#jin guangyao stans block me (｡･ω･｡)

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

This fandom needs to get over that MDZS is not excessively praising filial piety at all, and the people that do show this in excess in book, are either manipulating the outward appearances of what good filial piety looks like,(Jin Guangyao) or, only bring up their family in way of how this has burdened them with supposed responsibilities to lash out at others because they actually hate taking initiative to act on supposed familial loyalty (Jiang Cheng).

Performative Filial Piety is shameful and nothing to defend, yet that's exactly what this fandom does with the two characters that do make an actual mockery of filial piety up to one bringing up his own issues into an ancestral hall meant for respect to ancestors, while the other erases his mother's life into something he finds more comfortable and praiseworthy to worship.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

I will never let fandom rest trying to downplay JGY's messes because they not once actually addressed these other than to say "it can't be true" when there are multiple passages and his own words to say yes he did do this. And they parrot he had no choice when the plot itself criticizes that exact excuse for him.

Anyway come to me if you want to see him torn apart~!( ´▽｀)

*sighing* ... It's time for me to unburden myself to a kindred soul. I end up seeing so many meta posts about jgy and his various situations or justifications for whatever he did... And I'm like... Did you all forget that he burned women alive? Along with any servants or children that were in the brothel with them? Did you forget that he mass raped women by proxy and forced them to have sex with a corpse before killing them too? Did you forget that he happily killed children by setting fierce corpses on them and iirc "blamed" He Su for "making" him do it? Are we seriously going to sit here and debate about "was he really the villain for killing nmj" and "do we really have evidence that he killed jin rusong?" or "no one appreciates him for the watchtowers" ?? He would have gladly killed all the juniors too including Jin Ling? Is everyone really buying that he felt bad about that? I also just...you can tell how much those sex workers don't count as people in so many readers' eyes, they don't even think about those murders when explaining why jgy is their morally grey fave. HE'S JUST BAD, GUYS HE'S JUST BAD. I'm so tired. 😢

I think you and @jiangwanyinscatmom would get along swimmingly.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Do you think the people could have won the Sunshot Campaign against the Wens without Wei Wuxian's ghost cultivation?

I have seen many fics with this idea, saying how what Wei Wuxian did was unnecessary, but I feel like those fics tend to depict Wei Wuxian as the "self-sacrificing" idiot which I loathe so much.

I feel like they would have lost imo. Not saying Lan Wangji, Nie Mingjue, and Lan Xichen are weak, but there's only so much they can do against an entire behemoth like the Wens. Not to mention the amount of territory they have lost to the Wens. What they lacked were numbers, and Wei Wuxian's cultivation quickly fixed that problem.

(So, I'm going to disclaimer this that this is probably going to be a heavily unpopular opinion and hey fair, but this is just what I came away with):

I think fandom makes Wei Wuxian a power fantasy trip in fics that just aren't to a realistic standard that we are shown by proxy of the plot we are given, Wei Wuxian's own character and thematics.

What won the war was dirty tricks. Wei Wuxian only provided very tentative sustainability and was able to recover one of the Jianghu's limbs that was ready to fall off (Yunmeng Jiang). Yunmeng Jiang had barely any man power behind it after Lotus Pier was taken hostage, aside from Wei Wuxian's control of fallen Wen soldiers they fought and Yunmeng Jiang survivors not present at the massacre. He was constrained to Jiang Cheng's side via duty of being his right hand and there is no reason tor him to not be with Yunmeng Jiang war efforts. Which means his usage of jiangshi was to the exclusivity of Yunmeng Jiang battles.

He was not a leader and Jiang Cheng certainly wasn't going to throw what was his best asset into the thick of it when they had the chance to make the clan survive. As you said, Wei Wuxian is not self sacrificial and he explicitly says this as well in the original draft of the novel during the Guanyin Confession.

Wei Wuxian did not have the time to make a mass army of corpses. That would have taken years upon years with him the one alone even trying to do that. Remember the anti Wei Wuxian talk point of: He's using Grandma's dead body, but he certainly wasn't about to make jiangshi out of their own allies as that would have been out of character for him, and grounded fodder for clans to use against him even sooner than when he protected the Wen Remnants. He was also accused of this plan by the Jins and Jin Guangyao is the one to actually amass an army of hundreds of jiangshi over thirteen years to attack the other clans during the second seige for the damage needed to be an immediate threat.

