#Sysmeds

[fictionfreedom]

Violently slamming the fact that DID and other "Dissociative Disorders" related to Plurality were made by Ableist doctors who believed in "False Memories" and had MANY patients come out about being abused and/or the Integration forced upon them causing them to be unable to function due to the lack of their Headmates

Anyways, please read This, I feel it helped give a lot of light on why you honestly shouldn't bother interacting much with 'Anti-endos' and 'Sysmeds'

I know we posted the link before but certain,, posts keep popping up on our dashboard.

(The link outside of text: https://www.astraeasweb.net/plural/allison.html)

Also, for anyone who does read that I feel the need to say (if the information does actually reach you): Do NOT be ashamed at using the term DID for yourself, or anything mentioned to be "Bad" in that text. If you can go without using it, obviously it could be great if you would, but if it's the most comfortable term for you then you're under no obligation to stop using it for others comfort. Same goes for plenty of other stuff.

Also: Go check out the other plural post we made, Specifically the one mention Layman's Guide To Multiplicity. (Though, if you can't find it, here's the Link) ((Note: The website doesn't load very well on Mobile, so you may have trouble reading it on a phone. It's still able to be read, but it may feel a bit annoying))

[cardinal-bluejay]

“Endos” stop pretending to have disorders challenge GO

You do NOT have ‘CDD’ AND ‘OSDDID’ YOURE FUCKING STUPID!!!

You all need to be 5150’d to see how ACTUAL mentally ill people act. You stupid fucking anime kawaii core cutesy bitches. DID ISNT all trauma and anger and anguish but holy SHIT this isn’t a fanfic crossover 24/7 in your head. You fucking stupid pieces of SHIT.

[theswiftheartsystem]

Just a reminder: Not every OSDD-1 system fits under 1a or 1b. Yes those labels are helpful, however, not everyone fits under that, nor should we force them. All that OSDD-1 means, is that it’s nearly DID, but doesn’t fit the entire criteria. Saying anyone who doesn’t fit in one of two narrow labels is faking, is silly.

[systeminquiry]

How 'Sysmed' is a Transphobic Term

Transmedicalists are and have been deeply harmful to the rest of the transgender community because they believe you have to medically transition to be trans, and they push this idea onto other transgender people. CDD systems are trying to spread the most current scientifically-backed information about how systems form and function as the result of severe, repeated trauma.

Pluralpedia claims that the term 'sysmed' is modeled after transmed because both believe that "a certain phenomenon is only valid if they fit precise medical definitions and ideals." This is a false equivalence; a transmedicalist's ideology of precision and adhering to certain societal ideals, versus a severely traumatized person who wants to share what the consensus from legitimate research means about becoming a system, are not at all on the same level in terms of causing harm.

'Sysmed' wrongfully equates an extremely harmful, hateful ideology to CDD systems combating misinformation in their community. The term is especially harmful when used against a transgender system - you're roping them in with transmedicalists when the vast majority of trans systems are just living their lives. This is wrong to do and causes harm to trans people with CDDs. This makes it transphobic. Hope that helps

[sophieinwonderland]

The "Sysmed is Transphobic" Line Has to be Willful Ignorance, Right?

Sysmeds seem to have reading comprehension problems, so let me try to break this down as much as I possibly can!

Most of the systems who started using the word sysmeds are transgender. Transgender systems can't steal terms from themselves!

Many were victims of transmeds.

Transmed ideology claims that the only possible way to be a trans is through a disorder. Sysmed ideology claims the only possible way to be a system is through a disorder. Both use near-identical arguments and tactics.

"Gender identity disorder" was a diagnosis in the DSM until 2013. "Transexualism" was a disorder in the ICD-11 until 2019. Being transgender no longer being treated as a mental disorder is a relatively recent development. But these diagnoses helped fuel transmedicalism.

Sysmeds and transmeds both deny science and expert opinions that contradict their beliefs.

To date, every single expert commenting on multiplicity outside of dissociative disorders has either been neutral, acknowledging it as a possibility, or has affirmed it to be a real psychological phenomenon. There are ZERO experts who have supported hard anti-endo stances.

There is one reason and one reason only that sysmeds always resort to this buzzword salad of accusing primarily-queer systems who use the term of being transphobic and ableist...

And that's because you hate looking in the mirror and realizing that you are just as vile and disgusting as the bigots who have mistreated you.

You want a pass to use transmed arguments and talking points without anyone pointing out the similarities. And when systems, most of whom are queer themselves, point out the similarities, you try to paint those queer systems as queerphobic for pointing it out.

If you yourself faced hate from transmeds, I find it pretty sad that your only takeaway from the experience was "transmeds are bad because they targeted me specifically," and then chose to adopt their same tactics to use on another group.

[theconstellarium]

I found this comment on Reddit & I think this is about all that needs to be said regarding sysmeds, transphobes, and any randos who feel the need to chime in on the topic of YOUR identity:

[scarlet97531]

So true past us, so fucking true.

[daybreaksys]

"It's always the systems making drama"

Correction: sysmeds. It's always sysmeds making drama.

For context: the seal twitter discord servers are moderated by sysmeds, and they forbid endogenic and non-disordered systems in the written rules of the servers

We tried joining and it was horrible. We pointed out the sysmed rules, they said we made "baseless claims", we pointed them the LITERAL RULES written in the rules channel, they lied abd told others we didn't respond when asked for proof.

Anyway, as long as you are moderated by a literal hate group, there will always be drama, there is no way around it.

[bubblegum-bros-sys]

Some types of switching for us

[tuonelabound]

plural lawyer call that a justice system

[dreamcircuitsys]

DID is fucking with my gender rlly bad and my friend said I should reach out so. Trans systems with complicated genders reblog so I know ur out there???

