#--(see the ''passively anti-endo'' thing)

[lesboylycan]

shaking my laptop screen right now. why are so many supposed "safe spaces" for stigmatized disorders so frequently anti-endo. violently anti-endo (actively threatening, fakeclaiming, etc) or passively anti-endo ("endos DNI" without talking about endo systems on the blog/"endos DNI" on general system positivity posts, following or regularly interacting with anti-endos but no posts about endos specifically, etc) it doesn't matter it's just all. fucking.

[clownypillar]

WELCOME TO MY BLOG !! :3

⤷ My names are jester/kastor/walden and I use she/he/xym !

im an 16 anifaux autistic artist who’s the host of a P-DID system which is erm cool I think, I’ll mainly be the one posting here

We’re in soso many fandoms… though the ones I’ll be making fanart for the most are

⤷ smg4, cult of the lamb, sneegsnag, welcome home, rainbow factory Wally au, my own welcome home AUs, and phighting !

extra things we like and you might see

⤷ Pokémon, the glass scientist, creatures of sonaria, splatoon, regretavator, and sky cotl !

while we post silly autistic fanart, we also make discord emojis !

if you want more information on us, check out our carrd !

If you only followed for my fanart, emojis, or random yappery (I doubt fr) I have custome tags, so if you only want to mainly see one of these, feel free to follow one

✦ #clownyyappery

✦ #clownyart

✦ #clownymojis

✦ EMOJI BOUNDARIES ✦

⟣ if you ever use our emojis in a server, please make sure to add CLOWNY_ at the beginning for credit :3

⟣ do not steal/copy our emojis, or edit them without our permission, inspiration is 100% as long as you ask and give credit !

⟣ don’t use our emojis for inappropriate reasons, being an endo is a inappropriate reason btw 💕

⟣ please give us emoji request !! We love requests !!! We will do anything besides your ocs or headmates, but if we know and like a character we will do that :3

✦ ART BOUNDARIES ✦

⟣ do not copy/trace/edit our art, that’s witterly so mean what the heck :( /silly

⟣ PLEASE GIVE US ASKS!!!!! you can request pretty much anything besides nsfw and art of your ocs unless we specifically ask that you can request us to draw them, we will draw gore and suggestive art just don’t be too crazy vro

⟣ going off the last one, please. Don’t dm us asking us to draw your ocs if you are not our mutual, if you’re our mooty patootie of course we’ll draw what you want /silly but anyone please don’t. You will be able to ask us to draw your characters when we open commissions, but we will not draw it for free.

✦ GENERAL BOUNDARIES ✦

⟣ if you aren’t our mutual, don’t dm us without asking, random dms from people we don’t know makes us extremely uncomfortable

⟣ while we do try and stay out of syscourse, this is not a safe space for anyone who is an endogenic ‘system’ or anyone who accepts and supports them

⟣ basic dni criteria, proshippers, racists, anti-lgbtqia+, just don’t interact if you’re weird dawg

⟣ if we ever make you uncomfortable, feel free to tell us ! We struggle to tell when we did something wrong or pick up on social cues for when someone’s uncomfortable/uneasy, but if you tell us we will be supa understanding trust

✦ EXTRAS ✦

⟣ we might come off as passive aggressive, but I promise we’re not angry ! (Unless we are, you’ll probably know when we are) a lot of our humour is based around our passive aggressive nature, but don’t be scared to interact because of it :3

⟣ while I’m typically the one posting, if you ever wanna know who made a post, feel free to ask, we’ll probably never ever use sign-offs unless it’s super duper uber important to /silly

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if you want to join a very awesome server with a very active community full of goofy fandoms, use all our custome emojis, or just see our art as soon as it’s made, consider joining our server ! ITS SUPER AWESOME GUYS 100%%%

[cddboxes]

⌦ Introduction ⎙

Welcome to cddboxes, another blog for doing userboxes for CDD systems, sysboxes how it's called

⌦ Requesting ⎙

Requests are always open!

