#this is just the side of the Heathers fandom I really really hate and it's the reason I left for five years

[queer-cosette]

Actually, of the three I listed, The Creature is the only love interest who takes his lady's actual wants into account.

Jareth isn't a good guy either! He kidnaps Sarah's toddler half-brother and intends to turn him into a goblin! His response to Sarah begging him that she didn't actually want him to take Toby is to give her thirteen hours to solve his labyrinth, and then when she takes him up on it, he pulls every trick in the book to slow her process, up to having one of the allies she meets in the labyrinth betray her and give her a cursed fruit that traps her in an illusion the second she bites into it.

The keyword is FANTASY.

Heathers and Labyrinth are specifically about how relying too much on your fantasy can and will go horribly wrong. Heathers ends a little more on a grimdark note than Labyrinth - the message of which is it's okay to have your fantasies as long as you don't let them take over your life or interfere with reality - but what I meant by the original post is, one of the reasons JD and Jareth are such attractive fantasies to audiences is because having your love interest take your negative emotions seriously - not just your excitement or your love or your passions, although those are all important too, but your rage and your sadness and your trauma - is an important trait that rarely gets acknowledged so directly in fiction.

(Lisa Frankenstein is the odd one out, but it's not about a girl struggling with selfishness or moral greyness having it come to a head by falling for a villain, it's about a former slasher victim healing her trauma by becoming the slasher villain with help from a hot dead guy who would do anything to make her happy. Are they good people? No. Are they fun to think about? Extremely!)

The reason I didn't include a massive analysis on why "JD is bad, actually" is it wasn't my point and sometimes I like to post my thoughts about movies without a massive disclaimer about needing to remember that it's not okay to date a guy who'll kill your bullies in real life, actually, cause he might gaslight you and also murder is bad. I am aware of that and I like to assume my audience is also aware of that. Maybe I was little clumsy in my language, but sometimes you have to give up pinpoint accuracy to one point in order to cover all three.

Sorry if I come off bitchy, but I am very tired of people assuming that because I find JD to be appealing, I want a love interest in real life who is just like him in every way. I left the Heathers fandom in 2018 because of how frequently this assumption occurred.

I didn't say he was good or that his relationship with Veronica was ideal, I said he was appealing and that the dynamic is fun to think about.

It's a fantasy.

I think the appeal of the male protagonists in things like Heathers and Labyrinth and Lisa Frankenstein is partly because... they take the female characters' emotions seriously. Like I'm not saying that they always make the best decisions about helping, but they take their girls seriously. Veronica is stuck with her image as a vapid party girl when she's slowly beginning to deeply loathe herself and those surrounding her; Sarah has her privacy dismissed by her stepmother simply because she's older than her toddler half-brother and shouldn't want to be selfish for once; Lisa is expected to just stop grieving the deeply traumatic loss of her mother because it's time for her to start playing happy families as a normal sister and daughter. And JD and Jareth and the Creature all listen. JD encourages Veronica to break free from what's expected of her and stands with her when no one else will. Jareth appears and offers to fulfill Sarah's unrealistic fantasies with magic. The Creature devotedly listens to every word Lisa says and protects her from anyone who has hurt her. Yeah, JD kills three people and has Veronica forge fake suicide notes to cover it up, and Jareth kidnaps Toby with the intention of turning him into a goblin, and the Creature goes straight to murder as his method of protection (in particular using methods that might even retraumatise Lisa), but that's all for plot reasons. There wouldn't be a story if there was no conflict. The fantasy is found in the way they listen when no one else will, and how the female protagonists have their negative emotions taken seriously when everyone else dismisses them.

[spaceagebachelormann]

zigmar i come to you humbly on this fine evening with the simple request that you give me some sort of might duck sustenance por favor and muchas gracias

they can be incoherent and stupid and goofy and silly to the max i just need to rotate this little kids like rotisserie chickens in my mind (esp fulton portman and julie)

random miscellaneous tmd thoughts !

✧ warnings: some of them may be ooc ngl

✧ additional info: u got it pookums 😈😈😈🙏 also these can be read as either platonic or romantic (not luis)

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♡ charlie conway !

the most insane taste in music literally ever

bro goes from madonna to death metal SO FAST

but ngl his playlist is always the best and he always gets to play music whenever u go anywhere

but oh my god he’d love pierce the veil in present day

HES ALSO LIKE SOMEHOW AMAZING AT MATH. but he cannot do science for literal shit

also his clothing style changes js like his music taste

will literally be kurt cobain one day and morrissey the next (hed hate morrissey though)

♡ adam banks !

every team sleepover/event/literally anything could js be a spontaneous hangout is always at his house

it’s because he’s rich and his house is huge as fuck and he has every board game known to man

just do not play uno because a fight always breaks out (charlie is always part of it)

he’s always the one who ends the fight also

he has this very calming presence that’s so nice to be around and him js talking to whoever got into a fight immediately helps calm them down

also weirdly good at comforting in the middle of the night but never during the day??

♡ lester averman !

he would watch full house religiously prove me wrong

his favourite character is obviously joey because they are one in the same

everyone on the team and their mother has been forced to watch full house while he’s been at their house/vice versa

he can also cook like. decently well !! it’s not something he’d prefer to do but he will for his friends if they’re tired or smth

♡ fulton reed !

this little shit

he is so unbelievably competitive over the smallest things it’s actually insane

typa guy to race u to see who can get to one side of the room first and start genuinely tweaking if he doesn’t win

at sleepovers he refuses to fall asleep first even if it’s just by a few minutes

he could be dead to the world but still have his eyes open cause he refuses to let u win (unless ur his s/o cause he might consider it that way)

♡ connie moreau !

she is definitely a theatre kid idc

her favourite musicals are probably grease, hairspray and heathers

she likes female main characters!!

everytime she gets into a new fandom she immediately starts thinking abt what it’d be like a musical and probably wanted to be a composer at some point

would 100% beg to use the aux on a road trip and then blast hamilton loud as balls

she wholeheartedly believes six is a top tier musical and she will DIE on this hill

(fun fact i’ve met andrea macasaet <3)

♡ guy germaine !

modern day guy would’ve loved basic white girl music

“life is too short to pretend to hate taylor swift” —him

also 100% a britney spears girlie. and nsync and every stereotypical white girl artist

but i wholeheartedly believe britney would be his favourite and he has her whole discography on cassette, cd, vinyl, u name it he has a britney spears collection

also his ass is NOT straight 💀 i’ve never met a straight man who listens to britney spears

♡ julie gaffney !

lowkey a regina george multitude if she wasn’t kinda. yk. a bad person

she’s a mix of cher and regina

everyone at the fancy ass boarding school literally loves her because she’s calm, smart pretty nice etc etc she’s just a really great person to be around

shes that one student who has every assignment finisher a week early, all a’s and 100% in every subject WITHOUT being mean abt it!!

her ass is friends with the whole student population and knows every well and knows all the drama but won’t tell everyone if she thinks it’s too personal (it’s it’s random petty nonsense she tells the team)

♡ ken wu !

secretly rlly good friends with julie but nobody knows even though they do not try to hide it at all

literally wander the halls talking abt whatever just for everyone to be like “y’all are friends???”

also this man secretly loves lana del rey

him and julie will sit on his bedroom floor and literally tell him the most insane and jaw dropping gossip she heard that day while lana is playing in the background

everytime someone asks his favourite lana song he says grandfather please stand on the shoulders of my father while he’s deep-sea fishing on did you know that there’s a tunnel under ocean blvd to fuck with them

