primarily Willow and Hunter
A knock sounded at the door just as Willow went to pick up her scroll. Her dads were in the garden so she called out to them and went to open the door. She unlocked the rigid wooden door that needed to be replaced and opened it only to be greeted with the mask of no one other than the Golden Guard and Sir Darius Deamonne.
“What are you guys doing here?” she asked, stunned by their sudden visit.
“Sir Golden Guard! Sir Deamonne! How can we help you?” Gilbert asked, nearly scaring the living daylights out of his daughter. She turned to her dads and then back to the two high persons.
Darius sighed before speaking. “The Golden Guard wants to ask something.”
Hunter squeaked.
Willow’s head tilted slightly, but not before catching a glimpse of flowers behind the boy’s back.
Darius groaned. “He wants to know if…” and he pushed Hunter towards the Parks’, nearly having him topple over. He was frozen. What should he do?!
“Uh- Willow- me- uh- the ball, maybe? I don’t know this was a bad idea, I’ll just be going now!” he started before Darius grabbed him by the shoulders, turning him back to his plant girl and her parents.
“He would like to know if your daughter would go to the Emperor’s Ball with him. Have no worries on age, he is 16. And I’m pretty sure he has a-”
“YES THAT IS ALL THANK YOU DARIUS.” Hunter spoke loudly. He shoved the flowers into Willow’s chest aggressively, although of course it did not concern her in the slightest.
“I got them for you if you want them.” he stuttered. Willow was too stunned to speak. She wanted to say yes, but what about her dads?
“Well Willow?” Gilbert asked. She turned around.
“You’re going to let me?” she asked. Gilbert nodded.
“I think you will be in good hands with the emperor.”
Willow nodded. She texted her friends:
HELLO_WILLOW
Time to be rebels 👍
BADGIRLCOVEN
YESSS WILLOWWWW 😁
WITCHCHICK128
Awesome work Willow!
ILLUSIONS.GUS92
I have to give you credit Willow. I didn’t think you’d pull it off. Hunter’s a pain.
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Meanwhile on the other side of the screen, Willow cursed herself for what she was about to do.
PART 2 COMING SOON!
And by soon I mean after January 20 because I’m going out of the country! (No internet lmao)
#hunter toh#hunter deamonne#hunter noceda#hunter wittebane#the owl house#toh#dana terrace#huntlow#willow park#winter#winter TOH#Huntlow au#darius deamonne#toh darius#Darius TOH#dadrius#the owl house au#amity blight#amity TOH#TOH amity#Gus TOH#TOH Gus#Gus porter#Augustus porter#luz noceda#luz toh#the owl house luz#TOH Luz#hunter the owl house#gilbert and harvey
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This is related to my headcanon that hexsquad as a whole would really struggle with having so called Normal friendship boundaries after going through All That together. So much bad stuff came of them not sharing secrets with each other and they became so dependent on each other than i think their friendgroup dynamic would be a bit unhinged probably forever. BUT THATS OK (2/2)
YES YES YES I too have thoughts about those kids being really weird about each other after being traumatized as brothers in arms.
I focus mainly on Willow, Hunter and Gus because they often seemed to live in their own little world that was slightly detached from Luz, Amity and Vee. From the events of LR, the week between then and COTH and what happened in FTF, I see the three of them as having this very intense rapport.
After the events of the WAD, while they're attempting to adjust to being home again after everything, I imagine that they get separation anxiety when they're apart for too long. They can't really describe why they feel that way but it's nasty. Unable to sleep. Panic attacks. Basically they have to be joined at the hip for months afterwards as each others comfort people while they work through stuff in therapy.
It's Hunter that is the most sought after source of comfort for both Willow and Gus. Darius thought he just had to take care of one traumatized teenager but then two other sopping wet cat looking children start appearing at his front door at 3am in their pajamas like "Can we see Hunter please? 🥺👉👈" And then they don't even want to talk to him. They just lay down in close proximity to him and they conk right out.
And then he has to make some phone calls to frightened fathers to explain the whereabouts of their missing children.