You can submit various requests at the same time, the limit is four requests in un ask, but you can send multiple asks if you want

You can als specified if you want some specific characteristics in your userbox as a picture, a specific color, a specific font, etc. Just put it in the request and I'll do it

All requests would have varios alternatives such as: part/headmate/alter and system/collective, if you want another term to be used or a more specific one you can request it, but by default all the userboxs will have this variants

I won't be doing any request that's targeting someone, that's hateful and discriminative, nothing very explicit (I might do some NSFW ones if I'm ok with them) or something related to endo supporting, outside of this you can ask if I'm ok doing certain kind of requests if you're not sure if I'll fullfit it

Please see this post for more information about requests

⌦ Boundaries ⎙

This blog is CDD systems exclusive, so if you're not one please go off our blog and don't do requests because we'll delete them, we won't hesitate in blocking blogs and accounts for the safety of the blog and its followers (This rule applies to non CDD systems and singlets)

This blog is a safe space and isn't open with syscourse, discussion nor debate regarding system topics. There can be some userboxes that mention or a are aligned to this kind of topics but it's not a discussion blog, so please take that in mind

If it's necessary add the corresponding TW/CW in the top of the request, this is to make sure people won't get triggered and are aware form what they're seeing

DNI:

Basic DNI, non CDD systems, singlets, radical pro endos and anti endos, closed mind people, trans-id (Specially trans-plural), doesn't have system accountability, anti-recovery, syscourse blogs, say things like sysmed or traumascum, any kind of passive-aggressive people

The break of one of our boundaries will be an instant block

⌦ About the owner ⎙

You might see that this blog has a similar to almost identical aesthetic to the blog @syspport, this is because this blog might be considered a sub blog of that one specifically for all the sysboxes requests, so please make your requests here and not there regarding this topic and make sure to check out that account

This is just for userboxes, any other kind of help, support and requests about CDD systems you can totally do it there (Except coining terms/roles, you can do that requests in @myceliumforum)

This is all I have to say, thank you for reading and I'll wait for your requests to be done!

[antiendovents]

Sometimes I can't with endos

We already said we're not anti-endo and we have a more complex stance that we already explained in a post, but we don't like endos and don't want to interact with them

The thing is fucking endos/pro-endos come to our blog and leave passive-aggressive, attack like and shitty comments and anonymous submissions and treat us like we're an anti-endo whos wishing dead to endos 💀

That's the exact reason why we don't like them, it's impossible to make an endo don't fucking interact with you and make dumb assumptions about you just because a comfort preference, a boundarie

Endos respect boundaries and don't attack/threat other people because they have them challenge (They already fail)

Yeah, I'm not really sure what goes through these people's minds. It's like they see red anytime they read "endos DNI" 😭 like bro, it's a boundary, leave them alone!! They don't want you coming to "educate" them or harass them.

[sophieinwonderland]

What really gets my goat about some of this recent wave of anti-endo shit is when they're like "oh but what about when endos do bad things" because, surprise, having people being assholes to you isn't an experience that's unique to anti-endos. I have also – hm, let's take a more extreme example – been sent gore in my DMs. But I was sent gore for making a fucking positivity post. They are being sent gore for posting absolute dogshit hate, queerphobia, and more in inclusive tags as part of what is openly a harassment campaign. It's not that these people deserve it, don't get me wrong – but if their argument is "your side did bad things to me so I get to do bad things to you", then pro-endos would be justified in doing so much worse. We'd tell off anyone who sent gore to anti-endos, because that's just shitty, but at the same time, this whole argument is just another clear example of anti-endos looking for excuses to hurt others. Because when it happens to someone like me? Crickets. Not a word about how awful an act like that is. But when it happens to them? Ohhh, we can't have that, we better respond with fucking death threats in inclusive tags!

Like, it's awful. We can all agree it's awful. Nobody should be sent gore in their DMs. I don't think anyone here thinks this is a good thing. But I have been sent gore and I am not threatening to kill people or telling them to die. I have been sent gore and I am not going into anti-endo tags to tell them they are all shit people who are faking their disorders and trauma. This seems like a fucking skill issue. For every shit comment on my posts and every claim that I am faking and every asshole in my inbox, the most I have done is vent to people I trust and send one passive aggressive anon telling an anti-endo that if they really want to make a culture-is blog that doesn't use inclusive terms, they should probably not use a term coined and popularized by pro-endos in the name. (It was honestly half a genuine heads-up, and I only realized it sounded passive aggressive after sending it.) But these people think getting a fraction of the same shit they hurl our way every single fucking day means they're justified in fucking killing others??