♡ dean portman !

is actually very very good at math!!

he was a tutor for the 9th/10th graders for a bit to get volunteer hours and also cause he just likes doing math

you’d expect it to be like doing homework with ur dad and the poor kid is in tears while deans like “WHATS NINE. TIMES TWO.” but he’s actually surprisingly patient

if he’s explained something a few times and they still don’t get it he’ll just try it a different way until they get it and work them through the problem

has rlly strong relationships with the 9th and 10th graders cause of this and is essentially their older brother figure

the amount of 14/15 year olds that he’s given relationship advice too is insane (id be one of the 14 year olds probably)

♡ luis mendoza !

his type is secretly quiet girls cause he finds them rlly interesting and likes the thought of them being happy around him but quiet around everyone else

he’s like yes girl be urself with me

it all stemmed from the girl he liked in 8th grade who helped pick up his pencils when she accidentally knocked his pencil case out of his hand (she was a quiet nerdy girl)

like a whole year later and he’s still trying to rizz her up 💀

he’s one of those guys who takes forever to lose feelings

the girl is actually good friends with him btw

♡ dwayne robertson !

i feel like he is fucking AMAZING at baking

his icon is dolly parton and he heard berry pie so he immediately learned how to bake

if someone he knows has a birthday he either bakes the birthday cake or brings them something he made depending on how close he is with them

and holy shit it’s the most amazing thing u will ever taste and nothing will ever compare

yes he’s one of those guys who will go on an 18 minute tangent on how amazing dolly parton is if someone talks shit about her (same i love dolly)

[kittykatkatelol]

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My full kin (fictionkin + otherkin + therian) list:

Valentino from Hazbin Hotel

Barty Crouch Jr from Harry Potter

Roxanne Afton a FNaF OC of mine

Micah Bell from Red Dead Redemption 2

Demonkin

Vladimir Makarov from the OG COD MW trilogy (specifically mw3)

Maxwell Roth from Assassin's Creed Syndicate

John Hancock from Fallout 4

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Jack Kennedy from DSaF

White Persian Cat therain

Roxanne Wolf from FNaF Security Breach

(otherlink) Sylveon from Pokémon

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Red Dead Redemption 2

Fallout

COD (just all of it it's a big special interest)

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Scene Queen

Yungblud

Falling in Reverse

Palaye Royale

Marina

Melanie Martinez

Baby Bugs

Olivia Rodrigo

Måneskin

Mitski

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Hamilton (musical and historical)

EPIC the musical

Death Note

Heathers (both musicals and movie)

Little Nightmares 1 & 2

Fallout

FNaF

Cooking Companions

Percy Jackson (I have only finished the first series, and I do not want spoilers, hence why I don't interact with the fandom but i really like it lol)

Hazbin Hotel & Helluva Boss (literally no clue what the creator did but I don't support her since I watch it all pirated and don't have the money lmao)

Call of Duty (I love all the early stuff (haven't played any black ops though) but especially the original modern warfare)

SIX The Musical

DSAF (specifically the 1st and 2nd ones, I don't particularly enjoy the final one)

Red Dead Redemption 2

Heartstopper

My Little Pony

Legend of Korra

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Last up dated: 1/30/25

[aang3ll]

Finally, an intro post

(Please ignore my horrendous handwriting)

You can call me Rain or Angel :))

I use any and all pronouns, as seen above! Things I'll do on this blog

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_________________________________ 1. ABSOLUTELY NO NSFW 2. Sometimes, there may be certain characters that I don't want to write for due to personal reasons, so please be respectful of that 3. You are allowed to request for fandoms that aren't on my fandom list 4. If, for some reason, your request is not fulfilled, please do not deal with this situation by getting angry and spamming my inbox or smth. Instead, simply shoot me a DM, and I will either get onto your request, and/or explain to you why your request wasn't or will not be fulfilled (depends on the request) 5. And lastly, please do not hate on certain requests just because you do not like a character or fandom Also, please note that fics and stuff probably won't be very long, because I have low writing stamina __________________________________________________________

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7. 1NC3ST SHIPPERS. NEED. I. SAY. MORE?

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10. "Super Straight" folks. Just say you're transphobic lol 11. CC!Wilbur supporters.

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[real-total-drama-takes]

I am back!

Not really, I have a fever and a man broke up with me so suffer with me fandom.....

Anyway

I am be nice- so nice- Gwen and Duncan are okay- sometimes mostly in my head if I make them their romantic ship- not the bullshit I see or whatever- see I can be nice too.

Even can say if they had a child it be named after a star or something like Dan Luststar then Duncan's last name...

See how nice can be- no I don't got a gun behind my head I just mad.

Mad because I lost my glasses too and sick

I am trying to be more open minded to life I guess....

or it's the fever making me mad.

Actually, here's a list for Gwen ships I do want more but only in my mind sometimes:

Heather/Gwen cafe au please Gwen the server/worker hate to love scene- you get it?

Heather finds out she loves her after watching Gwen get dropped off at the cafe by Duncan and she tried fight Duncan after Gwen in work safely...

Heather finds out later on they are brother and sister- she accidentally fought Duncan for no reason

In other fanfic

Duncan/Gwen find themselves frozen lake where they have survivors' guilt after watching the watch world die out and now need to survive together and find other humans, they find Scott/Courtney and others but mostly survivors' type of love- it must start off with Gwen hating Duncan and tired to murder him 3 times already :) because Gwen is like anyone but him haha because I am evil

Gwen ends up alive, but Duncan dies because haha evil thoughts but it's in honor brave men dying for women they love

Gwen, Sam, and Dakota because they can, and I don't care what you say- they make it work

Gwen and Tyler because that's goofy, sweet, puppy love- first crush then first ever kiss type experience

Gwen and Nikki Wong because they can be friends or something? Go wild girls go protest and correct men who are wrong

Gwen, Eva, Jo, Heather, and Courtney just because Gwen needs scary girlfriends- are dating or not? Who knows man I don't make up the rules

Only Gwuncan I want to know the ones in my cousin's heart and my mind going they are destinied to destroy the planet because they are so coded in the sauce...

Actually think I am ask my cousin about her opinions about her favorite ship Gwuncan because I keep trying to write one in her honor but I keep getting it wrong and I don't mean to-

They would have gothic baby room- I don't care- I think it's cute, imagine their baby in bat onesies uh so cute baby and shhh- shut up I know I am annoying with Courtney x Duncan ship as well up Courtney's shitlist if she was a real person because I love her, but I know I don't do her justice ever-

I am working on it!

I swear!

That is all....

Also, I bless you 333,333 more days just to piss off that weirdo marking your days.

Two I will make Gwen and Duncan have 3 baby girls in one of Scottney fics because they are co cute in my opinion and also I got dank names for them- you all will hate it- but I will love it- hehe

They are all going hate each other- I love them so much

Scottney 2 baby girls

Gwuncan 3 baby girls

With silly names and Dunceny's son Cliff is going hate it so much because that's a lot of little sisters from both sides of his divorced parents

Be mad- I am making them cute with silly names and they are agents of chaos they love their families

[howtowhumpyourhiccup]

Price

Chapter 18 - Layers off Comfort

Summary: Set during RttE, based on the episode "Gold Rush." The entire point was for Hiccup to get Berk's Gold back. Well, he's far from his goal now.

