#this coupled with being bi and how people treat bi people and still not feeling as ‘gay’ as everyone else
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vampyrobot · 1 year ago
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I feel like a bit of a fraud lol…
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infiniteaugends · 18 days ago
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Okay! I need to get this out of my head. I’ve seen some posts that are upset that people are upset about the BuckTommy break up. The core gripe of these posts is that the show still has HenKaren and so we shouldn’t be upset about the handling of the other main queer couple. Which makes no sense because BuckTommy and HenKaren fulfill different niches. One is a bisexual man exploring a new relationship and the other is two gay women who are settled with multiple kids.
However, this post is to talk about HenKaren. Yes I love them! They were the main thing that drew me to the show long before bi Buck became a thing. They are two black women in a relationship. Neither is ‘conventionally’ attractive. Hen is pretty visually queer. I love them. I want more of them in the show. However I don’t relate to them. Almost all of their storylines revolve around motherhood. There is very limited exploration of them as queer women outside of motherhood. Karen is a literal rocket scientist and that has never even been used as any sort of plot point. Like the amount of physics she knows and understands could be used to great effect. Micheal got to help break into a bank vault with Bobby, but Karen has never been used in a similar way. Like the amount of STEM knowledge stored in her brain 100% could have solved at least a few rescues. Can we explore these amazing woman as queer women instead of mothers just sometimes pls.
I read a fanfic that explored how Don’t ask, Don’t tell could have affected Karen. That she couldn’t become an astronaut because of it. I would love more of that energy in the show.
So yes you are right I am bemoaning the way Buck and Tommy’s break up was handled. I am bemoaning the lack of care given to exploring Buck’s bisexuality within monogamy. I am allowed to be upset. I am allowed to not relate to the storylines given to Hen and Karen. What happened to Hen being kinda witchy and blaming the moon cycle for her cheating? What happened to Hen and Karen and Athena’s wine mom nights? Where is our exploration of Karen as partner to a woman in a dangerous field of work? Where is our exploration of their relationship outside of kids?
You want me to appreciate the crumbs of queer representation being tossed my way? Well won’t you’re right we should be angry that Hen and Karen are treated as second class citizens in the narrative. We should be upset that their importance has been reduced to only motherhood. We should be upset that this show is mishandling all of its queer characters and letting Eddie Diaz have freedom and joy while our queer representation suffers.
BuckTommy was the straw that broke the camels trust in 911 ability to craft realistic queer lives and continue to care about them more than a diversity check mark. I will continue to watch HenKaren clips on YouTube and read fan-fiction. I will continue to engage with Bi Buck fan-fiction that heals the parts of me that Glee and this show have bruised. I will not thank them for the stale crumbs they brush from the table. Do I love Hen and Karen? Yes! Is it enough? Not anymore!
Anyway, I got a little heated and upset, but all this discourse is really just rubbing me the wrong way. Let people be upset and hurt. Their feelings are valid whether you agree.
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gor3sigil · 4 months ago
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Little things about being transmasc and/or a trans man:
As trans men and/or transmasc, we always are told to "do better" than cis men, and at the same time to conform to the patriarchal model of masculinity (white, able bodied, strong, thin, necer show emotions etc) to be seen as men/masc.
But you have to understand that some trans men don't want to perform that type of masculinity or CAN'T altogether.
Furthermore, our sexual orientations are often weaponized against us. If we love men, we're called slurs or in more feminist spaces. we're told that we're just women with extra steps, and if we love women, we're asked why we can't just be lesbians or told that we are doing patriarchy all over again. And if you dare to identify gay, you're told that no gay men like p*ssies, and if you dare to identify as a lesbian, you can't because no lesbians like men. And that is without considering the very broad sexuality/romantic spectrum, where your transness is basically a weapon too (aromantic ? Yeah, figure, you're trans and confused. Bi ? Yeah, figure, you're trans and can't decide. Asexual ? Yeah, figure, you're trans or WORSE you're afab and traumatized and so on and so forth).
Gender nonconforming trans men/transmascs are relentlessly called trenders within the community or asked why they even bother to transition. In the outside world, we are often read as a threat and assaulted because of it. But if you are gender conforming, you'll have smirky cis women tell you how you just fantasised about being a Big Strong Man and are just matrixed by patriarchy or too traumatized to live as a woman.
Want to transition medically ? Oh, but T is a BAD hormone that does BAD thing like make you gain WEIGHT and gives you ACNE and makes you GROSS. On the weight topic I could write a book about the horrible fatphobia within the community because I kid you not, I have been a girl teen with EDs who hung out in pr* an* forums and I've seen some shit in transmascs groups and passing tips that have a real resemblance to what I saw back then. Same for transmascs/trans men fitness groups.