Again. I get the rage these anti-endos are going through in response to these actions. I get it, because I personally experience it every time I have to see another hate anon in my inbox telling me to kill myself for being pro-endo, which is a depressingly common experience. Unfortunately! Being angry does not translate to being justified in your actions! This goes both for any pro-endos sending others gore, and for the anti-endos who think that being hated for hating others is somehow a crime against them. We can all agree no one should be sending anyone gore. Because that is shitty. But at the same time, it's a shitty thing their side started doing long before ours did. A shitty thing their side does in response to positivity posts, and a shitty thing ours does in response to open harassment campaigns in our tags. I am not one to say the intention outweighs the harm, but again, if that's their argument...

It feels a little like when a bigot gets punched and they respond with "See?! This is why I'm justified in treating you like shit!" when they only got hit because they were in the middle of violently beating that person up. Y'know?

All of this! Very well put! 👏

[wizardpeebis]

dude, endos are VISCIOUS. like. i reblogged a few anti endo posts because i am a traumagen system who does not like to see their safe spaces gentrified by ppl forcing themselves into a disorder that’s ruined my life and continues to affect it in ways that are not net positive.

so then i got an ask that was p clearly designed to induce paranoia (i’m guessing they dug through my blog a bit and gathered that i’m schizo-affective) and god forbid i reply to a pro endo post that’s entirely misinformative about all systems, because i’ll be met with the most conniving, passive aggressive, and just plain mean remarks.

the real thing that gets me is that all of their oppression is entirely self imposed. they invade spaces, demand attention, and when they’re told that what they’re doing is wrong, they throw a tantrum and start linking twitter threads with cherry picked evidence about how right they are. they make up buzzwords that are just plain bastardizations of terms related to trans history and oppression, and that is not unintentional. it is a purposeful play on language to heighten the sense of a liberation front for something that simply does not exist. manipulation like that is outright disgusting, and i have no problem thinking less of people who believe that it is okay.

i am especially mad at all the misinformation that gets spread? as someone who is figuring their system out and trying to learn things, misinformation can be extremely dangerous for me and it’s more than disheartening to think i’ve learned something new only to see “pro endo” in the tags and realize that i can’t trust a word i’ve just read. i don’t get why they can’t at least keep it to themselves if they can’t just shut up about it forever and always.

i’m just. eugh. i’m so sick of people in general taking oppressed identities and tacking them on as personality traits for brownie points and endos are an amazing punching bag ❤️

[benito-flakes]

Hi M & M, how are you all? We have a question - how do you deal with anti-endo sentiments on here? We recently decided to start openly as plural on here, and since we're a spiritpartner to a traumagenic system (as in, we're a Norse pagan and one of our deities present themselves as a system) and we wanted to write something on us meeting their alters in headspace, so we browsed the traumagenic posts - BIG MISTAKE. It was full of gatekeeping and toxicity for endogenics, saying people like us were doing it fun, not real systems. We aren't! The different facets of us were always there, but we've only just put faces to them - and we consider ourselves mixed origin (to put it as vaguely as possible, we think we have trauma from living in a deeply ableist world.) So it made us feel deeply uncomfortable at the traumagenic community, since it just seemed... overly aggressive? Like, "you can't be a system because you're not traumagenic!" and no explaining the reasons why?

Hi Anon! Sorry for taking so long to reply!

The way I personally handle syscourse, and the often quite vile discourse that results is to understand the sysmed point of view. That doesn't mean that I agree with them, but I try and put myself in their shoes:

Many of them seemingly do not have personal experience being a non-traumagenic system, many remain and interact in sysmed spaces where the existence of any type of system other than trauma-formed is viewed as a taboo. This likely feeds into a loop of close-mindedness, especially when viewing those they deem to be fakers.

When seeing something that doesn't align with a pre-existing definition of what that thing "should" be like, it's natural to be skeptical, to not understand, and even to doubt, but in no way does that justify the harassment, bullying, and identity-policing endogenic systems are subject to by anti-endogenics.

