#transandrobro

[ankles-be-bitten]

idk, i just feel like if your primary argument against transandrophobia/antitransmasculinity theory is that you think it's transmisogynistic you're not being intellectually honest. who does it hurt when trans men and mascs coin a term to describe the intersection of transphobia and sexism as it most frequently affects them? because it does hurt trans men when they're told that they're not entitled to speak on the discrimination they themselves face.

what I'm hearing from people who oppose the antitransmasculinity movement is that transmisogyny is when trans men talk about their problems 👍, but obviously that's not true. i know that's not true. you know that's not true. so then what is the issue? genuinely, enlighten me. you want trans men to shut up and listen? I'm listening.

[dykeulous]

hm i think transandromisogyny or transmisogynandry would be better terms than transandrophobia.

[croifox]

Do people remember that one trans man who joined nazi organization Atomwaffen Division because their violent masculinity made him feel validated as a man in the ability to objectify and repress others (even though, of course, if his "brothers" had known he was trans they would have excised and brutalized him)? Maybe relevant to how trans men on the internet act toward marginalized trans women sometimes.

[that-satireguy]

When you complain about trans mascs wanting to 'change' feminist vocabulary, because they are 'whiny mras' who can't handle not being the centre of attention...

You are a moron.

Literally, for the past 100s of years, trans men, have always been included in feminism, they were just never called 'men'. Don't believe me?

'abortion would be legal if men could get pregnant'

'men think their p-nises...'

'men don't understand what its like to have biologically stronger...'

'men don't want to (male sex specific thing)'

And you can think of 100 examples of this. Back when feminism started women was thought of as the sex, with gender not being viewed as separate to sex.

Obviously, we now have come to a new better understanding of gender. But this is not what caused trans men to protest the language being used.

Trans men understood, and know that we were included in feminist conversations, despite the misgendering, because women's rights (especially reproductive rights) were also our rights. Every law ever put in place to affect women, also affected us.

The only reason we are trying to widen language now is because of the rest of you! Because so many dumb ass people apparently don't understand this. Like yall genuinely believe trans men are forcing themselves into a space where we have been since the beginning.

And you say 'look at the words being used'. The words we accepted because fighting for our and women's rights was more important than the misgendering. And pretend that rather this being a sign of what trans men had to put up with, it is instead proof that we were not there.

So NOW because of YOU IDIOTS without any READING COMPREHENSION we are asking for change. This wouldn't have happened if you had bare bones knowledge of queer and feminist history.

Words change. The feminist community has always included trans men, and it still should.

[k0rnym0thafucka]

Being a trans dude is like being Schrodinger’s man. I’m a guy when it can be used against me and a woman when it can be used against me, but I’m never “trans” to these transandrophobic fucks

[pretty-little-martyr]

terfs: we should try and infiltrate trans men's spaces, and in this post where I detail how, I keep misgendering them and referring to them like lost stupid women

people on this website, somehow: This Is Trans Men's Fault For Speaking About The Transphobia They Face

[fite-club]

too many trans guys hear "transmascs have male privilege" & say "but my life would be so much easier if I was a girl". and then don't consider that that hypothetical girl version of themselves would have cis privilege, which is a whole nother variable. like dude ask urself what parts of your life would change if u were a trans girl instead. would u face more or less oppression then?

exactlyyy. i’m so sick of hearing “but we don’t have cis male privilege” and it’s like guys it’s not cis people we’re saying you have privilege over

[resdayn]

yet another parallel between ace discourse and transmasc discourse:

2017: "aces arent nearly as oppressed as lesbians so they dont need to be in the community! nobody is hatecrimed for being ace."

"2024: "trans men arent nearly as oppressed as trans women so they dont belong in the community! nobody gets mad at someone becoming more masculine."

Meanwhile, aces face the highest rates of conversion therapy among ALL queer people. Transmascs have the highest rates of suicide and sexual assault among all trans people. This will be true whether exclusionists like it or not. Oppression is not a competition. Anyone who acts like it is reveals their own fundamental misunderstanding of intersectionality and queer solidarity.

