#TV Adaptation

[clemsfilmdiary]

Pee-Wee's Big Adventure (1985, Tim Burton)

6/29/24

[seraphinitegames]

Hello! I've been immensely curious about this for a while now, if the Wayhaven Chronicles books were to turn into a TV series, who among the premade detectives (or would you create a new character?) and love interests route would be canon in the show?

My brain has been exploding overthinking this concept ever since I got immersed in reading your books! Apologies if this has been asked before, hope you guys have a great day and goodluck with Book 4!! 🫶

I mean, I probably wouldn't get a say in it, lol!

Likely I imagine it would be the love triangle that would be the one in the show, because TV shows do love a love triangle (which I also do, which is why one is in Wayhaven :D).

As for which pre-made Detective, I'm not sure. Again that would be on them to decide I expect, more decided by which actor they chose...As you can tell, I have no idea how TV shows are made, lol! :D

Wayhaven always plays out in my head as real as a TV show or movie, so it would just be so odd to see how someone else would envision and create it in actual visual media!

Thank you so much for the ask! :)

[atombombkaytee]

I’ve watched the entire series again today in a hungover state and I CAN’T DEAL with all the parallels.

I mean, when Lucy finds out about her Dad’s true actions and origins - her whole world falls apart. She saw the vaults as safety - she looked up to her Dad more than anyone else in the world. She learns that he’s lied about who he is as a man and as her father, but also she must realise that the vault’s are hiding their own dirty secrets (especially after her experience at vault 4) and that her Dad is a part of that too. She even says to Max, after leaving vault 4, that if she destroyed a whole community to save him, he would be heartbroken: when that’s exactly what he did on an even grander and more terrible scale. Lucy’s life wasn’t even in direct danger to warrant that reaction - he’s just an insecure selfish arsehole.

At the very same time we see the flashback scene of Coop hearing Barb suggest that they drop the bombs on America. This woman that he loves and trusts and has made a family with - who he said he fell in love with because she always tries to do the right thing. Their reactions at the point of realisation - shock, inability to speak, almost dissociation - are both extremely similar. Him having gone through that betrayal before (and likely plenty of times since) is EXACTLY why he talks to Lucy how he does. He’s preparing her for the eventual heartbreak - because he has experience which states that nothing could ever be as perfect as she claims her life is. When he’s making ass jerky from Roger, he even tells her: there’s what people say they do and then there’s what they really do.

When you look at all of that, really, in the scheme of things, Coop - the man that she’s seen as this inhuman, cruel, murderous monster - he’s the good guy. He too thought his wife’s business with vault tec was abhorrent. Yes, he’s been warped and twisted by the wasteland and by his own trauma - but he does see this brightness in Lucy. He thought she was just naive and full of bullshit (especially being a vault dweller. Something which I’m sure triggered him considering his past with vault tec and the links to his wife) but when she proved herself by giving him the vials instead of letting him die, he’s probably amazed that there’s someone left in the world who isn’t just a liar and a terrible person. He’s so used to betrayal and violence by this point. She’s a good person - a trait that he literally said he was in love with his wife because of. She softens him.

But she also proves herself in another way - by shooting her feralled mother - showing that she’s also grown and learnt that not everything is black and white. It’s not just “good and bad” in this world. And although Coop has questionable morals, he’s honest, like her. He tells it how it is. Plus, after her Dad’s huge life changing betrayal and her time in the wasteland, she understands a little more why Coop has done all the things that she’s seen him do - I mean he did meet her pretty much day one out of the vault initially - hence why she goes with him. He has hardened her up to protect her in the wasteland.

Wilzig even says “will you still want the same things when you’re a different animal altogether.”

My god. It’s just genius. Absolutely genius.

“You comin’?”

Edit: Can we also talk about how Coop is basically the inspiration for the vault boy - who Lucy basically looks to (physically a few times throughout the series) for inspiration to do the right thing. AND the fact that her Dad was obviously a bit obsessed with Coop and probably still was when Lucy was born, seeing as he’d been in a pod and had only just woken up, retaining recent memories. So Lucy likely watched all of his films and her Dad maybe even saw him as a bit of a role model (or at least his in-film characters). AND the obvious exchange of index fingers. Yup. Honestly if this relationship doesn’t become cannon, I will start dropping bombs too.

