#this stupid ass discourse

[taehyungfirst]

i don't think what tae posted was fanservice, its a sweet moment between friends and its nice of tae that he shared this with us.

However, i don't like his timing. The trip was over year ago, why post it now? Its just not very sensitive of him.

Members went to media training, they are professionals and some even admitted to keep a Low Profile to respect the comeback time of others.

Nobody wants everyone of them to be totally silent, but i think its insulting to taes intelligent to say that he didnt know that he would rile up the taekook shippers with his post.

Also its not the first time that tae failed to mention jm's cb, while beeing active and feeding the shippers.

I love tae, but i believe we should still speak up, If somebody does sth that one dislikes.

I should’ve ignored you but this discourse is pissing me off beyond remedy.

He posted that NOW because Type 1 JUST dropped and he ALWAYS posted vcuts, and since Jungkook was there WITH him, he added Jk in his posts because he was reminiscing a cute moment and -again- he was there. If he didn’t post Jk face y’all wouldn’t be here complaining about it I can assure that to you.

“It’s not the first time he failed to mention jm cb” literally this is the first time he didn’t mention Jm, he has been showing support since forever and mostly, he doesn’t OWE you anything. You don’t get to speak and to dictate about someone’s friendship because you don’t know them, and friendship isn’t measured by social media posts. Actually, you always talk about Tae posting for Jimin, but did Jimin post about Tae projects? Where is his post about Wherever u r? Where is his post about Fri(end)s? Where is his post about LWA? Have you ever seen one of tae biased people complaining about that? No, because we don’t care. And you don’t care either you’re just upset Taehyung posted a picture with Jungkook and you don’t know how to cope with that.

[mossy-aro]

sorry but i am SO deeply tired of the 'aphobia isnt real' arguments because they are literally always being conducted in such bad faith. NO there is not specific societal or legal discrimation against aces and aros BECAUSE we are asexual and or aromantic. you cannot hold specifically bigoted beliefs towards a group you do not even know exist. there ARE, however, underlying and deeply pervasive systems and beliefs that actively erase, dehumanise and make life tangibly more difficult for aro and ace people on a social, economic and legal basis. most of this is due to hyperinvisibility, the medicalisation of any nonnormative + misunderstood orientations, the elevation of romance + romantic structures as the most important aspects of interpersonal relationships in society, as well as the nuclear atomisation of the family. among other things. like. amatonormativity has never been ABOUT aromantic people specfically oh my GOD. its simply the underlying social belief that everyone is expected to be in monogamous romantic relationships and that those relationships are expected to the default centre of one's life. its something that affects EVERYONE! but within that it affects aromantic people in a specific and heightened way because of our inability to participate in it in a societally acceptable way. like these are not 'aromantic' or 'asexual' or 'polyamorous' issues specifically. these are theories and terms that originated within feminist + queer sociology studies! its all part of the wider underlying social fabric! aspec people are simply pointing out that we are often affected by these things in unique and often unseen ways.

the idea that we believe people actively 'hate' us for being asexual or aromantic is completely ridiculous. most people i know do not even know the definition of those words! so how could they hate me for it. they could however, for example, hold the pervasive + societally unchallenged belief that not experiencing sexual or romantic attraction is a medical issue or something concerningly abnormal in a human being + something i should get fixed. and its not uncommon that when you DO explain that its simply your orientation to them, they continue to medicalise it and see it as some sort of issue. genuinely so deeply tired of having to explain this to people time and time again when they only want to cherry pick the most ridiculous arguments to respond to and then act as if that's a majority held opinion in the aspec community. like i actually think we are aware of how society views us we're not fucking deluded and stupid. we don't have victim complexes we are just pointing out facts that yall are so desperate to ignore. UGHHHHH

[lemurmate]

so I wanted to articulate my thoughts with the whole system accountability thing and why headmate accountability works better for my system personally, but I'm experiencing art block so I'm bringing back 2011 to make a pmd sprite comic

[sunnibits]

8 months of a malevolent hyperfixation and I’m just now finally following the relevant tags bc the izzy fandom traumatized me so bad that I didn’t want to follow any tags for fear of random ass discourse coming up all the time 😀

[nyancrimew]

we are now not going to turn this into discourse about a random singular post i retweeted from someone like six months ago again jesus christ, this is so incredibly unrelated and also i already had to talk about that in length literally a month ago while people were sending me death threats. going forward i will once again be blocking anyone bringing up stupid shit they read about me in a DELETED AND RETRACTED callout post.

[mayadoesfandomstuff]

I think it's absolutely so weird that in both instances of addressing the issue (the stream and the video), dream has used his Minecraft skin to talk to the audience like he hasn't done a face reveal at all and that he hasn't had music tours when he barely had any music like bro, I get people being mean to you bc of your face, but at the very least could you not do it with your stupid ass Minecraft skin????

