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[sirellas]

STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY (1991) dir. Nicholas Meyer

[acatnamedafteradog]

Tied tiger

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[wwillywonka]

SPOCK: REGRET

[bumblingbabooshka]

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[isthereintruthnobeauty1968]

some excerpts / elements of 'a question of loyalty' that i enjoyed:

the implication (i think!) that spock pays less heed to valeris' flaws because he sees in her the sort of success he could've had as a young man without the complications and setbacks associated with his mixed ancestry:

the explication that valeris' reason for being involved in the conspiracy in VI is straightforward bias against klingons specifically and... really anyone other than vulcans more generally:

saavik pulling a v familiar, daresay illogical maneuver during a crisis:

and this sad little sequence:

[star-trek-fandom-confessions]

#457

"I loathe the theory/headcanon that T'Lyn is descended from Spock and might have human blood because of it. Not every main or supporting Vulcan character has to be related to Spock. Besides, it would be less Mary Sue-ish if T'Lyn was related to Valeris or Captain Sokel. But if she were related to Spock somehow, I think it'd be more believable if she were descended from one of Sybok's orgies and her rebellious personality came from him instead of some human ancestry."

[purple-iris]

Saavik: *citing regulation and talking back to Jim* Jim: *puzzled, but not surprised* Spock: *simply brushes it off, nearly Vulcan-beaming with joy, uses it as a way to create a coded message* Valeris: *citing regulation and talking back to Jim* Jim: *nearly insulted* Spock: *raising eyebrow, sorta annoyed* ahem-

[defconprime]

Spock’s protégés (50% is ok!)

[97b0n3s]

Very upset thinking about saavik today… “we didn’t want to keep her in the movies or she might turn into a villain-“ SILENCE. Simply do not do that to her. It just makes me sad because I felt like Spock was always trying to find a successor (hello valeris) and was always disappointed or backstabbed and I feel like at the end of the 6th movie he was like damn so I really can’t trust ANYONE but Kirk and McCoy that’s crazy.. and that makes me very very sad. saavik helped fill that void in the second and 3rd movie but she was also just an interesting character that I felt was deserving of staying. (hashtag best lesbian) she had lots to learn and was very brave and helpful and like if she wasn’t on genesis baby Spock could’ve totally died of hypothermia. She kicks ass and she just stayed on vulcan.. i just wish she was in the movies in some way like a cameo or at the end of the 6th she pops up out of nowhere.. she kicked ass.. just blabbing my apolocheese

[samthetrekkie]

for having watched this movie at least twice before (albeit several years ago), I recalled surprisingly little of the plot. and so did my dad, who had once watched this with me! I used to think this was my favorite tos movie and I think the reason was bc this movie needs the smallest tos context. like it's objectively a - not super inventive - but thrilling and interesting plot. I also only now realized how much this movie made parallels to the end of the cold war and overall had some really good dialogue, which, let's be honest, not all of tos has.

but I think the reason it's not my favorite tos movie anymore, is bc I now do have the context and for a star trek movie, it was pretty weak when it comes to the characters. and tos is especially character-driven (to the point were the same 2-3 characters are protagonists in each episode). and I find that really interesting bc I do like all of the tos crew, but I also need that kirk/spock relationship thrown into my face again and again. and there was very little of that this time (not nothing though) and each character had kind of important roles to play. I don't want to say this is the only tos movie that operated like that, but I do notice it more in this one as I used to think this was the best movie.

anyway, there were still a few things I liked about the character portrayal in this. kirk and spock seemed to have some bigger issues prior to this as kirk seemed to be pissed off and distant with spock the whole time. and you can't tell me this was just bc of the assignment with the klingons. kirk felt like spock had personally attacked him with this assignment and spock seemed really confused, probably thinking he had given kirk an interesting last mission. so in my headcanon, their seem to have separated at this point :( but later on I really enjoyed how unusually angry spock got when he found out valeris was the one responsible for getting kirk convicted and had ultimately put his life in danger. there was a certain level of guilt in there too, as spock had been the one to get them into this mission in the first place. and kirk having pretty much forgiven spock in rura penthe of all places, was really surprised to see spock's behavior and even felt bad for it, so it seems. he was not even initiating the kiss with iman's character! (also very interesting alien concept, similar to changelings, when it comes to gender.) in general he seemed almost never interested in any of the women in the movies, which I have mentioned before, but I love as it fits right into my headcanon :) but mccoy's "what is it with you" after the kiss was still amazing as it summed up the entirety of kirk's obsessive womanizing behavior in tos. generally, mccoy had the best one-liners ever in this. and he was by far not the most prejudiced one in this movie. and he was actually really nice to spock the entire time and seemed relatively tame in general. do we see a little character change caused by the last movie…? I still don't see mccoy and kirk being a thing, but mccoy and spock on the other hand…

I won't take this any further and rather conclude my tos walkthrough for good now (even though some of the characters appear in other series and movies again). I thought it was really interesting to see the changes the decades made on sci fi and to watch it with a person who actually lived through those decades.

I have to say tos really is up there now in the star trek ranking for me, maybe even above tng. (but we'll watch that next, so this view might change very soon.) spock (as played by nimoy) is certainly one of my top 3 star trek characters and I think that says a lot for a show that was written in the 60s. (the other one is seven and I have no idea who the third one is, but... we got all the autistic-coded ones up there, don't we.)

I'm so glad we have so much to go when it comes to star trek, though! even if it'll take us several years, now that I've counted it… (there is some shows and movies I will skip, though.)

[tigerexe]

i've been rotating Mr Saavik in my head since i initially saw Wrath of Khan and reading The Pandora Principle simply increased the rotation speed. such a traumagirl of all time.

i BEG you all to read the Pandora Principle if you're as disappointed in Saavik's lost potetial as i was

[nuclearbattery]

,✌️

[ds9-polycule-tales]

Always hitting that nail so perfectly it shoots out of the wood and bonks a Nazi on the head

[the-great-bob-off2024]

Round 1, Match 2

Bob Propaganda

Rapunzel: "the love of her life cut it (killing himself in the process) to save her from her kidnappers! it literally symbolises her freedom!" [x]

Valeris: "she's evil, she has a weird metal headband, and her sideburns are shaved" [x]

[autisticburnham]

Yearly October reminder btw not to draw Spock, or any other Vulcan since Vulcan culture largely draws from Jewish traditions, as a demon, witch (especially with green skin), or goblin for Halloween as those creatures have a long history with antisemitic caricatures

[bumblingbabooshka]

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