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I saw people complain that Belos didn’t see Caleb’s ghost one last time during his death, and now that I’ve really thought about it in hindsight… I don’t think the ghost sequence in For the Future was meant to set up some sort of epiphany or something like that for Belos; Rather, it was THE conclusion to his twisted little storyline involving Caleb and the Grimwalkers.
I think what happened was that in earlier drafts for Belos’ death, the writers considered having Caleb and the Grimwalkers appear, but then they decided that they wanted the scene’s focus to be between Luz and Belos; This is the series finale, it’s Luz’s triumph against Belos first and foremost, and that of the friends and family she’s made (people Belos looks down upon).
But the writers still wanted a final bit between Belos and the ghosts, so they moved it to For the Future, another time we see him dying at a low point; There’s no other part of Watching and Dreaming this would fit, not even the sequence when Belos possesses the heart, since at that moment he’s convinced he’s nearing a narrow but certain victory.
So Belos all by his lonesome with only his dark thoughts to keep him company, falling apart, dragging himself as he’s desperately trying to figure something out? That happens in For the Future, so the ‘ghosts’ happen in that episode. Apparently some color references refer to these ghosts as illusions, which points fairly solidly towards the interpretation that it’s all in Belos’ delirious head.
And I think it makes sense that it’s the end; Not only are we accounting for how a lot had to be crammed in, but I feel it’s symbolic. After being rejected by Hunter, the big culmination of Hunter’s conflict against his uncle, Belos comes crawling back to all of the other Grimwalkers. It’s that same memory of Caleb and his clones he’s chasing, he tries to inhabit another grimwalker, one last time…
But it fails; The grimwalkers are done with Belos, because Hunter finally stood up to him in the previous episode and broke the cycle. Belos can’t continue it anymore, despite his final effort to resuscitate this thread of his life; He is rejected both mentally and now physically by the clones. So in the end, Belos leaves it all behind. After being forced to suffer in the culmination of his failure with Caleb, it rejects him one final time. And by that point, Belos has gotten the hint, he can’t go back to that anymore.
So he finally let go; He moves on, he abandons it behind in the Titan’s skull. It was never about Caleb, it all circled back to Philip and what he wanted and expected of his brother, rather than actual, unconditional love. Belos has dedicated his centuries to two things, saving Caleb and slaying the witches… And now he’s forced to reconcile with the fact that Caleb is a lost cause when the last Grimwalker fails, so all Belos has left is his murder, his vengeance. And he casts aside this last thread to pursue that ultimate goal.
Plus, Belos’ relatively subdued reaction, as people pointed out, indicate he’s been experiencing this for a while now; And he hadn’t changed then, so why would he change now, from an in-universe standpoint? And I suppose a Doylist one, too. The fact that the ghosts were given their own separate scene also means the writers could focus on Belos and the Grimwalkers without worrying about other characters present, which gives us a longer sequence than a brief cameo at the end.
A lot of people insisted they just wanted a final acknowledgment of Caleb by Belos, anything at all, in the finale… But I think we DID get a final haunting, it just had to be pushed back into the penultimate episode instead, especially to make room for Luz. Whom I must remind you is the main protagonist, for whom this entire story begins and ultimately comes back to. As a contrast to Belos, who acts entitled to this assumption for himself, his motives ultimately boil down into thinking he’s the main hero. But it’s Luz, who learns to let go of that sort of pride, and healthily engage with her own story, in her own way.
And before people complain that Kikimora and Boscha took time away from Belos (whose Caleb story would still end in For the Future with or without them), I should remind y’all that there are actually plenty of reasons for that subplot; For starters, the Hexside situation follows through on the setup of Hunter telling the students about Belos’ plan in Labyrinth Runners, so something actually comes of that. A bunch of unruly kids being in charge, with an adult preying on the leader, is a parallel to the Collector’s situation.
Conflict with Boscha and Kikimora create a low point for Luz and Willow to be frustrated over, providing an opportunity for their loved ones to step in and make a breakthrough, thereby contributing to Luz and Willow’s growth. Hunter gets to develop a relationship that is healthy to him, helping him move on from his abuser.