Warnings: Pregnancy

Rating: Explicit

Dead Dove: Yes

Words: 656

Fandom: How to Train Your Dragon

Characters: Hiccup, Astrid, Toothless, Heather

Pairing: Rycup, Vigcup, Hiccstrid

Author's Notes: My writing has really grinded to a complete halt the past couple of days because of the bad election results, I don't even feel like updating this fic or my Hallowtober fics. But here I am, updating Price. Hopefully, I get some writing done this weekend.

Enjoy!

-XOXOX-

On Dragon’s Edge, there’s this cliff a little walk away from the base that the Riders go to hold bonfires. Tonight, they hold Hiccup’s first since his return.

There’s a pit dug into the ground for the wood and fire with sizable stones that circle the edge. Four thick logs, kept from rolling away by dirt and more rocks on both sides at each end, lie at each of the four directions of the wind. Every single Rider is here, Stoick and Gobber are out on patrol. They’re roasting pork on the fire and it’s close to done.

Hiccup can’t help the excitement he feels. He’s going to eat roasted pork! None of the tasteless gruel meant to keep him fed and healthy without putting much effort into his meals. The stench of it fills his currently overly sensitive nose and he can’t even hate it. Pregnancy makes his stomach churn and yet he feels his mouth watering all at once.

No attention is paid to Hiccup and he’s grateful for that, happy to just be sitting here between Toothless and Astrid and watch until dinner is ready.

They’re laughing. His friends are making jokes and laughing and it’s a relief to hear. There wasn’t much laughter on the ship, not a lot of light either down in his cell and certainly no warmth. The location of the dungeon was so close to the ocean that the dampness tended to seep up through the floor, taking with it the cold.

But there is none of that here, none at all.

And when… Since when did he have such soft clothes?

He can’t stop playing with them, pulling the sleeves over the palms of his hands and the collar over his chin, rubbing the fabric between his thumb and index finger. And if anybody notices him trying to cocoon himself inside his woolen tunic, they’re not commenting on it.

They’re warm around his body, even his undertunic glides across his fresh scars like water and he can’t remember his toes ever being this warm the last time he wore a boot. Even his woolen pants isn’t uncomfortable. Nothing itches the blemishes on his skin or the most sensitive and intimate parts of his body. Without his bindings, the beige linen had scratched and scratched in a way Ryker and other Hunters found amusing.

He got used to their snickers, to their comments. Why else would he just so casually expose himself to a platonic friend who had never seen him in even his undertunic before?

He almost didn’t wear his bindings, until Heather caught him leaving his hut without them and snuck him back inside to privately let him know he forgot to wear it. No judgment in her tone, not even any worry, not a hint of what she may be thinking of him. She simply told him, gave him the opportunity to correct himself and then they went on their merry way and forgot about it.

Astrid had noticed, however. Without trying to draw attention to him as he stood there, wondering what he’s meant to do now, she motioned over her own chest in a flattening motion and then gave him a thumbs up. And he had looked down at himself, realizing that this is the sight they’re used to. Completely flat.

Then, Astrid patted the dirt next to her with a sympethatic and small smile, noticing his apparent indecisiveness, and now, here he sits.

Wearing his bindings hasn’t been a bother, though he certainly expected it to be. Instead they almost feel like a shield around him and he isn’t sure how he could’ve spend a single day with the Hunters without them. His breasts feel a little sore, one more nail in his baby-shaped coffin, but he can’t even be annoyed.

His flat chest is right. It is right.

His warm, soft and comfortable layers wrap around him and they feel right.

[bhnsby]

what r your opinions on heather…..I know she’s your favorite and I wanna know your thoughts….please yap to me about her….

Heather is my FAVOURITE character and yet I never talk about her so I’m actually gonna talk about that.

I’d argue heather is the best written character, and I’d also argue she has overall one of the best fanon interpretations. So, I never really have much to say about her

Heather is a great tdi character, and a great character overall, and in my opinion her writing might be the best we see. There’s other characters like Courtney, Alejandro and Scott who all also have great writing (for total drama at least) but all fall down somewhere. Courtney’s writing is all over the place and you really need to make some excuses to defend her, Alejandro while great in world tour definitely declines in all stars, and can’t be defended nearly as much as heather can be, and Scott is also heavily derailed in all stars.

Heather however, while I wouldn’t say she gets better every season (my personal ranking of her seasons are WT, TDI, TDA, AS) she definitely stays consistent. In island this is really gonna annoy you all but she’s a good villain and a GREAT start for tdi. you can argue Alejandro is a better villain and id probably agree, but they’re both very different. Heather is the classic mean girl her performance isn’t anything too flashy with strategy and overall she just plays the bully role. She does this great though, being so fun to hate and so annoying to love. She’s, dare I say, iconic. She has some of the funniest lines and despite all her actions being entirely selfish you can never find yourself truly hating her.

Her eventual downfall is amazing and no other villain dethronement comes close (action does a good job but is nothing on heathers). Being so vain and obsessed with her looks, and said looks being the main reason she gets away with so much, having her head shaved and losing off a technicality is absolutely perfect.

When she comes back for action, she takes the comedic side character plot instead. She’s not the main villain but isn’t the hero (yet).

Something that I will always praise heather for is her ability to work as many different roles throughout. In island she’s the main villain and threat, in action the punching bag side character while never being derailed (AS Scott take notes), in world tour she gets her redemption arc as the “hero” that takes down the villain, and in all stars she works as a good.. idk what to even call it. Minor villain? Side character? Whatever it is it works and is the best role she could’ve taken in AS (maybe with some added writing but for td standards this is fine). She never feels misplaced in any season, never feels like they’ve had to derail her character to get her to fit in a specific role and she always feels very natural in every season.

And the fans (mainly) seem to be able to appreciate this.

For the total drama fandom, everyone seems to get at least a baseline understanding of her character. Yes I’ve seen people say some wild stuff but overall I think she has one of the best fanon interpretations I’ve seen, especially for a character as popular as her.

And that’s why I don’t talk about her.

I mainly talk about things that I can critique for tdi writing, fanon interpretations that are wrong and the more unpopular things (roti defender here). I rarely gush about things I think are good because there is not much to say. I bet y’all didn’t know that tawog is my favourite show. That’s because I never talk about it because it’s just good.

Yeah heather I do have opinions and things to say about her but I never feel like I need to jump to talk about her. I’m not constantly ranting in her defence or ranting against her, I more talk about her when it comes up since there isn’t much that needs to be said.

So uh TL;DR - heather is such a good character I don’t have much to say about her. Well I do but I mainly complain about things of defend things and I have to do neither for her. If some day someone makes a hate post that causes the fandom to turn on her I’ll be there with my flag waving in the wind but until that day, she’s just a good character that I’ll occasionally talk about

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Babes, i need to know what’s up with heather holloway lmao! Why are you do obsessed with her? Its def not a bad thing, just curious :)

I BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE, here’s why i love Heather :)

One major thing is the injustice and lack of acknowledgment she gets from the fandom. ST3 came out in 2019 when fake feminism was on the edge of retirement, not kept quite as in check as it has been since 2020 *shoutout to drew afualo and the mass of people who decided it was finally time to defend women and female characters*—i know if she had been introduced in st4 she would have gotten the love and defense she deserved like Chrissy has—stemming in this case from the hate Heather and her actress received from billy fans back then because they interpreted her as a possible love interest for him and hated her into pretty much non-existence. Some people had the audacity—and still do—to approach her actress and tell her she looks plain and not very pretty. She’s got a decent amount of screen time, a pretty badass role as an unwilling side villain and I cannot figure out for the life of me why she’s forgotten about. Especially since she was a pretty big part of the plot for ST3. The fandom treated her very much so like the older women at the community pool did.