Wei Wuxian did not have the actual resources to even think or want to do that as that takes a very cruel mind to come up with a plan like that. He also did what he set out to do, which was take the seat of Yunmeng Jiang back for Jiang Cheng by killing the ones that took it in the first place. Wei Wuxian was not what turned the tide of the war or what ended it. Even with him making Wen soldier Jiangshi in his own battles, it would still have been chipping at a mountain with all the other ground the Wens had. There were three other sects that Wei Wuxian did not have a duty to and were also struggling to maintain their own. Nie Mingjue did claim Bujing Shi by his own clan mettle to consolidate the other clans into something more organized. Even with Wei Wuxian the war was still in the thick of the clans not having the better hand regardless, just surviving.

What upheavals the war was Jin Guangyao ingratiating himself to Wen Ruohan (Who ironically elevated Wen Zhuliu as well as a prominent soldier despite both being commoners) and was named a torturer. Due to Jin Guangyao being able to get that close to Wen Ruohan, into his inner palace he was literally able to cut off the head of the war maker. But again, it takes a very cruel mind to have the tenacity to plan that out, manipulate, kill allies to be able to have the chance to do that. Jin Guangyao also coveted prestige and power something Wei Wuxian did not ever show interest in.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Hello anon, I do not post any links sent to me, just as a courtesy. Also will not be even opening it based on the ship because I really really hate x-yao and it just pisses me off.

In general I don't give any sort of credibility to the ship, because it's not a thing in the text. They are not romantic, never implied to be romantic and I think the very concept of it is a discredit against friendships that can be just as toxic as any other relationship. Romance is not the only feeling in our lives that can cause us hurt and be taken advantage of, nor can friendships not be just as meaningful or more to some of us and leave a very long lasting impression.

As well as Lan Xichen and Jin Guangyao never being a mirror to Wangxian, despite this being a very popular talking point the fandom runs with or the everyone is gay in danmei for whatever reason. I also just simply have a distaste for it given how many times it's not tagged, implying Lan Xichen sexually and romantically was interested in a man that was married and once more, discredits any relationship that isn't romantic as being less significant. Jin Guangyao is a disgusting character that had a moment of humanity, while ultimately being total scum. Lan Xichen was not heartbroken about him dying, he was heartbroken about his own blind arrogance that was ignorance. People can play around with the ship all they want, but I haven't a single reason to tolerate the ship or play nice about it because it's a ship people get into divorced of the actual context the characters originated from.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

No I won't ever stop saying Jin Guangyao should reincarnate into a worm and Nie Huaisang gets to feed him to a bird

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Jin Guangyao is forever the poster picture of 绿茶婊 in aesthetic, energy and action

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

JGY stans don't follow me, I only allow the only real JGY stan here, and that's @ladypfenix

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[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Saw the ask post and I gotta ask!

9 - Worst part of canon

10 - Worst part of fanon

For MDZS! (I think I know the answer for the second but I'd like to hear it)

((ALSO thank you for the answer in the previous ask! It was very enlightening! Thanks Ava!))

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Good morning dragonfly, you are very welcome, when it comes to the Maigu Ridge incident, I think people have such a reaction due to how fandom early on portrayed it all, and the comprehension being misunderstood as the point of that scene hence it's rep as being meant as some fetishization and denying the context plotwise of it all, but I suppose that is another long discussion for SVSSS and my forever frustrations about people's regard in story and in fandom about Luo Binghe.

9: Worst part of canon

Jin Guangyao.... I really really hate the worm, he makes me so uncomfortable with everything he does. He's a very good villain and gaslighting in written form.

10- Worst part of fanon

(Everything) Or, I suppose more specifically, the way fandom likes to use personal anecdote, or personal code, to say why a character is exempt of their behavior while Wei Wuxian is in the wrong, despite the text not catering to see Wei Wuxian as such and denying that his personal growth has nothing to do with he having ever had corrupt moral beliefs or regrets concerning his actions during the war against the Wens, or for him attacking those that attacked him first during the first siege.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

I wouldn’t disagree, JGY is a villain. He does countless evil things. I would even go so far as to say that he doesn’t deserve any sympathy. I just think that it is very understandable that people feel sympathetic towards him.

But I don’t understand what is wrong about loving the character or enjoying fanfiction that characterises him as likeable and good and just “misunderstood” (even though this isn’t at all canon). He is not real. His crimes are not real. If I enjoy engaging with fanfiction portraying him like his canon facade (pitiful, sweet, in need of support), I don’t see the problem. Of course this is a misrepresentation from his canon version, but so what? It is fanfiction. What is so wrong about deciding that you want to see a version of the story where JGY’s mask/facade is the real him? I seriously fail to see the problem in this. I am very, very new to this fandom, so this is why I even ask. Maybe I am genuinely missing some context here. I just got started looking into the mdzs, cql fandom space here and was surprised to see so many controversy regarding this. In my mind it is all about a fictional character and it feels like people treat the whole thing like he exists for real and harmed real people. 

