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qiu-yan · 3 months ago

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see, the problem here is that "did they actually deserve to die" and "how were they depicted / how much narrative weight did they get" are two different questions.

the following wall of text will be moreso a further explanation as to what i said in my original post rather than a direct reply to yours, as your reply seems centered around the thesis of "well, the people wei wuxian killed had it coming," which is not what i was talking about. i'm not trying to castigate wei wuxian, and frankly i don't give two shits whether the people wei wuxian killed deserved it or not.

"did they deserve to die?" is an ethical question, and when answering ethical questions, what matters first and foremost is reason and consistency. for the sake of argument, let's return to mr. "you killed my parents." as you've described above, the intended reader takeaway is basically "the parents fucked around and found out (by showing up at nightless city), thus they did have it coming." as the text currently is, the surviving (adult) child of these parents is enough of an asshole about it (by showing up to the second siege of the burial mounds) that the conclusion "well your parents fucked around and found out, so they deservedly got rekt, asshole" is quite easy for the reader to come to.

now imagine a slightly different version of MDZS where everything is the same, but MXTX also included a scene with mr. "you killed my parents" crying over the graves of his dead parents. the thing is--in this new scenario, how much the parents morally "had it coming" does not change at all. if the parents had it coming in the original MDZS, then the parents also had it coming in this version of MDZS that includes a scene of their surviving child crying over their deaths, because nothing about the situation itself has changed. from a rational point of view, if you have already concluded that a man and a woman deserved to die, then reading an account of their child weeping over their deaths should not change your assessment as to how much the man and woman deserved to die.

but this isn't how fiction works. reader responses to works of fiction are not founded in rational applications of abstract moral philosophy, but rather emotional responses to the story and characters that are specifically directed by the author's writing decisions. how upset a reader feels when a character is killed, how much the reader thinks the character deserved it, and how much the reader condemns the person who killed the character--all vary not just on the concrete details of the killing, but also how much narrative focus each character gets. even if the actual scenario were exactly the same, a story that followed the asshole victim until their killing would elicit a vastly different audience response than a story that followed the morally upstanding killer. even within stories that focus on the morally upstanding killer, a story that gives the asshole victim a non-asshole moment of regular human emotion will still elicit a different reader response than a story that only depicts the asshole victim as a one-dimensional asshole.

therefore, including any sort of scene where your asshole victim displays a non-asshole regular human emotion is a risk. when you do so, you run the danger that your reader's emotions might be swayed by the asshole victim's non-asshole emotion, which then might lead them to become less sympathetic to your morally upstanding killer. what if the reader's heartstrings are tugged by this person weeping over their parents' graves? what if that makes them side-eye wei wuxian, even if it's just a little bit? though this risk is much lower for background characters, it's honestly never zero.

all of the above is kind of abstract, so, to further illustrate what i mean about audience emotional reactions, let us consider a more concrete example. consider an alternate version of MDZS where, after describing for us all these scenes of lan xichen encouraging his younger brother's burgeoning "friendship" with wei wuxian, MXTX then had lan xichen die at nightless city, beheaded by the reanimated corpse of one of his lan cousins after wei wuxian went berserk. from a logical, moral-philosophy point of view, everything you said about the background characters being in their "finding out stage"--in other words, that the background characters killed by wei wuxian had it coming--must logically also apply to the killed lan xichen. lan xichen, just like the unnamed background-character aggressors killed at nightless city by wei wuxian, also showed up to the pledge conference to declare war on wei wuxian; therefore, if the background-character aggressors at nightless city deserved to die, then so did lan xichen. the reasoning that is applied to background characters who behaved as lan xichen did must logically also be applied to lan xichen. therefore, from a moral point of view, not much about this scenario has changed at all. lan xichen had it coming too.

however--don't you think the reader reaction would be quite different? unlike with the unnamed background characters who wei wuxian actually killed at nightless city, lan xichen has a human face. the readers have spent time with him, observed his wide variety of interpersonal connections and non-asshole traits, been given the time to become emotionally attached to him. the knowledge that he is a human being whose life has moral weight is not merely abstract knowledge, but a concrete reality we have been presented with. thus, in this alternate version of MDZS where wei wuxian killed lan xichen at nightless city, wei wuxian would probably be more hated by the readerbase. many more readers would consider wei wuxian's nightless city meltdown to be morally questionable, if not outright call his moral character into question for it--despite the fact that the actual morality of the nightless city scenario here has not changed from canon.

(as i said in my tags, this reasoning is also why jin zixuan cannot be allowed to have the same amount of screentime or direct development as other characters.)

the point here is that--regardless of the actual morality of the situation, regardless of whether the killed victim actually "had it coming" or not, regardless of whether the killer is actually blameless or not--the audience's reaction to the scenario changes on who in the situation is given a human face--and anyone can be given or denied a human face. who is allowed to have non-asshole normal human traits, versus who is relegated to the role of one-dimensional asshole. and--if you want your readers to think of your killer protagonist as a hero, the more humanity you give the people he killed, the higher the risk that your readers do not come to your intended conclusion.