In an ideal world, all skeptics would research, talk to actual endogenic systems, and refrain from blatant attacks, but sadly, that just isn't the case. I try and remember that the person arguing with me online has their own views and struggles, their own individuality, and that to them, my opinion feels just as bad as how theirs feels directed towards me. It still sucks, and it probably always will, but remembering the being behind the screen helps me to remain civil and understanding, even in the face of disagreements.

Of course, if someone violates my boundaries, comes off as overly confrontational, or harasses me, I'm not going to passively allow it to go down, and you definitely don't have to stand for it, either. Boundaries are key, especially online, and especially in a triggering situation that discourse like this can be. You come first, and if debating someone online is hurting you, step back and disengage.

Hope my explanation helped! Again, sorry for such a late response!

-Ben Levine, M&M

[paluimbel]

I posted 117 times in 2022

That's 117 more posts than 2021!

20 posts created (17%)

97 posts reblogged (83%)

Blogs I reblogged the most:

@sophieinwonderland

@orange-orchard-system

@dhiibvulk

@psychuan

I tagged 35 of my posts in 2022

#plurality - 19 posts

#endo safe - 16 posts

#anti endos dni - 14 posts

#🐠 - 8 posts

#actually plural - 4 posts

#simplyplural - 3 posts

#hermitcraft - 3 posts

#osdd - 2 posts

#🗝 - 2 posts

#fictives - 2 posts

Longest Tag: 139 characters

#it’s not usually that awkward bc he (the introject) has next to no connection to his source and they (the friend) don’t know we’re a system

My Top Posts in 2022:

#5

Is there a term for not technically quite polyfragmented, but close enough that you share some experiences?

11 notes - Posted September 15, 2022

#4

ANTI-ENDOS DNI, feel free to block us if you don't like this post, we've heard all your arguments before and this is more of a personal vent than a syscourse discussion.

Recently I've been questioning whether or not we have osdd-1, and it's really frustrating because I want to be able to go into osdd spaces and ask questions, try to see if our experiences match up. But I can't do so without worry of getting fakeclaimed if we don't match up or getting made fun of for identifying as endogenic in the first place.

I know we're a system (even if some other members are in denial), and most advice i can find without specifically asking questions is geared towards figuring out if you're a system, not figuring out if you're an osdd system, and I'm afraid if we ask questions, we'll get more of the same, with people just telling us either we must have osdd (since low amnesia barriers rules out did) or we must not be a system.

We know there are inclusive osdd systems out there, we just don't know how to find inclusive osdd spaces.

11 notes - Posted July 17, 2022

#3

Plural!Rendog Headcanons

- The whole system, at least initially, collectively goes by Rendog or the Rendog System.

- Ren is the host and Renbob is the second most frequent fronter

- They're median and tend to have very low amnesia barriers

-They didn't know that they were a system when they first joined hermitcraft

-They have ADHD, and so most of them tended to chalk up what emotional amnesia they did experience to that (this part is largely me projecting)

-The Logfather only managed to mind control Ren, not the other system members, which ended up causing both Ren and Renbob a lot of confusion

-The Logfather couldn't take complete control of Ren either, mostly exerting passive influence unless there was some serious Logfellas business that needed to be taken care of

-They figured out they were a system right after the Logfather died and the Logfellas got arrested

-Basically, they're very much used to the sensation of having Someone Else There, so Ren (who was fronting at the time) was very confused by Xisuma talking about how much of relief it was to have the Logfather out of his head

-So he ends up asking X about it and doing some self reflection and Figuring Shit Out

-Well, actually, Renbob shows up in co con and Figures Shit Out

-For a fairly long time after that, X is the only one outside the system who Knows

-More to come as our binge watching of Ren's hermitcraft videos progresses!

(We're posting this in fandom tags because to a certain extent it is a fandom thing, but we recognize that that probably means some people who don't know anything about system stuff are gonna see this.

Hi! This post is about plurality, or the state of being more than one person in one body. It's mostly intended as a by-systems-for-systems sort of thing, but singlets (non-plural people) are also more than welcome to interact as long as you're respectful!

If you have any questions about plurality in general or the terms we use to describe it, our ask box should be open!)

12 notes - Posted June 19, 2022

#2

Considering coming out as a system to some online friends. Does anyone have any tips/advice/ideas on how to go about it?