And it just breaks my heart that two younger girls Heather didn’t know were the only ones in the entire town that noticed she was missing and cared enough to notice something wasn’t right with her (not even her parents noticed she was different, though you can see with their comfortable family portrait that while they might not have known her very well, they still genuinely loved her and she loved them) and when she didn’t show up to work, none of her coworkers gave a fuck about her. So, that tells me she wasn’t really popular.

It wasn’t until after st4 came out and i rewatched the entire series, that i developed my obsession with her because i noticed my absolute favorite thing about her: she’s not anything special, she’s just a teenage girl who wasn’t popular, didn’t grab the attention of her hot co-worker, wasn’t his love interest, sat down with her mom and dad for dinners and was criticized by older women for simply existing. She was a normal teenage girl, just like i was. And it’s kind of self-deprecating to admit it, but there have been plenty of times where i thought if i would have gone missing, no one would notice and it made me really sad to notice that was the case with her.

I also love the symbolism with her being a lifeguard and how she went to Billy’s aide when she thought he was in trouble, even if it got her killed in the end. Don’t even get me started on the fact that her occupation is one that makes people need her (always have to have a lifeguard on duty), makes me think she might have gone for the job because of that. She’s not popular, doesn’t have a whole lot of friends but now she’s needed somewhere, she’s got a place. And the experience i got with Eddie was very similar to the one i got with Heather, I honestly thought she would survive. El and Max were trying to save her and everyone, so surely if the main characters were trying to help her, she’d prevail, right? No. She died a horrible, gruesome death.

And other than a quick name drop in st4, she was forgotten about. There was no Nancy like character to seek revenge on her behalf, no Joy Byers character to mourn her loss, no Murray character in her life to miss her as a friend. She’s just gone.

Naturally, what with me favoring the underdogs, I feel the need to protect and defend her, and maybe give her some justice. Which is why the Reader in Cruel Summer is based ENTIRELY on my interpretation of Heather, I actually debated on just writing a Heather/Eddie fic, but I was pretty sure it’d go largely ignored because it’d be about Heather, and i was afraid more people would hate her if I paired her with Eddie, so I went the Reader route. But all those character traits about Reader in it, Reader’s portrayal, everything, is how I imagine Heather Holloway. She deserved so much freaking better. If you try to scroll through her own damn name tag, you’ll find she’s still somehow barely in it. VERY FEW, and i mean FEW edits, pictures, anything about HER. IN HER OWN TAG! It’s been almost five years and you can still barely find a trace of her. Even KEITH gets more recognition. Fucking Keith who doesn’t have a last name and has less screen time in all of stranger things than she had in one season of it.

YEAH. WHEW, that’s a lot. That is a lot of information. But thank you for letting me rant about her, again lmao. Anyways, everyone pay more attention to Heather.

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🍐 or 🫐?

Hello there!!! Answering both because I love yapping 🫶

🍐 Is there anything in canon that you absolutely hate and love to fix in fics? A wrong choice made, a fuck-up in characterization, a misunderstanding never cleared up, a conversation never shown onscreen, etc…

For TOH, I was very much not a fan of For the Future and the writing choices made in there. I don't hate the Boscha plot, but I think it felt more like a random episode that could have worked had it not been in the triada of specials that had already so much to cover and such high stakes in that sense, which makes it so frustrating for me. Especially since the trailer made it feel like the puppets would be a big part of the episode and they just... weren't? They were used to sideline characters and nothing else, the implications of people being aware or not as puppets (which is a bit unclear because the puppets were done to work however was convenient to the plot, case in point: puppet Amity) and so many things could have been explored but they weren't and it's just... tragic, honestly.

I like the fics that either side-step this plot altogether or use it to the maximum. I think the puppets aren't necessarily bad overall, they just needed more consistency and to actually be used. There are so many interesting possibilities there.

I also wish we had seen Darius and Hunter reunite post Labyrinth Runners. Priorities lmao.

For MP100 I think I'm generally pretty pleased with everything? I know there are things I wish we knew more about, lore and character backstories and stuff between the scenes, but it's mostly me being deranged about background and side characters, not so much something I think it's lacking.

🫐 What’s your favorite underrated thing in your fandom? (A ship that only you seem to write for, a character there’s almost no fics about, a trope that criminally hasn’t been written yet, etc.)

For TOH... Eber as part of the Deamonne family! It's thankfully done a lot more after Watching and Dreaming dropped and I'm so happy about that because before we were in the trenches. You cannot convince me that little demon who's attached at the hip to Darius wouldn't be part of the family. They're co-parenting Hunter right beside Darius, it's not even a question, it's a "you adopted a kid? Your kid now? Oh, no, our kid now, you mean."

My obsession with the Deamonnes aside, I really think Skara is underrated, she's so fun as a background character who had an implied redemption arc. Heather McNamara vibes right there lowkey. I wanted to write a fic about that, actually, but it got lost on my huge list of wips, maybe I will at some point because I think it's so interesting and definitely connected to her vonding with Viney, since they seem attached at the hip later on.

For MP100... it's still the background characters. I think it's neat because you usually can find someone obsessed with each character at least, so that's very fun. I just keep getting attached to characters who overall weren't supposed to be that important, you know? The 7th division guys are my little guys. The Awakening Lab kids as well. I think about the Ultimate 5 a normal amount. I'm developing headcanons as we speak, there's just so much. How did they awaken their powers? Why did they join Claw (for those who that applies too)? What were their lives like before? There's so much!!!

Anyway. Thanks for the questions!!! From this ask game 💕

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AO3 tag game

Thank you for the tag @apopcornkernel my love kissing u /p

how many works do you have on ao3?

45 right now!

what's your total ao3 word count?

According to my stats page, 781,604! Holy smokes, Batman!

what fandoms do you write for?

Right now, mainly Heathers, but I've also written for Les Misérables, Derry Girls, Monster High, Miraculous Ladybug, Total Drama, Equestria Girls, and Rainbow High, and have posted some original work on AO3 too (mostly poetry).

what are your top 5 fics by kudos?

mArinette (a Miraculous Ladybug easy A AU)

today I woke up wanting to kiss you (plotless Duncney fluff)

Cute Boys With Short Haircuts (Miraculous Ladybug angsty one-sided identity reveal)

Mistlejoke (Miraculous Ladybug christmas fluff)

Waitin' on the Sunrise (shameless fluffy JDonica porn with plot)

do you respond to comments?

I try to lol. Usually I'll respond in batches because executive dysfunction is The Worst

what is the fic you wrote with the angstiest ending?

Ooh, does original poetry count? Because if so, Kathryn, a midlength poem I wrote about Kathryn Howard the fifth wife of Henry VIII who was beheaded between the ages of 17 and 22. Or maybe these are times that can’t be weathered (and we have never been back there since then), a story about a Miraculous OC discovering Hawkmoth’s identity.

what's the fic you wrote with the happiest ending?

Personally, I think it’s The Dark Gate, part four of my Les Mis Winx Club AU. The happy ending is really earned and needed.

do you get hate on fics?