MXTX does not take this risk in MDZS. instead, she employs the rhetorical trick of casting many of wei wuxian's background-character victims as one-dimensional angry assholes who are easy to write off. these asshole victims are all human beings who must logically experience non-rage human emotions, who must logically have people they love, who must logically weep at the graves of their dead parents as all humans would--but we will never see that in MDZS canon.

the thing is, not every work of fiction out there employs this degree of rhetorical trick. a song of ice and fire does not do this. the sheer scale of brutality in ASOIAF is possible because george r r martin knows how to lend a background-character victim humanity with only a few sentences, even if said background character is being killed by a "heroic" character. attack on titan, despite all its questionable themes, also does not do this. isayama goes out of his way to humanize the background characters killed by AOT's protagonists, whether or not those killings are considered "justified" by AOT's narrative. the children's show avatar the last airbender, in which the protagonists don't even kill anyone, deliberately includes scenes of the fire nation enemy soldiers fooling around and being humans, even when it would have been much easier for ATLA to just make them faceless mooks. once you've seen any of these genre fictions, the comparatively simplistic way in which MDZS treats its background characters becomes much more obvious.

in my opinion, a ballsier writer in MXTX's position would have included those non-asshole scenes. they would have included the scene where mr. "you chopped off my leg" begs for alms on the streetside because he can't work as a cultivator with only one leg; they would have included the scene where mr. "you killed my parents" cries over the grave of his mom and dad. they would have included scenes of wei wuxian's various asshole victims behaving as any human beings would behave, even if it made the story uncomfortable.

and then, after having included these scenes, wei wuxian's retorts at the second siege of the burial mounds would go unchanged. they would go ahead and have wei wuxian say what he said in canon anyways: "in short, you can ambush me, but i can't fight back. is that right?"

and then they would have the narrative back wei wuxian up as correct.

that would have been ballsy. that would have been quite refreshing, actually. that would show their depiction of this scenario to be more objective, that they were not afraid of the possibility of the reader drawing different conclusions. that would lend weight to the thesis of "wei wuxian is ultimately a heroic person," because it would prove that the author had in fact considered all dimensions of the issue, instead of just the ones that make the protagonist look good, and come to their conclusion anyways.

MXTX isn't that author, though. MXTX chickened out.

(there's exactly one scene i can think of right now wherein MXTX actually didn't chicken out. it's the scene where, at the nightless city pledge conference, some young idiot shoots wei wuxian with an arrow. wei wuxian throws the arrow back and kills the young idiot, and the young idiot's younger brother cries out an anguished "哥!" that one plaintive cry lent both the young idiot and his younger brother humanity, making them more than just asshole victims. and given the importance of brotherhood in wei wuxian's own character arc and downfall, it was an excellent writing decision.)

MDZS and asshole victims: thoughts on the second siege of the burial mounds scene

this post is not about morality judgments. this post is about reader sympathies only.

one rather clever rhetorical trick MDZS employs is putting all the more background "surviving victims of wei wuxian's actions" into one big angry mob at the second siege of the burial mounds, instead of letting them crop up anywhere else in the story. it's easy for a first-time reader to write off the guy who lost a leg at nightless city, or the guy whose parents died at nightless city, because both of those guys are being dicks. they're part of an angry mob baying for wei wuxian's blood--unfairly baying for wei wuxian's blood, because this time he didn't even do the thing they're saying he did. by putting these two victims into a mob of not just fellow victims but also unaffected individuals (ie. sect leader yao, who just showed up for kicks), the story can effectively equate these victims' grievances (ie. "you killed my parents") with unreasonable mob rule--even if these two things might not actually be equivalent.

the effect of this rhetorical trick, then, is that the reader can at once perceive the themes about mob mentality MXTX wishes to convey, and also effectively write off the victims' complaints. "yes, i did that to you, but i literally died already, what more do you want me to do? shall i walk on my knees repenting?" becomes easier for the reader to accept. and more importantly--wei wuxian's likability as a moral and just protagonist is not impacted.

ngl tho. it would be a bit more difficult for the reader to write off these victims' complaints if, instead of meeting said victims in an angry mob, the reader instead met these victims almost anywhere else. imagine if, instead of meeting mr. "you killed my parents" at the second siege of the burial mounds, we instead met him getting smashed at the local bar and crying about how his parents are dead. imagine if, instead of meeting mr. "you chopped off my leg" as a member of an angry mob, we instead met him begging for alms on the side of the road because his disability rendered him unable to work in a wuxia-esque setting. or imagine--if either of these background characters, overcome with survivor's guilt and trauma from nightless city, hung himself in his bedroom, and the next day his body was discovered by his 15-year-old daughter.

all of these scenarios are entirely plausible. you could easily include any of them into the story without changing the main plot at all. but suddenly shit just got a lot more depressing.

however, no such scene would ever be included in MDZS. the reason is that, as a work of fiction, MDZS's single most ardent goal is for us the readers to conclude not just that "we like wei wuxian as a character," but also that "wei wuxian is ultimately a morally righteous person." when the narrative focus shifts onto the people who were actually helped by wei wuxian's actions (mianmian and her family, lan sizhui, the few months of dignity the wen remnants were afforded) this becomes much easier for us to conclude; wei wuxian does indeed look like a hero. but the more narrative focus is given to the negative impacts of wei wuxian's actions--the more the "victims of wei wuxian" (whether actual victims or not) are given a face, instead of abstracted away by broad summaries--the more the reader might side-eye wei wuxian instead. every new victim given a name, given narrative attention that isn't just focused on making them look like an asshole, arouses the reader's sympathies in the opposite direction--and thus increases the risk that the reader might ultimately disagree with the novel's conclusion of "wei wuxian is a righteous person."

tbh, this does not seem like a risk MXTX particularly wants to take. instead, she's mastered the art of writing Asshole Victims.

which is an entirely valid writing decision, because imo basically every work of genre fiction out there does this to some extent.