14 notes - Posted July 14, 2022

My #1 post of 2022

Saw this on r/systemscringe. Needless to say this is, at the very least, somewhat horrifying. Make sure to stay safe and be careful joining any new plural discord servers.

449 notes - Posted July 31, 2022

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[antipsychiatrist]

⇋Blog introduction⇌

Fuck psychiatrist is a blog for me and other people who want to talk about how ableist and bad is the psychiatric field in the CDDs

CDD = Complex Dissociative Disorders

Here you can be as hater as you want, but of course being respectful to others and not attacking/harassing specific targets, we don't agree with that kind of vile behavior

This blog is to be critical, speak about experiences and opinions and sometimes to say "Fuck you psychiatrics" because of the ableist nature of how they treat and stigmatize pwCDD, and yes, you can vent about medical abuse and such things because that's part of the fucking problem we want to bring awareness in this blog

It's ok if you don't agree 100% with me, it's ok if you want to do a little debate with me about some of my opinions or POVs, for that is this blog after all, but please be respectful

⇉ About the blog

This blog isn't a syscourse one, if you're a syscourse blog or wanna talk about syscourse I'll block and delete, this isn't a place for syscourse topics, this is just to talk about the professional medical field surrounding CDDs, I don't care about your syscourse stance

Stop stigmatization, stop ignoring us, stop mystifying us, stop treating us like the impossible, like dangerous, stop excluding us, stop glorifying us, stop talking for the victims, stop abusing the victims, stop censoring information, stop following the ToED, stop the singlet superiority and oppression, stop ableism

Being the questioning, start analyzing and reflecting, hear the victims voice, make better diagnosis, search and investigate more cases, re-make your ableist terms, give us GOOD treatment

This is what this blog's about, to talk about this, to rant about how fucked up is the mental help field with us pwCDD

Anon claims

Nothing for the moment

Boundaries

We're open to debate and do talks, love seeing other people POVs and opinions, but if you're passive aggressive, sarcastic in a bad way, or show any kind of disrespect to our person we're gonna delete and block

Submissions are always open, but please have in mind this rules before using it:

If is necessary add the corresponding TW/CW above the submission

No slurs, attacks, mockery or any kind of bad behavior to anyone in the submissions (And if you're gonna mention someone censor and give a nicknames, don't reveal information)

Specify if you want a submission to be published with the message or if you want a separate post with no submission attached

Our DNI:

Endos

Syscourse blogs

Radqueers

TERFS

Anti-questioning

People with close mind

People without CDD

Anti-recovery

Radicals of any kind

Traumaolimpics

Non believers of RAMCOA and similars

Use traumascum/sysmed

Trans-ID

[your-dearly-demented]

PINNED POST

narc abuse truther. if that bothers u feel free to block.

riotmed -> your-dearly-demented

a discourse blog. please:

- block, don't report

- block if my content makes you uncomfortable. you're not obligated to interact with content that stresses you out

ABOUT ME

V2: Because some people have wondered; I am a singlet. I am endo-neutral as compared to my previous posts but still prefer to avoid interaction with those spaces.

Why am I talking about plurality at all? Because I'm ex-plural, and I had a place in that community for a majority of my teenager hood, and I have the right to form opinions on said community.

This is my discourse blog. I used to post anti-endo content before my mind changed. Young people are what they are, and they'll probably realize at some point that they're not actually a system. In the meantime, no need to send death threats.

I'm inclus for most LGBTQ+ and MOGAI/LIOM identities (not including dreamsexual/MAPS or anything similar.

EVERYTHING is tagged. I use "about: (blank)" tags for topics as a personal tag, as well as tagging the actual topic. Discourse posts are tagged with "discourse" and "cw discourse" or "tw discourse". Passive aggression and long posts are tagged exactly as such. While I'm very passionate with what I talk about, I don't want innocent bystanders getting caught in the crossfire. So feel free to block these tags or me for your own comfort.

read below the cut for dni and discourse opinions

OPINIONS:

- narc abuse is real. I will NOT shut up about it. narc abuse is real. I suffered through it. folk with pwNPD and NPD are more prone to having abusive behavior as part of a trauma-based defense mechanism system. all i want is for them to be self-aware of what they are

- MOGAI/LIOM is okay, and shouldn't be inherently associated with endos. So are labels like transspecies and chronosian, but don't hit me with that transrace/abled bullshit.