[a-polite-melody]

Waitwaitwait

Is “transandrobabies” really another term people are trying out to deride trans men and mascs speaking on our oppression?

Really?

When one of the things we constantly talk about is that we are infantilized to hell and back?

Actually?

I am… y’know. I wish I could say I was surprised. But at this point I’m not. This is not what genuine criticism of transmasc theory looks like, it’s not ever done a good job being dressed up to pretend that way, and the people coming up with these terms of derision absolutely know what they’re doing.

[princessefemmelesbian]

Maybe I’m just being dramatic but it does legitimately scare and sadden me to see that a lot of transandrophobia truthers are literally just…young boys. Like, actual children. Like you’re not even old enough to vote yet and you have your whole life ahead of you and yet you are being manipulated into joining an mra group that hates trans women with a passion and thinks that men are oppressed in society for being men, and constantly uses Black men as their talking point in order to sound diverse and inclusive, meanwhile they’re also appropriating and misusing terminology specifically created by Black women to talk about our own oppression in order to get their misandry point across…to say nothing of the fact that the largest people in this group(including but not limited to its creator!) have misogynistic rape/detrans kinks centered specifically around preying on lesbians and trans women and this is something that is normalized and defended by the vast majority of transandrophobia truthers, or at least defended viciously by every single transandrodork that I’ve ever encountered who argued with me(a lesbian!!!) that actually there’s nothing wrong with getting off to the corrective rape of women because two consenting adults can do whatever they want in the bedroom(yeah right)! Not to mention I have yet to come across a transandrophobia truther who wasn’t also a raging die-hard Zionist.

And that’s why it disturbs me so much to see young trans boys jumping onto this transmisogynistic hate train like you guys realize these men don’t have your best interests at heart, right? They’re only going to manipulate you into being a sexist entitled asshat who shuns and bullies the trans women in your community and sees them as oppressing you. Like I know you’re still in middle/high school but you can still think for yourselves, you can choose to be better than this, you can choose to actually learn about feminism and realize that it’s not actually misandry that oppresses you, it’s transphobia. Misandry doesn’t suddenly become real because you slap a trans paint over it that’s not how it works that’s not how intersectionality works that’s not how any of this shit works. There are better trans men to talk to about trans issues who know that the patriarchy is real and don’t shit on trans women in order to speak out about trans topics, so go seek them out, okay? You absolutely do not have to listen to shit that the “male supremacists but trans” group of lowlives has to say. Hell, tell them to fuck off instead! Please, I promise you that there are much better options, there are ALWAYS better options, and you still have time to escape before they fully radicalize you into basically being an incel. There will ALWAYS be another way. ❤️

[woman-respecter]

may get #cancelled for saying this but theres a phenomenon where trans men on here have this thought process that’s like. “i’m a man and i’m oppressed/don’t experience male privilege, therefore all men are oppressed and male privilege isn’t real” instead of considering that maybe what is happening is that they are victims of transphobia and/or misplaced misogyny, and this leads to them being some of the most insuffrable mras on this site.

[ego-similis-testudines]

I may very well be swinging a bat at a hornet's nest, but I find it very interesting that the crowd that (rightfully) says "Read another book" to Harry Potter fans among the J.K. Rowling bullshit has a not-insignificant overlap with the crowd that has also only read one book (and that book is Whipping Girl).

[croifox]

I think that the hyperobscure Tumblr politics of "transmisogyny truther vs transandrobro" will go the way of "truscum vs tucute"-- hopefully, a kind of stupid internal contradiction which we grow out of. In both cases, though, there is clearly a More Correct side.

[autistic-katara]

god i hate the amount of times i’ve seen a nice trans post that just had some slightly weird vibes so i look up “trans women/men” on their blog and oh my god all of it’s infighting

[dreamyintersexouppy]

hate for trans women is not a “issue with masculinity” you just think were men, aka you’re a transmisogynist

[malachitezmeyka]

Just saw someone comparing transmascs speaking about their oppression to nazis and zionists, what the actual fuck is wrong with some people??