#mdzs #yanyan speaks #yanyan haterpost #and now in the tags - some Actual Moralizing!#how many of lan wangji's relatives do you think died at nightless city? how many yunmeng jiang disciples?#how many junior disciples were dragged to nightless city by their sect leaders--not allowed to refuse given how sect leadership works--#--not knowing the full reality of the situation?#how many small sects had no choice but to show up or risk jin guangshan's wrath?#how many slain cultivators left behind widowed spouses?#how many pairs of slain cultivators left behind orphaned infants? how many children in the jianghu are living jin ling's reality?#this is not to say that wei wuxian was unjustified in defending himself at nightless city. that's a different argument #no. this is to say that there is always sympathy to be had.#no one is Pure Asshole for the entirety of their existence. an asshole who is significantly harmed is by definition an asshole victim.

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nevertheless-moving · 24 hours ago

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Considering the amount of emotional and moral nuance he managed to muster up immediately post Guanyin temple (despite having a terrible week and zero good role models) AND considering his front row seat to the dissection of Jiang Wanyin and Wei Wuxian’s downfall, I think that in a time travel fix-it, Jin Ling would actually be pretty successful at brute forcing yunmeng family therapy.

I mean he'd probably cry, but even that would be good! Because 1) modeling negative male emotions beside anger, and 2) Oh shit that’s shije’s kid we made Shije’s son cry, fuck, fuck! Bam! Instant high ground! Also he has the most authority of any second gen character by virtue of the fact that he could pull “DO YOU WANT MY MOM TO DIE??? BECAUSE YOU TWO ACTING LIKE MORONS IS WHAT GOT MY MOM KILLED! NOW SIT DOWN AND SPIT OUT ALL YOUR FUCKING SECRETS OR MY MOM WILL DIE AND I’LL BREAK YOUR LEGS!!” It would work! Tell me it wouldn't work!

Not to mention once he gets a few sect leader years under his belt, he might be the best person to manage a fix-it, in general. He's got perspective. He's got political training. Others might get too caught up on the specifics of the Wen remnants or the Ying Tiger Tally or Vengeance against One Person or Another — Jin Ling is critiquing the basic structure of how Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng are living their lives and he's getting away with it.

He would even be good at dealing with Jin Guangyao, the slipperiest motherfucker in the timeline. Jin Ling's got as good a handle as anyone on his motivations, and he has sincere (if messy) affection for him, which would hit Guangyao right in his weak spot. Depending on your headcanons it may or may not be in vain, but he's got a real chance of getting the man to set some more modest and less destructive life goals.

Similarly, I think he'd do a pretty decent job at a harsh-but-fair critique of Xichen's neutrality and Mingue's rigidity and Huissang's delibrate uselessness, though getting them to listen would be more of a crapshoot.

All of this makes it especially funny how badly he would handle Wangxian.

For context: Wei Ying and Hunguang-jun are not just the gayest people Jin Ling has ever met, they are the gayest people he's ever HEARD of.

He wouldn't want to bring it up. He wouldn't mean to. He doesn't want to talk about it. But when he inevitably calls Wei Ying a slur only to be met with genuine bafflement? Jin Ling would completely lose his shit.

Because I don't think Wei Ying is going to get offended, or defensive, or have a response that his nephew could coherently mock. Wei Wuxian thinks 'hey these time traveling guys are actually pretty funny!' Him and Whom? Not even a serious topic of contention. You got me for a second, haha.

Jin Ling would break. Wei Ying eventually says something the effect of "I'm straight? Obviously?" and Jin Ling would nod once, start screaming, then climb across the table to strangle him.

It's — look. How do you fucking explain that all of the worst moments of your life were, in someway or another, characterized by Wei Wuxian and Lan Wanjii being FLAMBOYANTLY into one another.

The man who saved his life also killed his father and Jin Ling stabs him but it feels awful and — ok Lan Wanjii is cradling Wei Wuxian tenderly. Ok they're just going to go. They're leaving like that. Hunguang Jun was — is — was the Yiling Patriarch's widow, so that's another layer to add onto everything else. Hunguang-Jun is visibly expressing emotions with his face and voice and Jin Ling is going to go throw up now

Jin Ling's kidnapped at the burial mounds and everyone’s lost their spiritual energy and all his friends and family are going to die and — those two are smiling at eachother. They're telling inside jokes. They're holding hands.

Jin disciples (his own clans disciples) just shot at him and and Xiao-shushu really is what people sa— WEI YING SHOUTS ABOUT WANTING TO FUCK LAN WANJII

THEY ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF BEING KIDNAPPED AND HE DOES THIS

Jujiu is bleeding from the stomach and crying he's bleeding and crying his jujiu is doing that and Xiao-shushu caused it and his whole life is a lie and Hunguang Jun and the Yiling Patriarch are visibly groping in a corner.

And then they never stop groping again. Forever.

So yeah, I'm quite confident that if Jin Ling had to be even peripherally involved with coaching Wei Wuxian through a bisexual awakening and homoerotic courtship, he would explode. He would black out with rage. He'd make an honest and embarrassingly unsuccessful attempt at killing Lan Zhan. He would walk into a lotus pond and stay there until he drowned. He'd start heavy drinking. He'd punch a random passerby in the dick.

In conclusion, Need More Jin Ling Time Travel Fics

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #Jin Ling #Wangxian #mdzs fandom #mdzs au no 8 #End of the Rope #nevertheless meta

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shanastoryteller · 1 year ago

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Happy Pride! Can I get some trans content<3

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He can’t be pregnant.