So this isn’t meant as a “Why do you hate JGY?” (It is pretty obvious why you hate him, there is admittedly a lot to hate). I just wonder why you seem so set against people who like the character based on the version of himself he pretends to be in most of canon. 

I'm not here to entertain their fanon or to act as if it's valid, I've been harassed far too many times to act as if I need to play nice about it anymore.

I don't have a reason at all to make them feel comfortable in wanting to make a wobbly sad man rapist their safe space when he's meant to be pathetic in his own plotline. I don't owe any sort of novelty for that as you said, he's fake, yet, they sure like to disregard the very real connotations of abuse and excuses people like him in life want and expect like it's their right. I don't care if he's liked, have at it, just don't expect me to have any sympathy for that type and act hurt that I despise that very characteristic that wants pity. Regardless of who it is, I don't very much care for enabling the abuser of any work because I feel like I can fix them.

Call it the running theme of misogyny within fandom spaces. As a woman, I don't need to have it forced down my throat I need to also sympathize with abusive men with absconded words usually for women victims, on a man that abused and used that very system for his own selfish needs. I don't condone the usage of him as something he isn't, as in context he is the abuser and misogynist that time and again the real world pedestals still based on "but he has a sad life so it's okay and he deserves support" when he actually had that, yet still moves to hurt others based on his own hate. As a woman, I don't need to be told to have more sympathy for a man who doesn't care about the abuse he enacts on the vulnerable and the empathetic for his own needs.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

"We should all understand and be sympathetic to what made Jin Guangyao into what he was"

Literally, no, he had at one point been sympathetic, but he lost that when he admitted it wasn't his own mother being degraded after death, but his own self and being ignored by his trash of a father, that set him to ruin others. He didn't have any reason what so ever to rape the prior prostitutes he once knew, or killed the CHILDREN of the Tingshen He clan, all of which was to show his dominance of power over them and humiliate them before they died.

He is nothing like Wei Wuxian and the only thing sympathetic out of his death was that it still is rooted in classism and feeds into the same thing that hurt Wei Wuxian.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Why are JGY stans?

I ask that as well every time I log on this site and see "Jin Guangyao and Wei Wuxian are equally morally grey".

Well, in order to BE morally grey, you kind of have to want to do good for others in the long run, against the socially accepted laws of your community. Jin Guangyao never wanted to do good for others, and only wanted to further himself. Which makes his crimes pile up as he drags in many that are not needed to assert his power.

At the barest definition, to the cultivation world, Wei Wuxian can be considered "morally grey", if not for the fact that the audience itself is not supposed to question Wei Wuxian's position as what he does is usually always for the well being of others, that the world despises. We are supposed to be horrified and angered along with Wei Wuxian as to what is done to the Wens, and the hypocrisy of the Jianghu making excuses for their immorality.

In turn, Jin Guangyao is the cover of grey morality for the Jianghu world as a whole personified.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Jin Guangyao when he decided to go to the Jins

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Hello there twitter refugees! As I have seen an uptick with followers I feel the need for both of our sakes, to let you know what to expect on my blog before we all commit to each other and some basic ground rules here on my humble tumblr land piece and if you as well need to block me:

1: You follow or reblog from any self titled “Anti-MXTX” bloggers with that specified carrd description, unfollow me and don’t reblog my posts please. 💜 This also involves anything do with “MXTX critical” as well.

2: Jin Guangyao stans don’t try me, I am not nice about him so just block me if you don’t enjoy that as well as me very much despising Xiyao as a ship. I generally tag anything to do with him as, I hate jin guangyao and jin guangyao stans block me.

3: I adore my submissively breedable Jiang Cheng as a joke because he is damn trash, if you portray him as best UwU jiujiu and bro evar blocking me is best for your benefit. To put bluntly, if you think Wei Wuxian was more in the wrong toward him through the plot, my meta here are not going to be for you as my sympathy for this character is low. I don't tag anything as anti jiang cheng, as I do like him as one of my favorite characters to analyze, and what I have here is simply reiterating what we are given from text and the author.

4: I am rather critical of the portrayals of fandom tropes for MDZS that is horribly prevalent on Twitter and this runs the gamut of all sides. I am more than happy to expand on my thoughts on anything for this as well for any questions sent my way about what I think of "so and so".

5: I am a Wei Wuxian and Lan Xichen stan first and foremost and will make that apparent through my meta as I get rather annoyed when the points of these two are missed.

6: Don't come to my inbox because I ranted or made fun of a bad OOC fandom headcanon and it personally upset you, your bad takes upset me. Equivalent Exchange, as Edward Elric said.

