#A personal voyage

[ploppythespaceship]

I've seen some posts confused about when Prodigy takes place compared to Picard or Lower Decks or something else, so here's a very simplified timeline of Star Trek's 24th century.

[twilight-skies]

To anyone who was genuinely excited/optimistic for this movie until now

[0vergrowngraveyard]

city boy cant understand a damn thing his pirate brother is saying

[charlesemersonwinchesteriii]

i was getting ready for another day of spying and murdering, practicing my interrogator death stare with my piercing blue orbs. just then, enabran tain came in. “pack your things.” he said. “i’ve sold you to pay our debts. meet your new owners, the crew of deep space 9.”

[evviejo]

STAR TREK: VOYAGER - S4E18 The Killing Game, Part 1

[trekkie-polls]

For bonus points share one thing you wish would have happened in that extra season

Edit: So many comments about Prodigy not being on here! Well, I am a Prodigy fan too. But I left it off because last I heard Netflix picked it up. Now I don’t have faith it will happen, but nonetheless there is at least one more season planned and maybe more.

On the other hand, even though the last seasons of discovery & lower decks haven’t finished airing, they both have planned end dates.

[thatwasntaquestion]

Captain/Admiral Janeway trying to escape doctor's osteopathic methods since forever. (VOY s04ep07 - STP s02ep12)

[midstpodcast]

LAUNCH DAY IS ALMOST HERE! 🌬️ 🚀 A supernatural ship and a remarkable crew set forth on an expedition to explore the furthest reaches of the known Cosmos as #UNEND begins this October 9th! 🧡 WATCH THE TRAILER 🎥 youtu.be/Ssm0xfDHgiU LEARN MORE 🔎 critrole.com/unend/

[thegroundhogdidit]

i found a copy of the voyage home novelization at the antique shop yesterday and um. my man was going through it

[thresholdbb]

In the spirit of First Contact Day (and in the aftermath of boop-stravaganza), please interact with this if you post about Star Trek and/or we should be mutuals. LLAP I love you all

[singeart]

The crew can be a little morally gray…as a treat!

(og from over the garden wall)

[rockethorse]

The basegame wedding dress has a pregnancy morph??

[catgirljaneway]

Tuvok and Kathryn + Touch

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[bumblingbabooshka]

Tuvok having a private sexuality/gender re-evaluation on Voyager after having never thought too deeply about it because he was busy being a monk and then being married is very funny to me. USS Starship Voyager is perhaps the worst time and place ever to go "I think might be bisexual?" [and yet, many such cases] + You knooow he's not confiding in anyone about that shit. Tuvok's gender just privately changing in the background, unbeknownst to anyone but him. 👍This is running in tandem to the crisis of faith he expressed for one line in 'Innocence', btw.

[isagrimorie]

People give Janeway guff about not giving Kazon replicators and transporters. Still, it's proven repeatedly that giving one Kazon faction an advantage over the other would be mixing it up in an internal war that would LITERALLY shift the balance of power.

Klingons at least know the technology they have engineers, even as it's becoming a dying breed over Warriors.

TLDR in Alliance Chakotay and Tuvok convinces Janeway that making an alliance with a Kazon faction is the way to go.

And so she does finally concede on this little experiment but with a lot of reservations going in: That once they leave the infighting will go on, and might actually have been worse.

Tuvok naively thinks it might help and bring about a Federation.

B'Elanna then pushes forward Harry's sarcastic comment about forming an alliance with Seska and then at the first sign of this, Chakotay balks.

And then Janeway says something that I feel is her guiding principle in dealing with hard decisions:

Janeway: "You can't have it both ways Commander. If you want to get in the mud with the Kazon you can't start complaining that you might get dirty."

Again, this is what I love about Janeway -- she gets flack for it but when Janeway makes a decision no one else wants to make it.

As I've mentioned in another post in tags: #right or wrong#i admire how janeway is always the one#who goes#the buck stops with me#she makes the hard choices on voyager#especially during debates#when the staff just goes around and around in circles#like in memorial where she starts just in the background#listening to the senior staff debate#from how janeway started in episode 2 of season 1#where she's presented with the horrific#sophie's choice of neelix dying because he has no lungs#and then subjecting another person to the same fate#to the (now boring debate about tuvix)#to this moment#to the moment on the memorial episode#she will take on that burden#and she will always stare at the hardest choice unflinchingly#because someone has to#as the 12th doctor once said#sometimes all your choices are bad ones#but you still have to choose#

In this episode, she allowed herself to be persuaded but she's not sold on it. But she's letting her crew run with it -- okay so we do this, but if we do this, we commit to it. And yet, at the first uncomfortable decisions... there's already balking. This was Janeway testing the waters if any other person on her senior staff could carry water about making the hard choices.

So far the ones who have stepped up were B'Elanna, Tom, and Neelix.

Anyway, I wish there was more fallout on the whole Kazon vs Trabe conflict because that was actually interesting.

But also Voyager had a Doctor Who problem -- if they meddle in the affairs of a spatial politik, they don't know the repercussions of their actions and just look at Living Witness and the reputation Voyager gained simply by doing a bit of a trade deal.

Voyager can help when they can, see: helping Brenari refugees escape the Devore. (Counterpoint).

But they can't and shouldn't really interfere with internal politics. They're not like DS9 where they can stay in one place and fix things permanently. They're just passing through.

This is also why I think she wasn't really considering Tuvok and Chakotay's thing during the Void episode where they raid another ship's resources. (Also, because after Ransom and Equinox, she knows what faltering in the Federation principles can do).

Crucially, she's also known both Chakotay and Tuvok enough that while she loves them -- Janeway knows neither men have the stomach for their proposals.

The Alliance episode was one example of that already.

Janeway, though, if she is pushed to make that commitment and there was absolutely NO way they can prevent raiding others-- Janeway would have committed to that action 110%. This is why I feel Janeway would actually come to a similar conclusion as Sisko in In the Pale Moonlight.

Especially, if she gets daily reports of Starfleet casualties. I have a feeling, there would be less kicking and screaming when Garak finally does his reveal.

Janeway has rules for a reason. She is fastidious about it. For a reason. Because once she commits to an action, it will take both hell and high water to take her off that course.

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