- endos ... kids will be kids, it's not my problem if they grow up believing they have sysmates and seeing as im now an adult, i refuse to go out of my way to harass children.

DNI

Everyone is free to try interacting save for pedophiles and racists. Send me a message, reblog, argue back in the tags. But you don't get a free pass to throw playground insults at me, because if you're just an angry bigot, I won't hesitate to block you or make fun of you.

TAGS

#ggnore — acronym for Good Game, no Rematch. It means I read and understand your point, but due to me having the basic ability to care for myself, I will not be participating any more.

#about:<blank> — This post is about the thing mentioned in this tag. When I have my own personal viewpoint on something, I use this so I won’t fall into either pro- or anti- tags.

#riot.txt  — the newest update 

In case you didn’t realize, this blog is full of discourse and me refusing to hold back any verbal punches. If that makes you uncomfortable, feel free to block me.

IDENTITY? NAME? PRONOUNS?

riot, they/them void/void

[sophieinwonderland]

What about the anti-endos who don’t hurt people? The ones who believe in endogenic systems, but use anti-endo as a label to prevent people who’ve traumatized them from interacting?

I think the label of anti-endo is inherently harmful because it normalizes hate. Even if you're not someone who is actively spreading hate, by using that label, you're signaling to people that it's okay. Especially when "DNI" is right there. (I don't really like these sorts of DNIs either, but it's at least better than calling yourself anti-endo.)

I'm truly sorry for the people who have had terrible experiences with the endogenic community... but being traumatized by individuals within a group doesn't give you the right to oppose every single person who falls under that umbrella.

I don't think that we would be okay with this labeling if it was basically any other group, whether a gender identity, a race, or a neurodivergence. If someone was traumatized by transgender people, that wouldn't make it okay for them to identify as anti-transgender. If you were traumatized by an autism group, it wouldn't be okay to call yourself anti-autistics. Many endogenic systems have faced harassment and been hurt by traumagenic systems, but do they call themselves anti-traumagenic? Would this be acceptable?

Not to mention that endogenic is just a HUGE umbrella.

You have soulbonders, daemonists, the former empowered multiples, tulpamancers, etc. And even those communities have sub-communities. Tulpas.info isn't the same community as r/tulpas which isn't the same community as the various tulpa Discords.

And the unique nature of the websites is never really taken into account when talking about the different communities.

A lot of the very worst stuff I see happening, the most toxic and even bordering on cult-like in extreme cases, is coming from Discord. This is because Discord servers tend to be very private, tight-knit communities. Moderators have absolute power with no oversight whatsoever, and the people most likely to want to be mods are those who tend to be charismatic and enjoy having power over other people, which is a dangerous combination.

I've heard horror stories from both endogenic and traumagenic spaces alike that are a direct result of the type of environment Discord creates.

Which isn't to say Discord is inherently bad, but people need to do a good job vetting the servers they join, and if something feels wrong, be prepared to jump ship. (But I realize the fact that you form friendships in these communities is what makes it hard to leave once you're a part of them, which is what gives them power over you.)

Every website has its own problems. Tumblr's is getting hate anons and death threats for everything from political opinions to drawing a character slightly thinner than they are in canon. Twitter's is a character limit that makes it nigh-impossible to have nuanced conversation. This is the flaw with Discord, and is the reason a lot of the horror stories to come out of it end up being much more personally harmful to the victims.

I'm sorry for the people that have been hurt by endogenic and pro-endogenic systems, but the fact is that there are bad people in every group, and that doesn't make it okay to harm and oppose everyone in a group just because someone bad in it did a bad thing to you.

I'm not saying that people's trauma isn't valid. Or that they don't have a right be hurt and angry. You absolutely do. But that anger needs to be directed at the people responsible. You don't have the right to be angry at me and other endogenic systems who are fighting for our right to exist and be recognized because someone else in an isolated sub-community hurt you.

Bigotry is never okay or acceptable.

Having said all of that, while I think publicly calling yourselves anti-endo might do passive harm, I don't really care all that much about them. I'm okay letting them be as long as they aren't actively attacking our community.