Boscha being an antagonist leads to a wonderful scene in which she and Willow are paralleled, which of course contributes to Willow’s arc. And this is speculative, but this plot seems to be the remnants of an original plan for Boscha and Kikimora’s arcs that unfortunately had to be trimmed down thanks to the shortening; Kikimora especially, since she’s set up in the S2 intro as being on the same level/significance as Lilith and Hunter, and was likely intended to be until the shortening.
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What did you think of Season 3 and its episodes? Also, do you think fans who weren't satisfied with Belos, Caleb, or Wittewife being ungrateful? I saw on Twitter that people who are upset are because Philip, Caleb, and Wittewife got more compared to other characters. Also that we didn't need to see a flashback because we already know from the Hollow Mind portraits what happened. Finally, what do you think of the Wittewife interpretations? How do you interpret her?
Get ready, because you’re in for a doozy of a rant, because Season Three was full of mixed feelings for me.
Thanks To Them:
I loved TTT because it felt incredibly suspenseful and horrifying to watch Luz and Hunter search for Philip. The exploration of Hunter’s personality and interests are heartwarming, and I can completely relate to him about wolves. It’s also interesting to see the ways Hunter grows and reacts to his Grimwalker situation and the similarities between him and Caleb.
Masha was obviously amazing, and I loved their depiction of the Wittebane Brothers’ Tale. I did notice that the local legend supposedly took place about twenty years before Gravesfield was reported to have been founded on the sign. That may be a sign that their story was incorrect, but who knows.
What really interested me was the implications of the story. Philip was an orphan with very little connection to his parents due to losing them when he was very young. Clearly, he was heavily dependent upon Caleb for his sense of safety and security, as well as his stable point to interact with the world. With Caleb leaving with Evelyn, Philip must have been left traumatized and terrified.
And Caleb…If Evelyn truly wasn’t evil, then he abandoned his brother by choice. It doesn’t really matter if he thought he’d be better off. His brother needed him, and he left.
Evelyn shares less of the blame, in my opinion, because Caleb might not have mentioned that he was an older brother or spoken of Philip. I tend to imagine her as a kind but spirited person who likely made Caleb realize there was more to life than the strict rules of Puritan society. She would likely have been a friend before they became lovers.
With that analysis done, I’ll get back to TTT.
During the possession scene, I was pretty conflicted. The animation was beautiful, and the voice acting was amazing. But I feel like it was needlessly cruel to Hunter to possess him, scar him for life, kill his therapy animal, and re-grow his hair so that he looked like his Ortet when his whole arc was about becoming his own person and learning he is not Caleb. Additionally, I’m mildly bothered by the writers making him want to carve palismen like Caleb when he had already demonstrated interest in sewing.
For The Future:
Philip’s travels were so interesting. It was horrific to watch him slowly fall apart as he desperately searched for a new body, even possessing an unfinished grimwalker to try to do the job. Some story boards and behind the scenes content revealed that Caleb and the Golden Guard ghosts were, in fact, hallucinations.
This was extremely impactful to me because it indicates that Philip had some inkling that what he’s doing is wrong, but he has fallen into the sink cost fallacy: the idea that something can’t be wrong because you invested so much time, energy, and resources into it. To put it simply, his guilt is driving him mad, but he has to continue because he knows there is no redemption for him.
New Hexside was okay. It was mildly annoying due to the change in tone feeling forced and disrupting compared to the extremely serious tone of Philip’s section. It was cool to see the way society had turned out for those who survived. I adore that it was an absolute mess, because it’s incredibly accurate for something run by teenagers.
I disliked the bit with Kikimora because it felt like a retcon of her arc in Kings Tide. She had been so obsessed with pleasing and serving someone in the pursuit of approval and greater power that she forgot she was also in danger from her hero’s plans. To restate it a way I’ve heard, “she was so focused on the boot she had on others’ necks that she didn’t notice the one on her own.” It was very gratifying to see her get retribution against Philip and play a part in saving the Isles. So FTF felt like a backslide to her.
Boscha was an interesting parallel to Philip in feeling abandoned by someone she cared about. So she attempted to force that person to stay. However, she is able to move on and accept that things have changed. It’s what would have happened if Philip had been able to let go, and I like that.