Not really since I stopped regularly writing for Miraculous Ladybug. Boy, that was a wild experience. The fandom was really big at the time and it was the post-Season 3 salt era, so Opinions were both abundant and poor in quality.

do you write smut? if so, what kind?

Yes indeed! I was born on the run (but I’ll die holding your hand) and Waitin’ on the Sunrise are both JDonica smut fics that I am very very proud of! They’re… very fluffy. You know that rule about how you see in fandom the stuff that was missing from the source material? Look, I just want my awful blorbos to be happy. And also to bang a lot.

do you write crossovers? what's the craziest one you've written?

Does On Se Sent Comme Par Magie count? It’s really more fusion fic, it’s the characters of Les Mis living out the plot of Winx Club. Look, it just… it made sense in my head, y’know?

have you ever had a fic stolen?

Not as far as I know, and I hope it never happens!

have you ever had a fic translated?

No, but I did write an English translation of a fic I wrote in my native Scots! Never posted it, though.

have you ever co-written a fic before?

I have tried and miserably failed. I just can’t do it, babes.

what's your all time favourite ship?

Probably JDonica. I just… he’d kill for her?? And he does?? Does it get more chewable than that??

what's a WIP you want to finish but sometimes doubt you ever will?

Oh god I haven’t actually written anything for two months. I need to get back to Waitin’ on the Sunrise, The Last Faery on Earth (Part 5 of OSSCPM), and The Mystery Solvers of Derry (Derry Girls SDMI AU).

what are your writing strengths?

According to my beta reader for OSSCPM, readability, characterisation, and cliffhangers.

what are your writing weaknesses?

I’m really bad for run-on sentences - it’s not my fault, okay, I started reading Les Mis when I was sixteen and impressionable, and Victor Hugo did a number on my psyche that I doubt will ever be reversed because unfortunately Vicky Huge-ho lives rent-free in my skull and whispers in my ear to just use more semicolons like the whore he is.

thoughts on writing dialogue in another language in fic?

I’ve written in Scots before, which was fun! I kind of want to do it again, but the Plot Bunnies aren’t cooperating right now.

first fandom you wrote for?

I think. Technically. It was a documentary about Sperm Whales that had a really sad ending that I saw when I was six and I wrote a little book that gave it a happier ending, if that counts? If not, probably Equestria Girls. Although, thank god, my early fic experiments are all stored on a hard drive that will never see the light of day again.

favorite fic you've written?

I was born on the run (but I’ll die holding your hand)!! Fluffy JDonica smut for the win!!

tagging: @theladyfae @private-bryan @galahadwilder @swxxtcidxr if yous want to xo

[bigdumbbambieyes]

tag game: stranger things edition

I was tagged by @thewaywardkees, @grey-sides, @thatgirlwithasquid, @dragonflylady77, @ratbastardbilly - thank you all! 🤍

1.ride or die ship (your otp): harringrove 🥰

2.most annoying ship: i'm not annoyed by any ships in particular! i've always been very much a 'ship and let ship' person

3.second favourite ship: it's a tie between cunningway/cheerguard and cunningrove/calicheer! (i refuse to pick a ship name leave me alone akjgnfj)

4.favourite platonic relationship: Max and El (canon), Billy and Chrissy/Heather/El (fanon)

5.underrated ship: cunningwaaaaay, these femmes belong together and they need to be adored by everyone!!

6.overrated ship: 😇

7.one thing i would change in canon: i'd restore the original Billy and Steve as Besties plotline for S3!! give me besties!harringrove!! it's what they deserved!!

8.something canon did right: the 80's aesthetic

9.a thing i'm proud of creating for the fandom PLEASE BRAG ABOUT YOURSELF I WANT TO SEE/READ YOUR ART: within me, an invincible summer! and everything under my 'bambiwrites' tag

10.a character who is perfect to me (wouldn't change a thing): Bob Fucking Newby 😭

11.the character i relate to the most and why: probably Steve Harrington! i can really relate to him in the way that he's a former mean girl trying to be better lol he's also a very lonely person and that really resonates with me. he cares a lot about other people and feels a sense of responsibility where he really shouldn't, he can be selfish and stubborn, he wants to love and be loved, etc.

12.character i hate the most and why: Neil Hargrove 🙂🔪 i do not need to explain

13.something i've learned from the fandom: give me a minute to just say that y'all are some of the most resilient people i have ever met and i really admire that!! it's not easy to openly love a character/ship in a very mean and hateful fandom, but that doesn't stop you - it almost fuels you to continue to create what you want and to not let anyone stop you!! anyways, the hg community is truly a diamond in the rough and i'm so happy to be a small part of it bc i've learned a lot about abuse victims, i gained more sympathy for people who are ‘bad’ abuse survivors, i have different perspective on things, etc. basically you've opened my mind even further than it was before lol i appreciate you all!! 🤍

14.three tags i seek out on ao3: Modern AU, Established/Developing Relationship, Hurt/Comfort

15.a song i strongly associate with my otp/favourite character:

Harringrove: True Believer by Dragonette Steve: Love Me by Elvis Presley Billy: Shake It Out by Florence + The Machine

my no-pressure tags (ignore this if you've already done it or don't want to lol): @hephaestn, @weird-an, @robthegoodfellow, @martianclown, @simplydes, @disdaidal, @discodeviant, @harringroveera, @oopsiedaisiesbaby, @wickedlydevious, @yikesharringrove, @metalscoops, @akioukun

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So it was quite weird for this person to take that and make it about Misogyny and Incels when that has very little to do with it. plus, in recent years I have seen more female villains receiving this treatment often from female viewers/readers. Characters like Princess Azula, Rei Todoroki, Catra, Harley Quinn, and Heather Chandler receive this in increasingly frequent ways often with the defense that any person who dislikes these characters is a misogynist who hates and opresses women.

(pt 4) It is unfortunately a common thing in many fandoms to do to characters, but lately it often seems that any criticism towards a female character, of groups of women, or even an individual woman. is taken to be misogynistic, born from a hatred and fear of women, and often seems to take the form that every man or even most men are just evil, malicious, people or out to get women, and control and abuse them it's quite frankly ridiculous. and I think its an absurd line of thought that needs to die

Finally to answer parts 3 and 4 of your ask.

Yes, you are right that this is also another phenomenom that's pretty widespread these days. But I don't see how you think that negates what was said about the Draco in Leather Pants trope.

In my first post answeing your asks 1 and 2, I've pointed out why I think this poster was right and that the trope itself is sexist - certainly the way it's described on the TV Tropes page is, and so is, in general, the focus on how silly fangirls are ruining everything by stanning male characters they 'woobify' and find hot - while ignoring the equally widespread idolization / whitewashing of villains like TDK Joker, Walter White, Tywin Lannister etc. by fanboys. And that also the examples on the page show that this trope can also just serve as an excuse for people to rant and complain about the fact that other fans dare like characters they hate.

Fans regardless of gender and sexual orientation (and whether they find the characters attractive or not) tend to whitewash and idealize their favorite characters, but also demonize and oversimplify the characters they hate, too. The main reason for this is people's tendency to want to see every story in black and white terms, as a Heroes vs Villains story, and it gets mixed with today's prevalent idea in pop culture that you can't just like or dislike things, you need to prove that what you like is morally superior, and that the things you dislike are morally bad.

