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Why Tang Shen is soo interesting to me
Okay with all the Nameless Trio content I’ve been posting I feel the need to let you guys know why I find Shen so interesting. This may be a long one but I have LOTS of thoughts so please hang tight.
“If we interfere Splinter will never move to New York and buy four baby turtles”
Donnie in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012) S3 E19
First of all Shen is literally the reason the story happens in most iterations. If it weren’t for her death, Hamato Yoshi likely never would’ve moved to New York, never bought the turtles, and they never would’ve gotten mutated. Without her there’d be no story. And yet she’s barely ever mentioned in canon.
Now I could talk for ages about fridging women and why it’s a stupid out-dated, over-used, misogynistic trope. And I’m not even going to pretend that’s not what happened to her. But one of the main problems with fridging is the fact that after the woman’s death sets the plot into motion (usually for some sort of love interest) she’s eventually forgotten by the plot. Women in fiction deserve better treatment than that. Real women deserve better representation than that.
However there’s another way that characters who die before the story starts can be utilized. One that I’m absolutely OBSESSED with. And that is the idea of haunting the narrative. Two of the best examples that I can think of are Mara from She-Ra and Caleb Wittenbane from the Owl House. Both characters are dead before the series begins. For a while the only way that we know about them is through what the other characters tell us. And, of course, this is a very biased view of the person. Sometimes it’s very one dimensional.
But even though we know almost nothing about them, they linger. They are everywhere in the story. So many things only happen because of them. Memories of Caleb are everywhere in Phillip’s mindscape. Hunter’s entire life is dictated by the memory of a man who died hundreds of years ago. And even the door, the things that brings Luz the the Boiling Isles and sets the whole story into motion only is opened for her because Caleb stole it from Belos and buried it in the backyard of his family home. We don’t know much about Mara but we know that Adora is in a way doomed to follow in her footsteps.
“In every other universe Gwen Stacy falls for Spider-Man. And in every other universe…it doesn’t end well.”
Spider-Gwen in Across the Spider-Verse (2023)
So we’ve talked about out-of-universe stuff. But what about what’s in the actual story? Due to the crossovers we know that all the iterations of TMNT sort of exist in the same way all the universes exist in the Spider-Verse world. They all have their own dimension. I can’t help but think of the parallels not only between the worlds but the characters who live within them. Gwen Stacy dies in every universe but one. She knows this. Unfortunately, the universe where she survives isn’t exactly kind to her. She loses her best friend. She loses Miles. She loses her father. She loses any chance at having a normal life.
In 2012 the turtles have a conversation with Shen where she is trying to pick between Oroku Saki and Hamato Yoshi. Of course they don’t know this at the time, but one of the choices will lead to her death. However, it will also lead to the world being saved from a variety of threats. But what if she did know? What if Shen knew that she would be sacrificing herself? What if she knew that in every other universe she was doomed to die? In every universe but one, that is.
Tang Shen is never said to be dead in ROTTMNT. But we only see her once in a movie poster. We know she exists but she has no relevance. As far as we know, she’s out there living her best life. So what is she like? What would a person be like in the one universe where she gets to live?
I really hope this wasn’t too long but thank you so much for reading this whole thing! If you want some content about Rise!Shen then visit the Nameless Trio tag on my blog, she’s one of the three main characters in that au.
#rottmnt#rise of the tmnt#rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles#tmnt#teenage mutant ninja turtles#nameless trio#rise shen#rise tang shen#2012 tang shen#2003 tang shen#tang shen
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The Shen Jiu & Shen Yuan dynamic I need to see more of is Shen Jiu coming to see Shen Yuan as a father figure, perhaps even a mother figure. And not in the way you think.
We are always talking about Shen Yuan's wife beam, but we don't talk about his mommy beam. I think Shen Jiu could resist the wife beam if subjected to it, but I don't believe he has any defense against the mommy beam. Now, I'm not talking about Shen Yuan transmigrating earlier than canon, meeting a child Shen Jiu and adopting him.