7: I do not and will not post anons linking to other blogs, this is basic courtesy only on my part as I am not comfortable with providing direct links that are not my own or of those that I have reblogged or commented on with my additional post commentary If I get particularly annoyed enough to say something in reaction.

8: FengQing shippers can block me instead of responding to my posts, I take none of what you say into account, thank you, don't come again 😊

9: Yue Qingyuan owes nothing to Shen Jiu himself and as the plot significantly changes due to Shen Yuan, there's nothing more for him to take responsibility for by the end as Shen Yuan exonerated him from any further responsibility to move on. Don't argue this with me as any what if's are unwarranted, needless and useless semantics.

With that, call me Orion or Ava!

98% MDZS here with a few smatterings of the other MXTX novels, c-dramas, Priest’s novels, video games and shitty memes. And uhhh, lots of clothes and pretty photos.

Only other info that is needed is that I am a lesbian, mexican/latina and 30+.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

LXC and JGY anon - I was just wondering which of Jgy's crimes LXC knew about pre-guanyin scene, from where he said something along the lines of "I knew you had done some things but I trusted you had your reasons." I'm not sure that his wen torturer shenanigans or killing that one captain were even mention-worthy given the circumstances and LXC clearly didn't know about anything revealed during wangxian's investigation, so what questionable/immoral deeds was LXC referring to?

Hello there! Glad this one came through!

In regards to when he had said he knew Jin Guangyao had committed questionable things, I assume he was speaking of when Jin Guangyao had been caught by Nie Mingjue for killing his Jin Commander. He had found them both in the middle of their fight after all when Nie Mingjue was close to killing Jin Guangyao as it was.

He had even asked for Nie Mingjue to not hurt him, as Hi Guangyao must have had a reason for it all. Which of course is what made Nie Mingjue storm away finally as, Lan Xichen stopping him is what probably saved Jin Guangyao, and even during this Lan Xichen n is unsure of his own self, yet due to his passivity, does not ask for anything further from either man.

I also believe it is aa you had said, with his time as Wen Ruohan's personal torturer, it was assumed after all by the world as a whole, he had only done all of this as a way to undermine the Wens. Which, while true, was another show of Jin Guangyao sneaking his way into places that would make him profit from the outcome of either side. If Wen Ruohan won, well, he would still have a defined role with the Wens and a well off position without being exposed as a traitor. If his plan of sabotage and covertness worked, he'd be called a hero for his role of killing Wen Ruohan. As was depicted in his own murals he commissioned.

There was also the death of Jin Rusong which due to Jin Guangyao's apparent "grief" it was not questioned heavily when Jin Guangyao took out an opposing Clan against him. Each of these instances of conveniences, in Jin Guangyao's favor to garner pity, still had something strange about them that Lan Xichen ignores.

He is able to straddle that line of "doing the questionable for the seemingly good". As Wei Wuxian points out, he would not have believed his schemes either if it weren't for seeing it all first hand in empathy. And one of the largest pitfalls of this, is that thanks to empathy not being clouded by the "point of view" of who owns those memories, Wei Wuxian is able to become the omniscient narrator of events previously. A nice little meta twist on what it means for the "unreliable" theme that the plot pokes at and readers fall into themselves.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Every time a JGY stan tries to say they view Jin Guangyao differently and they know the actual point of him, makes me happy he's stuck in a coffin for a hundred years fighting until he goes to Diyu and probably gets reincarnated into a worm that's promptly fed to Nie Huaisang's bird.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Why do JGY stans get so mad when people refer to him as the villain? It’s literally canon he’s the big bad and the main villain to be taken down by Wangxian. Like, WRH and JGS were candidates to be the big bad but not really competent enough and so eventually they were killed off by him.

Because they're WEAK!!!

I can't say really, since I find it a lot more fun and enjoyable myself to explore Jin Guangyao as depraved as he wants to be underneath that kind exterior. It's a terrifying look underneath someone so personable, but can carry so much hate and selfishness that's their real self.

It's scary, to be faced with the product that love, isn't something that can save everyone as we are ideally raised to believe, or that others don't want that over the idea of power and vengeance against those they despise. Jin Guangyao especially had many moments where he could have chosen love and friendship over it all, but he never did. He could have honestly kept Lan Xichen as his "best friend", but he chose Xue Yang to confide in and scheme with for years behind the backs of his supposed confidant without guilt.

He is able to use what he learned from the women around him growing up, in a very twisted way. It's really almost misogynistic how he took the trade of prostitute tricks and melded it into the position of male only chief cultivator. It's almost a sick joke on the idea of maternal nurturing, that he's able to discard like a mask. A true lu cha biao. And given just how well MXTX knows the use of internet slang and twisting them to fit her works so great, he is such a fun face for this term.