#jin guangyao stans block me (｡･ω･｡)

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Wait follow-up question, why is wwx a-xian while jc is a-cheng? Is this abt decorum or the boys' preferences

Jiang Cheng is Jiang Yanli's blood brother and recognized as such, so no need for her to call him Wanyin much less their family name to each other. Hence A-Cheng. It would be even weirder if she tried to call her own brother by anything else especially because she was known to love him as well. She has no decorum to worry about regarding own brother as family can easily use each other's birth names.

Where it becomes more socially intricate with Wei Wuxian: Despite Jiang Yanli vocally calling him "didi" lit. little brother and not "shidi", their society does not take this claim as seriously (or believe it for that matter) as she does. In their eyes she is an unmarried woman and he is an unmarried man. He was as also never adopted into the Jiang clan despite being a disciple of the clan, he has the family name of Wei and the station of a servant. It would unfortunately look very presumptuous and bold for her to call him a-Ying. It would give fodder for the rumor mill that they were romantically involved, as lovers would use birth names to denote being intimately close. For her using a-xian is to denote that they are as close as siblings, while respecting his turn of age and right to his generational name as a man of age amongst his peers that do and have targeted him in other innocuous ways for being the son of a servant. It's why her demand that Jin Zixun apologize to Wei Wuxian of the Yunmeng claim is so resounding. Jiang Yanli was saying Wei Wuxian was a part of her family, as well as his own individuality as Wei Wuxian had been insulted and called lesser. Patriarchal ties are almost sacred, while she calls him her brother she is not demanding he forsake his filial piety to his ancestral name.

Now, on a similar note, here is where it can be implicitly insulting when it comes to courtesy names with Jin Guangyao's and position: He does not share the same generational character as his familial peers of Zi (子). He is left with a prior generation's name denomination. He is outright being denied any immediate claims of succession as a clan heir and is insulted as being a servant and door greeter for them. He may have been named a Jin in name finally by Jin Guangshan, but there is nothing substantial to that claim as he is not being considered as a succeeding heir unless, literally, all his social betters are killed. Which he makes sure happens. He even does this with Mo Xuanyu, who was brought to Jinlintai after Jin Zixuan was killed. He was defamed and driven out conveniently as Jin Guangshan was killed and never was given a courtesy name or named a part of the Jin Clan formally. Jin Guangshan was readying to claim another heir from his illegitimate children. Jin Guangyao was still not recognized as his child by him, probably out of horrendous and cruel pettiness for Jin Guangyao's interruption at a Jin social event. And Jin Guangyao sure did have resentment about his station of being only a servant, and ridiculed for it, built up for decades.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

I will never let fandom rest trying to downplay JGY's messes because they not once actually addressed these other than to say "it can't be true" when there are multiple passages and his own words to say yes he did do this. And they parrot he had no choice when the plot itself criticizes that exact excuse for him.

Anyway come to me if you want to see him torn apart~!( ´▽｀)

*sighing* ... It's time for me to unburden myself to a kindred soul. I end up seeing so many meta posts about jgy and his various situations or justifications for whatever he did... And I'm like... Did you all forget that he burned women alive? Along with any servants or children that were in the brothel with them? Did you forget that he mass raped women by proxy and forced them to have sex with a corpse before killing them too? Did you forget that he happily killed children by setting fierce corpses on them and iirc "blamed" He Su for "making" him do it? Are we seriously going to sit here and debate about "was he really the villain for killing nmj" and "do we really have evidence that he killed jin rusong?" or "no one appreciates him for the watchtowers" ?? He would have gladly killed all the juniors too including Jin Ling? Is everyone really buying that he felt bad about that? I also just...you can tell how much those sex workers don't count as people in so many readers' eyes, they don't even think about those murders when explaining why jgy is their morally grey fave. HE'S JUST BAD, GUYS HE'S JUST BAD. I'm so tired. 😢

I think you and @jiangwanyinscatmom would get along swimmingly.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

No, the villains of MDZS do not actually have any redeeming qualities. They have a glimmer of humanity, in the case of Xue Yang cherishing the candy given to him by Xiao Xingchen, Jin Guangyao finding Lan Xichen a kind man, and Jiang Cheng loving Jin Ling. But none of the above is a redeeming quality. Because they still are the ones actively harming who they "loved". Especially in the case of Xue Yang and Jin Guangyao.

Xue Yang took active pleasure in having Xiao Xingchen kill innocent people because the man was blind (literally and metaphorically to Xue Yang's monstrosity). Lan Xichen was purposely blinding himself to Jin Guangyao's depravities and his own lack of facing his hypocrisy by using the fact he was friends with a man that came from a sympathetic hard life, which Jin Guangyao used while aspiring to be his father (that lacked morals).Jiang Cheng is arguably the most sympathetic here, as he did mean well when it came to Jin Ling. But his own hatred and selfishness took precedence to any actual kindness and tolerance he could have raised Jin Ling with.