ANOTHER EDIT: Sorry one last thing but, I just want to add: nothing that post-war Coop does is personal. It’s either: to get a job done, survival, because he’s been triggered by something (understandable after what’s he been through) or, in Lucy’s case, to teach a (admittedly often harsh) lesson. He doesn’t just mindlessly kill - or particularly enjoy killing - he just has no issue with it, it’s all just means to an end. He even still remembers to pay for his tomatoes in Filly ffs haha… I imagine he’s extremely numb and devoid of all feeling - except for when it comes to his wife and little girl. That’s the only time we see more visceral reactions in either actions or dialogue from him. He’s such an intricate character and Walton did an amazing job of portraying him.

[lexosaurus]

tv executives: ah, here is an extremely popular book beloved by so many. it is full of rich lore and extremely deep and complex characters and relationships. it would make such a wonderful movie or television show! tv executives: i know! let's adapt it, but change everything about it and dumb it down because our audience is too fucking stupid to understand this complicated book that they clearly love and cherish. ah yes, we will make millions.

[cakegatedisaster]

I don't know how many of you lovely people know what's happening, but the by-and-by is that Netflix has officially canceled Shadow and Bone, and any potential spin-offs. I don't like this. No one likes this. And so, I ask, if you have a moment or are even slightly interested, maybe go sign this petition?

This show meant a lot to me and to thousands of other fans, and I want to try to do everything I can to save, so pretty please!!

[yrrtyrrtwhenihrrthrrt]

I know this may be surprising as a history nerd and given my very loud negative feelings about Netflix's adaptation of All Quiet on the Western Front, but,,

I fucking LOVED Netflix's adaptation of The Decameron.

Largely because it wasn't an adaptation of Boccaccio's The Decameron, in the same way that Netflix's Nimona wasn't an adaptation of the original novel either (and that, too, I love, while still loving the source material). Both took inspiration from the original novel and restructured it for a different audience in a way that was interesting and engaging both to people who are and are not familiar with the story, and did so in a way that was respectful to the overall message of the source material.

Also they were fictional stories and not fetishistic adaptations of real people's real life trauma like aqotwf but who's keeping track

When I see people, especially adults, who want an identical, point-for-point recreation of a novel, with no creative exploration, no adaptive use of the medium, no modernization or interpretation of the source material, with the ONLY audience in mind being Nerds Who Read The Book, perhaps it's my hyperphantasia talking, but why even bother?

[whirlwindstars]

When I started watching 1964's "I Miserabili", I was greeted with 11 MINUTES OF INTRODUCTION from the director and the screenwriter of the series. I sat through all of it, discovering the behind the scene of +10 hours of adaptation. Then, near the end, the screenwriter mentions Grantaire.

...You peaked my curiosity, sir.

So, without further ado, let's meet 1964 Grantaire!

Grantaire's introduction

1964 version

Grantaire has two introductions here: one done by "Les Amis", and one done by himself. Let's start with the first.

"Grantaire, skeptic"

Grantaire is first introduced to Marius (and the audience) at Café Musain, along the other members of "Les Amis". He's sitting with Prouvaire and Feuilly, a bottle of wine by his side, and he's introduced as "skeptic".

This is followed by:

I swear, this Enjolras is such a meme!

I know it's 1964 Italy, but the way Combeferre looks at Enjolras after telling Grantaire believes in him is... both indecipherable and soo clear, it makes you wonder the intended meaning.

And this is just the first "Oh" moment, trust me... It gets fruitier. XD

"Drink and shut it"

Here is where Grantaire can finally shine. Just give him a reason to talk and it's over!

Poor Feuilly, I guess he's used to R making fun of him! But this mix of cynicism, carelessness and sarcasm is top Grantaire!

But you know what's even better?

Boom!

Bro went for him harder than expected and it made me laugh hysterically!

And it's not out of character, either: in the book, Enjolras can be pretty hard on Grantaire.

Now, I said it would get fruiterer and I must not disappoint you.

What a diva.

Also, I like the choice of both pairing love and drunkenness together, while also creating a dichotomy between the two states.

Dichotomy that can also turn both into the same thing:

You can read it in many different ways, it's such clever writing!

And then he's back being the careless drunkard we know and love:

[cull3nblaze]

Endless list of favourite characters

Here's the thing about me. You know the sound that a fork makes in the garbage disposal? That's the sound that my brain makes all the time. It's just this constant grinding about things I'm afraid of or things that I want or want to want or want to want to...

Chidi Anagonye (The Good Place)

[lonelywretchjervistetch]

...You ever see something in media that pissed you off so much, you were tempted to make a YouTube video about it? An adaptation of something you love that's been SO BADLY fucked over, you need to scream it into a screen to get your feelings out? A show that you had your hope up for, something that would inform your opinion of future media, then dashed that hope against the rocks like a god callously discarding a deformed child? YOU EVER SEE SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOU SO MAD, YOU MAKE HALF-BAKED REFERENCES TO GREEK MYTHOLOGY THAT MAKE NO SENSE, EVEN IN CONTEXT???

