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I used to be sooooo apologetic about hc/ing characters as trans but with a different gender than they have in canon for absolutely no good reason. Especially hc/ing 'male' characters as transfem like I remember the first time I talked about a transfem dabi reading where I was like 'oh but I'll still be using he/him in this post cause the character's an egg in denial in the hc and those are the canon pronouns...' now I just she/her my babygirls in the notes of other ppl's posts. real ones will understand.
#well the reason was transphobia#and transmisogyny#cause i remember being scared people would be mad at me for 'msigendering' a character by using she/her#on the literal post where i talk about transfem readings??? ok#and i can't tell whether i was just picking up on the latent vibes of fandom transmisogyny or if that was all in me#and it's probably the latter tbh like even if fandom has a transmisogyny problem why did i feel the need to appease it#anyway i'm normal now
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Hey everyone,
'The New ThoughtCrime' is an anti-trans community detransitioner essay
Just wanted to give a heads up to the FTM community on here that a user named @mewthoughtcrime is trying to repost the 'New ThoughtCrime' think piece from 2017 - tagging it with this such as 'trans man', 'nonbinary' and 'transandrophobia'.
However this blog fails to mention that the main author of said piece is a lesbian who considers herself a detransitioner. While there is nothing at all wrong with that -
the problem more comes from the fact that said author also believes the trans community is a cult.
This quote comes from the author's interview with Genspec - an organization that pretends to be trans supportive, while also believing trans kids are a myth, trans men are just confused teen girls, and pushing the book Irreversible Damage.
The author also believe in the idea of 'cotton-cieling' - a terf dog whistle that implies trans women intend to force lesbians to sleep with 'males who identify as lesbians'.
The think piece is NOT at all about trans men or transandrophobia.
It's about detransitioning from a woman who believes the trans community engages in 'thought reform' - in a way akin to cults.
The piece reads largely inspired by 'Irreversible Damage' - an anti-FTM shred-piece. This is basically J.K Rowling ideology.
They're in their right to repost whatever they want, especially if that piece of writing specifically spoke to them and other detransitioning folk.
However I do think it's incredibly disingenuous and sneaky to not include this information - or the true nature and intention of the work - in the Tumblr post, as the original author was very clear in stating so.
To post such a piece without tagging the detrans community is a disservice to them and a deliberate choice towards us.
The piece is not at all about transandrophobia - the OP is simply mistagging it to target particular groups - mainly, actively transitioning FTM who are looking for community.
This isn't to say you can't read and enjoy the piece, or connect to it. You absolutely can, it's about someones valid personal experience (well - some parts.) that's eloquently written.
What I do not support however is posting such material, purposely and vaguely mistagging it, while not explaining the contents, the context, and the intent of the author clearly.
I believe readers should always be informed about the source and intention of the writers of the information they received.
People should be allowed to make informed choices about what they read and involve themselves in - whether that be trans politics, or reading think pieces online.
That's why I am making this post.
'The New ThoughtCrime' is an Anti-Trans Community think-piece that targets trans men and lesbians by supporting TERF ideology.
Read with that information in mind. With the situation going on now with staff, I think it's important to be on high alert for indoctrination or misleading literature like this.
By all means, read if you like. I was just not at all impressed with the lack of transparency from @mewthoughtcrime when it comes to detailing the actual contents and source of that information.
It's one thing to call the trans community a cult - before turning around and releasing anonymous faceless think-pieces that you spread around without sources or actively informing others of its contents, in order to purposely get a demographic of people who do not wish to interact with you to unwillingly engage in your rhetoric.
As a essay that calls for 'transparency in the trans community' we can first start by lending some transparency to THIS essay.
Stay safe and stay informed y'all ✌🏾
#i wouldn't be making this post if they had been clear about the nature of the piece#the original blog was VERY forthcoming about the intention of the piece so OP should be as well#You claim to want to spread information - but you refuse to include the information about the work you wish to share#For a deliberate and calculated reason#I'm not gonna sit here and let you trick trans people into reading your bull#I wouldn't sit here and let black people get tricked into reading eugenics shit either#Always remember y'all - you are not immune to propaganda#ftm#trans ftm#transgender#trans masc#trans guy#trans man#transphobes#transphobia#terf ideology#trans misogyny#transandrophobia#transmisogny tw#transmisogyny#lgbtq#lgbtqia#lgbt#queer#nonbinary#enby
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I may very well be swinging a bat at a hornet's nest, but I find it very interesting that the crowd that (rightfully) says "Read another book" to Harry Potter fans among the J.K. Rowling bullshit has a not-insignificant overlap with the crowd that has also only read one book (and that book is Whipping Girl).