Don't want to transition medically ? Lol theyfab. Like so much a woman. Very lady like with a bonus of bringing the movement down.
When it comes to inside the community, we can't talk about specific issues without being shushed, intersex transmascs, and trans men face a LOT of hardships and are insulted. I remember a friend of mine who is an intersex trans man receiving death threats and got told to [redacted] himself when he talked about his experiences as an intersex trans man BY TRANS PEOPLE.
Bipoc trans men and transmascs are always confronted to the white standards of passing coupled with the rampant racism within and outside of the community.
And one thing I can not not bring up: I think a lot of people forget that we can't mourn our dead. Why ? Because these past years, transmascs and trans men have been forgotten from TDOR lists. I remember seeing Twitter threads from trans men adding them because we don't even KNOW when someone has died or they are deemed as women and the death is treated like a feminicide. And it has been a constant.
We can basically never please no matter what we do.
That's my 2 cents on the transandrophobia because I feel like it needs to be said. If you still think that trans men and transmasc individuals don't face specific issues, think again.
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buddiebeginz · 2 months ago
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So B*mmy's attacked another journalist and caused them to go private on twitter. This time it was the person who wrote the article for USWeekly. The one about couples people want to see happen and because they included Buddie B*mmy's went after them.
You know they go on and on about how their ship is endgame and how Buddie is never going to happen. Well if that were truly the case they wouldn't need to attack us for our head canons. They wouldn't care if we saw Eddie as queer. They wouldn't even care if Eddie came out. They certainly wouldn't need to care about random articles that talked about how Buddie could happen.
But they do care and they do feel threatened because they know deep down that everything since s7 is screaming that their ship isn't going to last. Everytime they harrass people so publicly and loud like this all they do is make their entire fandom look awful. Fandom drama doesn't dictate what decisions Tim is going to make for the show but I do think it can play a factor. I think fandom in general can play a role in what stories get made. I don't think Buck would have ever even come out as bi if not for the Buddie fandom being as loud and supportive of it happening as we've been over the years.
I'm positive that Tim, the higher ups at abc, and the actors have all taken notice of the toxicity of the B*mmy fandom. Tim himself called them out in that podcast during the hiatus. And while Buddie fandom have said and done things that have crossed lines over the years we have never been as bad as some of the stuff I've seen coming from B*mmy stans since last season. They have repeatedly attacked not only our fandom but journalists, the actors (literally making a 4 hour podcast of their hate for Oliver and also telling Ryan he should have finished the job after he opened up about being s*icidal), the 911news account, etc.
From what I've seen they can't handle anyone having a different opinion than them. Almost since 7x04 happened I've seen them attacking Buddie shippers and calling us homophobic for still shipping Buddie. Even though the majority of Buddie shippers were supportive of the kiss when it happened and were thrilled Buck had his bi awakening. But because we've continued to talk about how we want to see Buddie happen, something a lot of us have done for years regardless of whatever love interest the guys have been with and because we've talked about our issues with T*mmy, especially with how he treats Buck, they think that gives them the right to attack us personally. 
I fully support everyone's right to like the stuff they like and dislike the stuff they don't. Lord knows I've shipped a lot of unpopular ships over the years. But B*mmy stans have made this not just about a fictional show and ships anymore. This isn't just about how one group likes one ship and one group likes another. This is about how one group in the 911 fandom uses the fact that they ship a canon m|m ship as a shield to be abusive to anyone who disagrees with them.
They've made it so it's not just Buddie shippers who want T*mmy and that ship to go it's also everyone who is tired of dealing with the poison they've injected into the 911 fandom. They don't just make their own fandom look bad when they act out the way they do they make 911 fandom as whole look bad. I've been a part of this fandom for years and never seen animosity as bad it's been this year. I hope that when T*mmy goes our fandom can heal though to be honest there a lot of people I no longer care to interact with after all this.
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fsfghgee · 3 months ago
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If Sektor and Bi-Han really were a couple, what HCS do you have for them? Honestly, if they were a couple someday, I wouldn't mind. After all, it's a new universe and some things had to change ^^
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When Bi-Han first saw Sektor, he was enchanted by her fighting skills and beauty. She had the skills and swing of an experienced warrior, but the delicate face and gaze of an apprentice hungry for knowledge.
Always around his older brother, Kuai Liang noticed when Bi-Han acquired the habit of not only watching the training of warriors with their father, but also for keep looking for a specific female warrior.