The first two were always going to be scum because they found nothing wrong with how they manipulated and hurt others for their own benefits. Jiang Cheng runs away from his guilt and hurts others to his detriment. There is a reason the only one that lives is Jiang Cheng. And that's due to him still having a semblance of humanity still within him to actually do better by the one he loves.

This doesn't make him a good person. But it sure makes him a less shitty one that can still do something by not manipulating and using the one he loves as his shield for an excuse. The other two died never thinking they ever wronged the people they killed while still making excuses for themselves. It was always someone else's fault. Jiang Cheng had the chance to stop doing that and did for once in his life.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Now see, Wei Wuxian would never be friends with Jin Guangyao because once he sees him as the trash he is he wouldn't ever think there was a good reason for Jin Guangyao to manipulate and hurt the people he goes after and sees he has no remorse because Jun Guangyao's doesn't care about anyone other than himself.

When Wei Wuxian did enact punishment and did kill it was for the sake of others justice and safety. Jin Guangyao didn't ever protect anyone without the thought of somehow benefiting off of that and kill them out of being personally offended eventually.

That was why Jin Guangyao was friends with Xue Yang. They were alike. Wei Wuxian was never like them despite having very similar backgrounds because he was kind and continued to be kind. Something that Jin Guangyao and Xue Yang never were and used that as an excuse to enact even worse cruelties.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

This fandom needs to get over that MDZS is not excessively praising filial piety at all, and the people that do show this in excess in book, are either manipulating the outward appearances of what good filial piety looks like,(Jin Guangyao) or, only bring up their family in way of how this has burdened them with supposed responsibilities to lash out at others because they actually hate taking initiative to act on supposed familial loyalty (Jiang Cheng).

Performative Filial Piety is shameful and nothing to defend, yet that's exactly what this fandom does with the two characters that do make an actual mockery of filial piety up to one bringing up his own issues into an ancestral hall meant for respect to ancestors, while the other erases his mother's life into something he finds more comfortable and praiseworthy to worship.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

The idea that Meng Yao is different from Jin Guangyao and that everything is actually Jin Guangshan's fault kills me. I love fics and this fandom as a whole, but folks out here really like to sugar coat their uwu short king ✨.

Have you ever seen an even half-way reasonable argument for the death of Qin Su and the sex workers JGY killed off after forcing them to commit necrophilia? I swear if I see one more person claim he only ever acted out of fear and self-defense, I'm gonna pop.

No see, Qin Su, killed herself, and he was a grieving husband (but actually he was in love with Lan Xichen and Qin Su WHO, he was forced to marry the woman he impregnated, how sad, he really loved Lan Xichen). Never mind, we are just shown his literal torture and mo dao chamber he arrays off and took her in there as well. To then conveniently station her in the room with him, filled with an audience now with a dagger filled with resentment, after she just had a massive emotional breakdown and he threatened her with their committed incest because as the woman, she would be condemned even more so with no recourse and safety, if she didn't keep it silent.

And those sex workers were mean to little Meng Yao. They deserved to die and he wasn't at fault at all for a mass necrophiliac rape, because he has emotional trauma.

It wasn't his fault, but society (even though Jin Guangyao very much profited and coveted being the top of that society and when he was, nothing changed).

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Do you think the people could have won the Sunshot Campaign against the Wens without Wei Wuxian's ghost cultivation?

I have seen many fics with this idea, saying how what Wei Wuxian did was unnecessary, but I feel like those fics tend to depict Wei Wuxian as the "self-sacrificing" idiot which I loathe so much.

I feel like they would have lost imo. Not saying Lan Wangji, Nie Mingjue, and Lan Xichen are weak, but there's only so much they can do against an entire behemoth like the Wens. Not to mention the amount of territory they have lost to the Wens. What they lacked were numbers, and Wei Wuxian's cultivation quickly fixed that problem.

(So, I'm going to disclaimer this that this is probably going to be a heavily unpopular opinion and hey fair, but this is just what I came away with):

I think fandom makes Wei Wuxian a power fantasy trip in fics that just aren't to a realistic standard that we are shown by proxy of the plot we are given, Wei Wuxian's own character and thematics.

What won the war was dirty tricks. Wei Wuxian only provided very tentative sustainability and was able to recover one of the Jianghu's limbs that was ready to fall off (Yunmeng Jiang). Yunmeng Jiang had barely any man power behind it after Lotus Pier was taken hostage, aside from Wei Wuxian's control of fallen Wen soldiers they fought and Yunmeng Jiang survivors not present at the massacre. He was constrained to Jiang Cheng's side via duty of being his right hand and there is no reason tor him to not be with Yunmeng Jiang war efforts. Which means his usage of jiangshi was to the exclusivity of Yunmeng Jiang battles.