#and they don't even read it particularly well for how much they insist that everybody reads it#the premise is that transphobia is rooted in sexism. more specifically misogyny#you would think that that the reader would make the logical connection and say 'hey this group of men who grew up as women also experience#sexism and more specifically misogyny due to having been forced to grow up as women'#and instead the prevailing conclusion is 'trans men have male privilege and are oppressing their fellow trans people -#- by virtue of being men'#or bullshit like 'trans men really are the men of the trans community' when we dare to speak on issues that are specific to our section of#the community and the overlap between FTM oppression and overall societal misogyny. the mind boggles#in order to have male privilege you first have to be seen as a man by society at large. and that does not apply to trans men nor to trans -#women. they see trans men as delusional little girls and trans women as whatever slur they can think of. but not as men usually#we are supposed to be playing for the same team and yet some of you are tackling your teammates on the field for no reason other than -#wanting a scapegoat#'read Whipping Girl 🙄' I did. years ago now. but did YOU?#to those i'm discussing: feel free to call me a transandrobro or a theyfab or whatever. IDGAF. just block me after you inevitably do it#LGBT#trans#sexism#misogyny#TME/TMA#trans men#disk horse#transphobia#transmisandry#transandrophobia#anti-transmasculinity#intracommunity issues#intracommunity transphobia
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radical feminism making a comeback (/derogatory) was not on my 2024 bingo card
#aaaaaah the sweet smell of gender essentialism#you are not in lysistrata this is not going to do anything outside of your own little bubble#the truly unhinged thing is that i have seen more than a few people saying ‘well i can’t do 4b so i’m doing things to decentre men such as#reading only female authors’ which is all well and good#but then the comment agreeing with them say things like ‘i hate every book i read by a man. they are soulless and lack depth and idk why#they bother writing them’#my sister in christ. have you considered that you were reading a bad book#not to be all ‘oh the poor men’ about it. but gender essentialism is not the way to free yourselves#intersectionality is so so so crucial for this precise reason#like when you hear ‘the 4b movement in korea is virulently transphobic’ the response to that should not be ‘oh we’ll just do it but not be#transphobic’ the response is to look at the movement to identify the core ideological issues that are the wellspring of said transphobia#anyway. time is a flat circle and i feel we’re about to be inundated with andrea dworkin takes fresh from the 1980s
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I wanna know if you have any thoughts on Valka and Sroicks parenting and how that affects hiccup? Because I'm loving so much of your content rn, especially your drawings!! But when I see stuff like Tgirl Hiccup while I think they would be supportive, I don't think they would be ... the best because their not really the best. Like ofc they tried even Val when she came back, but it doesn't and won't ever make up for everything else it's so complicated, and nuisanced would love to hear your thoughts!!
Im going to break this post into addressing stoick and valka separately because valka is such a non-entity in hiccup and stoick’s familial life. valka’s section will be underneath the ‘read more’
But I definitely agree! Unfortunately for Hiccup (and also not to project ijbol), it’s so hard because stoick’s best isn’t enough. Oh, stoick tries! He tries so hard — between the movies and the shows, he so clearly cares for his son. But he can never be just Hiccup’s dad; Stoick is the Chief of Berk before he’s Hiccup’s father, and both he and Hiccup know that. Hiccup grows up self sufficient and is used to a lonely home. The kind of free reign that he gets (and the resulting knee-jerk reaction he has to any kind of responsibility after 15 years of said free reign) doesn’t make for great conditions to cultivate a healthy, loving, traditional parental relationship
Still — i think stoick is more supportive than we give him credit for, at least going off the RoB/DoB characterizations. (Again, I haven’t finished watching RTTE, so Im not gonna speak for anything there.) When Hiccup makes moves for more freedom and responsibility, even as early as s01e01 “How to Start a Dragon Academy”, Stoick works with Hiccup to grant him that freedom. He makes attempts to connect to his son, albeit misguided and inevitably circling back to his own interests/role as the chief of Berk and not just Hiccup’s dad. For example, s01e07 “How to Pick your Dragon” shows Stoick ending up listening to Hiccup about getting a dragon, even though he mostly gets a dragon because it further suits his interests as a chief, which he realizes on the flight Toothless and Hiccup take him on. Which also leads to the core conflict of the episode! Because Stoick’s attempts to understand Hiccup are ultimately rooted in his own narrow perception of the world, that there is a Right way and Wrong way to do things, and Hiccup’s way is most definitely not the right way.