My main focus when I talk about anti-endos is the syscoursers, regardless of the label they use. Somebody calling themselves anti-misinformation while exclusively spreading anti-endo propaganda is far more dangerous to the endogenic community than someone calling themselves anti-endo while not engaging with syscourse at all.

[calicoconstellation]

Hey, just wanted to point out as a DID traumagenic system, the terms system, switching, fronting, and innerworld are not medical terms. Heck, my parents who are social workers and my own therapist didn’t know what the word system meant until I explained it to them, even though they all know and understand what DID is they’d never heard the term system.

If endogenic systems want their own terms, hell yeah go for it! But please do not spread the misinformation that these terms are strictly medical term. They are not, that’s a lie made up by anti-endos to try and force endos out of community terms (a similar thing has happened to the word fictive, which was created by the soulbond community).

Also, though it’s true a therapist who specializes in DID/OSDD may not be helpful for a non disordered system, anyone and any system can seek out a therapist for any reason, and it is not taking away resources. Spreading the idea that seeing a therapist takes resources away from someone else who “needs it more” may actually cause people who do need therapy to avoid it. I’m sure that was your intent at all!!! Just coming at this from the perspective of a system who’s felt guilty for “taking up resources” in the past, I worry someone may internalize it that way. 

I don’t want to start an argument or be accusatory! Non of this is meant to be passive aggressive or hostile. And I actually like a lot of these alternative terms a lot! These are just my thoughts on the subject as a traumagenic DID system.

Have a lovely day!

-Saffron & Ren

🌻 Terms For Endos🌻

Fellow endos, I support you. But we must remember that, since we (most of us) are not medical, we should not use medical terms. That could cause confusion- say, you tell a doctor you are a system. They misinterpret that as you saying you have DID/OSDD/UDD and set you up with a therapist dedicated to those conditions. This would be not only be now what you need, but also taking away from DID/OSDD/UDD patients. So we've made a list of terms that don't have medical connotations that endos should use more! We also added alternative words for "Tulpa" because that is sometimes considered cultural appropriation. System -> collective, plural, community Alter -> headmate, mindmate, headfriend, member Fronting -> in control, in front Switching -> changing, transferring consciousness Inner World -> headspace Tulpa -> Thoughtform, mindform, mental creation

You aren't 'invalid' if you don't use these terms but we highly recommend doing so!

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1. I changed it because my views changed, and someone called me out on an old, un-updated pinned post. I explained that the post was from when I briefly identified as anti-endo and from when I had just recently left the pro-endo community, and people didn’t believe me, because they took my words in bad faith. When my second pinned post didn’t stop the HARASSMENT (because let’s call the death threats I received and the unproductive shit-talking what they are), I changed it to the more aggressive pinned post I currently have and dropped a syscourse label I once held that no longer applied. I am syscourse unaligned now. Because you’re right! I’m not fucking neutral. I have a lot to say, and neutral apparently means to everyone else that I am passive. I don’t fit into your boxes and that’s okay.

2. I am helping others, actually. And… fuck, I’ve never clearly said this before, by why is encouraging people to speculate about their identities a bad thing?!! I learned so much when I speculated I might be truamagenic. I’ve seen so many endogenic collectives learn more about themselves by speculating about other identities. Don’t identities change???? Speculating causes GROWTH. I’m not sitting here and messaging every endo I see with “have you considered you’re traumagenic???” I just acknowledge that some endos aren’t endo, and don’t know yet. Which is something pro-endo traumagenic systems FREQUENTLY go through, so if someone tries to tell me I’m being anti-endo by saying this, I’m going to be livid.

3. Speaking as a pansexual alter who thought I was bisexual at first, I’ve literally explained this exact ideal. First off - you’re changing my words again. “Some” is not the same as “a lot.” I agree - “a lot” was fucked up. Which is why I changed my views away from that and recognized I needed to be more open to endogenic plurality, which is why I now in recent months fully believe it exists. But I acknowledge some ARE confused. And if we change your sentence to what I would ACTUALLY be saying in this example… no. I don’t see how it’s fucked up. “I believe some bisexual men are gay men who are confused. It happens.” I think that’s okay to say because it does happen and I think investigating your sexuality is a good thing. I’m not about to push a bisexual man and tell him he’s gay, no matter what - I’m just encouraging people to question their identities and research alternatives. If someone came back to me and said “I questioned my identity because of your beliefs, and no, you’re wrong, I’m bisexual still.” Then. Wonderful!!! I love that!!!! And I love the fact that that person would’ve investigated and hopefully learned more about that perspective. I see people encourage straight cis people to examine their identities - how is this different?? LITERALLY cannot comprehend how people are upset about me encouraging people to understand more, and every single time I’ve said that? I get more harassment. And I get told I’m a liar.