I'm talking about Shen Yuan transmigrating after Shen Jiu has already taken over Qing Jin peak. I'm talking about 21 year old Shen Yuan transmigrating into the body of a nameless rogue cultivator, meeting fully grown man already in his thirties Peak Lord Shen Qingqiu, and hitting him with his mommy/daddy-issuesinator and causing him a life threatening Qi deviation.
Shen Qingqiu can't help but trust him, and eventually looks up to him, sees him as a wise elder he seeks out for advice. He fucking hates it but he can't help himself. This homeless man he met in the forest is the closest thing he's ever had to a father. Also. He sort of wants Shen Yuan to breastfeed him in a, and he means this, non sexual way and he can't cope with that. He would just feel so safe!!
Shen Yuan, 21 years old, rogue cultivator, first time transmigrator and the father who stepped up, thinks he befriended the scum villain, and maybe? He can be a good influence on him? Be a good friend and guide him towards a fully limbed future. He's practically raising him but nobody tell him that.
Shen Jiu lost his childhood to slavery and his teenage years to violent madmen. and now he's behaving in ways he doesn't understand. He once lost sight of Shen Yuan in the town's market, ran towards a man who looked exactly like Shen Yuan from behind, and almost had a panic attack when the man turned out to be a stranger. It's all good because Shen Yuan found him before he started swinging Xiu Ya ("Have you seen my friend? He's this tall, clearly traumatized, but we haven't had the talk")
People think they're lovers at some point because Shen Jiu is quite possessive of Shen Yuan's attention, but everybody realizes that there's something way more innocent, and also weirder, and worse, going on between them when Shen Yuan drags Shen Qingqiu by the hand to apologize to the sect leader for being so rude when poor A-Yue is trying his best, and stands there with arms crossed, eyebrows raised, until Shen Qingqiu mumbles an apology, glances at Shen Yuan, and runs away.
"I'm sorry about that, Sect Leader Yue, he's had a bad day. I'm sure he didn't mean it."
Yue Qingyuan, someone who did actually sort of raise Shen Qingqiu, who's stood in Shen Yuan's shoes before, extracting reluctant apologies from a sullen Shen Jiu, to authority figures so he wouldn't get in trouble, is overcome by an intense, never before experienced wave of jealousy, so sudden it makes him spit vinegar flavored blood.
Then, a panicked Shen Yuan accidentally hits him with the mommy beam by accidentally adopting him (trying to befriend this guy who clearly needs a friend he can confide in!). And now he's placed himself in the young step-mom role who's desperately trying to bond with her new husband's teenage children but they're wired to not like her! (He used those exact words when explaining to Shang Qinghua where that new tension he has with the Sect Leader came from)
Liu Qingge is afraid of him. Maybe. He runs away when their eyes meet but he keeps leaving dead things at his feet so like, he's probably threatening him? He feels intimidated by him? Or something?
(Liu Qingge thinks Shen Qingqiu's older brother is so cool and really wants to hang out with him, but if Shen Yuan calls him Didi one more time Liu Qingge's barely held back "Yes, Gege?" Is going to jump out of his mouth and he WILL Qi deviate and EXPLODE)
When Binghe enters the equation shit gets a lot weirder.
First, he believes Shen Yuan to be Shen Qingqiu's neglected spouse (Shizun keeps leaving his poor wife alone when he goes out on night hunts and to visit brothels! Shen Yuan has needs!! He should be with someone who cherished him!! Someone who would treat him as he deserves to be treated, someone who'd wait hand and foot on him!!!) needless to say, Luo Binghe's teenage fantasies take on an even more illicit turn than in canon (it goes from "STERN TEACHER POUNDED BY STUDENT AT BAIZHAN TRAINING GROUNDS" to "NEGLECTED WIFE CHEATS WITH STUDENT ON HUSBAND'S BED!! IMPREGNATED WHILE HUSBAND IS AWAY")
Luo Binghe, of course, does his best to seduce him, but ends up being coddled and cuddled.
