#i hate jin guangyao

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

This fandom needs to get over that MDZS is not excessively praising filial piety at all, and the people that do show this in excess in book, are either manipulating the outward appearances of what good filial piety looks like,(Jin Guangyao) or, only bring up their family in way of how this has burdened them with supposed responsibilities to lash out at others because they actually hate taking initiative to act on supposed familial loyalty (Jiang Cheng).

Performative Filial Piety is shameful and nothing to defend, yet that's exactly what this fandom does with the two characters that do make an actual mockery of filial piety up to one bringing up his own issues into an ancestral hall meant for respect to ancestors, while the other erases his mother's life into something he finds more comfortable and praiseworthy to worship.

[reileinaxiu]

it's funny how everyone wants wei wuxian and lan wangji to solve each of their problems. jin guangyao died? jin ling, lan xichen and jiang cheng must be so sad. how can wangxian run away leaving them alone? all of these three just saw how wei wuxian's first life ended manipulated by the jin sect, and so far in his second life, he's already been faced with a seige.

people are like: wei wuxian only shows big displays of love? hah! who was the one who kept encouraging, protecting and defending jin ling? who fought jiang cheng's own insecurities for him, and wiped his tears? who let lan xichen talk and talk and not take up the slightest grudge, even withholding information that will break him? which brother was hurt the most by his sect, and which brother maintained a caring relationship towards his sibling? which guy was constantly blamed for the fall of a sect he wasn't even in and disrespected by jiang cheng? which guy did jiang cheng try to ridicule by insinuating he had sexual relations with mo xuanyu?

lan xichen never investigated into jin guangyao's crimes! jiang cheng never investigated into xue yang despite his hatred of demonic cultivators! he never called anything out. poor jin ling spent all his life, surrounded by utter filthy people.

should wei wuxian and lan wangji now stay to give him a talk? what can they say? lan qiren literally planned to drag lan wangji back to gusu and put him into seclusion! you think wangxian will stay a second longer in the cultivation world and end up being blamed for more things they never did?

wei wuxian is a bad uncle ? yet, he's the only one we see caring and bonding. what place does he even have? he was jiang yanli's junior martial brother, and left the sect. how can his relationship to Jin ling be the same as what jiang cheng or jin guangyao is? how can he go and demand to be with Jin ling when he can literally do nothing?

what can Lan wangji do for his brother? tell him it wasn't his fault he never thought to check deeper into what he already knew? tell him it wasn't his fault for sharing everything about even lwj's personal life to an outsider?

should lwj leave wwx out on the fence for his brother? should wwx leave lwj for his not-nephew nephew and ex-martial brother?

did lxc ask lwj to stay? did jiang cheng ask wwx to stay?

nope!

then why aren't they allowed to leave? why is it such a crime that just like how everyone focuses on their lives ONLY, they now finally focus on each other.

[onnahu]

My favourite trope in MXTX's novels is finding one that one person is a criminal/traitor so we need to get rid of them but it turns out they're the only competent person in this whole fucking place so we desperatly scramble for what's left of them to menage our taxes.

[benevolenterrancy]

the first of many betrayals (nmj is willing to throw other people to the wolves (his little brother) if it means he's not the one being immediately pestered)

[cloud-hymn]

I truly do not care if people hate a character I love so long as they hate them for the right reasons

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

I will never let fandom rest trying to downplay JGY's messes because they not once actually addressed these other than to say "it can't be true" when there are multiple passages and his own words to say yes he did do this. And they parrot he had no choice when the plot itself criticizes that exact excuse for him.