The curse mark on his arm tells him that he is living in this body on limited time. Eventually, he will die, the string keeping him inside Mo Xuanyu’s body snapping like a string and sending him back to wherever she summoned him from.

He’d let himself forget, a little. The body he inhabits is so different than the one he woke up in. He’s made her stronger, grown her golden core into a fearsome thing, worked and worked muscles until they swelled and hardened.

It had begun to feel like it belonged to him, liked he’d carved his body from Mo Xuanyu’s. The differences from his old body hadn’t felt important, and still don’t, it’s about how this is the body he worked for and made from the one given to him.

But Mo Xuanyu is dead and her body isn’t his to keep.

If he wants to have this baby, then he must betray Mo Xuanyu and her sacrifice. If he wants to bring Lan Zhan’s baby into the world, he cannot kill Jin Guangshan.

Completing the mission she retrieved him for will sever the connection and he will die again and so will the life he’s growing.

His only hope is that maybe, maybe the thread binding him here will hold long enough for him to both deliver this child and kill Jin Guangshan.

He looks from Jiang Yanli to Jiang Cheng, their fierceness and determination the closest he’s felt to home in a long time. He shouldn’t be letting them do this, shouldn’t be sinking into the comfort of their protectiveness when they think he’s someone he’s not, but he can’t help it. It makes him feel even sadder for Xuanyu, to think that they would have done this for her, if only she’d let them. Hadn’t Jiang Yanli reached out to him that very first day while he was a confused and terrified mess? And here she is now, offering to shield him from his husband, offering to help Mo Xuanyu choose her own path and either continue the pregnancy or have it end here.

He takes a deep breath, trying to stem the flow of his tears. Jiang Cheng’s hands on his shoulders feel like the only thing keeping him in place, like he’s pressing Wei Wuxian’s spirit into place in Xuanyu’s body.

He presses a hand against his stomach, thinking of the life shifting in his womb as the first lotuses that had sprouted from muddy mountainside. If he could grow flowers in the burial mounds, he can grow a child in a borrowed body.

But does he want to?

This isn’t what he’s here for. The best case scenario is that he leaves Lan Zhan behind to raise a child alone, the husband and child of the woman who murdered a clan leader. The worst case is he leaves Lan Zhan behind to mourn a wife and child and he dies without avenging the wrongs done against Mo Xuanyu. Or he can end this here, remove the potential child from the equation and kill Jin Guangshan as subtly as possible, something he has the time to arrange when he isn’t pushing his connection to this world to the brink. Then Lan Zhan will only be the widower rather than the husband of a murderer.

There are no good choices.

But he’s used to that.

He breathes in, holding it at the top of his lungs and letting out slowly.

A-Yuan had been the brightest light in the burial mounds. Anytime he wavered, aching for the life and the people he left behind, it wasn’t Wen Qing or Wen Ning of Granny who hardened his resolve once more, but A-Yuan.

He’d loved being a parent. He’d wished he really could grow siblings for A-Yuan like he’d grown turnips.

Wei Wuxian’s legacy is one of failure, of loss, of destruction. All those he tried to protect fell. All those he had protected turned against him. The last thing he will do on this earth is kill again, even if it is a man who has earned it.

He does not want to leave behind a legacy of only terrible things.

It could all end horribly. But he’s always been foolish enough to hope for better than he has.

He finally meets Jiang Cheng’s steady gaze.

“I’ll talk to Wangji.”

#prompt answers #prompts are closed #asks #anon #untamed

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wangxianficfinder · 1 year ago

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In the mood for...

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1. Hiii~ hope you all are well!! for ITMF, do you know of any fics where lwj or wwx is chubby/fat? and maybe some body worship of their fatness?

check out the chubby!Wei ying tag!

Do Not Eat More Than Three Bowls by GalliumYttriumArsenicFluorine (E, 6k, LWJ & WWX & OCs, Belly Kink, Weight Gain, Stuffing, belly stuffing, Feeding Kink, Feeder LWJ, Feeder WWX, Feedee LWJ, Feedee WWX, fat appreciation, pudge love, Body Worship, Body Image, Body Positivity, Consensual Kink, Verbal Humiliation, Humiliation kink, POV Alternating, Feedism, unintentional weight gain, Food as a Metaphor for Love, Chubby LWJ, Chubby WWX, Light Bondage, Dom/sub Undertones, Switch wangxian, WIP)

🔒 in your hands by everythingispoetry (T, 11k, wangxian, modern, Fluff, chubby LWJ, Weight Gain, Body Image, Body Positivity, Food as a Metaphor for Love, Secret Marriage)

Cessation by devinokaze (T, 6k, wangxian, canon divergence, YLLZ WWX, fluff, LXC pov) mentioned slightly in regards to LWJ

🔒 everything’s going to be discovered by everythingispoetry (M, 98k, wangxian, F/F, modern cultivation, reunions, soft wangxian, family feels, angst, fluff, hurt/comfort, disability) this is a pretty heavy cisswap fic involving disabling injury, so be mindful of that but it does feature chubby lwj and a positive attitude toward that from the important people.

