#Cistrans

[contradictory-label-culture-is]

contradictory label culture is absolutely HATING the whole non-man/non-woman thing.

REALL 🗣️🔥🔥

[cloudboundcritters]

"I support lesboys as long they are not cisgender MEN" 🤦‍♂️

sorry buddy but i have something to tell you. intersex lesboys who are cis men exist, multigender lesboys who are cis men exist, and cistrans lesboys exist. (these are examples of cis lesboys that came up first, feel free to add more)

besides, even if every single cis lesboy on the planet is perisex and monogender, why do you immediately assume they are "creepy men invading lesbian spaces" or some shit like that?

[gnc-culture-is]

Being gender non conforming and cis doesn’t mean somebody is a trans egg AND also they are not a traitor to their previous identity if they end up being one.

Being gender non conforming and trans doesn’t mean somebody is about to detransition AND they are not a traitor if they end up detransitioning.

Being a man and a woman or any other kind of multigender is not a contradictory state of being, likewise. Being isogender or cistrans is a fine thing to be and I love you.

Throw off the shackles that suggest you must be one or the other and that transformation of any kind is a betrayal of how you once were.

[ugly-anarchist]

While yes intersex people can use intersex as their gender identity, that isn't what intersex is. Intersex is a natural biological variation that cannot be transitioned into or out of. It is a description of the natural state of our bodies. It is the same as me being autistic, white, and short. These are descriptions of things about me that I cannot change but are still important facets of my life as a human being. (Obviously some are more important than others)

(While the body can be changed, there are separate words for someone who willingly changes the natural state of their body, like altersex. Intersex people can also be altersex.)

On the other hand, gender identity and transness are personal identifiers that can be chosen. (And by chosen I mean that while you can't choose your gender you can choose the label you use for it) And it is also fluid and can change over time. Gender looks different for everyone and isn't based on any material thing that can be observed in the physical world. Gender is based more-so in what makes you happiest, and the most satisfied with your life. Gender is just as real as everything else I've mentioned, but it's just not a physical thing.

This is why transness is self determined and intersexuality is not.

Trans and cis are adjectives that describe a person's experience with their gender. A trans man/woman is just a man/woman who has a different experience with their gender than cis people do.

But if a person exists who is rejected by both cis and trans people, then what are they? What are they supposed to do? How are they supposed to identify? Cis and trans as labels were not designed with intersex people in mind and often do not fit our experiences, but we're forced to use this binary because perisex trans people insist that you must be one if you're not the other.

But, trans people also insist that being intersex is inherently trans. Any deviation from the sex binary is seen as trans. Intersex history is seen as trans history, intersex animals are called biologically trans, and intersex experiences and terms are often taken by trans people and applied to themselves.

We're inherently trans but the trans experience is inherently a perisex one. Our experiences are identical to trans experiences but only trans people are allowed to say that. Our bodies are deemed the ideal trans bodies but the natural state of our bodies is used as proof that we don't fit in with trans people. Trans people wish they could gain access to the violence done to our bodies. Our bodies are held up as proof that gender and sex is a spectrum but if we talk about our complicated experiences with sex and gender then we're called terf psyops and cis invaders.

Where exactly are intersex people supposed to fit into the trans/cis binary? Our experiences cannot be defined in the same way that perisex trans people define themselves.

When an intersex person identifies as transfem when they were afab or as transmasc while they were amab or calls themselves cistrans or transmascfem or transfemmasc, this isn't an attempt to invade spaces we don't belong or destroy the trans community. We're trying to describe our very complicated experiences with gender with the limited tools that we have, the tools that have been forced on us but simultaneously denied to us.

Can we just let intersex trans people have their weird gender labels in peace? This isn't about you, it's not an attack on you or your community, it's just us trying to exist comfortably.

[thermodynamic-comedian]

its important that u all understand that if "some girls have facial hair" is normal and good, then "some girls want to have facial hair" is also normal and good. wanting to have facial hair/a deep voice/big muscles/a flat chest isn't always indicative of being a man. im cistrans, im a girl, i wanna look like hasan piker. i still dont wanna be perceived as male, i still dont wanna be referred to as he/him, i just wanna be a girl that looks like hasan piker. that doesnt change the fact that im a girl

[meeb-motes]

Hellooo, could you do your silly little flag emojis w contradicting identities? :3 Like turigirl, lesboy, bigay, straightbian, cistrans etc. Thank you, take you time.

Lesboy, Turigirl, Bi-gay, Bi-lesbian, Straightbian, Straightcian, Cistrans, Cusper f-l-a-g emojis

We l-o-v-e contradictory labels btw

requests are o-p-e-n

[pupiipawzz]

i love you homoflexibles, i love you heteroflexibles, i love you mspec lesbians and gays, i love you lesboys and turigirls, i love you transcis people, i love you pansexuals, i love you gaybians, i love you aroallos, i love you afab transfems and amab transmascs, i love you if your identity is contradictory or confusing or mistaken for another identity

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[zootzbootz]

"you can't be bi and lesbian!"

"you can't be straight and gay!"

"you can't be allo and aspec!"

"you can't be a lesbian man!"

"you can't be a vincian woman!"