I'm not familiar with the examples you mention, but I've certainly seen it. Sometimes it's worshipping villanous female characters (say, Amy Dunne or Cersei Lannister) who are reimagined by the fandom as girlboss feminists. It feels like the flip side of the phenomenom of fanboys worshipping male villains they admire as badasses, but now with added supposed social justice aspect. It may also be a backlash against the real and blatant misogyny that was very pervasive in fandoms (I remember the time when Sansa, Dany and Catelyn were the most hated characters in the ASOIAF fandom, with people using some... interesting arguments. The one that really got me was how many people in the fandom were hating on a pre-teen girl for not wanting to have sex with a grown man she was forced to marry by her captors who were killing her own famly... because they really liked that male character. )

It might also include the rhetoric based on a certain type of (pseudo-)feminism according to which women are inherently good and perfect and can only be heroes and/or victims, while men are naturally aggressive and abusive etc. This can get hilariously hypocritical: recently a Twitter user went on a rant against fans who like abusive male characters, while being a self-proclaimed stan of Cersei Lannister and Serena Joy.

But it's not like this kind of rhetoric is used just against men (you didn't explicitly say that, but I felt like it was implied in your ask). Women will often throw accusations of misogyny against each other, and women will often show internalized misogyny towards other women in those arguments - and both things will often happen at the same time. This also happens a lot in real life arguments about politics and social issues - especially when people use girlboss feminism to argue that anyone who doesn't support or, god forbid, criticizes their favorite female politician or celebrity, is "misogynistic" and that every criticism of her, no matter how legitimate the reasons are and how little they have to do with gender, are "rooted in misogyny". In the course of that, stans often don't have a problem with mocking, attacking and bullying any number of other (usually less powerful women), and using all sorts of misogynistic insults and assumptions about them.

Now, the tricky thing is that this doesn't mean that hatred or criticism or lack of support for a woman in real life, or a female character, is fully free of misogyny, even if the woman in question is very problematic. It probably always does play a role. Some people - maybe even a lot of people - will really say and do misogynistic things about a woman even when there are perfectly legitimate reasons to criticize her that have nothing to do with gender.

Take a female character like Cersei Lannister as an example. She is a narcissist with internalized misogyny who is abusive towards every woman and girl she had any power over, and is also extremely classist, ableist and racist. While the crimes of the GoT version were downplayed (at least before the season 6 finale), the book version, among other things, is guilty of the murders of many children including a baby, murdered her friend as a child, commits sexual assault, physically and emotionally abused her disabled little brother since his birth (she already abused him as a baby), is guilty of the murder of countless little people (just because she wanted to kill her brother), sends innocent women to be tortured and experimented on, sold a woman into slavery, orders a young boy to be whipped as a way to emotionally abuse her own son.tries to frame her teenage daughter-in-law and get her executed, and the list goes on. But Cersei is also a victim herself, and that's made very clear - of her father using her as a pawn, of her husband King Robert, who used to rape her while drunk and also is physically abusive. She feels generally constrained by her position as a woman. But her takeaways from that are not empathy or support for other women or for any marginalized and oppressed people, but the exact opposite. The complexity about her character is really more about the complexity of our response to her - her horrible behavior and personality makes us hate her, her victimization makes the reader feel pity and empathy, her delusions of grandeur are often hilarious, and there are some times when we may even feel on her side. One of those times is when, after she's done so many horrible things, she doesn't get punished for any of them, but instead gets publicly shamed and humiliated in a really gross and misogynistic way for the 'crime' of having sex outside marriage.

So, is hating Cersei misogynistic? In general, heck no! There are countless excellent reasons to hate her, and anyone who tries to argue that people hating Cersei is by itself misogyny is full of sh1t. But when some people focus not on any of her crimes but call her a wh0re or making fun of the rape and abuse she's suffered or cheer for her husband hitting her - that is misogyny.

It all depends on the type of criticism (or more often hate) - the kind of arguments, or slurs used, or when they are blatantly treated differently than male characters who do similar things. There are also certain things that fandoms are more likely to accuse of or hold female characters than the male characters and vice versa. When fans hate on male characters, you'll typically see them say the character is violent, abuser, rapist, murderer, or, a particularly popular accusation nowadays, "incel" (even if it makes no sense at all). Female characters, on the other hand, will mostly get criticized for their sexual behavior, who they have sex with/whether they have sex (they'll be either slut-shamed, or mocked as frigid women who have never had an orgasm), which male characters they reject, whether they are good mothers (male characters will get far less criticism for being neglectful or straight-up abusive fathers to their own children, while female characters' motherhood will get dissected endlessly), they will be blamed for the actions of men for the way they have supposedly infliuenced / manipulated them (whether or not there's any evidence of that) etc. while, on the other hand, actual violent crimes those or other women may commit might actually get ignored - because a woman committing violence is either unimaginable, funny or girlbossy. and that especially goes for things like rape, sexual abuse or domestic violence (because women are gentle helpless flowers who can never do such things, amirite). Female characters will also get criticized and hated and called a Mary Sue just for basically having the same tropes as male protagonists do all the time: being the Chosen One with some special destiny, being very competent in some area, influencing a lot of people. I've seen pretty much every female protagonst or supporting character who is described as being exceptional in any way as a Mary Sue - while male characters who are all those things to a much higher degree never get that.

So, there's a lot of sexism in fandoms. But there's also a lot of bad fath arguments and blanket accusation of misogyny as a convenient tool in fandom discourse, the same way that you'll inevitably get accused of being homophobic or biphobic jor racist just for not being a stan of certain characters or not shipping certain ships or preferring some ships to others. And again, there is real racism, homophobia, bisephobia, transphobia, misogyny in the fandoms, but fans will also try to use those accusations as a tool to win fandom debates and prove their side of the fandom is the morally right one, and the ones who disagree with them are bad.

I can't help but use the House of the Dragon fandom as an example, because that fandom is a huge toxic mess, with the fandom divided into Team Black and Team Green depending on which faction of the fictional dragonriding royal family fighting a civil war over the throne they like better....and the accusation of misogyny is especially popular. Quite a few of the Team Black stans are taking it to a whole new level by accusing everyone who isn't one of them of misogyny - because if you don't fully and 100% support the side that is trying to put Rhaenyra, a woman, on the throne you must be a misogynist. (Rhaenyra is the protagonist, but the story is very morally grey one without heroes or villains, and if you've read the source material you know just how morally grey it is, and that insisting that people have to root for either side is pretty silly... not to mention that it's all a fictional medieval monrachy, so why would you treat fiction as real life and also why would you then yell at people that they need to supprot hereditary monarchy in general?) The funniest thing is, however, the fact that many of those who are the loudest in those accusations are themselves making extremely misogynistic arguments against female characters on "Team Green", especially Alicent, the other main female character, who's the central charactre on Team Green. Rhaenyra gets some hate that is rooted in misogyny (such as slut-shaming or judging her more harshly than male kings or pretenders to the throne), but there are many more fans who idealize her and ignore or downplay her flaws and mistakes (in the show she's generally portrayed as someone to root for at this point in the story at least, but not as someone who's flawless - but most of the fandom hates nuance!), flattening her as a character in the process. But, since Team Black makes up around 80-90% of the fandom, it's Alicent who gets demonized, so it's much more common to find misogynistic takes about her (downplaying or mocking and making memes of her victimization and every instance of sexual abuse, rape and humiliation she's endured, arguing that she 'seduced' a grown man when she was 14 , trying to reduce her to an 'evil stepmother' trope, hyperfocusing on her as a "bad mother"- while the bad fathers, including her husband, don't get the same treatment, blaming her for the actions of the men around her...). The fandom also bullied both of the actresses who have played her, to the point that one left social media for a while, and the other has publicly spoken about the cyber bullying she was exposed to and how it affected her (and as a result of talking about it, got hated and attacked even more). At the same time, male characters who have done much, much worse and are actually murderers and/or rapists and abusers get whitewashed and adored if they are on the "right" team (even abuse against Rhaenyra gets downplayed if it's committed by a man from Team Black), and even the men on Team Green who have actually commited murder and/or rape are getting less hate than Alicent (and their crimes are often used to reflect on her).