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2. Hello! ITMF mute!Wei Wuxian? Preferably canon era. Thank you!

you're the right time (at the right moment) by carmiemaybe (glazedlilies) (G, 1k, wangxian, Modern, Post-War, Soldier LWJ, mute WWX, Historical, Tooth-Rotting Fluff, Feels, Crush at First Sight, Pining, Short & Sweet, Romance)

The Untamed Retelling by DCandMARVELnerd (T, 86K, WIP, WangXian, Chronic Pain, Chronic Illness, Hurt/Comfort, Major Character Injury, Injury Recovery, Family Feels, Family Fluff, Dysfunctional Family, Abuse, Retelling, Canon Rewrite, Friends to Lovers, Romantic Friendship, Developing Friendships, Love, Fluff, Angst and Feels, Selectively Mute WWX)

Muted by Akabara_13 (T, 46k, WIP, WangXian, Muteness, Emotional/Psychological Abuse, Psychological Trauma, Panic Attacks, Anxiety Attacks, Child Abuse, Childhood Trauma, Angst, For Want of a Nail)

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3. Itmf fics where lxc (or another character, just not people who already knew about truth of bm etc) become aware of the dangerous lying politics that lead to wwx demise (untamed verse) as its happening. And it's like a political intrigue. Like I know there are some 'x-person goes to the burial mounds and sees the truth', but what about fics where people find out because of a dif reason?

ask until your heart gets it right by Stratisphyre (G, 6k, XuanLi, Implied XiYao, Background WangXian, Canon Divergence, Fluff and Humor, Unreliable Narrator JZX, Minor surprise pairing at the end, Fix-It, Everyone Lives/Nobody Dies) not sure it quite fits, but here's a (great!) fic where JXZ wins JGY's loyalty and the latter kinda spills the beans on the Qiongqi Path stuff. It doesn't get into the politics that much though.

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4. I'm in a mood to know what you all are reading right now :D

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5. Itmf what is ur fav unexpected combo yet coolest crossover or fusion fic that you've read? Bonus points if it's not crossed with another MXTX work. I once read a rise of the guardian fusion that was very neat. Esp the begining.

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If also love to see that rise of the guardians fic 👀👀👀

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❤️ More Questions than Answers by tiniestawoo (T, 2k, Sterek, WangXian, Teen Wolf Crossover, Curses, Curse Breaking, Modern with Magic, (alternate for CQL I GUESS?), Full Shift Werewolves, Beta DH, Demonic Cultivation, Crack Treated Seriously, Crack Crossover)

The Return Of the (Yiling) Sith by Zephyr (ZephyrAndTheSilverfish) (T, 23k, WangXian, SongXiao, Star Wars Setting, Hurt/Comfort, Somebody Lives/Not Everyone Dies, Canon-Typical Violence, POV Alternating, The Force, Kidnapping, Pining, IN SPACE!) (Link in #7)

mountains, we met by fruitys (E, 79k, WangXian, Historical, The Handmaiden (2016) Fusion, Enemies to Lovers, Misunderstandings, Secret Identity, Touch-Starved, Sharing a Bed, Mutual Pining, Getting Together, Angst with a Happy Ending, falling for the person you’re supposed to be swindling: the love story, getting revenge on the people who manipulated you: the saga, and some cws……., Implied/Referenced Suicide, Suicide Attempt, Mental Health Issues, Emotional Manipulation, Blow Jobs, Rimming)

A Long Road by Vathara (T, 187k, WangXian, Fluff and Angst, Crossovers & Fandom Fusions, Scheming NHS, Necromancy, Fire, Ghosts, Accidental Child Acquisition, is it an accident if the ghosts keep bringing them?) a Heralds of Valdemar fusion! Caveat that it's necessarily butchered MDZS canon to fit into the Valdemar fantasy series, but it works.

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6. Are there fics where Madam Yu just really gets told off for how she treats people, though especially Wei Ying? I'd especially love to see Lan Zhan do it. Thanks!! @eebee

leading tone by silencemostofall (G, 32k, WangXian, Modern AU, Soulmates, with a lil twist, Eventual Happy Ending, lesbian wq rights, Music, Orchestra, platonic and romantic pining) it's pretty small part (but w big impact) near the end but it's there

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7. Hii ! For this time's itmf , I'm looking for a fic with a concept of there being a 'chosen one'

Kinda similar to this fic "So You Accidentally Kidnapped A Qilin by Mikkeneko" . It can be alternative universe or Canon , thank you♡ @karinasnowwwx

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8. itmf a well-written role reversal fic where lan wangji dies instead of wei wuxian/ jiang yanli. Basically lan wangji dies, and the fallout

If I Could Go Back in Time by Runningbarefoot (M, 122k, WangXian, Canon Divergence, Role Reversal, Somebody Lives/Not Everyone Dies, Pining, Angst with a Happy Ending, Grief/Mourning, YLLZ WWX, Eventual Happy Ending, The Twin Jade Brotherhood, Hurt/Comfort, Character Study, Twin Prides of Yúnmèng Dynamics, Slow Burn)

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9. Are there any fics in which wangxian fight/quarrel a lot?

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10. itmf lwj being roofied @jawla-mukhi

To keep you safe by Lookeri (T, 3k, wangxian, rape/non-con, Implied/Referenced Sexual Assault, Angst, Hurt/Comfort, Protective WWX, Drunk LWJ, Attempted Rape/Non-Con, Attempted Sexual Assault, No War AU, Hurt LWJ, WIP) Only one chapter posted so far though

The Lines of your Soul by athena_crikey (M, 24k, wangxian, LXC/NMJ, rape/non-con, Modern with Magic, photographic cultivation, sects as fucked up as ever, Attempted Rape/Non-Con, for blackmail purposes, Date Rape Drug/Roofies, stigma/judgement, Trauma, Emotional Whump, hurt/comfort, Yu-furen back on her bullshit, politics over people, WWX will always have a traumatic past, Panic Attacks, everyone! needs! THERAPY!)