Willow’s breakdown was understandable, but not handled the best, and I dislike that she was “saved” when she doesn’t really like that sort of thing. It would have been better if Hunter and Gus had talked to her and let her slowly unload her feelings instead of being “saved” by Hunter.
I also dislike where their arcs end with them holding pinkies. Don’t get me wrong, I think that Huntlow is adorable and has a lot of potential. I just think that should be dealt with after they are more emotionally stable.
King and the Collector’s story was the least interesting to me, though I think the “new” Collector is adorable. I loved the dynamic they had as a somewhat malicious and irreverent being that will poke and prod at anything for some amusement. It really made him feel like a threat, and I liked that.
The new interpretation revealed by the interactions with King was sweet but less compelling to follow. I would have found it much more interesting for King to help him slowly come to understand human/demon/witch morals and the way what they did was wrong.
Philip’s tricking of the Collector felt like a little bit of a stress, but potentially in character as someone who was desperate to regain the power he had likely lost due to Vee. King’s dialogue for that bit felt kind of forced, but I can excuse it.
Watching and Dreaming:
Oh crud, here’s the real doozy. Watching and Dreaming was the biggest let down for me. It was stunning visually, and the animation was fluid as a whole. It looked amazing, and I was thrilled with the episode the first time I watched it. But the more I thought on it, the more issues I’ve found.
I thought the nightmare sequence was going to be far more significant than it was. I was hoping for a deep analysis on the ways that Luz and Philip mimicked each other in their desire to be the hero, protect the people they care about, and escape the unsatisfactory reality that they had previously lived in.
I thought we would see Eda face and potentially live out some of her greatest fears. Maybe she would accidentally hurt King or Luz. It would have been interesting to see her grapple this during an intense battle that would decide the fate of the Isles! It was disappointing for that to be over in fewer than ten minutes without any of the depth. I don’t really have much to say for King’s nightmare sequence.
On a far more minor note, I disliked Philip’s design during this episode. Yeah, Kaiju Philip was interesting looking, but he doesn’t carry any of the same weight or fear that he used to. The lack of detail and speech from him felt off, because he is a character who puts so much weight into words and manipulation, and we never really get to see him.
I also dislike the way that his color scheme changed. I really liked the dark green and glowing blue thing he had going on. It felt like ooze and rot, like the decay and destruction of a person’s very soul until it’s so twisted it’s no longer human. The lighter green feels sickly, and it gives me the same feeling I get when I touch a grainy eraser. I shudder, and I don’t know why. However, that’s about all on Philip’s design, now to the more major concerns and thoughts.
Luz’s death would have been far more effective if she had died more slowly and if people had noticed she was dead. Without anyone else acknowledging it, I just felt kind of hollow for the whole thing.
I thought that Papa Titan was cool, but I really dislike what he did to the narrative. This fight was set up to be horrific and challenging, that it would take every ounce of the characters’ strength. And King’s parent just kind of took that away.
Additionally, she denied all the buildup that was put into Philip’s character. Philip was set up to be tragic and sympathetic. It implied that anyone could become an extremist and hurt others because they got in too deep, and I related to Philip a lot as a character, as well as Hunter. To see him called just plain evil was disrespectful to the rest of the work put in and everything Wittebro fans hoped to see.
Some people believe that the backstory we got was sufficient for Philip’s character. Respectfully, I disagree. The pictures that were in the background of Hollow Mind were exactly that—background. It implied a tragic character that went off the deep end when he lost the only person he loved.
It suggests that, in a better world, Philip could have moved past his biases and the manipulation he experienced the way Boscha and Caleb did. He could have had a happy ending and been the person that Luz thought he was. By saying he was just evil and ignoring his backstory, Papa Titan and Luz do the exact same thing that Philip does: dehumanize the enemy and say that the group/person should be killed without remorse. It also dehumanizes or hurts those that connect with him due to religious trauma or other reasons.
It feels wrong when only a scene ago, Luz was telling the Collector that things weren’t that simple. But now, they magically are.