But Stoick listens. Over time, he picks up the signs when his child is frustrated and genuinely asks how he can help (s02e15 “A Tale of Two Dragons” 3 options talk). And after the events of the first movie, Stoick makes more attempts to involve Hiccup in his going-ons, such as the portrait of the chief’s family or contacting Johann to find a beloved childhood plushie. So i think stoick tries, and his best isn’t enough, so thank god hiccup isn’t dependent on only stoick and the both of them know this. And just because the both of them know this doesn’t mean that stoick doesn’t try to improve their relationship at all. In the end, he’s just really set in his own ways and his own traditions.
So in a world where Hiccup is trans, I do think Stoick is supportive no matter what direction Hiccup ends up going. Is he confused? Yes, always, because there isn’t a very established tradition even if Berk does have a history of trans folk. I think stoick has to try really really hard, and he messes up a lot in the beginning. Like, you know when your parents are trans affirming in a really weird and even insulting way? That happens a lot for Hiccup and Stoick. But they work together and Stoick works to try and get on Hiccup’s level, whether that means sending terror-mail to Johann to inquire about trans literature or gender-affirming clothes or dialing Gothi to move Hiccup’s t/e prescription to the front of the line.
……..argh, Valka.
Of course Valka tried when she came back, but the conscious decision to stay away for twenty years and miss some of the most important milestones in your child’s life says a lot, and I think Hiccup also knows that. Especially because of how similar they are, even though Valka would immediately accept and adore and absolutely love Hiccup and all his Hiccup-ness right off the bat… I think he’s aware of how different and better his life could’ve been with Valka’s understanding presence. In the end, one parent stayed and tried their best. And one didn’t really try at all, not until they reconnected again.
And like! I dont think Valka and Hiccup would ever be as close as Stoick and Hiccup were. Like it is one thing to idolize your parent in absentia and build up this idealistic wholesome perfect image of who they are, getting your characterization from their partner who never got over them even after 20 years. And it is another thing to meet that parent and realize… wow! They also don’t measure up to what I needed them to be as a child.
And so for all of Valka’s understanding, for all of the easiness it is for Valka to understand Hiccup, especially in a world where Hiccup is trans — it’s not Valka who had to deal with the bureaucracy of Hiccup’s gender change, nor aided in the social transition for people Hiccup has spent his entire life with. It’s not Valka who asked uncertain, blunt and somewhat invasive questions about Hiccup’s new identity, or found weird and strange ways to support it. It’s not Valka who would’ve gotten an entirely new wardrobe commissioned or talked to Gothi about medical transition.
Like, I think Valka tries, and it’s easy for her to understand the idea and support Hiccup. But i dont think she’d ever be Hiccup’s first choice when it comes to questions about who s/he is, not when there are people who stayed and tried much harder than her, and know far more about Hiccup than she ever did and maybe will.