...

Creature Commandos really pissed me off.

The finale of Creature Commandos came out today, so I watched it and the previous episode (which I missed), only to turn out enraged, disappointed, and really worried about the DCU going forward. And yeah, I know, I'm a sad comic book nerd crying into the cybernetic void, as a percentage of us always does when the badaptation comes a-calling, but I'm normally a VERY positive person, and this show...this show.

This series stood on a cliff overlooking a vast ocean of possibilities, dove off with a beautiful arc, twisted and turned in the air gracefully and poetically, and as it approached the surface of the water, SMASHED INTO A ROCK FACE-FUCKING-FIRST, AND IT WASN'T PRETTY!!! Ugh. I hate complaining like this, because I know it's cringe, I know it doesn't matter, I know that most people don't care, and I'm sure a lot of people disagree with me. But this made me so upset. I'm tempted to write a whole goddamn essay about it, honestly. I just had to get SOMETHING out to vent, because...I hated this. I really goddamn hated this, and I may not have felt this way if not for the ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT ENDING that we got.

Jesus tap-dancing Christ. I'm probably gonna write that essay.

[rosewind2007]

I loved Sherlock Holmes in the original books, which I first read in the 1970s

My Doctor (in my heart) will always truly be Tom Baker

Loki was one of my favourite (not technically a god) gods some three decades before the Marvel Cinematic Universe was even a thing

I argued as a child about whether Darth Vader could have a redemption arc

I read and re-read my 1990s copy of Good Omens until it fell apart

I am OLD, and damnit—if they do make Murderbot into a TV series I will welcome newcomers to the fandom with arms wide open: because they’ll have very bit as much right to be in it as anyone else

[sunsis]

List of Book series that HBO/Max (or any other streaming service) could adapt into a popular show/franchise instead of making another tired reboot

(I am aware that there was an Artemis Fowl movie and I have elected to ignore that abomination the same way we ignored the Percy Jackson movies. Maybe a series could redeem it too)

[rhaenicentpilled]

DID you guys know a murderbor tv series is in the works???

Thank you to the enlighten reddit post WHY WAS THIS NEWS HIDDEN FROM ME

crazyyy stacked cast too??? By apple tv production???? Lowk have high high hopes ????

[mikey-way-enthusiast]

UM…??

[straightasaaro]

how I think the red queen live action will be like

Live action book series as tv shows have been stunningly mid lately due to low budgets, bad writing and a great misunderstanding of the book’s actual themes and plot. So here is what I think the red queen adaptation will look like

Mare Barrow will have one older brother and one younger sister instead of three older brothers because who needs side characters that show how the poor having larger families means bigger financial strain and also establishes how much Mare loves her family

Her lightning will be purple but the fact that she can produce it organically will be cut

Her fake silver backstory will be cut and just show her being immediately presented as a Silver

The names and houses of Silver nobility will be cut and their powers will just be shown for viewers to figure it out themselves

The betrayal scene will be underdeveloped and mostly be off shock value

mysteries unraveled in the books like the fate of Sara skonos and what happened to cal’s mom will be revealed immediately, like as soon as the question is presented

the war against the lakelands will be surface level only and we’ll probably never even know the country that they’re fighting against name

Evangeline will be bitch only and shoe horn her way into mare’s relationship with the brothers for drama

That one time Evangeline beat mare in combat training will be cut as well

finally increased scenes of mare with the brothers for maximum fancams that will serve as free advertising because that’s what the kids like these days right? White boys fighting over a girl?

oh and six episodes, 40-50 minutes long each.

[himboraccoon]

the thing about adaptation discourse (specifically with pjo but this can apply to others i've seen) is that people fail to realize:

a) they are adapting it for a NEW audience. and

b) they are making it fresh for the ORIGINAL audience!

as much as people say they want a 99% accurate representation of a book to screen, be for real that would just be boring!!!! knowing every plot twist every turn every development would get tired sooo fast. by adding changes however minor or major to themes, plot, details, WHATEVER, it makes it fun while still keeping the heart of the thing! maybe i'm just an optimist but holy shit it's so fun to be taken on a whole new journey while still knowing where they'll end up, but being able to be surprised by what may happen to get there! i audibly gasp in delight when things happen that weren't in the books. i LIKE being surprised and falling in love with something all over again for new reasons. especially in a book to tv format, there's so much room to add, to develop, and to REdevelop aged out moments of the books!

tl;dr be kind to adaptations. just. just shhhh. it's okay. they can be good things on their own.