And that's why the HotD fandom is a perfect example showing that many of the people in fandoms who use misogyny (or some other supposedly progressive issue) don't really care about it. It all just comes down to winning a fandom war.

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"I grew up with Don't Like Don't Read/Watch and Ship And Let Ship."

Me.

This is the TL;DR of what my original post was trying to say, but I understandably shook a few fellow beetlebabes in the process.

If you like it great! If you don't, okay! Totally valid to hate the musical because of the fandom uglies alone. I. Get. That. And it's fine for someone to vocalize their opinions on the matter, but not to the point of turning into an immature disappointment that thrives off the suffering of others - that is something that antis do.

I also hope we are all on the same page with non-shippers and antis being two VERY different groups. Non-shippers are also just living their lives just like us beetlebabes are. This is something that seasoned lovers of any franchise know and understand very well.

I just wanna stay cordial with all kinds of fans of the BJ universes, no matter what they ship or don't ship, and no matter what beetlejuice universe you like. I like it all because I like Beetlejuice. It's fun. It's silly. It doesn't take itself too seriosuly (at least its not supposed to), and it's a good reminder to not take myself too seriously too, even if I do still cry watching it sometimes.

I really hope that all creators that were a part of any Beetlejuice universe can look back at their creations and say "Holy hell I had a lot of fun doing that and the fans were amazing." - that is the kind of experience I want for this (and every) fandom.

Beetlejuice doesn't have to be that serious, and other's words only have the power that you give them. Burton is his own can of worms. Talk about a nuanced person. I love the movies he's made, and I LOVE BJ2, but he isn't my favorite person in the world. The idea that the musical was made out of spite, and then hearing that the movie was perhaps a spiteful response is a little OOC for me because the Betelgeuse universe I am a part of doesn't give a rats ass about anyone's opinion of him. He's too busy loving himself lol.

I wanna go back to what I said earlier about what's considered Beetlejuice fanfiction. The cartoon, the musical, and both movies, they were all written by different teams of people, and it is my understanding that writers are the creators of worlds, buuuuuuut....... Beetlejuice is a unique little monster because he is a multiverse within himself.

As I continue to argue with myself, I say that Beetlejuice was mostly created by Michael Keaton. Although Keaton didn't even want to do it until he heard Burton's ideas- and Burton was recruited by the original writers Michael McDowell and Warren Skaaren, Keaton ended up having complete freedom to do whatever the hell he wanted, and brilliance ensued. It was his creation and personality that inspired so much to come out after the movie. Everyone goes based on Michael Keaton's character creation. Alex Brightman even begged for Michael Keaton to see the musical, right?

I would say that Keaton is the head creative force behind Beetlejuice as a character, and out of anyone who is part of these universes, Keaton is the most qualified to speak on the subject. It is HIS character. But it is his character in a miltiverse that was created, loved, hated, and passionately moved by soooooooo many others.

With that being said, people are still allowed to disagree with Michael Keaton, just like people are allowed to disagree with Tim Burton, and the musical, and Alex Brightman's opinions.

Hell I disagree with the idea that the intentions of the musical was made out of beetlebabe spite, but I am still going to go in there and watch the musical and STILL ship it because thats what fandoms are all about. And I think its FUNNIER that way lol. The musical side can say "fuck you" to me and the other beetlebabes all they want. They can't stop me from enjoying it and shipping them anyway.

I feel like a Veronica in a room filled with a bunch of Heathers from all the BJ universes. I feel like the chick in Mean Girls that's crying, saying that she wants everyone to be happy, only for someone in the back to yell "she doesn't even go here" lmaoooo. I'm 30 and have been a fan of all Beetlejuice content since I was about 7.

Glad we can all mostly appreciate the cartoon tho..... right?

*gulp*....... right?

Am I the only person in the Beetlejuice fandom that LIKES the movies, the musical, AND show and don't care that they're different? Can we not appreciate different versions of the same thing? I honestly don't get it. It is possible to appreciate all versions of the Beetlejuice universe. I promise.

The 2nd movie isn't negating the musical or the show because the movies are their own cannon, just like the musical is its own cannon, and so is the cartoon. Do the universes make jabs at each other sometimes? Of course they do. It's Beetlejuice for God's sake. It's meta as fuck which is why it cracks me up that some of y'all take this so seriously. Especially the ship wars. Jeezus. 😒 it's not that serious guys.

The 2nd movie doesn't take anything away from the show or the cartoon because they are all different universes.

And that's OKAY!

It's all fanfiction after the 1st movie anyway so why are y'all so mad? Is it because things aren't going your way? Is it because the creators wrote the fanfiction wrong to you?

There's fanfiction for that, too, ya know.

The cartoon show was created AFTER the movie... so it's literally episodic fanfiction. Good fanfiction. I watched it. Love it.

The musical was created AFTER the movie AND the show..... Fanfiction. I get to see it live for the first time in November and I am SO excited. I already know how the story differs and I'm fine with it being different. I LIKE that they're being creative.

The 2nd movie is literally a FANFICTION. I swear to God they scoured ao3 and said bet. It's fucking ridiculous. Yeah I fucking LOVED how stupid it was. How can anyone take any of these universes seriously?!?!

None of it would have existed without THE ORIGINAL SOURCE MATERIAL. Thank you Keatlejuice. 💚

It's all fanfiction. These creators just got to make money off their bullshit, and I think some of y'all are just mad that others fanfictions got the green light and yours didn't.

And if that's the case then go touch some grass.

I personally love all forms, and I know there has got to be others that do, too.

[thesquirrelqueer]

Wow I just realized that I never made an intro post with all the new people following me for musical stuff

So Hi! I’m Dani or Daniel, I use he/him or they/them pronouns. I’m a queer disabled artist based in NYC

My top shows are Be More Chill, Love In Hate Nation, Heathers, Beetlejuice, Wicked, Little Shop of Horrors, and Ride The Cyclone. I've been doing theatre since I was 10. I’ve been in both plays and musicals (The Diary of Anne Frank, Roma Amor, West Side Story, Heathers, Happy Days, etc.).

Since I’m assuming most of you are here for BMC, here’s some of my history with it. I got into BMC back in 2017 and was pretty quiet in the fandom during that time. I saw the show when it was on Broadway in 2019 and it became a special interest. A lot of the Broadway cast knows who I am and has referred to me as “Baby Tam” (mostly Gerard). I’m semi-friends with Joe Iconis and almost did an internship with him (long story).

I make a lot more content over on my tiktok where I talk about musicals, art, and do cosplay. I also post my art on instagram and twitter (but I don’t really use twitter as much). I have a patreon where you can get behind the scenes content of my work as well as an etsy if you’d like to buy some of my work. And that’s about it! Hope you enjoy my blog.