He was not a leader and Jiang Cheng certainly wasn't going to throw what was his best asset into the thick of it when they had the chance to make the clan survive. As you said, Wei Wuxian is not self sacrificial and he explicitly says this as well in the original draft of the novel during the Guanyin Confession.

Wei Wuxian did not have the time to make a mass army of corpses. That would have taken years upon years with him the one alone even trying to do that. Remember the anti Wei Wuxian talk point of: He's using Grandma's dead body, but he certainly wasn't about to make jiangshi out of their own allies as that would have been out of character for him, and grounded fodder for clans to use against him even sooner than when he protected the Wen Remnants. He was also accused of this plan by the Jins and Jin Guangyao is the one to actually amass an army of hundreds of jiangshi over thirteen years to attack the other clans during the second seige for the damage needed to be an immediate threat.

Wei Wuxian did not have the actual resources to even think or want to do that as that takes a very cruel mind to come up with a plan like that. He also did what he set out to do, which was take the seat of Yunmeng Jiang back for Jiang Cheng by killing the ones that took it in the first place. Wei Wuxian was not what turned the tide of the war or what ended it. Even with him making Wen soldier Jiangshi in his own battles, it would still have been chipping at a mountain with all the other ground the Wens had. There were three other sects that Wei Wuxian did not have a duty to and were also struggling to maintain their own. Nie Mingjue did claim Bujing Shi by his own clan mettle to consolidate the other clans into something more organized. Even with Wei Wuxian the war was still in the thick of the clans not having the better hand regardless, just surviving.

What upheavals the war was Jin Guangyao ingratiating himself to Wen Ruohan (Who ironically elevated Wen Zhuliu as well as a prominent soldier despite both being commoners) and was named a torturer. Due to Jin Guangyao being able to get that close to Wen Ruohan, into his inner palace he was literally able to cut off the head of the war maker. But again, it takes a very cruel mind to have the tenacity to plan that out, manipulate, kill allies to be able to have the chance to do that. Jin Guangyao also coveted prestige and power something Wei Wuxian did not ever show interest in.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Hello anon, I do not post any links sent to me, just as a courtesy. Also will not be even opening it based on the ship because I really really hate x-yao and it just pisses me off.

In general I don't give any sort of credibility to the ship, because it's not a thing in the text. They are not romantic, never implied to be romantic and I think the very concept of it is a discredit against friendships that can be just as toxic as any other relationship. Romance is not the only feeling in our lives that can cause us hurt and be taken advantage of, nor can friendships not be just as meaningful or more to some of us and leave a very long lasting impression.

As well as Lan Xichen and Jin Guangyao never being a mirror to Wangxian, despite this being a very popular talking point the fandom runs with or the everyone is gay in danmei for whatever reason. I also just simply have a distaste for it given how many times it's not tagged, implying Lan Xichen sexually and romantically was interested in a man that was married and once more, discredits any relationship that isn't romantic as being less significant. Jin Guangyao is a disgusting character that had a moment of humanity, while ultimately being total scum. Lan Xichen was not heartbroken about him dying, he was heartbroken about his own blind arrogance that was ignorance. People can play around with the ship all they want, but I haven't a single reason to tolerate the ship or play nice about it because it's a ship people get into divorced of the actual context the characters originated from.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Just wanted to commend you for the fact that despite hating Mr. Lu Cha Biao, you’re always fair when you talk about things that are genuinely done against him like how his father mistreats him.

It makes reading any post of yours about him more nuanced than just blind hatred or blind love, and as a fan of his exemplary villainy, I enjoy that!

Aw thank you Sangsang.

I do try to strive to focus on the text first and foremost before I try to I feel about it all lol. Because my I feel opinion is not going to be as neutral as my textual compounding. But in the least I can say I understand why he did what he did, and anyone can be treated needlessly cruel, regardless of who they are. It's how they choose to treat the world after that cruelty that's harder to dismiss despite their circumstances. And MXTX is an author that tells us tragic circumstances does not stop you from being kind or to be used as an excuse to not be better than those that treat you terribly.

Actual love and kindness is what makes us better people. And you do not have any excuse to forsake that and look down upon small kindnesses in a very cruel world. You do not enact cruelty and hate while expecting, or demanding, kindness. That is entitlement while claiming to be above others because you faced tragedy or circumstance. That is the reason why the likes of Jin Guangyao, Xue Yang, Shen Jiu and Jun Wu stop being sympathetic. It's "I understand the cruelty you have gone through, but you are not exempt of your own cruelty that has been even worse, and you are simply not a good person despite tragedy". And it's human to feel sympathy for other people, no one can tell you you are not able to feel for them, but your own sympathy doesn't suddenly make awful people secretly good, secretly always well intentioned or misunderstood the whole time. Because they wanted to be cruel and saw nothing wrong with that.

