#ultergender

[fun-eralsss]

thank you!

being intersex is quite possibly the most isolating thing i’ve ever experienced. all my life, i felt alone. that no one in the world knew what was wrong with me. that i was a weird, abnormal freak.

i felt horrible. and so, i made sure that i would make people like me feel seen

every day, i see people sharing the terms i created, talking about how relatable they are. when i first saw someone talking about how seen they felt (i love you smilepilled!!!!) my heart was a damn opera, it was singing so much!

while things are pretty bad right now, i’m grateful to have provided a little bit of comfort to those who need it

with that being said…

i love you “broken women”

i love you “failed men”

i love you “deformed weirdos”

i love you “DSD males”

i love you “DSD females”

i love you “irl futa(nari)s”

i love you hermaphrodites (with attitude!)

i love you diseased freaks

i love you XTFs

i love you XTMs

i love you XTXs

i love you AMAB transmascs

i love you AFAB transfems

i love you trans intersex people

i love you ipsogender people

i love you ultergender people

i love you cistrans people

i love you intersex people <3

intersexuals; the best thing since sliced bread!

[isobug]

Caedulter and Caedipso

( Image 1 ID: A five striped flag, the colors going as follows from top to bottom, purple, yellow, white, yellow, purple. From the left side, there are blocks on each stripe incrementally increasing in length and becoming lighter gray prior to the center stripe, then decreasing in length and becoming darker gray after the center stripe. End ID. )

( Image 2 ID: A mostly purple flag with a yellow circle with a plus inside of it. There are also blocks on the left side of the flag, incrementally increasing in length and becoming lighter gray prior to the circle, and then decreasing in length and becoming darker gray after the circle. End ID. )

Caedulter: An intersex individual who at one point, was Transgender, but due to trauma ( from their own Intersex experiences, Intersexism within Trans- spaces*, etc. ) is now Ultergender. May also be spelled Caedoulter.

Caedipso: An intersex individual who at one point, was Cisgender, but due to trauma ( from their own Intersex experiences, Intersexism from Perisex Cisgender individuals, etc. ) is now Ipsogender. May also be spelled Caedoipso.

Any other Intersex people may use these if you feel like you connect with them! Similar to other Caed- / Caedo- terms, you do not need to be specific or open about your trauma at all.

These are terms that are roughly based on the other existing Caed- / Caedo- terms but with slightly modified language. They are based off of my personal experiences ( Caedulter) and one of my friend's ( Caedipso ) so please be respectful.

( Perisex people do not be weird, these aren't for you. )

*if you have an issue with the wording here I encourage you to read this addition before jumping to harassing me or others.

Taglist - @interarchive, @radiomogai, @revenant-coining

[intervex]

Inter-transgender, trans-intergender, trans-intersexual, etc

Following up my post about the difference between demi-intergender and inter-demigender, here's one for transness thanks to an anonymous request 🩷

This post is long because there are several of terms to differentiate! This one is complex because of how "trans" has multiple meanings. I'll cover some ways that transness and intersexness can combine:

Inter-transgender (intertrans): when an intersex person is transgender in any sort of way, and this transness is connected or linked to being intersex.

This includes intersex people who feel trans because of a forced medical transition (mistransition/distransition).

This includes ipsotrans/exparium people: intersex people whose gender is the same as their AGAB but are trans.

This flag design follows the pattern of the interfluid, interdemigender, etc flags. It takes the transgender flag and adds intersex yellow stripes to top and bottom to signify it is an intersex/intergender version of transgender.

Hex codes: #FFFFFF #F5A9B8 #5BCEFA from trans flag, #FDD70A from intersex/intergender flags. ***

Inter-ultergender (interultergender): when an intersex person has a gender that is different from the one they were assigned at birth (ultergender) and this feels connected or linked to being intersex (intergender). This is ultergender in an intergender way.

Like above, I took the ultergender flag and added yellow stripes to give it an intergender flavour. Note: (inter-)ultergender people may or may not identify as trans. Ultergender does include trans people. Ultergender hex codes: #FFF378 #A263BD ***

Transgender-intersex (trans-intersex, ultertrans): an intersex person "whose gender identity does not match the one decided on by their doctors and/or parents at birth, and identifies as transgender and intersex at the same time." (@intersexfairy, 2021). Flag by Jesse Bananasaurus (2017).

This can be thought of as ultergender people who use the trans label, or ultertransgender.

Note that trans-intersex is not limited to people who feel their transness is related to being intersex. For example, somebody who is both trans and intersex, but feels that these two are completely unrelated from each other, would be trans-intersex and not intertrans.

Somebody who is trans, who transitioned, and then years later found out they are intersex, would also be trans-intersex.