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11. Hello! I was wondering if anybody knows a fic where LWJ and LXC have to switch places (the concept was mentioned in another fic I've read and I'd love to see what them attempting to act like the other could look like)

Two-Faced by nirejseki (Not Rated, 2k, LXC & NHS, LXC & JGY, Mistaken Identity, early reveal) probably not exactly what you're looking for but maybe worth a look. LXC pretends to be his brother as ?a prank? and it goes disastrously off the rails

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12. Hello! I'm in the mood for a wangxian fic that focuses on Lan Wangji's grief after Wei Wuxian's death and then his feelings throughout their reunion

hold me close by gentil-minou (Flyingsuits) (E, 13k, wangxian, Post-Canon, Hurt/Comfort, Angst with a Happy Ending, Established Relationship, Porn with Feelings, Emotional Sex, Grief, Mental Health Issues, Additional Warnings In Author's Note, tender husbands being tender, 13 years of grieving followed by a life time of healing from it, Do you ever think about how lwj spent 13 years thinking he’d never get this, and then he gets it and how hard that must be to accept, because how could it be real how can he prove to himself, that it’s not all just another dream waiting to shatter is he being cruel to wy, for not believing it some days?, no? just me?, Character Study, Masturbation, Oral Sex, Anal Sex, Working Through Grief With Sex, Grieving Your Husband While Fucking Him)

New Perspective Series by mrcformoso (T, 35k, WangXian, Angst, Hopeful Ending, Fatherhood, Regrets, Flashbacks, POV LWJ, LWJ-centric, Canonical Character Death - WWX, Pining LWJ, LWJ Has Feelings Lán Zhàn | Lán Wàngjī Needs a Hug, Character Development, Dead WWX, Introspection, LWJ is Bad at Feelings, Character Study, Regretful, LWJ Breaking Toxic Cycles, Canon Compliant, LWJ in Seclusion, Post-LWJ in Seclusion, Child LSZ)

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13. hii, thank u for doing imtfs, can I get some fics which deal w additcion?? thanks @mercurygirlwt28

Say More by lettered (E, 95k, wangxian, LWJ/MXY, modern, Pining, Slow Burn, non-graphic drug use, non-graphic withdrawal, Drug Addiction, one suicidal thought, negative thought, wwx struggles with Mandarin and feeling connected to Chinese culture, Compulsory Heterosexuality, wwx kisses a girl, Sexuality Crisis, Gay Panic, some gender confusion and questions without serious gender questioning, incorrect definition of omnisexuality, Open Relationships, Masochistic Fantasies, non-graphic sadomascochistic realities, humiliation fantasies, Submission Fantasies, some D/s realities, one condomless blowjob, suggestions of some unhealthy co-dependence, Possessive Behavior, Slight Consensual Non-Consent, Frottage, the open relationship is not wangxian)

something so flawed and free by verseau (E, 59k, WangXian, Modern AU, College/University, Graduate School, Dom/sub, Implied/Referenced Alcohol Abuse/Alcoholism, Non-Sexual Submission, Kink Negotiation, Biting, Overstimulation, Cock Warming, Consensual Non-Consent, Spanking)

Lifelong Confidant by saved (E, 42k, wangxian, modern, Fluff and Angst, Past Character Death, Families of Choice, Explicit Sexual Content, Idiots in Love, Misunderstandings, Oblivious WWX, playing fast and loose with basic real life things, references to past alcoholism/substance abuse, Alcohol)

Cloud Nine Series by mssdare (E, 86k, WangXian, Modern AU, YouTube, Depression, Alcohol Abuse/Alcoholism, Substance Abuse, Mental Health Issues, Mental Breakdown, Suicidal Thoughts, ASMR, youtuber LWJ, youtuber WWX, Social Media, Getting Together, getting better, Happy Ending, Intercrural Sex, Shower Sex, Sleepy Cuddles, Videoblogging, Sexual Dysfunction, Erectile Dysfunction, Medication, Touching, Anal Sex, Domestic Bliss, Nightmares, Cuddling & Snuggling, Hand Jobs, Blow Jobs, side effects of medication, Slow Pace)

🔒 watching my heart go round by typefortydeductions (E, 77k, wangxian, modern, developing relationship, grief/mourning, suicidal thoughts, suicide attempt, implied/referenced suicide, mental health issues, past alcoholism, dom/sub, BDSM, impact play, consensual non-con, dirty talk, objectification kink, dom LWJ, sub WWX, building a family, the work of getting better, sex in SSRIs, happy ending, breathplay, rimming, orgasm denial, safe word use)

The Life and Times of a Rock Star in Crisis by Hammsters (M, 62k, wangxian, Celebrity au, Modern, Hurt/Comfort, Alcohol Abuse/Alcoholism, Rehabilitation, Dysfunctional Family, Memories, Fluff and Angst, Rock Star WWX, Librarian LWJ, Libraries, Social Media, Paparazzi, WWX has earned his highly publicized mental breakdown, he worked hard for it, Grief/Mourning, Mental Instability, JC being a good brother)

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14. heyyy thanks for all your hard work! itmf any fics that involve lwj being jealous. :) @aquiver-heart