#asks#anonymous#httyd#how to train your dragon#thank you for the ask! i hope you dont mind the veryyyyy lengthy response lol#oddly enough i just kept on thinking about how autistic the entire haddock family is#hiccup and valka? total no-brainer#stoick is one of those people where years later hiccup will text the dragon rider gc going#by thor’s hammer my father is neurodivergent but he would die laughing at the idea of getting diagnosed#cue snotlout emphasizing the text#also valka is a fun character but there is relatively little content i can dredge up about her#than i can stoick#so apologies for the disparity in thought and analysis… argh#trans hiccup#i talk little about berk being fantasy transphobic btw because of a couple of reasons#I personally am really tired of involving fantasy transphobia when i already deal with it enough irl#and in a society where your warrior strength defines whether you live or die#i doubt they’re that concerned about what’s in your pants at all#hiccup being an outcast reads more to me about an otherness constructed based on the social concept of disability#even though i thoroughly enjoy queer readings of the series as well#em.txt
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i feel like perhaps my own sense of morality and personhood gets a lil lost in translation when i do analysis type shit so just some things to keep in mind when reading anything from me
i dont really have an internal sense of morality, simply consequences and principles
this means i dont really care for whats "good", simply for whats logical which can sometimes be confused for/muddled with whats good cause to me whats logical is whatever causes the least problems in the long run
this also means that things like hypocricy, selfishness, deceit, etc are value neutral to me and are only really problems when they actually Cause problems so when i say someone has a trait thats commonly seen as something negative i dont necessarily see it as such
related to the above, i believe most personality traits are value neutral including things commonly seen as "good" and that on their own they dont mean much of anything, their meanings come from how the actual person uses them
its also why i dont really take much note of "negative" values until they pass a certain threshold or if im specifically talking about those traits
i react a lot more than i actually feel cause if i align with what i actually feel then yall are literally getting nothing from me ever lol
im a Lot more paranoid and emotionally & interpersonally disconnected than i let on which definitely colors how i do analysis
this especially applies to psychology things cause things related to it can be a genuine danger for me (both socially and my own psyche) so im a lot more hyperreactive of warning signs regarding that (whether perceived or true)
uhh i dont think it actually Changes what i say but it might change how yall read my posts, unless ig youre someone who already assumed i dont actually care that much lol
#mine.tks#theres very few traits i consider objectionable no matter what and its shit like being fascist; rapist; etc#and the ones i consider bad even without context can be worked on such as racism; transphobia; etc#and things both i and other ppl find bad we may find bad for different reasons#most just kinda dont matter to me until they Actually start causing unnegotiable problems#idk expecting someone to only have ''good''' traits ever is just kinda... okay idk the right word for it but like eugenicist#so yeah when i call idk zam fickle or kab hypocritical or bacon annoying or ash egotistical#and when i call minute heroic or 4c generous or branzy wise or hannah just#i dont necessarily say them as good or bad things its just how they are; whether they make it good or bad or neutral is up to them#well thats in my own personal sense of morality anyway#ive talked about it before but there Are traits i consider good or bad in a lifesteal context#but its mainly based on what is most useful to the lsers themselves rather than any moral judgement on my part#and just like the traits outside of the ls context; the lsers can flip circumstance around and use those traits to the their dis/advantage
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The Cass Review coming out and the media frenzy surrounding it makes it feel like the world is falling apart around us. I'm very fortunate to live outside the UK at the moment, but my heart goes out to the trans people that are facing these current circumstances. It feels like the US will follow soon, and the rug will be pulled out from under us at any point.
How do we survive? How do I know if my friends will be okay? What if I fully transition just to be persecuted for the rest of my life? What will happen to us?
It's terrifying out here right now - if you have any advice on how you handle any of it, it would be greatly appreciated.
- a young trans person
I think so much of this relies on community support - you won't be alone in this, so you shouldn't live life alone in this. Regardless of potential intracommunity bickering, regardless of if we perfectly get along, no matter if someone passes or not, or has a complex identity or not, we all are affected by transphobia. We have to be in it together, to fight and support together.
Nobody knows, truly, what the next few years or decades are in store for us so, frankly, I think we invest as much as possible for the future, but also try to live. You don't just deserve to survive, you deserve to thrive. So whatever you do, I hope you're able to pause for even the briefest of moments. I hope you eat well, I hope you smile genuinely, I hope you laugh, I hope you dance. Fear and stress will literally kill you. I know for me, the stress I felt pre-transition absolutely would have killed me eventually - I don't wish that on anyone. It's absolutely reasonable to be scared about the future, I'm not saying it's not, but what I am saying is that you deserve a break. You deserve hope.
From a (perhaps slightly) older trans person: It can absolutely get better. Those tiny glimmers of hope that you cling to like diamonds won't be so few and far between. That sounds like absolute bullshit when you're on the receiving end of this, and I know that because I've been in that position, but something else that helps me through those "negative" feelings is this:
We survive. We have always survived. We have lost an unconscionable amount of people, but they won't be forgotten. No matter what happens, we keep surviving. The world cannot leave us behind without leaving behind swaths of humanity because we belong in the fabric of society. And something about that reassures me, because it is a reminder that we have existed and will continue to exist. And that means that we will outlive the hatred.
You're going to survive with us. In fact, I think you can thrive and not just survive, and I think that's something that doesn't happen in spite of the 'phobes, but rather it happens because you are an inherent equal person who is entitled to happiness.