"you can't be cis and trans!"

multigender, abrosexual, and varioriented people have left the chat

In all reality, "contradictory" labels and the people who use them are wonderful/gen

[clowncary]

choosing to not transition in my gender to spite transmeds and weird trans separatism in the community will always be a better act of rebellion than becoming cis passing to still be treated like trash.

[satyrradio]

intersex cistrans flag

[genderqueerdykes]

genuine question about some identities

why do you think theres so much hate for people who are afab/amab and are also trans women/men, those who are cistrans and multigender people?

ive noticed that when you tell certain queer people you'd think wouldn't be exclusionist that your gender is funky and you're trans bc of it, they begin to use your assigned sex and your biology against you because "you can't be a trans woman if you have a uterus, ur just feminine".

its the same argument as conservatives make it. why is there so much hate?

ppl don't acknowledge my individual genders but instead see how they work alongside each other. ppl don't see me as a trans woman when my gender is woman but will acknowledge me as a trans man because of my sex traits.

these are some very important questions to ask, i appreciate you for sending this ask

i honestly think more people are becoming indoctrinated into transmedicalist and gender critical thinking without realizing it, and it's becoming dangerous. people want to inherently label an afab transfem and/or an amab transmasc as liars, people who are spitting in the faces of others, and shouldn't be a part of our community. other people make assumptions about others' experiences based on their own and don't understand that there is an entire world outside of their perspective, and that world is full of experiences they have no hope of understanding, but can simply accept.

i've gotten a lot of questions about whether afab trans women and amab trans men can exist, it's definitely a hot button issue right now, and i agree with you. if you ask me, afab trans women and amab trans men deserve to have a platform to speak from. if someone genuinely believes their identity is trans no matter what their AGAB is- who the hell am i to stop them? it's important for afab trans women and amab trans men to not speak over their other siblings and try to speak for what it's like to be intersex or an amab trans woman/afab trans man. but that doesn't mean that these people can't exist- they deserve the right to talk about their experience, because it exists alongside the experiences of amab trans women and afab trans men. they're not fighting with each other, they're unique experiences that belong under the same umbrella.

at the end of the day, someone standing there being an afab trans woman, an amab trans man, or a cistrans person is not hurting anyone. the identity itself will hurt no one. ignorance about what other trans people experience is dangerous, and so is speaking over others, but these identities in and of themselves are not harming anyone. it is very possible to go "i don't understand how that works, but if that is how they identify, then i will respect that."

between people becoming indoctrinated into radical feminism and people who are proudly adopting gender critical politics, there is a schism in our communities that don't need to be there. people think they need to "weed out the fakes" in order for us to be accepted by cishet society, which is just not how any of this works. we can't cast aside the queers who are "too weird" or "not really queer" in order to try to make the rest of the community look legitimate

this community has always been here for people whose identities don't line up with the cisheteronormative binary. it doesn't matter what someone's AGAB is- i mean, isn't that the point of the trans community? are we not the "i don't give a shit about your AGAB, i want to know who you really are" community? it's become honestly scary to see how focused the queer community has become on AGAB. people are utterly obsessed with trying to figure out the AGABs of strangers in order to deny them access to queer spaces or kick them out of spaces they rightfully belong in

and it bothers me deeply that people police the identities of multigender people beyond belief. it's like having 1 trans identity is okay but if you dare to have more than one, you're not really queer or whatever. cistrans people, multigender people who are cis, trans wo/men who consider both their manhood and womanhood trans no matter what their AGAB is, transfemmasc/transmascfem people... these identities belong and yet people proudly and gladly wake up every day to do conservatives' jobs for them.

whenever you police another queer person's identity, no matter what your intention is, good, bad or something else- you are doing conservatives' jobs for them. you are not preserving our community. you are not keeping identities sacred or safe or whatever the hell. you're gladly sucking up to our oppressors and spreading their propaganda. it's disturbing how people don't realize this

thank you for taking the time to send this ask, i agree with you 100%. this behavior has gotten out of control and it's time for people to wake the fuck up and realize they've been indoctrinated into transmedicalism, radical feminism, and being gender critical. this isn't the "right" way to behave. it's antithetical to the very foundations of the queer community.

[astral-arbour-system]

Hate when anti bi lesbians are like "it's just as stupid as saying you're cis and trans"

Because actually you can be cis and trans. Systems, genderfluid and multigender people, intersex people, etc etc.

And you know they're never going to listen because they already can't handle one "complex" identity.

[wheelie-sick]

"poll question

cis option

trans option"

[ID: someone smashing a button labeled "other"]

peace and love on planet earth I am intersex 💛💜

[thermodynamic-comedian]

most people don't have a problem with me calling myself a girlboy, but somehow calling myself cistrans is way more controversial. like guys. i identify as multiple genders. one of those genders is the one i was assigned at birth. the other one is not. there is also other stuff going on. what would you have me call myself if not a cistrans girlboy

[cat-doggy]

woops just found out I'm bigender in a cis demigirl + trans agender boy kinda way

[intersexfairy]

sending love and support to cis intersex people with dysphoria <3 your intersex body is wonderful, AND you deserve to do whatever you need to feel at home in your body and mind.

you can use different pronouns, you can wear different clothing, you can put on makeup, you can go on HRT, you can get affirming procedures or prosthetics. you can do none of that and just focus on accepting and taking care of yourself. whatever would make you happiest and healthiest! because that's what matters.