Papa Titan also breaks all of the themes that were set up earlier: the idea that you have to choose yourself, that there is no divine being that is going to make you special, and that Luz got where she did because she was open minded and hard working. By making the Titan gift her the runes, it discredits all the hard work she did and supports Philip’s comment that the reason he couldn’t get glyphs easily was because the Titan was making it difficult (as opposed to him being a closed minded individual who couldn’t connect to the Isles).
Luz didn’t really have a choice, and it’s never really addressed the way that the found family theme is ignored as a result of her being chosen. It also implied that all the growth she did over the previous two seasons was pointless, because she was the chosen one.
After that, the tone is distinctly more action based and exciting as opposed to the horrific and stressful encounter I was expecting. It felt like the fight wasn’t being taken seriously by the characters or the writers, and it made it hard to stay invested or take the stakes seriously.
The fight could have been the whistle Hexsquad taking on Philip and supporting each other. Hunter could have helped get people out of the way when they were being attacked. Gus could have distracted Philip and help people escape or even left him open to attack. Willow and Amity could have grappled him and harmed him. Camila could have given it her all with the bat. It could have really pushed the theme of community and connection and the way they impact people.
Finally, I want to talk about one last thing: Philip’s death. I laughed at it the first time I saw it. It was amusing and more than a touch satisfying, but it’s not what Philip deserved.
Philip was a tragic, hurt character who sacrificed his health, his morals, and everything about himself in the pursuit of protecting humanity from witches. He was evil and irredeemable, and I do not want him to be redeemed.
I wanted him to learn that it was all for nothing and that his guilt was justified, that he was fed lies by the people he admired and told what he did was right when it wasn’t. I wanted to see him break down at the knowledge of his actions and their consequences, the sins he committed. Then, I wanted him to die.
In later watching, the scene where Raine, Eda, and King stomp him to death feels cruel. I agree that he needed to die, but Philip couldn’t fight back. It doesn’t feel like something that good guys would do. And Luz just watching them do that felt wrong.
Epilogue:
I liked the epilogue as a whole, except for a bit on Hunter. The thing with him and Willow was cute, but he didn’t cut his hair again, and he went on to carve palisman. I feel as if it violates everything previously set up about him choosing to be himself, and that makes me a bit sad.
In Conclusion:
I think that the people who weee unsatisfied with the Wittebane lore have every right to be. It was the most impactful series of events for the future of the Isles. It was built up for ages and never carried through. Obviously, my opinion would change if there was a series or movie on them.
Evelyn was “spring” to Caleb, as she introduced him the first life and light that allowed him to be who he wanted to be.
Season Three had amazing animation and visual depiction, but it fumbled on the themes it had previously established and some of the character development.
I am so sorry for rambling/ranting so much on this. I hope I haven’t scared or upset you. Have a great day!
#Philip Wittebane#Caleb Wittebane#Evelyn Clawthorne#Season three#The Owl House#TOH#commentary/opinion#some TOH criticism#Gravesfield#Flapjack#Luz Noceda#Eda Clawthorne#King Clawthorne#Hunter Noceda#Kikimora#Boscha#Raine Whispers#rant/ramble
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💌, 🥂, 🗒, & 💭
💌 — who confessed first and how did it happen?
Hunter, in his own little awkward way. We just finished saving Gus, and he asked to see me privately, then started talking about how he was scared when the guards almost caught him. I told him something like, yeah, I can imagine, it would've been terrifying to be forced to return. He told me that wasn't completely why. "I was scared because I really thought something bad would happen to you if I couldn’t protect you." Then he did that little swing thing with his arms and smiled at me, and he got an adorable blush on his face. "I like protecting you, Ty."
I told him that I really liked having him around too, but not just when he protects me, I just like having him around.
Officially, he finds the words right before we meet up with Luz as her escort to the Blight's mansion. But it's cute that he tries before.
🥂 — how did you two met and how did you relationship progress?
We met when he traps me and King as leverage for when he sends Eda and Luz to kill the selkidomus. Unsurprisingly, I cannot overwhelm the child soldier with my brother, the "bird". I try to make small talk, but he's more excited about King, so I make an off-handed comment about Grom, the ceremony, and now this. He turns around and points at me and says "You were there! When Grom escaped!" and we talk from there.