Nie Mingjue understood what Jin Guangyao was as a person because they did have the same exact mindset. They do say "hate what you are". And I think that's also what really makes someone like Jin Guangyao terrifying because I do understand why he did what he did and why he went about it as he did. And I don't like that I can understand that. For me to try to excuse that cruelty is a personal flaw that I can't do in good conscience and the novel certainly isn't saying I should excuse that either.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

No I won't ever stop saying Jin Guangyao should reincarnate into a worm and Nie Huaisang gets to feed him to a bird

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Jin Guangyao is forever the poster picture of 绿茶婊 in aesthetic, energy and action

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

JGY stans don't follow me, I only allow the only real JGY stan here, and that's @ladypfenix

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[jiangwanyinscatmom]

"We should all understand and be sympathetic to what made Jin Guangyao into what he was"

Literally, no, he had at one point been sympathetic, but he lost that when he admitted it wasn't his own mother being degraded after death, but his own self and being ignored by his trash of a father, that set him to ruin others. He didn't have any reason what so ever to rape the prior prostitutes he once knew, or killed the CHILDREN of the Tingshen He clan, all of which was to show his dominance of power over them and humiliate them before they died.

He is nothing like Wei Wuxian and the only thing sympathetic out of his death was that it still is rooted in classism and feeds into the same thing that hurt Wei Wuxian.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Hello there twitter refugees! As I have seen an uptick with followers I feel the need for both of our sakes, to let you know what to expect on my blog before we all commit to each other and some basic ground rules here on my humble tumblr land piece and if you as well need to block me:

1: You follow or reblog from any self titled “Anti-MXTX” bloggers with that specified carrd description, unfollow me and don’t reblog my posts please. 💜 This also involves anything do with “MXTX critical” as well.

2: Jin Guangyao stans don’t try me, I am not nice about him so just block me if you don’t enjoy that as well as me very much despising Xiyao as a ship. I generally tag anything to do with him as, I hate jin guangyao and jin guangyao stans block me.

3: I adore my submissively breedable Jiang Cheng as a joke because he is damn trash, if you portray him as best UwU jiujiu and bro evar blocking me is best for your benefit. To put bluntly, if you think Wei Wuxian was more in the wrong toward him through the plot, my meta here are not going to be for you as my sympathy for this character is low. I don't tag anything as anti jiang cheng, as I do like him as one of my favorite characters to analyze, and what I have here is simply reiterating what we are given from text and the author.

4: I am rather critical of the portrayals of fandom tropes for MDZS that is horribly prevalent on Twitter and this runs the gamut of all sides. I am more than happy to expand on my thoughts on anything for this as well for any questions sent my way about what I think of "so and so".

5: I am a Wei Wuxian and Lan Xichen stan first and foremost and will make that apparent through my meta as I get rather annoyed when the points of these two are missed.

6: Don't come to my inbox because I ranted or made fun of a bad OOC fandom headcanon and it personally upset you, your bad takes upset me. Equivalent Exchange, as Edward Elric said.

7: I do not and will not post anons linking to other blogs, this is basic courtesy only on my part as I am not comfortable with providing direct links that are not my own or of those that I have reblogged or commented on with my additional post commentary If I get particularly annoyed enough to say something in reaction.

8: FengQing shippers can block me instead of responding to my posts, I take none of what you say into account, thank you, don't come again 😊

9: Yue Qingyuan owes nothing to Shen Jiu himself and as the plot significantly changes due to Shen Yuan, there's nothing more for him to take responsibility for by the end as Shen Yuan exonerated him from any further responsibility to move on. Don't argue this with me as any what if's are unwarranted, needless and useless semantics.

With that, call me Orion or Ava!

98% MDZS here with a few smatterings of the other MXTX novels, c-dramas, Priest’s novels, video games and shitty memes. And uhhh, lots of clothes and pretty photos.

Only other info that is needed is that I am a lesbian, mexican/latina and 30+.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Why are JGY stans?

I ask that as well every time I log on this site and see "Jin Guangyao and Wei Wuxian are equally morally grey".

Well, in order to BE morally grey, you kind of have to want to do good for others in the long run, against the socially accepted laws of your community. Jin Guangyao never wanted to do good for others, and only wanted to further himself. Which makes his crimes pile up as he drags in many that are not needed to assert his power.

At the barest definition, to the cultivation world, Wei Wuxian can be considered "morally grey", if not for the fact that the audience itself is not supposed to question Wei Wuxian's position as what he does is usually always for the well being of others, that the world despises. We are supposed to be horrified and angered along with Wei Wuxian as to what is done to the Wens, and the hypocrisy of the Jianghu making excuses for their immorality.

In turn, Jin Guangyao is the cover of grey morality for the Jianghu world as a whole personified.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Jin Guangyao when he decided to go to the Jins