The Epic Lie of the Yiling Laozu and His Wife by JaenysBloodcourt (T, 9k, WangXian, XianQing, NieYao, Fake/Pretend Relationship, Fake Marriage, Misunderstandings, Lies, Jealousy, A really tiny bit of jealous LWJ and JC, Assisted reproduction (mentions of insemination with talismans and other things), Implied/Referenced Sex, Implied Mpreg, yiling wei, WWX Has a New Golden Core, More like a red core, BAMF WWX, Canon Divergence, dialogue heavy in some parts, A little angst, Top/Bottom Versatile | Switch WangXian)

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15. hello again! thank you for your most recent itmf post. i’ve been thoroughly spoiled with amazing fics.

i’ve been reading 🧡 Stunted, Starving Juvenility by TomatenMark for the first time and seeing nie huaisang and wei wuxian’s friendship has inspired me to return to ask for more. the nie clan’s secret cultivation techniques always make me think of how invaluable wei wuxian’s knowledge or help could be to them if only a certain order events happened during canon. so, i was wondering if there were any canon divergent wangxian fics out there that specifically touch on nie huaisang and wei wuxian’s mutually beneficial friendship? preferably pre-nightless city fall/burial mounds raid? anything will do but i really enjoy seeing nie huaisang’s genius completely f*** over jin guangyao specifically. (although jin guanshan, su she, jin zixun, or xue yang downfalls are also lovely to see as well.) thank you in advance ♥️

no one ever said the single-plank bridge had to be walked alone by rosemu (T, 124k, wangxian, Canon Divergence, Yílíng Wèi Sect au, Fix-It, Not Everyone Dies, LWJ Stays at the Burial Mounds, Fluff, Angst, Domestic Fluff, Canon-Typical Violence, Found Family, Slow Burn, LWJ and WWX get to be Dads together, the healing power of homoerotic flute/guqin duets, Happy Ending) NHS helps out the Burial Mounds settlement & absolutely destroys JGY

The Core Issue by Hauntcats (T, 21k, WangXian, Angst with a Happy Ending, Not JC Friendly, Canon Divergence) Has WWX dropping in on NHS & helping NMJ with the Nie Clan's cultivation issues

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16. Hiiiiiii 👋, Firstly, I love this blog so much - it's really amazing. For the next itmf blog, i was wondering if there are any fics where:

A] Wwx is overprotective of lwj and possessive. It can be in a dark wwx vibe but more so like just normal wwx being so defensive and concerned about lwj in front of others.

B] Some royalty au where wx is in an arranged marriage and wwx is smitten

C] any fics where wwx did something wrong and has to work hard to get lwj back (they dont have to break up/ separate- maybe he just has to work to get back in lwj's good graces)

- please let all have happy endings with wx as the main couple

Thaaaank you💕

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17. Hey, guys! For ITMF, are there fics where WWX has to rebuild his spice tolerance in MXY's body? I refuse to believe that they both have the same tolerance when WWX likes his food saturated to a point that other spice-enjoyers think is a bit much & MXY barely got food at all. (Bonus if he now finds Lan food tasty & is just So Offended about that. Extra bonus if his alcohol tolerance is gone too.) @thispatternismine

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labseraph · 2 months ago

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I Started From the Bottom/And Now I’m Rich - x_los - 魔道祖师 - 墨香铜臭 | Módào Zǔshī - Mòxiāng Tóngxiù [Archive of Our Own]

This is an insane ride of a fabulous fix-it fic. Black widow! Wei Wuxian ftw!

#the untamed #mo dao zu shi #the grandmaster of demonic cultivation #wei ying #wei wuxian #cool fic #fic rec

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rottingcheng · 26 days ago

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ZhanCheng Day 4: Second Helping

Prompt: Jc was LXC's wife, but after his passing, he turned into HGJ's wife. Suggested by Jiāng Yanli. ao3 link. warnings: minor NSFW, mcd lxc

"Wangji has always been dutiful, and a faultless brother in every sense of the word. He will treat you well, my love. I promise you this much."

His husband's hands were always cold these days. He squeezed them, hoping to transfer a warmth that wouldn't last.

The doctor had quoted a week at most. Zewu-Jun's condition had been depleting ever since their union, and Jiang Wanyin couldn't help but feel that it was his fault, that the curse around his name had encircled its tendrils around his spouse's wrists, dragging him down to Wanyin's depths.

Lan XiChen had always been good to him after the war. After the Lotus Pier massacre, Jiang Wanyin had nothing; no one to turn to, no sect to lead, and no golden core. Wei WuXian had disappeared and his sister was married off in Meishan. He really should have died under Wen Zhuliu's hand, but, as the tricks of fate would have it, he survived against all odds. A broken man. A nothing.

If it weren't for Zewu-Jun's grace, he would have remained a displaced ex-prisoner of war, floating aimlessly in the world without a name or a future. Zewu-Jun brought him back, married him though it brought little political benefit to the Lan family, giving him the title Lan Furen, giving him status, a home, love, and security. It was difficult to describe the length of his gratitude for that.

Watching the man who saved him slowly die before his eyes left an acrid taste in his mouth. His heart wrung, and all the meaning in the world seemed to shift around him. Life without Zewu-Jun's touch. Zewu-Jun's soft expressions. Zewu-Jun's love. Would despair be enough to describe it?

The wedding came less than a month after the funeral procession. It was instructed so in Lan XiChen's final will. He didn't want Wanyin to have to mourn him, or have him risk sabotage whilst in the vulnerable political position of a sect leader's widow. Lan XiChen always thought of everything. After the traumas of the war, he never wanted his wife to suffer any insecurity again. A safe, cushy life in the Cloud Recesses, wanting for nothing, loved and cared for until his final days. That was Lan XiChen's dream for him. That was the life he planned for Wanyin even after his death.