[nateiplier1]

INTRO POST :D

finally making one of these 

so hi! My name is Nate my pronouns are he/him I’m 18, a trans man pansexual omniromantic and poly I have three pet cats and I selfship as well please don't yell at me for my fandoms/f/os i can't pick them they're all hyperfixations

before all that This is a pretty long post so keep that in mind :)

MY DNI LIST

so dni if:

-you’re sexist homophobic anti any minorities really

-you’re a map proshipper or terf 

-toxic dsmp antis

-If you hate any of my f/os

PLEASE INTERACT IF

-we share f/os!!! I’d love to hear what you think of them!!!!!!

-if we’re in the same fandoms!!

FANDOMS

-youtuber egos

-danganronpa

-dsmp (just for c!fundy)

genshin

-mlp

-demon slayer

-bnha (kind of)

-undertale

-fnaf

-negima

-black butler 

-helluva/hazbin (don't support viv)

-south park

-bojack horseman

- honkai star rail

MY F/Os

Romantic: 

Darkiplier (iplier ego)

Katsuki Bakugou (mha)

Dabi (mha)

Giyuu tomiokia (demon slayer)

rengoku kyojuro (demon slayer)

Izuru kamukura (Danganronpa)

Nagito komaeda  (Danganronpa)

Phantom (natewantstobattle ego)

c!fundy (dsmp)

kaeya alberich (genshin)

antisepticeye (jacksepticeye ego)

junko enoshima (danganronpa)

Ajax (genshin)

rosaria (genshin)

beidou (genshin)

Albedo (genshin)

dorian/susbedo/rubedo/imposterbedo/subject 2/primordial albedo (genshin)

N (pokemon)

Monika (ddlc)

Sebastian (Stardew)

Karl (law of talos)

Mirsunari (ikemen)

Damien (monster prom)

Vera (monster prom)

Micah (error143)

Hunter (toh)

Scaramouche (genshin)

Julian (the arcana)

Tighnari (genshin)

denki kaminari (mha)

 Sebastian Michaelis (black butler)

yancy (markiplier ego)

marvin (jacksepticeye ego)

Pavitr prabhakar (atsv)

Serval (star rail)

gorou (genshin)

heizou (genshin)

Jason dean (heathers)

Virgil Sanders (sander sides)

Micheal mell (be more chill)

Miu iruma (Danganronpa)

Rantaro amami (Danganronpa)

 lyney (genshin)

dan heng (honkai)

navia (genshin)

furina (genshin)

Dottore (genshin)

Itto (genshin)

kaveh (genshin)

winter king (fiona and cake)

Aether (genshin)

cyno (genshin)

blade (honkai)

baizhu (genshin)

Jingliu (honkai)

wriothesley (genshin)

 Candace (genshin)

piers (pokemon)

Tamaki (Ohshc)

 Hanya (honkai)

mycheal (mushroom oasis)

ga-ming (genshin)

caelus (honkai)

sunday (honkai)

Aventurine (honkai) sampo (honkai) argenti (honkai) Xueyi (honkai)

gepard (honkai) Diluc ragnvindr (genshin) Chuuya (bsd) Dazai (bsd) Alastor (hazbin hotel)

black swan (honkai) ayato (genshin) kirara (genshin) ei (genshin) boothill (honkai)

Wheatly (portal) Ruan mei (honkai) Luka (honkai) Thoma (genshin) connor (dear Evan Hansen) scar (wuwa) lingyang (wuwa) dainsleif (genshin)

layla (genshin) sethos (genshin) k1-b0 (danganronpa) sabito (demon slayer) jingyuan (honkai) rinne amagi (enstars) kazuha (genshin) tori himemiya (enstars) mayoi ayase (enstars) rei sakuma (enstars) arashi narukami (enstars) Nicole Demara (Zenless Zone Zero) von lycaon (Zenless Zone Zero)

platonic:

Blitzø (helluva boss)

Ibuki Mioda (Danganronpa)

Miu Iruma (Danganronpa)

Mikan Tsumiki (Danganronpa)

Chiaki Nanami (Danganronpa)

Natemare (Natewantstobattle ego)

Toko Fukawa (Danganronpa)

Kazuichi Soda (Danganronpa)

rainbow dash (mlp)

fluttershy (mlp)

pinkie pie (mlp)

Roman Sanders (sander sides)

Virgil Sanders (sander sides)

c!slimecicle (dsmp)

 c!quackity (dsmp)

Mr.peanutbutter (Bojack)

march 7th (honkai)

yae miko (genshin)

Alhaitham (genshin)

Basil (omori)

 Asra Alnazar (arcana)

familial: 

C!Tommy (dsmp) brother

Chase Body (jacksepticeye ego) father

princess luna (mlp) sister

Diona (genshin) sister

Jack Walten (the Walten files) father

asgore (Undertale)

princess celestia (mlp) mother

c!eret (dsmp) parent

Patton Sanders (sander sides) father

glamrock Freddy (fnaf) father

Logan Sanders (sander sides) father

Mack (iswm) farther

Signora (genshin) mother

Yelan (genshin) mother

Zhongli (genshin) father Venti (genshin) father

welt (honkai) father

himiko (honkai) mother

kokichi ouma (danganronpa) son

Kotoko Utsugi (Danganronpa) daughter

Negi (negima) son

Nezuko  Kamado (demon slayer) daughter

Tanjiro  Kamado (demon slayer) son

Eri (mha) daughter

The collector (toh) Child

Paimon (genshin) daughter

collei (genshin) daughter

mika (genshin) son

fischl (genshin) daughter

bailu (honkai) daughter

yanqing (honkai) son

hook (honkai) daughter

silver wolf (honkai) daughter

MY KIN LIST

Blitzø

Nagito Komeada 

Ibuki Mioda

Miu Iruma

Mikan Tsumiki

C!Tommy

Chiaki Nanami

Toko Fukawa

Kazuichi Soda

rainbow dash

fluttershy

pinkie pie

Masaru Daimon

C!fundy

Mirabel Madrigal

Shuichi Saihara

Izzy moonblow

Fishcl

Diona

sarah lynn

diane nguyen

Layla

Bennett

Michael mell

Loona

Octavia

Mabel

Bingo

Hunter

March 7th

Kirara

Ganyu

Yoimiya

Ajax

kaveh

kaeya

scaramouche

mycheal

micah 

[sorrowfulpoeticconman]

Really wanting to rp

Anyone down?

I’ll list my fandoms and characters I can play below

Dear Evan Hansen-Connor (preferred) Evan (played a few times before) Jared (played exactly once before)

Be More Chill-Jeremy (preferred) Michael (used to play often) Christine (have not played but would be down to try)

IT-Bill (preferred) Richie (have played many times) Stanley (have not played but would be down to try)

Heathers-Veronica, Duke and McNamara (no preference, have played all three multiple times, may be rusty as I have not done any Heathers roleplays in multiple months)

Paper Girls-Mac (have never played before but would be down to try, though I have only read four of the comics and not seen the show)

Skins-Cassie (only played once)

The Breakfast Club-Allison (only played once multiple years ago) Bender (never played)

Harry Potter-Luna (never played but would really like to) (btw I hate JK Rowling + am trans I just think Luna’s neat)

Sanders Sides-Virgil, Logan (no preference, with sanders sides rp I prefer to do high school aus and such)

I also have multiple OCs if you’d like to ask about them

Comment on this post or dm me if you wanna rp