[itzp1astri]

I saw the earlier discussion about Lando’s comment and I agree with it. I just wanted to add a few thoughts from my perspective as a marketing student or you could even call it PR. In general, behavior online and what drivers say in interviews is not random people need to understand that Lando is fully aware of what’s going on online, what his fans are saying, and what the general fan population thinks. He has people for that.

He knows very well that his fans use the “Oscar has no emotions” narrative to insult him, and I won’t add anything more to that everyone can draw their own conclusions or remember other strange behaviors Lando has shown towards Oscar.

What I want to emphasize in the end is that unfortunately, Lando and Oscar are not friends. They are coworkers in the same company. It’s also clear that one of them really likes and respects the other deeply and has done so for a long time, while the other... not so much.(In case it’s not obvious Oscar is the one who likes and respects Lando, while Lando doesn’t necessarily feel the same way or at least not on the same level)

I’m writing this as someone who doesn’t really “stan” either of them and also doesn’t read fanfics about them because sadly, a lot of people who do read fanfics tend to have a distorted view of their relationship.

exactly! I'm a journalist and work as personal assistant and if there's one big we do is train the person on what to say or don't. and that goes with a lot of research, thought behind and planning on various outcomes. he's grown up, he has been media trained for years and he's one of the drivers that spends the most time online, so there's no way he wasn't aware how that would come across.

and that's sad because, as you said, oscar has been openly admiring and respecting him for years and it still seems like he doesn't see osc as an equal. either that or he's focusing on something that I don't even wanna type out because I refuse to consider that as an option.

I do believe they could become close and develop a friendship, they seem to be out on off weeks more than before and that's good, but how can you befriend someone who keeps denying something you keep affirming again and again about yourself?

"a lot of people who read fanfics tend to have a distorted view of their relationship" yes! very that, and that applies to other duos as well. it's all very weird and kinda sad how people use literal fiction and snippets of fleeting moments to try and create something that doesn't exist.

(and yes, I do like their PR dynamic and ive talked about it here a few times, but that's it – PR dynamic and an ongoing admiration from oscar's side)

[kerokasa]

re: the language of queerness in project sekai

i’m specifically using queer here to denote a type of subject-position/relationship to society, rather than any specific identities a character might hold. i don’t think a game like project sekai is particularly interested in ever putting straightforward labels on characters, even though a character like mizuki clearly reads as trans to many players.

which ofc is my entire point… the game communicates a lot of information about mizuki without a lot of direct references to identity, instead using the language of difference as a euphemism for transness/queerness.

an event like “beside unchanging warmth” ultimately points to a trans story without stating anything explicitly, and i think it’s interesting to read it while paying attention to what the word choices are actually doing here.

in flashbacks to elementary school mizuki, the word “weird” (変/hen) is doing so much heavy lifting. it’s a word that inherently calls up a certain kind of relation/power dynamic between what is considered normal vs abnormal. the language is walking this precarious line of saying-not-saying, where nobody actually defines what makes mizuki “weird”; the responsibility is placed on the reader to infer that mizuki wearing frilly/cute (feminine) clothes is seen as transgressive by her classmates.

it feels important that mizuki seems especially hurt by the word “weird” in this flashback, and i think the line delivery supports this as well. contextually, i can’t help but read it as a stand-in for more overtly derogatory language/transphobia, softened and sanitized by replacing anything specific with a comparatively broad adjective like “weird.”

(this raises a lot of interesting questions for me wrt what makes queerness legible in translation / in my experience, anglophone fans are often looking for specific markers of identity when said identities generally originate from a certain class of euroamerican queer culture and academia! which is not to say prsk should or should not be more explicit in depicting trans characters; it’s just another point of discussion)

all this leads me to other instances in which the game draws attention to weirdness/difference — and the reasons i believe both mizuki and rui’s storylines evoke queer coming-of-age plots.

this might be slightly controversial to say, but it’s hard not to draw the connection given their middle school friendship, and how much rui’s background emphasizes the same ideas of weirdness/difference. even their final kizuna rank, which is correctly translated in english to say “i guess we’re both different” (僕達も変わったものだね) returns to that word 変 that upset baby mizuki so much.

i’ve seen some people argue that rui’s backstory should just be read as an indicator of his neurodivergence and well. for what it’s worth, i’m gay and neurodivergent like every other goddamn person on this site and within the context of rui’s arc throughout the game, i think there’s still a very strong argument to be made that mizuki and rui bonded over their shared experience of being queer.

after all, why is mizuki having “weird” taste in clothes taken as unassailable evidence of her transness if rui’s “weird” thinking cannot also be read as queer (or queer and neurodivergent)?