Bi-Han spent months just watching Sektor from afar and not even knowing her name, he began to dream about her and wish more and more to be able to talk to her. Bi-Han wasn't a coward, but he felt like one whenever he tried to get close to her.
As a future Grandmaster, most people treated him like a prince, unintentionally isolating him from most people in the clan (especially the lower ranking ones), and his demanding training schedule in diverse areas made Bi-Han had little time to even try to get close to her.
On the day the Grandmaster was too busy to choose the weapon that Tomas would use in his fighting practices, but wishing to congratulate him on his newly acquired mastery of typhomancy, he assigned Bi-Han and Kuai Liang to go to the nearest master armorer to buy a blade. That day Bi-Han exchanged words with Sektor for the first time and as he left the place he longed to hear her voice again.
In the days that followed, Bi-Han would sneak out of training to visit Sektor's family workshop. Making excuses about acquiring more knowledge about weapons and buying more weapons that he wouldn't even use because he made his own weapons with cryomancy, he got to know Sektor better and the connection he felt with her, a connection that grew every single day mixed with the desire to have her close at any time, made him question if he was suffering from the same weakness as his younger brother.
On a night, when Kuai Liang and Bi-Han returned early from a visit to Liu Kang, their father had stayed behind to continue dealing with more serious matters with the god, Kuai Liang talked non-stop about Harumi to Bi-Han and how he wanted to visit her again when he was surprised that his older brother showed interest in the subject instead of just listening in silence with a bored look. Bi-Han asked how it was… How he knew she was the one… Kuai Liang explained how he thought about Harumi constantly, how he missed her when he was away from her, how the time seemed to fly by when they were together, how she always understood him and how he felt at home just being in her presence.
Sektor enjoyed Bi-Han's company and he attracted her like no other ever could. Her father advised her about her entanglement with the heir and how she should be more cautious. After all, he was still the heir to the clan's leadership position. The responsibilities that weighed on Bi-Han's shoulders were beyond her knowledge.
When they kissed for the first time, it had been Bi-Han's first kiss to Sek's surprise. She took his lip virginity and he blushed in a way she never imagined a cryomancer could do.
A few days after Bi-Han had confessed his feelings for her, Sektor began to hear talk about how something must have happened to the Ice Prince because he no longer accompanied his father on visits to the warriors' training sessions and that everything indicated that he had been sent to a distant sub-clan for training. She cried for three days because he had left without saying goodbye and could barely eat without her father's encouragement.
When his relationship with the daughter of a master armorer reached his father's ears, along with his constant absences and delays for his daily lessons, he punished him. Sending him away and only allowing him to return after he swore by his mother's spirit that he would never see the armorer's daughter again. Constantly reminding him of how unworthy he still was of his position and that if he disobeyed his orders again he would punish Sektor's family, Bi-Han complied with his father's orders without a second thought.
Sektor got to know Bi-Han's cold side when she managed to get close to him one day, eager to talk to him and find out how he was doing after not seeing him for so long. He broke her heart that day and he wept over it in a way he had only did the night he learned of his mother's death.
Not expecting his father to ever approve of Sektor, especially since the marriage talks before he took over as grandmaster continued in discussions without any real interest in his opinion, Bi-Han knew the moment his father had that accident that he would have to let him die if he wanted to be happy one day. His father was too strong and stubborn to ever change his mind or die naturally.
After all the honors were done, warnings sent, matters to be finalized finally concluded, Bi-Han took over as Grandmaster and looked for her. After so many years of avoiding her, it was expected that Sektor would reject him and Bi-Han would accept, but after explaining why he did what he did, she accepted him back. As if they had never been apart, she loved him even more. Recognizing all the sacrifices he had made so that they could be together.
Bi-Han named Sektor second in command of the Lin Kuei and reminded her of the dreams and plans they had made together before he was forced to leave her, she agreed to help him in his efforts to make them all come true immediately.
Sektor was not pleased to learn that Bi-Han had known her apprentice for a long time, since the Zaki clan, one of the many Lin Kuei sub-clans scattered in Earthrealm, was where Bi-Han was sent when he was punished.
Sektor used to be very jealous of Bi-Han's relationship with Frost to the point that she couldn't hide her annoyance when Bi-Han talked about his apprentice, but over time, after hearing from Bi-Han many times that she was like a little sister to him and that his intentions towards her were the same as hers towards her apprentice, Cyrax, she began to treat Frost in a less unfriendly manner.
