#SpindleHorse critical

[pleasantspark]

This is something I find hilarious. Viv had actively talked shit about Dana and now that she's became part of the Indie Animation sphere the same sphere Viv claimed to care and love. It's fucking hilarious to make matters even more better it's with GLITCH PRODUCTIONS the studio whose done better in terms of what Viv wants to do with Spindlehorse.

The same studio that gave us SGM4 and TADC? GLITCH PRODUCTIONS OUTLIVED SML AND OVERTOOK HAZBIN. I'm not even mad this is just hilarious.

It gives vibes of someone in a friend group talking shit about someone and they walk in. I'm like 100% on board with ANYONE from outside the indie sphere being brought onto projects. Dana knows LGBTQ+ rep. I may have not watched Owl House but the REP is better then what Hazbin did.

Real deal though. I was wondering if anyone wanted me to ask Glitch if they could help me make my series come true? Like I had a idea for psychological horror with this old ARG I now want to make into Indie Animation. If anyone wants to see that just send in a reply.

Glitch or anyone adjacent if you're reading this. I have an idea for a series I want to take off.

[strangegardendelusion]

So, to be honest, do we even know stella species supposed to be? I mean, her brother is a peacock, but stella looks nothing like a female peacock.

> I took the 3 biggest guesses on what she supposed to be swan, peacock (peahens), and secretary bird to see what matches her more

> stella beak matches the swan beak

> her long eye lashes matches sercerty bird long eye lashes

> stella dress I put a question mark on because it quite a hot mess of feathers that could be all 3

> stella arm sleeve remind me of the servertary bird legs

> her hair reminds me of when peahen show off their back feathers like the male peacock. But halfway though, I decided that sounded insane, so I also put a question mark on her, saying it could be all 3.

I decided to include pilot stella and see how much she looked like a peahen.

> I realized the crown thing both pilot and canon stella wear could be based on crown looking thing on top of the peahen head

> her face marking where it goes down her face really looks peahen face markings

> again, with my theory, her hair is based on peahen showing off their back feathers like the male peacock

> pilot stella eyeshadow matches the blue on peahen neck

> the gray on her dress also match the gray on peahen body

> the white on stella matches peahen white as well

My theory:

I do believe pilot stella species is peahen, but when they started to redesign her for the show, the team decided to make her a hybrid of some kind.

However, while typing this, I realized if stella is a hybrid, that means her brother andrealphus is a hybrid as well.

Unless, of course, andrealphus is her half-brother or stepbrother. But the show does implied they are blood related.

So, I'm also leaning towards stella is actually a peahen. The team just had difficulty designing her to look like one, so they just picked the best one.

[fortunelowtier]

Ok so i saw a post mentioning how Spindlehorse was hiring animators again, and i thought "huh yknow im really curious what the turnover rate of animators is in this studio" because i mean its a genuine question considering how i swear theyre hiring new animators every other week

So then i checked IMDB...

Before i go on i wanna put some context because its kinda needed for what im about to say:

On IMDB there's a section of the cast and crew page labeled "Series Animation Department". This is the section meant primarily for animators and storyboarders among other jobs in the same vein.

Now. Can you guess how many animators/storyboarders Helluva Boss has gone through in less than 2 seasons?

444.

That is four hundred and forty-four individual credits, a majority of whom didn't stay for any longer than a few episodes. I have never in my life seen an animator turnover rate this skewed.

But i saw this and i went "well it cant be that bad right, what about other shows?" because admittedly i didnt know a lot about animation so for all i knew this was normal. So i went to the IMDB pages of other animated shows

RWBY: 164 credited animators over 9 seasons

Murder Drones: 11 Animators over 7 episodes

The Owl House: 88 Animators over 3 seasons

Amphibia: 73 over 3 seasons

Steven Universe: 44 over 5 seasons

And just to be fair let's include Hazbin Hotel, which had 62 in 1 season

This means that for one reason or another Helluva Boss has gone through more animators in less than 2 seasons than shows that ran for SIGNIFICANTLY longer go through in their entire lifespan by several times and that astounds me

[theoddest1]

Lmaoooo

Edit:

Samantha is a Story Artist, Animator, and Animation BFA who works for Viv on both HH and HB.

2nd Edit: Some of y'all need to chill in the comments with certain things you say. It ain't finna make any point come across decently with how you spread some info. I get being mad at some of the reactions, don't get me wrong, but bring it back down slow plz.

[maniwannadiezz]

guys,, guys,… it’s the Hazbin Mrs. Hellluva boss

can’t wait for people to unironically draw her to really get the h8er that is me. Little do you know I can bait you into it while also being critical of the show 🥺😰

Anyways is she annoyingly red enough? Does she hit all the markers? :))

bonus: she’s a zombie somehow. I dunno you figure that out on your own.