I would love to hear ur experiences bc I’m getting my ass kicked by gender

[loveloveplural]

plurality is not defined by switching.

plurality is not defined by headcount.

plurality is not defined by an inner world.

plurality is not defined by distinct headmates.

plurality is not defined by communication.

plurality is not defined by getting along internally.

plurality is not defined by an origin.

plurality is defined by multiple consciousnesses/identities in one body. if you say you’re plural, we and many, many others will always believe you. no two plurals are the same, and no one can tell you what you are or aren’t 💞

[the-hadal-zone-sys]

Happy pride month to insystem couples & polycules btw.

[v-is-for-vivienne]

to kids who liked Inside Out growing up; how's plurality treating you?

[sophieinwonderland]

I'm pro-endo, but I do think that the term "sysmed" is transphobic. I know that anti-endos who force a medicalized view of plurality are harmful, but they will never compare to the harm that transmeds did, and will never even come close to the harm caused by medicalizing transness. "Sysmeds" aren't the result of a vaguely homophobic ideology that strips away the bodily autonomy of gay trans people due to our supposed "fetish" for "real" gay people. Sysmeds aren't what forces people to jump through so many extra hoops for necessary medical care like transmeds are. Sysmeds aren't what gives me a strong fear of the irl gay and/or trans community. As bad as some anti-endo might be, please don't call them a sysmed.

Personally, I feel a lot of the differences you highlight are more due to the scale of the communities.

I've interacted with and seen so many pro-endo and mixed origin DID systems who are scared to interact with online DID communities. Even posting in DID tags here on Tumblr is something many pro-endos with DID are terrified too.

And the only reason this doesn't transfer to IRL plural communities as much... is because there really aren't IRL plural communities yet.

Systems are fakeclaimed so much that most systems don't feel safe coming out IRL, and organization is difficult. But I believe that's going to change which only increases their potential for harming the community. But even putting aside the potential future harm, I feel you're understating the harm already caused to the plural and DID communities.

But to discuss this, it's important to acknowledge that there is a larger divide here than just being pro and anti-endo.

The hatred for groups like The Plural Association isn't simply born of endophobia, but of a larger medicalist philosophy. For this reason, the word "sysmed" is more than just about the comparison. For a few common philosophies included in that framework:

Parts Language is treated as objective fact, and systems who don't use parts language are shamed for it. For the few system medicalists who believe endogenic plurality might exist, this is used as a dividing line. "Endogenic systems are people but CDD systems are part, so therefore we're different." The problem with this is that it erases the many systems who identify as people. Remember: CDD systems identified as different people FIRST, and were later labeled as only parts by psychiatrists.

The biggest threat to CDD systems is people pretending to be systems. The myth that there are a ton of people faking out there faking DID, and therefore making it harder to be diagnosed, is everywhere in these spaces.

The Shame Criterion. Some questionable studies were conducted into diagnosed systems that were deemed to be "imitative DID." The claim is that one difference between "imitative DID" and "genuine" DID is that people with genuine DID are ashamed of their symptoms. These have been passed around in system medicalist spaces, and raised suspicion towards any systems who are too proud or overt. (This is harmful to any attempt at plural rights because it immediately casts doubt on any systems who aren't ashamed enough. It also ignores that people who are isolated without a community of people with similar experiences will be more ashamed than those who have people with similar experiences.)

Dismissing Mixed Origin systems as endogenic. This, while tied to the endogenic question, isn't about it directly. Individuals that believe in endogenic plurality and think it should be kept separate are sure to keep mixed origin systems on the "endogenic" side. They would prefer people with spiritual beliefs about their systemhood, even if diagnosed with DID, to not be allowed into DID spaces. This is a direct threat to the ability of these systems to seek medical care for their disorders.

For all of these reasons and more, the term "sysmed" is about a larger philosophical divide between them and the inclusive plural community than just whether endogenic systems exist or not.

More than just harassment and bullying online, if doctors are aware of and listening to medicalist rhetoric, this could further harm CDD systems who seek diagnosis, reinforcing the myth that there's a DID fad and systems seeking help are jumping on a trend.

The McLean Hospital video that fakeclaimed diagnosed DID systems on TikTok for not being ashamed enough of their systems was PROMOTED here on Tumblr and reblogged by system medicalists, as well as posted to sysmed hubs like r/systemscringe.

This was a video that was deemed so harmful by the institution that posted it that they took it down the next day, but that hasn't stopped others from using it and spreading it as an example of a wave of DID fakers.

This directly resulted in DID TikTokers facing harassment.

And it could make doctors even more hesitant to diagnose people with DID because of the perceived influx of fakers.

It's impossible to measure the impact of system medicalists spreading the video, or the impact of their other rhetoric, but the fact is that their beliefs and the content they spread further stigmatizes all systems who don't conform perfectly to what's perceived as the medical model, and supports ideas that make it more difficult for many systems who would benefit from medical treatment to get it.

[hivequeer]

Stop making fictives change their names

This is coming from a system that is bodily japanese (the culture most referenced in this debate)

Headmates from foreign media should not be forced to change their names. It's dangerous, especially for newly discovered fictives.

Not only that, but japanese is not a closed culture. It's very much open, especially to westerners

Fictives and systems are not here to appeal to others. Using names from foreign cultures in a respectful way harms nobody. POC have bigger issues to worry about, especially now.

Destigmatizing foreign names helps everybody. Doing so helps immigrants who have been forced to adopt a eurocentric name, POC children who have been given western names and feel disconnected from their culture, and any POC who has felt discriminated against because of their name.

Don't feel pressured to change ur name to suit others. You deserve to go by whatever name you want and you shouldn't b forced to give up such an integral part of ur identity

Red text: Kyoko

Purple text: Rose