Anyway come to me if you want to see him torn apart~!( ´▽｀)

*sighing* ... It's time for me to unburden myself to a kindred soul. I end up seeing so many meta posts about jgy and his various situations or justifications for whatever he did... And I'm like... Did you all forget that he burned women alive? Along with any servants or children that were in the brothel with them? Did you forget that he mass raped women by proxy and forced them to have sex with a corpse before killing them too? Did you forget that he happily killed children by setting fierce corpses on them and iirc "blamed" He Su for "making" him do it? Are we seriously going to sit here and debate about "was he really the villain for killing nmj" and "do we really have evidence that he killed jin rusong?" or "no one appreciates him for the watchtowers" ?? He would have gladly killed all the juniors too including Jin Ling? Is everyone really buying that he felt bad about that? I also just...you can tell how much those sex workers don't count as people in so many readers' eyes, they don't even think about those murders when explaining why jgy is their morally grey fave. HE'S JUST BAD, GUYS HE'S JUST BAD. I'm so tired. 😢

I think you and @jiangwanyinscatmom would get along swimmingly.

[poorly-drawn-mdzs]

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[lgbtlunaverse]

See the thing about me is that I do care about characters' morality but it's more in the sense of wanting to understand their moral framework and why they take the actions they do. And because of that i'm always sympathetic to morally grey characters and try to look at things from their perspective, but I don't expect the other characters in the story- who unlike me are actually affected by each other's actions- to feel the same way.

For example, I care deeply about nie mingjue and the inherent tragedy of how he's been trapped by his own circumsances and his genuine will to do the right thing and can see how his reliance on punitive justice was created by the environment he's grown up in and the responsibility he holds towards his people and i don't think, in any stretch of the word, that he deserved to die or that it was in fact necessary to kill him.

However i do not expect jin guangyao, guy who was just kicked down the stairs, to see all the nuances here.

In the same sense, i can see how jgy's "self preservation above all else" mindset was forged by a world that expected him to die for their convenience how his avoidance of accounability for his actions was created out of necessity because any punishment levied against him would be disporportionate due to his heritage. How punishing him wouldn't actually make the world a better place or him a better person and how his violence is always reactive and that as long as he feels safe eneough to do so, the thing that he really wants to do is help people.

But I don't expect Huaisang, guy whose brother just got murdered, to give a fuck about any of that.

And I think this is why I'm annoyed with a lot of "is [insert character] a good/bad person" discourse because a lot of it gets framed as "If A is bad, the other characters in universe should hate them. If A is good, the other characters should be sympathetic to them, and if they're not then they're bad." And that is just... not how this works.

[mapacart]

Meowyao 🐾

[acequinz]

The 3 geniuses in mdzs

1. Wei Wuxian

2. Wen Qing

3. Jin Guangyao

Before anyone comes at me with the Jin Guangyao isn't a genius he just has an eidetic memory I fucking swear to god I will beat your ass.

Wei Wuxian and Wen Qing are very clearly geniuses in their field, cultivation and healing.

Jin Guangyao is a genius when it comes to strategising.

Like this guy was out there forming plans taking action, like you can't sit there and ignore his contribution in fucking sunshot war wasn't that he was just a spy for wen rouhan.

No he went there, he earned the fucking trust, gathers the intel and formed a plan along with it to send it to lan xichen safely.

Even before that, he was a vice deputy to nie Mingjue and doing a great fucking job to the point he had his trust completely, after which he managed to save Lan Xichen by himself and nursed him back to health until they went their separate ways with the new plan.

Then you go even before and he managed to cultivate a core even though it was weak the fact that he managed to cultivate one at his age means that he could have clearly been a genius if he had half the resources other gentry had.

Now come back post sunshot and he was planning a lot of events for the Jins then again you remember that he wasn't brought up as gentry yet the only complaint that came his way was because of the jzx vs wwx situation but he had a solution for that too.

The reason he's a genius is not because he can memorize things easily, it's because he can put those things to use with high efficiency and get results.

That's why he had like 5 sect leaders eating directly out of his hands.

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

Do you think the people could have won the Sunshot Campaign against the Wens without Wei Wuxian's ghost cultivation?

I have seen many fics with this idea, saying how what Wei Wuxian did was unnecessary, but I feel like those fics tend to depict Wei Wuxian as the "self-sacrificing" idiot which I loathe so much.