[bump-inthe-night]

Vivziepop fans claiming adding black features to her black characters would’ve made it “too difficult” to animate them is a hilarious excuse considering this is the same woman who had characters like these animated:

Another excuse fans have been using is that Vivziepop’s art style is “unsuitable” for black characters, despite her crew members proving otherwise: 

No art style is "unsuitable" for black characters because it's the artist's responsibility to learn how to draw them in their style. There's no excuse for black characters not looking black in your style.

Vivziepop could draw black features in her style but CHOSE not to, hence why none of the black characters look black outside their skin color, which sometimes they don't even have.

[showtoonzfan]

A recent article came out about the mistreatment and pay of Spindlehorse employees, please spread this around.

[uniquepeanutcreatorfire]

Check out this Sinsmas rewrite

[uninformedartist]

The call is coming from inside the house

Oh she's definitely still salty she got called out for hiring a Proshipper cos she's one too & one thing about Proshippers, they defend their peoples.

[xjulixred45x]

Spindlehorse's lazyness to actually make a scene and not copy-paste/tracing already existing scene FROM THEIR OWN UNIVERSE is Amazing.

[starlight-bread-blog]

I know we aren't supposed to cheer but... TELL HIM!!

[crooked-wasteland]

Octavia: You can have your happy life, I'm just not going to be a part of it.

The fans: Octavia is so in the wrong for that!

Those.... Those are just basic boundaries. It's not even about him being with Blitz, it's about how Stolas abandoned her to die for Blitz and gave her a life that was nothing but a lie. No one is obligated to have you in their life. Not even parents.

[artisticdoofusxx]

Real picture of Viv trying not to make a POC religious figure into a skinny white blonde guy

[imaginative-123]

Vivziepop glazers will basically downvote you and make excuses if you call out the sexist writing on how Viv writes her gay men, btw this is from r/CharacterRant

Edit: Minors do not interact, reblog or like my post bec I will block you.

I'm pretty sure if OP posted it in the main sub Hazbin Hotel, he might as well get downvoted for sure despite being an SA Victim. Viv Glazers surely never failed to disappoint me and I'm so glad Tumblr exist bc this is the website where you're allowed to rant about Viv and her shows. FUCK THIS SHIT MAN. Maybe Viv Glazers should learn that people have different perspectives and actual issues in her works. VIV is not a SAINT OR GOD you GLAZERS! GET THAT IN YOUR DAMN HEAD FUCK I HATE THIS FANBASE IT JUST MADE ME MAD.

Edit: About to go to sleep since I will finish my work tom my comment just got 16 upvotes I guess glazers must've realized I got a point LMAO.

Also the comments that got downvoted who point out the issues in Viv's writing got upvoted including OP's comment on Stolitz in regards to sexual coercion since there's also a person who denied the r@pe got upvoted before hours later got downvoted and it shocked me why people would upvote that comment that screams mental gymastics to defend a Ship that is made through sexual coercion that includes the class difference and power dynamic. The post from CharacterRant sub got people's opinions turn into 180 I guess bc they realized the other people like me who point out the issues and have concerns about the show might as well have a reason the shows that Viv write is not really good most especially when it's related to queer representation and SA.

Lastly the point of this post is to showcase the double standards in the fandom on how they view criticisms most especially when you apply that to stans/glazers who refused to see the actual criticisms and think it's mixed with the so called "haters" when I myself am a fan of Viv's work but also recently gotten more critical bc the roses tinted glass fell off when I start to analyze Viv's behavior online including her shows. So if you think this post is just whiny, egotistical and immature, sure tell me that, I'm not perfect and I accept that but that wouldn't changed my issues with the Standom's behavior that invalidates valid criticisms that critics like me have been voicing for years nor how the Fanbase has gotten even way more toxic over the discourse surrounding Viv's immature behavior including how divided the fanbase is, let's not forget the Standom's cultish behaviour to defend Vivziepop from any form of valid criticism, btw I also don't agree with other critics all the time but I can also see when there is criticism that is valid. So before anyone accuses critics for being "haters" maybe try and understand where we were coming from, the people became critics are also fan of Viv's work, if I was truly a hater then I wouldn't reblogged or like fanarts of the show including listening to musicals from Viv's work, just bc I'm a fan doesn't mean I have no right to voice my concerns over Viv including her work. Sometimes Stans should understand that fans can like the work but also criticize it.

Also the mods from CharacterRant removed the post from an SA Victim, damn for a sub that is supposed to make essays of your issues from any media, they would sure remove a post from an SA Victim's issues with Angel Dust's character. Truly the most Hypocritical moment from that sub.

[maniwannadiezz]

The laziness with fem presenting styles is just as annoying as the masc one…

They all have the same fashion sense… if you think about it most of these outfits could be swapped with maybe a few colour tweaks and you wouldn’t see much of a fashion difference. As if it never even was a consideration in developing their personalities.

Practically the same … and she is considered royalty or at least someone at pop stardom?

BONUS: I’m sure we have all gotten quite sick of the “X”s all over the place… Cherri, Vaggie, Verosika, Carmine

[thowawayuntilfurthernotice]

I didn’t think it was possible, but Viv managed to find a way to make me hate her writing more than I already did.

Great job Viv.