"it's like I'm his handmaiden, his shadow, the only witness to my lady's heartbreak at her husband's cold regard and indiscretions. Shizun won't spare him a moment if not to discuss cultivation or business! He won't allow Shen Yuan more than a head pat! and move away from any other touch! How ungrateful! They don't even share a bed! I brush his hair, I dress him every morning, I pour him tea and he lets me rest my weary head on his lap. The intimacy we share is not sexual, but Ning-Shijie, I wish it was! I saw the outline of his dick yesterday and I need it!"
"A-Luo please stop talking."
Then, he realizes he misunderstood. Shen Yuan is a cultivator so of course he looks so young! Shen Yuan is clearly Shen Qingqiu's father. He's constantly worried for his un-filial son and remains by his side!! That explains everything!!!(LONELY DILF RIDES YOUNG MAN ON QING JING'S LIBRARY!! HE WISHES YOUNG MAN WAS HIS SON!!!!)
He goes from trying to steal Shen Qingqiu's wife to steal his father. He could be Shen Yuan's friend, lover, and son. His student. His confidant. His silly rabbit.
Shen Qingqiu KNOWS this. But nobody will fucking believe him!! The jiejies at the pavilion giggle and tell him he must be exaggerating, and when he went to Yue Qingyuan so he could intervene and fix it, Yue Qi just looked at him dead eyed and said to "Let him." !!! Let him what?? Deflower our father Qi-Ge??? Shame on you!! That beast is trying to break this family apart!!
But wait!!! look!!! a crack opened in the fabric of space and reality, leading directly to hell. Wouldn't it be a shame if someone were to, accidentally, drop kick this homewrecker inside it?
Luo Binghe is gone when Shen Qingqiu realizes oh wait, that was a demon mark on his forehead wasn't it. Oh good, now he has an excuse. Baba will understand.
(Baba doesn't understand. Baba acts as if he's lost his soul and won't look him in the eye. He's also growing mushrooms bodies in the garden, and added a drop of Shen Qingqiu's blood in the seeds before planting? Which is odd. but at least if he's gardening then he's not staring at that swordmound for hours on end)
I don't even know where I'm going with this
#bingqiu#svsss#shen yuan#shen jiu#listen#i just believe shen yuan has the ability to give everybody he knows some sort of complex and we need to explore that#also#sj in a very ooc move adopts a random homeless man he met in a dark forest as his father. thinks man must be decades older than him#sy in a very in character move raises up to the occasion without a clue of what he's rising up to. once he finds out people think he's like#fifty or a hundred years old. he just.... lets them. whatever he's an old soul#he's always been mature for his age#mip
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Mxtx main character: is somebody gonna match my freak
Mxtx love interests, in unison: yes
#mxtx#mdzs#tgcf#wei wuxian#wei ying#lan zhan#lan wangji#wangxian#hua cheng#xie lian#hualian#shen qingqiu#luo binghe#bingqiu#svsss#berry agenda rise
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As we know, in 2012 TMNT Tang Shen was Yoshi's wife (?) and in rottmnt she is Yoshi's co-star... Do you think BM was jealous of Yoshi and Shen? I think so. And she doesn't care that Shen and Lou are friends from college.
Sketch for this amazing project
#my art#rottmnt#sketch#nail art#rise of the tmnt#tmnt fanart#big mama#BM#rise big mama#tang shen#human Big mama#cartoon
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with Luo Qingyang and Lou Binghe having the same last name I got start thinking of an au: like what if lbh was her little brother
tho what's funnier lbh in the mdzs universe or that means tlj is lou qingyangs dad in that au
I wanted to give this a genuine answer but I kept getting distracted by Lou Binghe...so...yeah.
#poorly drawn svsss#svsss#luo binghe#shen qingqiu#modern au#homestuck#ask#More of a warning tag than an organization tag. Even though this is not my first homestuck crossover. Or my last.#Do *not* ask me to justify why modern au svsss translated into 'homestuck casual cosplayer LBH'. I don't know. I don't know!!!#It was 2am and my brain is completely cooked! It just kept happening bro!#I do think modern AU LBH would absolutely be a causal cosplayer by the way. Maybe not homestuck. Probably an anime.#I will take suggestions and the best one (very loose definition of best) I will draw. Or do another poll to then draw.#This is your call to action (the one reading this <3)#Shen (shawn) Yuan absolutely has 'I read homestuck since it's days on the mspa forums' energy. He would have been in deep.#Shang Quinghua can also have a little 'After finishing the series he became a clown gender e-boy'. As a treat.#Ok I got it out of my system. I can answer the ask properly now.#LBH would have been so much more normal if he had mianmian as a role model.#“if it sucks - hit the bricks. Do not succumb to the sunk cost fallacy” is a motto LBH really needed to hear.#Both of them do start from the bottom and seek a rise to the top - only to take a step back and realize it isn't the most important thing.#So it is a kind of neat parallel!
