#ultergender

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Caedulter and Caedipso

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Caedulter: An intersex individual who at one point, was Transgender, but due to trauma ( from their own Intersex experiences, Intersexism within Trans- spaces*, etc. ) is now Ultergender. May also be spelled Caedoulter.

Caedipso: An intersex individual who at one point, was Cisgender, but due to trauma ( from their own Intersex experiences, Intersexism from Perisex Cisgender individuals, etc. ) is now Ipsogender. May also be spelled Caedoipso.

Any other Intersex people may use these if you feel like you connect with them! Similar to other Caed- / Caedo- terms, you do not need to be specific or open about your trauma at all.

These are terms that are roughly based on the other existing Caed- / Caedo- terms but with slightly modified language. They are based off of my personal experiences ( Caedulter) and one of my friend's ( Caedipso ) so please be respectful.

( Perisex people do not be weird, these aren't for you. )

*if you have an issue with the wording here I encourage you to read this addition before jumping to harassing me or others.

Taglist - @interarchive, @radiomogai, @revenant-coining

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Ipsoultergender/Ulteripsogender, Ipsotergender, Ultersogender

Ipsoultergender/Ulteripsogender - Being both ipsogender and ultergender for any reason. This term is meant to be analogous to cistrans/transcis(tris).

Ipsotergender - Being ipsoultergender/ulteripsogender and being more ipsogender than ultergender

Ultersogender - Being ipsoultergender/ulteripsogender and being more ultergender than ipsogender

[These labels are intersex exclusive!]

[intervex]

Inter-transgender, trans-intergender, trans-intersexual, etc

Following up my post about the difference between demi-intergender and inter-demigender, here's one for transness thanks to an anonymous request 🩷

This post is long because there are several of terms to differentiate! This one is complex because of how "trans" has multiple meanings. I'll cover some ways that transness and intersexness can combine:

Inter-transgender (intertrans): when an intersex person is transgender in any sort of way, and this transness is connected or linked to being intersex.

This includes intersex people who feel trans because of a forced medical transition (mistransition/distransition).

This includes ipsotrans/exparium people: intersex people whose gender is the same as their AGAB but are trans.

This flag design follows the pattern of the interfluid, interdemigender, etc flags. It takes the transgender flag and adds intersex yellow stripes to top and bottom to signify it is an intersex/intergender version of transgender.

Hex codes: #FFFFFF #F5A9B8 #5BCEFA from trans flag, #FDD70A from intersex/intergender flags. ***

Inter-ultergender (interultergender): when an intersex person has a gender that is different from the one they were assigned at birth (ultergender) and this feels connected or linked to being intersex (intergender). This is ultergender in an intergender way.

Like above, I took the ultergender flag and added yellow stripes to give it an intergender flavour. Note: (inter-)ultergender people may or may not identify as trans. Ultergender does include trans people. Ultergender hex codes: #FFF378 #A263BD ***

Transgender-intersex (trans-intersex, ultertrans): an intersex person "whose gender identity does not match the one decided on by their doctors and/or parents at birth, and identifies as transgender and intersex at the same time." (@intersexfairy, 2021). Flag by Jesse Bananasaurus (2017).

This can be thought of as ultergender people who use the trans label, or ultertransgender.

Note that trans-intersex is not limited to people who feel their transness is related to being intersex. For example, somebody who is both trans and intersex, but feels that these two are completely unrelated from each other, would be trans-intersex and not intertrans.

Somebody who is trans, who transitioned, and then years later found out they are intersex, would also be trans-intersex.

Hex colours: same as inter-transgender. ***

Trans-intergender: when an intersex person changes/transitions from extergender to intergender. Extergender is when your gender is not influenced by being intersex; intergender is when it is.

For example: an intergender person who was assigned a binary gender at birth, who transitions from presumed extergender to becoming intergender/intersex-gender.

Another example would be an intersex transmasc who didn't know they were intersex until long after they did their gender transition, and then later got in touch with their intersex side.

Or, for another example, an intersex neutrois person who swore up and down during their gender transition that it was unrelated to being intersex (perhaps to access gender care) who later realizes or reveals they are intergender.

This flag design combines the intergender and extergender flags. The purple on the outside represents intergender. The white ring represents transition. The black in the centre represents extergender. ***

Trans-interine (transgender-inter, trans-intersexual): when an intersex person is trans, and their transition goal is their body's natural state - i.e. intersex/intergender/intersex-gender.

Per @intersexfairy (2021): trans-intersexual are intersex people "who feel as if they’re both biological sexes and do not fit into the categories of “male or female.” These people fit the categories of both intersex and transgender people."