i will note that rui’s insecurities have never centered around an inability to communicate with his classmates (unlike nene, whose arc is VERY much about her becoming comfortable around new people and realizing that they want to be her friends). although other students are afraid of him, rui is a skilled communicator in public and doesn’t appear bothered by social interaction.

rather, rui’s insecurities center on this idea that he is dangerous to the people around him / he expects to be punished for expressions of vulnerability or intimacy.

fan communities nowadays sometimes forget the origins of “queer coding” as a concept in cultural criticism. going back to classically queer coded disney villains, romantic/sexual interest isn’t really a huge part of what makes these characters queer coded. rather, it’s about presentation — stereotypically effeminate mannerisms, ursula’s visual resemblance to drag queens in the little mermaid, vocal inflections that audiences (often subconsciously) associate with gay men in particular.

queer coding is shorthand that tells the audience these characters are sinister, untrustworthy, duplicitous. it’s rooted in a history of homophobic and transphobic rhetoric that paints queer and trans people as insidious, contagious (as in the AIDS epidemic), corrupting and luring innocent straight youth into degenerate queer life.

which brings me back to why i think a queer interpretation of rui’s backstory makes it so much richer and more meaningful. starting in the main story and then really coming to the forefront in wonder halloween, rui has internalized this belief that he is a danger to his peers. that his desire for closeness will always inevitably cross a line and he will end up rejected and alone.

this mirrors a really common, familiar experience of being a closeted gay teenager and the fear of how the people around you would react to your identity. in many cases, people are afraid of coming out because of how their friendships will inevitably be sexualized, or they’ll distance themselves in order to prevent anyone from misinterpreting their relationships and intentions.

personally speaking, i really identify with rui for these reasons, even if the story uses his inventions/directing as the stated reason for his fears. it’s really not until the formation of wxs (and meeting tsukasa specifically, as mizuki and the pandemonium trio have pointed out) that rui begins to feel safe enough to be honest and vulnerable about his desires both on and off the stage.

and it is important that it’s tsukasa in the end! tsukasa flips the script that rui is used to — rui has cut himself off to avoid rejection, but tsukasa is the one who seeks rui out, invites him into the troupe, works for him to stay. tsukasa recognizes something in rui and for the first time, someone isn’t reacting from a place of fear or simply not understanding the scope of rui’s vision, but instead he wants the very thing that rui thinks he needs to suppress. it’s also significant that tsukasa is another boy, and it’s significant that the idea of “weirdness” comes back in the form of “oddball 1-2”, which reframes difference as something that connects rui and tsukasa as a unit. he is no longer alone because he’s too weird, but now that same weirdness brings him closer to another person.

i also think it’s so fascinating how mizuki and rui bond over their shared difference or “loneliness,” and the game presents it as these 2 people who really have nothing in common besides their loneliness — i think mizuki says something along the lines of being happy that rui has found people that can relate to him outside of simply being lonely. it reminds me of my own experience being closeted in high school and somehow drifting into spaces with other kids who eventually came out as queer/trans, and how we were each on our own parallel journeys without ever really talking about it with one another, or how gay/lesbian communities in small towns are often very close out of necessity (unlike in big cities, where gay/lesbian communities don’t overlap as much because they don’t need to). it’s as if rui and mizuki have a shared understanding that even if the other’s particular experience is inaccessible to them, they have to be each other’s support system.

all this is to say. mizuki’s story only really makes sense to me as a trans story. similarly, rui’s story is so much richer when read in a queer context. nobody has to agree with me and i don’t really care about the game’s ultimate intent, but i just wanted to articulate how i personally find a lot of value in interpreting these characters in this way.

[johanna-swann]

Omfg, "Eddie is an army medic, how could they exclu-!" stop. Just. Stop and shut up.

First of all Eddie was in the army a decade ago and he doesn't appear to have stayed in contact with anyone from back then (and a lot of his friends from the army are dead anyway, thank you season 5 for this nugget of gold). He doesn't have a long army career where he climbed some god damn latter, he joined completely green behind the ears and did two tours as a medic. What's he gonna do, try and pull rank on whoever is in charge of a potential domestic (bio-weapon) terror attack? By citing his references of having been a medic 10 years ago? Fuck off, his army connections aren't worth shit in this situation.

Also they have two paramedics in there already! One of them went to med school! Why do you think this story needs a third medic, so he can also be incapacitated so that Bobby ends up having to do the surgery? For fuck's sake.

Eddie just got two episodes back to back where his story line was the focus. Now he's sitting one out, grow the fuck up. At least your fave still has a personal story line.

[whumpkink]

I don't like the anti/proship discourse but because it's 2025, people are quickly forgetting censorship and harrassment are not good things. hate anons that go as far as rape and death threats is not a normal thing. so people have to keep screaming stop being an awful person over fiction.