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Color Palette- Wilted Lavender
Love doin comics with no plans or explanations :D
#coko doodles#Quilt Au#mini comic#color palette#Tang Shen#Splinter#tmnt iteration#rottmnt#tmnt#drawing#doodle#sketch#teenage mutant ninja turtles#rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles
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Yue Qingyuan casually thinking he'd rather die than exist without Shen Jiu:
Shen Jiu, dead but still around and busy fist fighting the system: DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE
#svsss#mxtx svsss#I think shen jiu would rise from the grave just to make sure yqy doesn't actually go through with it#shen jiu#yue qingyuan#Breaking news malevolent Ghost of qing jing Lord arrives at cang qiong to yell at sect leader
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Ten people already found dead the day shen qingqiu becomes comfortable enough with his sexuality and marriage to start using flirting on purpose as a form of comedy.
#liu qingge is in the morgue AS WE SPEAK#but forreal tho the day shen qingqiu gets over his sexuality crisis and achieves his final form of self acceptance and happiness#is the day the wife beam is at its strongest and the death rate of being hit with it rises exponentially (somehow)#svsss#scum villains self saving system#shen qingqiu
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Rise introduced various new characters, but something that I found kind of interesting was that one Rise character seemed to kind of fill part of a role that is kind of usually filled by another character in other iterations of TMNT.
Splinter: Big Mama and I were inseparable
Within Rise, Big Mama is not only one of the Turtle’s enemies but she also fills another role of previously being Splinter’s past love but when it comes to Hamato Yoshi’s past love interests in previous iterations of TMNT Hamato Yoshi’s past love is usually a character named Tang Shen.
Throughout the many iterations of TMNT a recurring character that has been brought up is Tang Shen who is either the love interest or wife of Hamato Yoshi, in various iterations Tang Shen is also involved in a love triangle involving Hamato Yoshi & a third member.
In the IDW comics Tang Shen is the wife of Splinter’s past life & the mother of the Turtle’s past lives.
With Tang Shen having previously been kind of consistently been Hamato Yoshi’s love interest in previous iterations of TMNT it kind of makes me wonder why Rise decided to not have Tang Shen be Hamato Yoshi’s love interest which made me kind of wonder if Big Mama might have possibly been meant to be the Rise version of Tang Shen considering that we do not really hear Big Mama’s real name however I kind of found out that Rise actually does have it’s own iteration of Tang Shen
In Rise Tang Shen actually does kind of get a brief mention in the episode Hot Soup the Game as she is shown to be one of Lou Jitsu’s co-stars when Foot Brute & Foot Lieutenant are telling Casey about Lou Jitsu.
Tang Shen being Lou Jitsu’s co-star & possibly in movie love interest might possibly be a slight reference to how Tang Shen is kind of typically Hamato Yoshi’s love interest in previous iterations of TMNT
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Many of Lou Jitsu's coworkers had nothing but nice things to say about him.
Those who knew him personally however had...different opinions...
#rottmnt#rise of the tmnt#rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles#tmnt#teenage mutant ninja turtles#rottmnt fanart#nameless trio#lou jitsu#tang shen#rise shen
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What if TMNT took place in Brasil?