Hex colours: same as inter-transgender. ***

Trans-intergender: when an intersex person changes/transitions from extergender to intergender. Extergender is when your gender is not influenced by being intersex; intergender is when it is.

For example: an intergender person who was assigned a binary gender at birth, who transitions from presumed extergender to becoming intergender/intersex-gender.

Another example would be an intersex transmasc who didn't know they were intersex until long after they did their gender transition, and then later got in touch with their intersex side.

Or, for another example, an intersex neutrois person who swore up and down during their gender transition that it was unrelated to being intersex (perhaps to access gender care) who later realizes or reveals they are intergender.

This flag design combines the intergender and extergender flags. The purple on the outside represents intergender. The white ring represents transition. The black in the centre represents extergender. ***

Trans-interine (transgender-inter, trans-intersexual): when an intersex person is trans, and their transition goal is their body's natural state - i.e. intersex/intergender/intersex-gender.

Per @intersexfairy (2021): trans-intersexual are intersex people "who feel as if they’re both biological sexes and do not fit into the categories of “male or female.” These people fit the categories of both intersex and transgender people."

Similar to how trans-feminine is a trans person who is feminine, trans-masculine is a trans person who is masculine, etc, I'm coining interine as a gender quality for intergender. This is an intersex-exclusive gender quality.

Trans-intersexual and trans-intersex tend to get (understandably) mixed up so I'm hoping interine is visually different enough to help out. Inter- in interine is for intergender, -ine is a common suffix for gender qualities (outherine, xenine, etc).

Trans-interine is a broader category than retrotransgender, a term I coined several months ago for intersex people like myself who transition to undo IGM/forced HRT/etc. Trans-interine would include intersex people who were free of coercive medical transition but are socially transitioning to be intergender.

This design follows the pattern of the four-stripe transmasc/transfem flags and the extended series posted by @ryanyflags in 2022. It replaces the two middle stripes that are used to indicate gender quality with the yellow and purple of the intersex & intergender flags.

Hex codes: #FDD70A #7A01AA from intersex/intergender flags, #FFFFFF #2b2d2c from trans* flags. ***

Intersex and trans (left), intergender and trans (right): flags for people who are both intersex and trans (left), or both intergender and trans (right).

Like trans-intersex, they do not imply a connection between the transness and the inter(sex|gender)-ness.

Unlike trans-intersex, these flags include ipsotrans people, and people who feel they are trans because of forced/coercive transition.

I've made these flags because I wanted ipsotrans & mistrans people to have options for flags. These flags follow the pattern of "stick icon in place of ring" to make X that is also intersex flags, like the flags for intersex & disabled, intersex & autistic, etc.

Table for reference

I hope this helps clarify how trans & intergender can be combined as terms (and flags)! Let me know if you want even more permutations of these concepts/flags 💜

Tagging @intersexflags @interarchive for archiving

[masquerade-flags]

Ultrans three different flag designs

Ultrans - using both transgender and ultergender labels.

Ultcis, Ulteris

Ultcis - being both cisgender and ultergender, at the same time or fluidly. This could mean "being cis by perisex standards" and identifying as ultergender, but can also mean other things. The flag is the color of the iso flag combined with colors from these two flags 1 2, and design elements from these ones

Ulteris - being both isogender and ultergender, at the same time or fluidly.

Ablter, Ulterque

Ablter - being both absgender and ultergender, at the same time or fluidly.

Ulterque - being both utrinquegender and ultergender, at the same time or fluidly. Or being utrinquegender because of being ultergender.

Three different Ultris flags

Ultris - being transgender, cisgender, and ultergender, at the same time or fluidly. Or being trisgender because of being ultergender.

First flag is the the ultergender flag mixed with the tris flag h and I made. The second flag is the Ultrans and Ultcis flags from this post combined. The third is the ultergender flag combined with the most common tris flag. [These are exclusively for intersex use]

[queercripintersex]

Intersex folks ONLY: how do you relate your gender to your AGAB?

If you're not intersex please don't vote, it makes it hard for us to get an accurate set of results!!!

I'm pulling the terms from intersexfairy's Intersex Glossary <3 "Gender modality" means how you relate to your AGAB (e.g. cis, trans) and is not the same as gender identity (e.g. woman, man, intergender, non-binary)

[beyond-mogai-pride-flags]

Ulter Man Pride Flag

Ulter man (ulterman) or ultermale (ulter male): a term for ultersex/ultergender men/male folks; a term for intersex men who do not identify with their sex/gender assigned at birth, but don’t feel like they fit under “transness” (transsexness and/or transgenderness).

[ipso-faculty]

Umbrella term for being intersex and your gender isn't your AGAB?

So right now, we have an established term, ipsogender, for an intersex person whose gender is the same as their gender assigned at birth.