#ask#anon#trans#transgender#lgbt#lgbtq#ftm#mtf#nonbinary#transphobia#transphobia tw#whatever action you can reasonably take in your position or country is worth pursuing as well...#...such as things like protest but it's also a nuanced subject in that...#...you might not be /able/ to do some of that stuff and frankly i don't think it's always the best option for some folks...#...so i tend to try to also emphasize how important you as an individual *and* the broader community are#because you have inherent worth regardless of what you contribute. your worth never depends on Proving Your Worth
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transmasc chris isn't my favorite headcanon for him for deeply personal reasons however i can see the vision for it. my thing is though is that you're going to do it you HAVE to make him weird and repressed about it...........this is a man who's still actively in contact with his abusive conservative parents just because he's transitioned doesn't mean he's accepted himself in any way shape or form you know what i mean
#this post was inspired by a fic i tried to read which i will not call out but did come across as very ooc to me ghlkasdjf#if your transmasc chris is not actively struggling with toxic masculinity and internalized transphobia then that is not my man!!#the goes wrong show#chris bean#marshy speaks#abuse tw#transphobia mention#ask to tag#tbh in general i tend to shy away from trans headcanons for their canon gender for characters like chris#if that makes sense. like personally i can't see him already having gone through hrt or anything like that#that doesn't mean these headcanons are wrong or anything they just don't really work for me#and this is part of the reason. why people make canonically repressed characters way too cool about their own gender#like this wouldn't be a bundle of issues for them...........like he would NOT be that well adjusted about being a man agkldsjfk. be so fr
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byan once full-on tackled a kid during a soccer game in gym and started just pummeling him in front of their whole class because he intentionally punted the ball at their head.
the kid in question had been tormenting them for months since they transferred to the school and, after an already shit day, they'd been at their wit's end. the ball hitting the side of their head was just the thing that sent them over the edge.
later that same day, they slammed his head into a locker because they got in trouble and he didn't, having claimed that hitting them had been an accident. they earned a week's suspension on top of their week's detention for this.
in the past, this boy had been one of the reasons byan would skip out on school, their anxiety and fear of what would be in store for them each day making them physically ill. he would hurl awful insults at them, pull incredibly meanspirited pranks on them with intent of causing embarrassment and sometimes harm, and sometimes took it as far as physical assault. somehow, he almost always managed to avoid getting in trouble for any of this.
the soccer incident was the final straw for byan. after that, they stopped trying to talk to any teachers or adults in general about what was going on and they took it into their own hands. violently. however, they never instigated, only ever retaliated — naturally, the kid was often able to make it seem like it was the other way around. byan's reputation only continued to get worse, and somehow, no matter how badly they managed to hurt him in return, he always came back with a vengeance instead of backing down and leaving them alone.
one time, they bit his hand so hard that he needed to get stitches. they earned themself a broken nose and a concussion for it, but to this day they hope he looks at that scar and remembers the pain and fear they caused him, even if it was only a fraction of what he'd put them through.
somehow, it wasn't until byan broke a mirror with his face that they were expelled from that school and finally got to move on to a different one. some part of them was vindictive enough to want to hunt him down and make his life miserable the way he made theirs, but there was an intense fear of seeing him again spurred both by trauma and the knowledge that he might not hold anything back while not on school grounds which ultimately stopped them.