I made this redraw of one of Joseph Leyendecker illustrations 'cause I wanted to draw this villain couple
In my au Tang Shen (Big Mama) and Oroku Saki (The Shredder) are an evil couple
Together in life and crime
#digital art#character design#digital illustration#tmnt#rottmnt#rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles#teenage mutant ninja turtles#tmnt 2012#save rottmnt#tmnt 2018#tmnt 2003#tmnt 1987#tmnt 2023#mutant mayhem#tmnt big mama#tmnt tang shen#tmnt oroku saki#tmnt shredder#redraw#couple#tmnt brazillian au#tmnt brazil
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shen qingqiu and luo binghe as dragons
#svsss#flight rising#scum villian self saving system#scum villain#shen qingqiu#luo binghe#bingqiu#they're a little silly but thats okay i still love them#cd.txt
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*grips Shen Qingqiu by the shoulders*
aren't you tired of being nice? Don't you want to crack under the pressure of the system and the robbed autonomy of being forced into a role you had no choice in but have to play anyways? don't you want to buckle under the realization that, to you, no matter what you do your life is going to end in a horrific death? Whether that be under Luo Binghe's hands or the System's?
Don't you want to realize that no matter all the good you have done and the lives you have changed and saved, you're still standing at the ledge of a cliff with a sword to your disciple's chest?
Shouldn't it be you at the edge instead? Balancing on the crumbling dirt's end of death on either side, and you can either walk into it or be forced?
don't you want to go apeshit?
#I AM SO NORMAL YOU GUYS I PROMISE *visibly foaming at the mouth and gritting my teeth so hard you can hear them crack*#svsss#scum villain#shen yuan#shen qingqiu#scum villain self saving system#HI YES I MAY NOT HAVE READ THE NOVEL AND ONLY BEEN HERE FOR A WEEK BUT I AM. OBSESSED. FIXATED IF YOU WILL#luo binghe standing at the edge of the endless abyss and he sees something snap in his shizun's eyes like metal creaking under#the pressure of the deep sea. or like heat rising too quickly. the steady slow snap of someone hanging on by a thread.#i dont think i've fully understood sqq's characterization howEVER. i think i've got enough of his character down to try and twist it the wa#i think could happen. forgive me if this isnt in character or anything ajhf#anyways i love isekai anything and i think the system could slowly drive someone who didnt ask to be here insane#SY adjusts rather quickly from what i've heard but what if he DIDN'T. what if it wasnt fine what if he was trying his best and it was#taking its toll because apparently trying his best just wasnt enough. his stubborn refusal to view the people around him as people#but as characters following a script is very frustrating to me but also it works in my favor for this. look at the best way to break him is#*stares at SQQ* i think he should go apeshit. as a treat. skin a man alive SQQ. bite someone. rip out their throat.#i know thats prolly not his character but what if it COULD be. what if it IS. people are so nuanced and niche and can change at the turn#of a dime and SQQ has been forced into an unfavorable position and frankly traumatic experience. he could change or he could not and#isnt that FASCINATING? to erode or to stand tall. are you copper or are you a canyon. will you change colors and stay the same or will you#crumble and shear and become something new? when facing the elements when facing the inevitable what will you become?
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Last week I forgot I was summoned to Jury Duty, luckily I made it in time sadly I was selected (T ^ T) now I’m an alternative and forgot if I should talk about the case or should I wait for their call (°▽°)
I tried to rest my hand but that lasted for like three days (・・;) I downloaded Clip Studio and I was playing with it. Stay tuned on my TikTok, I’ll be posting a animatics soon.
Please enjoyed these doodle (*^▽^*)
@lazyraccoonlol
#mona lisa is Mexican cuz I say so#love the idea of Frida in y2k style#doodle#rottmnt#rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles#rottmnt oc#tmnt mona lisa#rottmnt mona lisa#rottmnt oc x canon#rottmnt olivier#rottmnt isako#rottmnt frida#tmnt miwa#raph x mona#rottmnt raph#rottmnt leo#rottmnt donnie#tmnt tang shen
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SNEAK PEAK ON THE TANG SHEN DESIGN [WIP]
[Art done by @circusinarun]
#hot soup the musical#hstm#rottmnt#rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles#tang shen#save rottmnt#fan project#character design#project update
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The dumb idea I had at work
#coko doodles#Quilt Au#Tang Shen#Splinter#eventually#tmnt iteration#rottmnt#tmnt#drawing#doodle#sketch#teenage mutant ninja turtles#rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles
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