Similar to how trans-feminine is a trans person who is feminine, trans-masculine is a trans person who is masculine, etc, I'm coining interine as a gender quality for intergender. This is an intersex-exclusive gender quality.

Trans-intersexual and trans-intersex tend to get (understandably) mixed up so I'm hoping interine is visually different enough to help out. Inter- in interine is for intergender, -ine is a common suffix for gender qualities (outherine, xenine, etc).

Trans-interine is a broader category than retrotransgender, a term I coined several months ago for intersex people like myself who transition to undo IGM/forced HRT/etc. Trans-interine would include intersex people who were free of coercive medical transition but are socially transitioning to be intergender.

This design follows the pattern of the four-stripe transmasc/transfem flags and the extended series posted by @ryanyflags in 2022. It replaces the two middle stripes that are used to indicate gender quality with the yellow and purple of the intersex & intergender flags.

Hex codes: #FDD70A #7A01AA from intersex/intergender flags, #FFFFFF #2b2d2c from trans* flags. ***

Intersex and trans (left), intergender and trans (right): flags for people who are both intersex and trans (left), or both intergender and trans (right).

Like trans-intersex, they do not imply a connection between the transness and the inter(sex|gender)-ness.

Unlike trans-intersex, these flags include ipsotrans people, and people who feel they are trans because of forced/coercive transition.

I've made these flags because I wanted ipsotrans & mistrans people to have options for flags. These flags follow the pattern of "stick icon in place of ring" to make X that is also intersex flags, like the flags for intersex & disabled, intersex & autistic, etc.

Table for reference

I hope this helps clarify how trans & intergender can be combined as terms (and flags)! Let me know if you want even more permutations of these concepts/flags 💜

Tagging @intersexflags @interarchive for archiving

[queercripintersex]

Intersex folks ONLY: how do you relate your gender to your AGAB?

If you're not intersex please don't vote, it makes it hard for us to get an accurate set of results!!!

I'm pulling the terms from intersexfairy's Intersex Glossary <3 "Gender modality" means how you relate to your AGAB (e.g. cis, trans) and is not the same as gender identity (e.g. woman, man, intergender, non-binary)

[beyond-mogai-pride-flags]

AFAB Man Pride Flag

A flag for men who were assigned female at birth.

[ipso-faculty]

Umbrella term for being intersex and your gender isn't your AGAB?

So right now, we have an established term, ipsogender, for an intersex person whose gender is the same as their gender assigned at birth.

To my knowledge, there is not an umbrella term for an intersex person whose gender is not the same as their AGAB. Right now we have the established term, ultergender, for an intersex person whose gender isn't their AGAB and doesn't identify as trans, and the category of trans-intersex for those that do.

EDIT: I have been informed by @interarchive that ultergender was coined to be an opposite of ipsogender, and is not actually exclusive of trans people. So the umbrella term is actually ultergender! 💜

I am crossing off the rest of the text of this post to make clear the poll is no longer needed for this purpose. Ty <3

In the world of anatomy, the opposite of ipsi- (same) is contra- (against), which is what to me would be the obvious choice. Unfortunately, the term contragender is already taken. 😭

Here are some options I'm considering, and want feedback on. Sorry Tumblr only lets you vote for up one thing so let me know in the replies if you like multiple, dislike any, etc.

Countergender has a previous coining but from what I can tell it didn't take off? If people are using this way please let me know, right now. It also seems to have limited use in sociology as shorthand for counter-stereotypic gender things. 🤔

Let me know what you think of the options! I'd especially like to hear from ultergender people and trans-intersex people whose gender isn't their AGAB. 💛

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Sensory-friendly edits of the Ultergender flag

Edited because the original was very inaccessible (very bright colors/eyestrain) but I still wanted to use the flag

Here is the definition and original coining post for Ultergender, and here is the original flag. Both were made/coined by @intersex-education

Help with ALT text is appreciated, free to use by anyone as always! @intersexflags

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i really liked the ultersex ipsogender flag, can I have an ipsosex ultergender flag?

Ipsosex Ultergender flags

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Ulter Man Pride Flag

Ulter man (ulterman) or ultermale (ulter male): a term for ultersex/ultergender men/male folks; a term for intersex men who do not identify with their sex/gender assigned at birth, but don’t feel like they fit under “transness” (transsexness and/or transgenderness).

[ipso-faculty]

Proposing/requesting some new intersex terminology

In my talking and thinking about intersex and intersex studies, I've found a desire to put names some of the concepts and groups of people that are out there. Here's what I've come up with, and would like feedback. 💛

Alternate language for medical/identity models

Intermedicalist: referring to a person or ideas which support the pathologization of intersex. Alternate language for what Costello (2016) refers to as the medical/disorder model of intersex. Intended as a parallel with transmedicalist.