#this is not very well written bc my brain is just. not doing great.#but i'm thinking about byan's experiences with bullying today for some reason#this was probably around 13 or 14 when their life was already hell. like those were their lowest years by far and somehow things only#ever seemed to get worse. even when they thought it couldn't.#it was also the time where they'd finally started dressing the way they wanted and they leaned wayyyy into cute femme looks which. you know#was absolutely part of why the kid tormented them so badly.#feel like the bathroom & gym locker room were probably where the worst of it happened.#ANYWAY. i'm depressing myself thinking about it too much lmao#i'm setting this down and slipping back off into my game.......#━━ ˟ ⊰ ✰ headcanon ⋮ danger in the fabric of this thing i made.#bullying cw#assault cw#transphobia cw
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Currently having a breakdancing session with myself<333
#im Turing 21 tomorrow#im gonna cry#I don’t want to spend time with my family#i don’t understand#they don’t even like me xjsjhjdhs#its sad that the moment I move away I’ll be low contact with all of them://#my life is going no where#I want to leave#but I’m disabled and not mentally stable enough dndjhdjxks#but they just think I’m lazy#like bro I have doctors appointments smsmjsks#I faint when I’m out in public#i hate my birthday#so much#im not in the closet but at this point I wish I was sjjsjdks#the only reason I’m still home and not kicked out is because my dad cared well he tires#my mother would have kicked me out#girlie gonna kicked me out for shaving my head#and getting a binder#both my parents are transphobic but they’re both different kinds of transphobe#dad is ignorant transphobia#mother fucking dislikes us teehee#she’d rather kick me out#can’t believe I let this women beat the shit out of me everyday for 13 years#whelp#im not ready to be 21#I wasn’t ready to be 20#I wasn’t ready to be 18#I suck at everything wtf dnmdnddm#man idk why I’m still kicking tbh
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the way i can come on here and say i think sonic is trans or amy is a lesbian who hasnt realized it yet or that knuckles and jet are in love with sonic and people will be like Fuck yes. Reblog . has made me forget that if you say anything like that on other sites people will be like Umm ..... No theyre not you cant say that ....
#i would be eaten alive on sonic twitter or sonic reddit i think#well i hate those areas of the fanbase for other reasons too but you know#''sonic isnt trans'' L + ratio + no joy or whimsy + i know him personally and he said that he is#also its funny how these people get mad over lgbt headcanons/ships because theyre not canon or theres no evidence or whatever#but when somebody headcanons whatever character as cishet or likes a non canon m/f pairing or even claims said pairing is canon#its fine and nobody cares. like its obviously just thinly veiled homophobia/transphobia
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penguinz0 does objectively make slop content but its also so low effort its frankly admirable
#like he doesnt pretend what he makes has more value than it actually does. he just wants to talk about whatever he feels like and since he#has maxed out plot armor his fans will listen regardless of what he post. you can say he only post about drama but thats objectively false#its just the drama stuff that gets the most views. if he actually cared about just making as much money as possible he would only talk abou#drama but he doesnt do that. he talks about his interest in movies and games and weird things he finds online. its not at all just drama#reason im so determined to defend him is because he was pretty well respected and generally seen as a cool guy. it was only after that#sneako debate when he came out as pro trans that people decided he was cringe. like you shouldve seen it. the#interet was so brainrotted by transphobia they decided the guy defending child marriage was more right than the guy defending trans rights#penguinz0#moist critikal
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terfs when a study shows literally anything positive about trans people/transitioning: 'hm i think this requires some fact-checking. Were those researchers REALLY unbiased? Because if they were biased this doesn't count and if they weren't knowingly biased they probably were unconsciously biased, woke media affects so much these days. Have there been any other studies on this? Because if there haven't been this could be an outlier and if there have been and they all agree that's a bit odd, why aren't there any outliers, and if there have been and any disagree we really won't know the truth until we very thoroughly analyze them all, will we? Were there enough subjects for a good sample size? Did every single subject involved stay involved through the whole study because if they didn't we should be sure nothing shady was going on resulting in people dropping out. Are we 110% sure all the subjects were fully honest and at no point were embarrassed or afraid to admit they didn't love transitioning to the people in charge of their transition? Are we 110% sure none of the subjects were manipulated into thinking they were happy with their transition? In fact we should double-check what they think with their parents, because if the subjects and their parents disagree it's probably because they've been manipulated but their cis parents have not and are very unbiased. How many autistic subjects were there because if there weren't enough then this doesn't really study the overlap between autistic and trans and if there were too many then we just don't know enough about what causes that overlap to be sure this study really explains being trans and isn't just about being autistic. How many AFAB subjects were there because if there weren't enough this is just another example of prioritizing AMAB people and ignoring the different struggles of girls and women and if there were too many how do we know sexism didn't affect the results. Was the study double-blinded? We all know double-blinded is the most reliable so if this one wasn't that's a point against it even if the thesis literally physically could not be double-blinded. Look i'm not being transphobic, i want what's best for trans people! Really! But as a person who is not trans and therefore objective in a way they cannot possibly be, i just think we should only take into account Good Science here. You want to be following science and not being manipulated or experimented upon by something unscientific, right?'