The second time was because I fell asleep in the palisman house! Luz stepped out to stretch, she was worried she was gonna fall asleep, but I was already dozing. Then, Goldy shows up and lifts us up and away. I used a plant glyph to pull myself up, and I try to wrestle him away from the controls, but he's stronger than me. Shocker, but I get a bit of sasstalk in while we fly.
From there, I keep his identity secret when he goes undercover for the grudgby team. There's a really tender moment between us when I spin him around, in honor of our win, and I hear him laugh for the first time. It's so adorable. We talk almost every day on Penstragram after that.
🗒 — who is your s/o and what are some photos you really like of them?
my baby Hunter whatever-last-name-he-chooses. He looks good every time forever and into infinity, so this is just a personal high light reel.
look at how HAPPY my baby is, oh my GOD i am tearing up over not being able to HUG MY LOVELY RIGHT NOW
💭 — who was the first person you told after getting with your s/o?
The first person I told was my qpp, Luz! She's. Very "I told you so" about it, because she figured that the bad but sad boys would get together, but she's also really happy because she knows I was torn up about whether or not it was a good idea, cause golden guard and all. It was the last thing on my mind until he brought it up after the whole sigil ordeal. The first thing we talk about after we meet back up, on the way to the blight's, is him asking me out and how over the moon I am. We are! Together! heheheheh
Thank you so much for asking!
#reality shifting#shiftblr#shifting realities#reality shift#shifting#shifting community#desired reality#shifters#shifting to toh#shifting to the owl house
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Hi! More questions about your au :D
1. How does Fiddlestan happen in this au? Will there be an intervention from the Hexsquad (+Mabel and probably Ford)
2. How does Eda’s Requirm episode go? Will Stan be with Eda and Raine, or be with King and luz
3. How will Ford find out about the curse?
Oki thanks byeeeee!
IN ENGLISH
Thank you so much for asking, I love answering your questions!
1. How does Fiddlestan happen in this au? Will there be an intervention from the Hexsquad, Mabel and probably Ford?
In this AU, Fiddleford and Stan meet during the events of the final season of The Owl House, here, Fiddleford was helped by Stanford (driven by guilt over losing Stan), and Fiddleford was gradually restored through therapy to a functioning man and helper in the lab.
Their dynamic would be similar to the comics where Stan and Fidds look for how to open the portal to bring Ford back, here, Fidds would be reluctant to help Stan, but when the Hex Squad uses the power of emotional manipulation, Fidds agrees and from there, everything goes naturally.
Of course, the dynamic between the two has so much chemistry that Stanford notices, is shocked by the situation and doesn't know if he wants them to be together or not, since the chaos could be caused by either of them.
And of course, the children would help make this couple a reality, especially Luz and Mabel.
2. How does "Eda's Requiem" episode go? Will Stan be with Eda and Raine or will he be with King and Luz?
For me, personally, I think Stan should be with the kids, more than anything because he is also one of the most important people for Eda, he is her best friend and accomplice in crime, but Eda knows that after hiding the truth about the portal from her, he will not want to be with her and will want to go home, just like Luz and King.
Besides the fact that I really like the idea of Luz seeing Stan as her foster father or life mentor, it would be nice to do some scenes where Stan and Luz share weird anecdotes and chat, or see them training their magic, with King it would be something similar, the three of them feel like they must return to a home that doesn't feel like their home, but at least they have each other.
And clearly Stan would know about the nice surprise King had for Eda, what he didn't know is that King saw Stan as a father too, much less that he also had papers lined up, and since he's still technically married to Eda, the rest is history.
Let's just say that tears were not lacking that day...
3. How will Ford find out about the curse?
Now we come to the most delicate question...
It would be during Halloween night, during the events of chapter 1 of the third season of The Owl House, where Hunter is possessed and the children begin to fight against Belos.
Stan would be filled with anger and helplessness to see one of his children suffering something so horrible, and of course, he would not allow something like that.