To my knowledge, there is not an umbrella term for an intersex person whose gender is not the same as their AGAB. Right now we have the established term, ultergender, for an intersex person whose gender isn't their AGAB and doesn't identify as trans, and the category of trans-intersex for those that do.

EDIT: I have been informed by @interarchive that ultergender was coined to be an opposite of ipsogender, and is not actually exclusive of trans people. So the umbrella term is actually ultergender! 💜

I am crossing off the rest of the text of this post to make clear the poll is no longer needed for this purpose. Ty <3

In the world of anatomy, the opposite of ipsi- (same) is contra- (against), which is what to me would be the obvious choice. Unfortunately, the term contragender is already taken. 😭

Here are some options I'm considering, and want feedback on. Sorry Tumblr only lets you vote for up one thing so let me know in the replies if you like multiple, dislike any, etc.

Countergender has a previous coining but from what I can tell it didn't take off? If people are using this way please let me know, right now. It also seems to have limited use in sociology as shorthand for counter-stereotypic gender things. 🤔

Let me know what you think of the options! I'd especially like to hear from ultergender people and trans-intersex people whose gender isn't their AGAB. 💛

[bloomshroomz]

If you're gatekeeping people from well known identity terms because "there are more accurate terms for you," and those "more accurate" terms are obscure and unknown, I want to ask you this:

Are you going to actually put in the work to popularize those terms?

No, really. Are you? Are you going to tell people in real life about these terms? Are you going to use them in conversation? Are you going to post about them? Are you going to give it your all to make sure that people actually know these words and what they mean?

Because if you're not, you're not looking out for people by offering them "more accurate" terms. You're not even just gatekeeping. You're actively stripping them of the ability to easily talk about their experiences, because you'd prefer to force people with certain experiences to strictly use highly invisible labels, rather than make space for them in broader and more well known communities.

Not to mention the fact that a lot of people who gatekeep more common labels are opposed to microlabels as well, leaving literally no options left. Some of you just don't want "weird queers" to exist and it's not subtle.

"You can't be a nonbinary lesbian, you have to call yourself trixic."

How many people know what trixic means? Many nonbinary people don't know this term, let alone broader society. It's also worth noting that nonbinary lesbians have existed for a very long time, even before the specific word "nonbinary" was used to express this.

"You can't describe your attraction to women as 'lesbian' if you're also attracted to men. You have to describe it as sapphic."

How many people know what sapphic means? When I identified as sapphic,* people basically only knew what it meant in online spaces. In real life, people had no clue what it meant, including a lot of queer people I knew, including women attracted to women. And when I explained it, people said "Oh, so lesbian" anyway.

*I no longer identify as sapphic because I'm a man and I don't view my attraction as sapphic anymore. I'm bisexual, and I view my attraction to men as gay, and my attraction to women as straight. I view my attraction to nonbinary people in varying ways depending on individual circumstances, but overall I consider it queer.

"You can't describe yourself as trans/cis as an intersex person if your experience with gender assignment is complicated, you have to use ipsogender/ultergender/intergender/etc. or just say intersex."

How many people actually understand what intersex means, let alone intersex-specific terms that largely arose due to perinormative standards of cisness and transness? Why are we applying perisex standards to intersex people (like basing their inclusion on AGAB and ignoring their complex intersex experiences) when we could literally just include them?

"You can't describe yourself as asexual if you experience sexual attraction on the rare occasion, or enjoy sex. You have to use greysexual/demisexual/cupiosexual/etc." (Or just blatantly saying "You don't need a word for this.")

Asexuality is already invisible as it is. You expect people to understand the individual labels under the asexual umbrella?

I want to be clear. Labels like trixic, sapphic, ipsogender, ultergender, intergender, greysexual, demisexual, cupiosexual, etc. are completely valid to use, and I actually do believe they should be made more visible! But I also think that people should opt into these labels on their own terms, not because bigger communities refuse to make space for them.

And, if your solution to all of this is "You have to just use queer, or be unlabeled," you've proven my point. You're literally just telling people that labels for specific experiences exist, just not for theirs. They don't get the option of having more specific words.

Stop policing how people identify.

[isobug]

Sensory-friendly edits of the Ultergender flag

Edited because the original was very inaccessible (very bright colors/eyestrain) but I still wanted to use the flag

Here is the definition and original coining post for Ultergender, and here is the original flag. Both were made/coined by @intersex-education

Help with ALT text is appreciated, free to use by anyone as always! @intersexflags

[intersex-culture-is]

Trans/Ulter intersex culture is seeing a heartfelt post from another trans intersex person that makes you feel seen and loved, only to go in the notes and see a perisex trans person telling OP that "you don't know the struggles of us REAL transfems, you can't call yourself transfem because you're intersex" (paraphrasing/shortening because it was a huge chunk of exclusionary bs) and immediately remembering why you're slowly starting to use Ultergender more than Transgender 🙃

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[ipsogender]

Adding on: when including intersex people it's appreciated if you include gender modalities for intersex people. (Gender modality: description of how gender relates to AGAB; gender identity is what your gender is. So trans and cis are modalities, man and woman are identities.)