terfs when they see a study of 45 subjects so old it predates modern criteria for gender dysphoria and basically uses 'idk her parents think she's too butch', run by a guy who practiced conversion therapy, 'confirmed' by a guy who treated the significant portion of subjects who didn't follow up as all desisting, definitely in the category of 'physically cannot double-blind this', completely contradicted by multiple other studies done on actual transgender subjects, but can be kinda cited as evidence against transitioning if you ignore everything else about it: 'oOOH SEE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKIN BOUT. SCIENCE. Just good ol' unbiased thorough analysis. I see absolutely no reason to dig any deeper on this and if you think it's wrong you're the one being unscientific. It's really a shame you've been so thoroughly brainwashed by the trans agenda and can't even accept science when you see it. Maybe now that someone has finally uncovered this long-lost study from 1985, we can make some actual progress on the whole trans problem.'
#science#transphobia#cass review#less 'cass review' generally more 'zucker specifically' because this same problem exists outside cass#have lost count of the number of times i've seen 'well THAT study may have said most trans kids persist but it MUST be wrong'#'there's another study says the exact opposite. that one's right. obviously.'#but cass is why i'm annoyed by it now#normally i don't have a problem with critical observations and questions. yeah check your science! that's good!#there have been some bullshit studies and some bullshit interpretations of good studies! scientific literacy is important!#and normally also am willing to pretend the people pulling reaction 1 on some studies and reaction 2 on others are. not the same group.#but now there's a ton of cass supporters tryna say 'oh the cass review didn't reject or downplay anything for being pro-trans!'#'some studies just weren't given much weight for being poor evidence! not our fault those were all studies with results trans people like!'#…….………….aight explain why zucker's findings are used for the 'percentage of trans kids who don't stay trans' stat instead of anyone else's.#would've been more scientifically accurate to say 'yeah we just don't know.'#'studies have been done but none of them fit our crack criteria sooooo *shrug*'#like COME ON at least PRETEND you're genuinely checking scientific correctness and not looking for excuses to weed out undesirable results#am also mad about zucker in particular because his is possibly the most famous bullshit study#quite bluntly if you're doing trans research and think 'yeah this one seems reasonable' you. are maybe not well-informed enough for the job#there's just no way you genuinely look at the research with an eye toward accurate science regardless of personal bias#and walk away thinking 'hm that zucker fellow seems reasonable. competent scientists will respect that citation.'#that's one or two steps above doing a review of vaccine science and seriously citing wakefield's mmr-causes-autism study#it doesn't matter what the rest of your review says people are gonna have OPINIONS on that bit#and outside anti-vaxxers most of those opinions will be 'are you actually the most qualified for this because ummmm.'#people who agree with everything else will still think someone more competent could've done a much better job#people who disagree with everything else will point to that as proof you don't know shit and why should we listen to you#anyway i'd love a hugeass trans science review with actual fucking standards hmu if you know of one cause this ain't it#……does tumblr still put a limit on how many tags you can include guess me and my tag essay are about to find out.
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“guys transmisogyny isnt WORSE than transphobia towards trans men/transmis/ndry” um….. idk…….. misogyny IS worse than. mis/ndry. idk guys……
#like i know its like ‘oppression olympics arent helpful’. in theory but i only see this takw to shut down transmisogyny discussions#‘but trans men go through [transphobia that also applies to trans women] is like never a good argument. YES trans men are medically#discriminated against. so are trans women……… idk why people bring that up#i really dont think ‘trans women have it worse than trans men’ is like all that helpful to say generallybut the reason ppl hate the phrase#isnt really bc they believe that we’re all trans they hate us all equally (well they may but theyre misinformed then) but bc they think#trans women have it BETTER than trans men or that trans men CANNOT have male. privilege#yknow??? what im saying??? maybe listen to trans women instead of like trying to see whwre this falls in relation to your inability to be#oppressive idk. youre all able to be discriminatory and transphobic and misogynistic. trans women arent even excluded from that so like who#are you arguing with#simons spouting
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hey a post about transmisogyny !! I sure hope the poster doesn't deliberately say trans and cis men can not be the victim of genital sexualization, sexual or verbal harrasment, fetishization or violence !