[justrustandstardust]

so fucking tired of people getting up in arms about the satosugu “shippers”. even the whole thing about “well, it’s fine if that’s how you CHOOSE to see it” is infuriating because it’s not shipping if it’s literally just in the text itself. people aren’t “choosing to see them romantically” if they possess the one critical thought to pick up on what the text is so blatantly saying.

i'm so fucking sick of the stupid ass dudebros who deride any discourse about satosugu as "shipping". maybe, just maybe, if there are thousands of people who see something about your favourite characters that you don't, it actually might be true.

to men, who are used to dominating every discursive space, it is unthinkable that people who aren't them might understand their favs better than they do. they dismiss "shipping" and in doing so outwit the analytical skills required to reach its conclusion (which goes far beyond "shipping", a reductive term used to belittle analyses and whims of people who aren't men).

like i'm fucking sorry you must be spoonfed from the tired hand of gege himself. stsg's coding is right there in the text; in openly rejecting it, these dudebros reveal the vapid, surface-level relationship they have with jjk and media in general. people don't merely see stsg as queer/romantic, that's what they are.

it’s actually cute how these men eagerly eat up the content presented to them at face value (powerscaling) and pointedly, aggressively disregard what jjk is actually about. if they shut up for more than one fucking second, they might be able to hear the discourse going on around them and actually learn something about jjk that’s worth knowing.

[alien-grave]

How to perpetuate an even more toxic fandom:

• Abuse copyright strike system to censor and take down any and all fanart with anything nsfw or ‘unsavory’.

• Instead of making a post requesting that people stop sending you ‘icky yucky’ things they don’t like and feel they need to ‘report to you’ and setting a healthy boundary by discouraging that, Encourage your toxic anti fanbase (which is made up of a good portion of Minors) to go out of their way to find these things (allowing minors to justify purposely exposing themselves to those things by entering adult spaces they do not belong in) most of them shouldn’t even be looking at and justify their actions by having them submit it to a ‘team’.

• Perpetuate and encourage people to harass creators of art ‘you don’t like’. Because like it or not that’s what this action inadvertently does. You’ve green-lit people’s policing of content.

—

I understand that some people have a boundary when it comes to their own projects and characters, I understand you as a creator don’t want to see your characters depicted in a specific way. But if the problem is that you don’t want people to keep sending these things to you, this is not the answer to that problem. Those are ‘fans’ overstepping their boundaries, that should be addressed regardless of how you feel for the content they are ‘reporting to you’. If the problem is you don’t want so much misinformation spread around about lore or whatever, make a blog or an official place with all the accurate information you want everyone to know. Don’t like nsfw? That’s fine, you can say how you feel. But to copyright strike fan content is never okay, and frankly there are better ways to handle that. Like it or not you cannot control what fan content is created. So far the only one who’s actually handled this sort of thing well and fairly has been clown. Y’all should really learn from them.

All this will do is make the fandom far worse and far more toxic. It’s not the proshipper making it toxic, despite how desperately all the antis wanna blame them. No hun, it’s you. You’re the ones misconstruing lore systems. You’re the ones going out of your way to harass and send death threats to people. Someone making art you don’t like isn’t toxic, your response to it is what makes fandoms toxic.

In many ways I fear for this creator, because their fanbase is bound to now become even more toxically parasocial than it already is given how antis usually behave.

[redr0sewrites]

dude one of my fav fandoms i dont talk ab v much is ihnmaims (both the game and the short story) but the fandom itself is so toxic that i just avoid it </3 like its very evenly split into two groups of people who r both equally different in their own ways but some people r just so mean bro like that fandom is So. full of these like anti selfshippers and/or people who will send u literal death threats over mischaracterization and i wish i could be more active in the fandom but alas. its so scary

[idiosyncraticrednebula]

Disney Princes/Heroes may be the most underrated and least discussed group in the entirety of the Disneyverse, but we already knew this, tbh. I think outside of hotness debates and the frequent, "He looked at her like this 🥺" from fangirls, not much is said about them, nor is there a lot of content and merch based on them. That is just referring to them within fandom spaces. Mainstream just ignores them altogether. Ngl, as someone who has truly found a lot of value and depth in them, it makes me sad.

[cdroloisms]

it's kind of funny i think a little bit when people frame the issues with dsmp fandom as being about high expectations when the story that was told was consistently much more complex and rich and varied than the fandom made it out to be, despite its flaws and hiccups due to the nature of its creation. like nah lets not give em too much credit now its not the creators' fault that the dsmp fandom couldnt identify the themes of the server when they were beat over the head with them

[evil-hetalia-hot-takes]

The only way I can see Gerita work is if Italy impregnated Germany omegaverse style

Correct, this is exactly what I've been saying. You get it. You're brilliant, anon, I love you. Took the words right out of my mouth

-Mod Gilbird