Ipsogender: an intersex person who identifies with assigned gender. This often involves medical intervention to affirm this gender, and some of it may have been done coercively.

Ultergender: an intersex person who identifies with a gender that isn't what they were assigned at birth. Trans-intersex also gets used for this.

Then for gender identities there's a bunch of intersex-specific ones like neutroix but the one I see most often is intergender, meaning that one's gender is affected by being intersex.

hey guys reminder that there are more gender identities than just cis and trans . if you're making a poll that depends on how you identify gender wise include at the absolute bare minimum intersex and nonbinary people . not everyone is cis or trans .

[masquerade-flags]

Ipsoultergender/Ulteripsogender, Ipsotergender, Ultersogender

Ipsoultergender/Ulteripsogender - Being both ipsogender and ultergender for any reason. This term is meant to be analogous to cistrans/transcis(tris).

Ipsotergender - Being ipsoultergender/ulteripsogender and being more ipsogender than ultergender

Ultersogender - Being ipsoultergender/ulteripsogender and being more ultergender than ipsogender

[These labels are intersex exclusive!]

[luxdraconia]

I’m… a tad confused. But I’d like to understand better, so—I’m asking! :3

So, is intersex a gender? Can it be? Since I’m, y’know, not intersex, I don’t understand how that works super well.

being intersex is NOT a gender, it’s an identity term for having variations in sex characteristics outside of the artificial binary of male & female. however being intersex CAN influence gender, and intersex exclusive genders such as intergender or ultergender.

does that make sense???

[beyond-mogai-pride-flags]

Ulter Woman Pride Flag

Ulter woman (ulterwoman) or ulterfemale (ulter female): a term for ultersex/ultergender women/female folks; a term for intersex women who do not identify with their sex/gender assigned at birth, but don’t feel like they fit under “transness” (transexness and/or transgenderness).

[ipso-faculty]

Proposing/requesting some new intersex terminology

In my talking and thinking about intersex and intersex studies, I've found a desire to put names some of the concepts and groups of people that are out there. Here's what I've come up with, and would like feedback. 💛

Alternate language for medical/identity models

Intermedicalist: referring to a person or ideas which support the pathologization of intersex. Alternate language for what Costello (2016) refers to as the medical/disorder model of intersex. Intended as a parallel with transmedicalist.

Interliberationist: an intersex person who supports intersex liberation, in contrast to intermedicalism. Alternate language for what Costello (2016) refers to the identity framework of intersex; the view of intersex as a social identity, and intersex people in need of liberation from pathologization and presumptions about sex/gender norms.

Language for how intersex people relate to gender

Extergender. An intersex person who is not intergender, i.e. their gender does not feel affected by being intersex.

Language for how intersex people do or do not relate to queerness

Interqueer: an intersex person who sees their intersexness as being queer 🌈

Ipsoqueer: an intersex person whose queerness comes solely from being intersex; they are heterosexual, cis/ipsogender, etc. A subtype of interqueer.

Ulterqueer: an intersex person who understands their intersexness as queer and is also queer in other ways (sexual orientation, gender identity, etc). A subtype of interqueer.

Interseparate: an intersex person who rejects the idea that being intersex makes them queer. Opposite of interqueer.

Interconforming an intersex person who disidentifies with queerness on all axes (they are hetero, cis/ipsogender, etc). A subtype of interseparate.

Internormative: an intersex person who rejects that being intersex makes them queer, but they are queer in other ways. A subtype of interseparate. Chosen as parallel to homonormativity and transnormativity.

In terms of feedback: these are all concepts I want names for, but other than intermedicalist & interliberationist I feel pretty tentative/uncertain about what I've come up with. If you have ideas for improvements please let me know! 🤗

I'm a little worried that ipsoqueer and ulterqueer would lead to confusion with ipsogender and ultergender but also couldn't think of anything better!

EDITS: - 2023-11-27: changed "interstraight" to "interseparate", TY to anon who suggested the change. 🏳️‍⚧️

[leptrois]

better defining ultrigender

Ultrigender: anything beyond centrigenders and infragenders; being neither centrigendered or infragendered; gender extremity or outside.

A supracentrigender could be seen as ultrigender. An obliterated/nonliving/nonexistent or uncreated/unalived version of suprantigender is ultrigender, since it's suprainfragender. Supreugenders are a form of ultrigender.

Don't confuse with ultergender or ultragender

@radiomogai