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#guys you can talk about transmisogeny without saying trans men arent over sexualized#we are. acknowledging transmisogeny or any type of transphobia for that matter should never include denial of another trans person's -#experience with transphobia.#if at any point your argument goes into “well this doesnt happen to x group” stop#and think !#“does this not happen at all#or have i just never seen it?“#“have i done enough research on this topic to say without reasonable doubt that this does not happen to x group#and only happens to y group?“#“have i talked to members of x group about their experience with this issue to verify if its something that does or does not happen?”#if at any point your answers are lackluster#stop !#and do your research ! talk to people apart of these communities which you are saying do not suffer !#obviously this isnt saying transmisogeny isnt real#but if your only way to talk about transmisogeny is to put down other trans people and act like they do not experience any transphobia or#sexualization/fetishization of their bodies#then i hate to break it to you#but not only are you not an ally to trans women#you are not an ally to any trans person#divided we collapse. do not act like other trans people do not suffer.#also#because i forgot to add this on any of the other tags#stop acting like cis men cant be sexualized either#its extremely isolating and upsetting as a trans person to read post after post about how trans men dont suffer at all and nonbinary people#dont suffer enough and how trans men and nonbinary people arent sexualized at all#you forget the entire world sees us as ditzy confused girls that need fixing or amab nonbinary people as just boy lite#in conclusion#trans women can suffer at the same time and for similar reasons as trans men#and it will still be important#there is zero reason to say trans men do not suffer to annunciate an issue in transmisogyny
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About that thing re "trans men dont know what its like to be seen as predatory", I feel like everyone in the lgbt community generally agrees lesbians are treated as predatory by str8 women, gay men are treated as predatory by str8 men, I (as a trans man) used to think I was a lesbian and went throught life as one. Accordingly I was treated like I am predatory. I am now a gay men, and accordingly I am treated as predatory. On top of that, cis gay men treat me as predatory (scawy transes trying to get them to have sex w a vageenay boohoo) and women treat me as predatory every time I open my mouth about sharing some of their experiences (because me needing iuds at the obgyn inherently means I, as a man, inavde their man-free space). Literally all queer people are constantly treated as predatory by cishet society at large, everyone knows it and keeps saying it and is talking about it because its no secret and everyone is aware of it.
But the second the convo turns to how terfs hurt trans men? Suddenly, we have no idea what its like to be treated as predatory and suddenly the world sees trans men specifcially as helpless little girly victims.
And honestly? Even if it were the case that trans men and transmasculine* people were solely infantilized... it's still harmful. I was initially bringing up that because it's like... I guess the only narrative people want to hear about our suffering, I guess, because it's easier to digest. It's easier to look at it and write it off as, "well you're just infantilized, show me a real problem," and that's the issue - it's twofold. It is simultaneously the need to relegate the experiences of a diverse community into one box and then say, "well, it's just infantilization, who cares when [x] issue is more dangerous" afterward.
It is frustrating, at best, to not be heard. And I've found that so many people aren't just infantilized... I think a lot of queer people are, I don't think it's unique to us. However, people are almost surprised when trans men and transmasculine* people open up more, in my experience.
It's definitely more complex to include more trans experiences with transphobia and the intersections of things like rascism, homophobia, antisemitism, islamophobia, misogyny, ableism... but it is still important. In fact, it often informs in addition to how trans people are treated. Transphobia doesn't exist in a vacuum, and it often doesn't exist alone. That is why we need to have these complex discussions.
#ask#anon#trans#transgender#lgbt#lgbtq#ftm#nonbinary#transphobia#transphobia tw#it's really tilting to see people almost deny that trans men and otherwise trans people can be seen as predatory#because (at least in my experience) that has all i have ever been seen as *because* i am trans. and for different reasons as well#this is the same experience i've had mental illness 'advocacy' groups#the ones who subconsciously think 'well i' depressed. my gran's depressed. my boss is depressed. we all work FINE'#'so because we all work fine then why are *you* such a train wreck. why don't you brush your hair. clean your room and it'll all be fine!'#the words aren't the same. but the denial of different experiences - of different realities are the same.#which is why you can not advocate for trans liberation while simultaneously rejecting the different experiences of trans people#if you can not compute that two trans people of the same identity can have different experiences of transphobia AND...#...that BOTH experiences are important to address without denying the other or ignoring it... trans liberation will be flimsy at best#because then it only takes one different experience and what recourse does that trans person have?#this rant goes for ALL trans people by the way. if you can not accept that trans people can have different valid needs...#...then i personally think that those ideas of trans liberation you may have are flimsy#again impersonal you is used
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