"You don't have to consummate the marriage," said Wanyin on the night of his second wedding. "I'm sorry you have to be marrying me at all."

The words 'used goods' lingered on his tongue. Lan Wangji advanced towards him, red wedding robes shifting gold in the light. He looked exactly like his brother, except for his eyes. Wanyin felt sick, like a ghost was descending upon him.

Lan Wangji was wordless as he laid Wanyin's body onto the bed and unwrapped each layer of his wedding robes. Though he was slow, his eyes were feverish, misted in focus. He paused when he reached Wanyin's dudou, embroidered with a pure white crane. It somewhat pleased him; Lan Wangji had been struck by Wanyin's own handiwork, the embroidery he started when the news of his first husband's illness first arrived.

Wangji ripped the piece from his chest and descended upon his neck.

The pleasure was unexpected. Jiang Wanyin had resigned himself to celibacy long ago, so the sudden savage fucking he received from his previous husband's brother left him gasping, wide-eyed, and shaken.

"I will perform my duties as both sect leader and your husband."

Hanguang-Jun's face descended between his wife's legs, which were trembling.

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He found the bottles in a hidden drawer in Wangji's study. He had been brewing his husband cloud tea; part of his duties as a sect leader's wife. Lan Wangji entered when the tea had already gone dark and undrinkable.

He was silent as he observed the sight on his table: bottles tipped over, spilling strange tea leaves on paperwork; Wanyin staring up at him with a poisonous look in his eyes.

"For how long were you brewing your brother arsenic tea?"

Wangji's eyes widened for a millisecond, before returning to their usual cold. He said nothing.

"Did you want to be sect leader that badly? He would have forfeited the position had you simply asked."

The man before him descended to the other side of the table, face level to his. He placed his hands on the surface, two fingers pinching a dry tendril of tea.

"It was not for the position," he said. He looked up, golden eyes like second suns. "It was to have you."

Wanyin sputtered. "You killed your brother just to steal his wife? After everything he did for you? He loved you, Wangji."

The man twirled the tea leaf between his fingers, expression unchanging. "He would not have been willing to share you. Brother went through great lengths to procure you, A-Yin. Obsessively."

Wanyin's shoulders twitched.

"You enjoy me better, anyhow, A-Yin. Is that not the truth?"

"You'll be tried for murder, Wangji."

The tea-twirling fingers lifted to Wanyin's chin, lifting it close.

"That will not be the case, dear A-Yin."

Their noses were an inch apart.

"I'll tell everyone."

"No, you won't."

He lifted the fingers to Wanyin's mouth, and pressed the poisoned tea leaves between his wife's lips.

"You know this to be poison because you have been using it too. Have you been poisoning my tea as well, A-Yin? After everything I've done for you."

When Wanyin gasped, his husband pushed the tea leaf onto his soft tongue, hydrating arsenic taste upon the wet muscle.

"I know you hated him, baobei. The indignity of being a sect leader's bitch. It would have been better mercy to let you fade into obscurity in a quiet town. He gave you no choice, paraded you like a trophy, fancied himself a saint for it."

Wangji pressed down on his mouth and Wanyin's eyes became watery with the pressure. Wangji exhaled, an amused chuckle.

"No wonder he died so quickly. We were both poisoning him."

He descended upon Wanyin's lips and their tongues crossed, arsenic passing between them as their mouths joined, wet and noisy.

Wanyin snorted mid-kiss. It was indeed a little bit funny now that he thought about it. Maybe he won't report Wangji this time. Birds of a feather ought to stick together after all.

Also, the sex they had afterwards was amazing.

Written for Milk's 30 Days of ZhanCheng! Ao3 Collection.

#milks30daysofzhancheng #zhancheng #milk writes

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travalerray · 9 months ago

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do you think if jc got de-aged far back enough he would be really clingy and refuse to be put down

Thanks for the ask!

Okay so um. Assuming that this takes place post canon and JC doesn't like...lose his memories during the de-aging, and just wakes up one day fully kiddified CWN-style, he would probably really....hate it lmao. The Vulnerability of it all, yk? On top of that, while JL might find him cute enough to not put his kid Jiujiu down(except said Jiujiu will hiss and howl until he is compelled to do so), I don't know about a Jiang Cheng who assumes that he's genuinely unlikeable and won't go out seeking affection in general. Because he certainly won't ask it from his disciples and definitely not from Mr "It's all in the past now" "It was repaying a debt" because what is he going to ask? Hi, you gave your core to me and shouldered all of that by yourself because apparently you couldn't bother to tell a single thing to me so now I want so cling to you? Hah. Like he has ever stuck around.

...... honestly it will probably make him feel worse. The first time around his father barely held him and it was because he was too much like his mother (inherently unlikeable). This time too no one will pick him up because.... he's inherently unlikeable. Poor guy. At least he has his nephew.

Short answer: Jiang Cheng would love to be physically clingy de-aged but he would die before asking for it because thank you Jiang Fengmian for being the father of the year and to canon(Wei Wuxian) for making him the isolated widow of the decade.

#......I wrote this with the consideration that he would be able to actually like. Think™.#And wouldn't end up as a mewling infant. Because that would be a whole different level of trauma for everyone involved #kk's ask tag #jiang cheng #mdzs #grandmaster of demonic cultivation #mo dao zu shi

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red-black-aesthetic-bout · 2 years ago

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