I feel like they would have lost imo. Not saying Lan Wangji, Nie Mingjue, and Lan Xichen are weak, but there's only so much they can do against an entire behemoth like the Wens. Not to mention the amount of territory they have lost to the Wens. What they lacked were numbers, and Wei Wuxian's cultivation quickly fixed that problem.

(So, I'm going to disclaimer this that this is probably going to be a heavily unpopular opinion and hey fair, but this is just what I came away with):

I think fandom makes Wei Wuxian a power fantasy trip in fics that just aren't to a realistic standard that we are shown by proxy of the plot we are given, Wei Wuxian's own character and thematics.

What won the war was dirty tricks. Wei Wuxian only provided very tentative sustainability and was able to recover one of the Jianghu's limbs that was ready to fall off (Yunmeng Jiang). Yunmeng Jiang had barely any man power behind it after Lotus Pier was taken hostage, aside from Wei Wuxian's control of fallen Wen soldiers they fought and Yunmeng Jiang survivors not present at the massacre. He was constrained to Jiang Cheng's side via duty of being his right hand and there is no reason tor him to not be with Yunmeng Jiang war efforts. Which means his usage of jiangshi was to the exclusivity of Yunmeng Jiang battles.

He was not a leader and Jiang Cheng certainly wasn't going to throw what was his best asset into the thick of it when they had the chance to make the clan survive. As you said, Wei Wuxian is not self sacrificial and he explicitly says this as well in the original draft of the novel during the Guanyin Confession.

Wei Wuxian did not have the time to make a mass army of corpses. That would have taken years upon years with him the one alone even trying to do that. Remember the anti Wei Wuxian talk point of: He's using Grandma's dead body, but he certainly wasn't about to make jiangshi out of their own allies as that would have been out of character for him, and grounded fodder for clans to use against him even sooner than when he protected the Wen Remnants. He was also accused of this plan by the Jins and Jin Guangyao is the one to actually amass an army of hundreds of jiangshi over thirteen years to attack the other clans during the second seige for the damage needed to be an immediate threat.

Wei Wuxian did not have the actual resources to even think or want to do that as that takes a very cruel mind to come up with a plan like that. He also did what he set out to do, which was take the seat of Yunmeng Jiang back for Jiang Cheng by killing the ones that took it in the first place. Wei Wuxian was not what turned the tide of the war or what ended it. Even with him making Wen soldier Jiangshi in his own battles, it would still have been chipping at a mountain with all the other ground the Wens had. There were three other sects that Wei Wuxian did not have a duty to and were also struggling to maintain their own. Nie Mingjue did claim Bujing Shi by his own clan mettle to consolidate the other clans into something more organized. Even with Wei Wuxian the war was still in the thick of the clans not having the better hand regardless, just surviving.

What upheavals the war was Jin Guangyao ingratiating himself to Wen Ruohan (Who ironically elevated Wen Zhuliu as well as a prominent soldier despite both being commoners) and was named a torturer. Due to Jin Guangyao being able to get that close to Wen Ruohan, into his inner palace he was literally able to cut off the head of the war maker. But again, it takes a very cruel mind to have the tenacity to plan that out, manipulate, kill allies to be able to have the chance to do that. Jin Guangyao also coveted prestige and power something Wei Wuxian did not ever show interest in.

[daily-suyao]

[zhoudadudugongjin]

he's not a vile creature he's just a little guy 😞

[thatswhatsushesaid]

jin guangyao remains THE most compelling and dynamic non-protagonist character in mdzs, and no amount of rudely tagged character hate will change that

"but i hate him and NEED to share that i hate him with anyone who might check the character tags!!!"

🖕😌🖕

no you don't

[benevolenterrancy]

@mymusehowls I actually drew Nie Mingjue braiding Meng Yao's hair a couple months ago, so I decided to switch it up and let Meng Yao braid Nie Mingjue's this time!

Dealing with all that hair must take forever, so they may as well go over morning reports while fussing around with it u.u