And everyone already knows what happens when Eda gets angry... So what happens next is logical...
When Ford first sees Stan's transformation, for a moment he thinks he's turning into a werewolf, but when he sees the way Stan has control over his movements and dodges Belos' attacks, he understands that this isn't something new, much less something like a normal werewolf curse, it's something more...
During a moment of the battle, Stan manages to get close to Belos/Hunter, and manages (somehow) to make Belos transfer into his body, perhaps Belos thought that controlling him would be easier, But he was wrong...
Stan had already faced his curse head on, facing Bill in his own mind, so facing Belos was not difficult.
"The only wrinkled zombie harrases my family is me!"
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1. ¿Cómo sucede Fiddlestan en este au? ¿Habrá una intervención del Hexsquad, Mabel y probablemente Ford?
En este AU, Fiddleford y Stan se conocen durante los eventos de la última temporada de The Owl House, aquí, Fiddleford fue ayudado por Stanford (impulsado por la culpa de haber perdido a Stan), y Fiddleford se fue recuperando con terapia hasta ser un hombre funcional y ayudante en el laboratorio
Su dinámica sería similar a los cómics donde Stan y Fidds buscan como abrir el portal para traer a Ford de vuelta, aquí, Fidds estaría reacio a ayudar a Stan, Pero cuando el Hex Squad usa el poder de la manipulación emocional, Fidds accede y desde ahí, todo marcha de forma natural
Por supuesto, la dinámica entre ambos tiene tanta química que Stanford se da cuenta, está sorprendido por la situación y no sabe si quiere que estén juntos o no, ya que el caos podría ser causado por cualquiera de los dos
Y claro, los niños ayudarían a hacer está pareja una realidad, en especial, Luz y Mabel
2. ¿Cómo va el episodio de "El Requiem de Eda"? ¿Stan estará con Eda y Raine o estará con King y Luz?
Para mí, personalmente, creo que Stan debería estar con los niños, más que nada porque el también es una de las personas más importantes para Eda, es su mejor amigo y cómplice del crimen, pero Eda sabe que después de ocultarle la verdad sobre el portal, no querrá estar con ella y querrá volver a casa, igual que Luz y King
Además de que me gusta mucho la idea de que Luz vea a Stan como su padre postizo o mentor de la vida, sería lindo hacer algunas escenas donde Stan y Luz comparten anécdotas raras y charlan, o verlos entrenando su magia, con King sería algo similar, los tres sienten que deben volver a un hogar que no siente como su hogar, Pero al menos se tienen entre si
Y claramente Stan sabría de la bonita sorpresa que King tenía para Eda, lo que no sabía es que King veía a Stan como un padre también, mucho menos que también tenía papeles preparados, y ya que técnicamente sigue casado con Eda, el resto es historia
Digamos que las lágrimas no faltaron ese día...
3. ¿Cómo se enterará Ford de la maldición?
Ahora vamos con la pregunta más delicada...
Sería durante la noche de halloween, durante los eventos del capitulo 1 de la tercera temporada de The Owl House, dónde Hunter es poseído y los niños empiezan a pelear contra Belos
Stan estaría lleno de ira e impotencia por ver a uno de sus niños sufriendo algo tan horrible, y claro, no permitiría algo así
Y ya todos saben que pasa cuando Eda se enoja... Así que lo que pasa después es algo lógico...
Cuando Ford ve por primera vez la transformación de Stan, por un momento llega a pensar que se estaba volviendo un hombre lobo, Pero cuando vio la forma en la que Stan tenía control sobre sus movimientos y esquivaba los ataques de Belos, entendió que esto no era algo nuevo, mucho menos algo como una maldición de hombre lobo normal, era algo más ...
Durante un momento de la batalla, Stan logra acercarse a Belos/Hunter, y logra (de alguna manera) hacer que Belos se traspase a su cuerpo, tal vez Belos pensó que controlarlo a el sería más fácil, pero se equivocó...
Stan ya había enfrentado su maldición frente a frente, encaro a Bill en su propia mente, así que enfrentar a Belos no fue difícil
"¡El único zombie arrugado que atormenta a mi familia soy yo!"
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