Interliberationist: an intersex person who supports intersex liberation, in contrast to intermedicalism. Alternate language for what Costello (2016) refers to the identity framework of intersex; the view of intersex as a social identity, and intersex people in need of liberation from pathologization and presumptions about sex/gender norms.

Language for how intersex people relate to gender

Extergender. An intersex person who is not intergender, i.e. their gender does not feel affected by being intersex.

Language for how intersex people do or do not relate to queerness

Interqueer: an intersex person who sees their intersexness as being queer 🌈

Ipsoqueer: an intersex person whose queerness comes solely from being intersex; they are heterosexual, cis/ipsogender, etc. A subtype of interqueer.

Ulterqueer: an intersex person who understands their intersexness as queer and is also queer in other ways (sexual orientation, gender identity, etc). A subtype of interqueer.

Interseparate: an intersex person who rejects the idea that being intersex makes them queer. Opposite of interqueer.

Interconforming an intersex person who disidentifies with queerness on all axes (they are hetero, cis/ipsogender, etc). A subtype of interseparate.

Internormative: an intersex person who rejects that being intersex makes them queer, but they are queer in other ways. A subtype of interseparate. Chosen as parallel to homonormativity and transnormativity.

In terms of feedback: these are all concepts I want names for, but other than intermedicalist & interliberationist I feel pretty tentative/uncertain about what I've come up with. If you have ideas for improvements please let me know! 🤗

I'm a little worried that ipsoqueer and ulterqueer would lead to confusion with ipsogender and ultergender but also couldn't think of anything better!

EDITS: - 2023-11-27: changed "interstraight" to "interseparate", TY to anon who suggested the change. 🏳️‍⚧️

[ipsogender]

Adding on: when including intersex people it's appreciated if you include gender modalities for intersex people. (Gender modality: description of how gender relates to AGAB; gender identity is what your gender is. So trans and cis are modalities, man and woman are identities.)

Ipsogender: an intersex person who identifies with assigned gender. This often involves medical intervention to affirm this gender, and some of it may have been done coercively.

Ultergender: an intersex person who identifies with a gender that isn't what they were assigned at birth. Trans-intersex also gets used for this.

Then for gender identities there's a bunch of intersex-specific ones like neutroix but the one I see most often is intergender, meaning that one's gender is affected by being intersex.

hey guys reminder that there are more gender identities than just cis and trans . if you're making a poll that depends on how you identify gender wise include at the absolute bare minimum intersex and nonbinary people . not everyone is cis or trans .

[julietianboy]

-> cistrans / transcis ( ⚧️ )

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- definition: a term that's a combination between transgender and cisgender in some way, separately or at the same time. this can be for many reasons, including, but not limited to:

× being intersex

× being multigender

× being a detransitioner

× being plural / a system

× being gender non-conforming

× being AGAB non-conforming

× being genderfluid or having a fluid gender modality

× identifying with a gender both close and far from your assigned gender

× having a connection to cis or trans manhood, womanhood, etc

× and more...

- similar terms: demicisgender, demitransgender, integragender, intragender, isogender, sensgender, ipsogender, ultergender, exparium

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Trans/Ulter intersex culture is seeing a heartfelt post from another trans intersex person that makes you feel seen and loved, only to go in the notes and see a perisex trans person telling OP that "you don't know the struggles of us REAL transfems, you can't call yourself transfem because you're intersex" (paraphrasing/shortening because it was a huge chunk of exclusionary bs) and immediately remembering why you're slowly starting to use Ultergender more than Transgender 🙃

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[themaveriqueagenda]

maveriques don't owe you transness. maveriques don't even owe you non-binarity.

maveriques can be isogender, metagender, adgender, sensgender, demitrans, demicis, ultergender, or even cisgender or ipsogender.

maveriques can be abinary, genderqueer, anonbinary, elsegender, aphorian or gender non-conforming.

maveriques can be none of those labels and just be maverique.

maveriques don't owe you labels you think we should use.

[isobug]

Slowly regaining my energy to be able to do requests, but I’m thinking of making a flag for being Ulteripso / Ipsoulter ?? ( Both-gender and -sex terms )

Basically a combination of being Ultergender/Ultersex and Ipsogender/Ipsosex, but I can’t find any pre-existing flags or coining aside from their use on this post and this post. If anyone knows of any let me know !!

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Ulter + intergender could be untergender or iltergender?

Iltergender flags

Using this and this intergender flags, and this integender(which is a synonym for intergender) flag.