4. Anti-endos that I interact with are often closer to my views. They often believe endogenic plurality exists. “Anti-endo” as a label has been shifted so much from its original ideal that I think it’s pointless - same as pro-endo. And even then - I still talk to my homophobic parents. I’m sorry I interact with them, but I also want to help them understand me. I still talk to aggressive anti endos. I’m sorry, but I want them to understand me. I still talk to you (and even reblog the same posts as you, I just try to avoid directly reblogging because I KNOW I make you uncomfortable, but we have very similar views on a lot of topics), who has time and time again lied about my beliefs, twisted my words, and who is currently running an entire smear campaign on your blog about me - because I want to help you understand who I am and what I mean.

Furthermore… I interact with people on all sides. And I often agree with people on all sides. I’ve explained that this blog often interacts with disgusting people. It’s in my “No DNI” section. Sometimes, horrible people make incredible points, and while the horrible aspects should not be condoned, the point still stands and should be acknowledged (and analyzed for how the horribleness may breed from the idea, which I ALSO discuss). It doesn’t mean I agree with their ideals. I frequently denounce those ideas. But the entire point of this blog is hearing from every side.

5. Me being polite isn’t going to change anything other than the educational aspect of my posts. I could walk up to the anti-endos I fucking loathe and say “you are a disgusting asshole who I frequently have intrusive thoughts to send anon-hate to, because you’re views on endogenic plurality fucking disgust me. How dare you seek out these people, who do be going through it and who are real people, and fucking say the shit you do? I wish someone would do that to you so you could understand for 5 seconds what it’s like in someone else’s shoes you cuntstick.” But that’s not really productive now is it? Instead, I save my anger for private chats and personal blogs (which, if I recall, is something you also advocate for) and use this blog as a more calm and educational meeting ground of opposite sides. Because of that, I have had MANY people come to me with “I may not agree with XYZ, but I do agree with ABC, so now I feel like I’m more open to what That Group says.” I’ve made people kinder in this community. I’ve made people start reaching out more in good faith. I’ve advised people who I hate to change. I’ve SEEN people who I hate change. Every week, on the reg, I see an anti-endo come to me and say “you’ve made me more open to endogenic plurality.”

You’re condemning me for that.

You, who is cited for making people angrier. You, who is cited for supporting your prosecutor (and other similar blogs) attacking people over having anti-endo in their tags — or, you know, attacking me who didn’t use an exclusionist tag, on a post where I was encouraging people to respect YOU. You, who on a regular basis posts about me with shit I do not actually fucking do or say, all because I said “I understand why people call you endogenic-“ which I apologized for 4 times, 3 of them in the reblog chain, and which I never meant to invalidate your identity. Hell - I understand why people call me a sysmed. It’s why I’m fighting to make people realize I’m not.

I’m sorry I’m not like you. I don’t know that I want to be. I understand the good you do for your plural community - so please understand that I’m not trying to speak to your plural community unless they would like to speak to me first and learn more about other identities and beliefs. I’m just another blogger on the internet.

If you disagree with my beliefs, that’s fine. But remarkably, you don’t need to publish the asks about me and continue spreading lies. You would not believe the sheer number of asks I delete about you daily. Because sometimes, it’s not my turn to speak.

I ask that you block me now. Im doing the same. I’m done with this. I’m not interacting with you again. You stay in your corner, and I’ll stay in mine.

As a reminder:

I believe endos exist.

I believe some Endogenics are confused traumagenic systems. I believe this due to the amount of traumagenic systems who used to believe they’re required endo, but have since realized they were traumagenic. It’s a thing that happens.

I believe that’s perfectly fine and valid.

I have never once claimed that all endos are traumagenic systems, as people are now saying. 👍