Sektor used to feel jealous of Bi-Han with Cyrax when she watched them doing anything together due to the friendship they cultivated, but her trust in her apprentice and Bi-Han made her hold her tongue. Although she still can't help but feel jealous of seeing him near Cyrax, even if it's just to lecture her.
In any argument, even when it comes to the future of the clan, the one who has the last word is Sektor.
What Bi-Han loves most about Sektor is her quick thinking, her understanding, her confidence, her loyalty, her genius, her ingenuity, her affection and her combat skills.
What Sektor loves most about Bi-Han is his confidence, his determination, his open-mindedness, his generosity towards the clan, his concern, his strength, his puns and his combat skills.
Though they are cold and ruthless to their enemies, they value those who are loyal to them above all else. Sektor knows he would kill and die for her, and Bi-Han knows she would do the same for him.
When they first met, Sektor withheld her birth name and gave him her codename; Bi-Han calls her Sektor more than by her real name to this day.
Sektor never calls him Sub-Zero or Grandmaster. But she demands that Cyrax and Frost call him Grandmaster always.
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moonblossom-bunny · 28 days ago
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Fizzarozzie have a good character dynamic actually (and are decent characters overall)
There comes a time, in whatever fandom you’re in, that you come across some takes made by people which makes you think right away ‘are we watching the same show?’. Takes made on storylines, characters and but most of all ships. Recently I came across, multiple shared takes regarding Fizzarolli and Asmodeus from Helluva Boss. Two secondary cast characters who have interacted in a total of three episodes as of writing this. These takes were presented as a negative and included the following: . Fizz and Ozzie’s personality isn’t the same after their first introduction and that’s a bad thing. . Fizz acts too childish and therefore can be perceived as child-coded as well as it infantilizes gay men. . Fizz and Ozzie have a sugardaddy/sugarbaby dynamic and that’s a bad thing. . Twink boyfriend and strong boyfriend dynamic is fetishsizing gay men. I, personally and thus in my opinion, don’t agree with any of these takes. Hence this character analysis post to debunk all of this points. I’ll try to keep this as objective as possible. I also can’t really make a solid point on the last take and partially on take two, since I’m a bi disaster and not a gay man, so I can’t stand on that soapbox to claim if a fictional character is toxic or bad representation or fuel for the fetishsizing of gay and queer men from their experience and standpoint. (But I did do some Google research and apparently what is meant by the fetishation of gay men, is that the tropes of how a gay man is portrait in media, for example anime, manga, sitcoms, movies, is carried over to irl gay men and as such they are treated like an accessory or less like a person. Slash shippers seem to be most notorious for this. Source: {link} {link} {link} Again. Can’t say how much of the claim adds to an already fictional gay couple in a show filled with LGBTQ+ characters…but still not my soapbox to stand on.) Feel free to add on to this post if one so desires. This ended up being a 5 page doc though so it's a long one.
Fizz and Ozzie’s personality isn’t the same after their first introduction and that’s a bad thing. A point made by some people who dislike the way this ship has progressed because the next time we see them after their introduction in S1E7, they seem to have made a 180 in personality traits. While S1 E7 shows us these two are a team when it comes to performing and supporting each other in the club. From their duet where Fizz adds on to what Ozzie is singing and physically holds him up during one segment of it, to Ozzie not stopping Fizz when he calls out Blitz and even pointing out that Stolas ‘threw away his life for a thrust’. Which is followed by ‘that’s the spirit of lust’ and thus probably not perceived as a bad thing since he is the embodiment of lust and all that. Though it does come across as Stolas being chastised for that from his and Blitz’ pov and their body language reflects that. S1 E7 basically just shows us that Fizz isn’t afraid to call someone out on their bullshit. That he is snarky and spiteful towards Blitz. That he’s not above making fun of someone while on stage what we see him do to Moxxie. Which is also what he does being the jester character and all. A clown makes people laugh by making fun of himself, a jester makes people laugh by making fun of other people. Asmodeus is pretty much the same in that episode. Standing by lust over love and reinforcing that when it comes to the acts for his club. Calling out Moxxie in his song etc. At a first viewing the audience may walk away seeing them both as an antagonist towards our main cast with how they acted towards them. Kicking M&M out of their club over a love song. Calling out Blitz as being a disgrace in a public setting. Stolas being put in the spotlight for being there with an imp. So I do kind of get why some people figured their whole character changed when we see them again in S2 E6 and E7 and they are portrayed as this lovey dovey couple without the snark and the spite. Most importantly, also without an in universe audience. While we see Ozz and Fizz sing together in S1. Their interactions together are less direct. They don’t have a conversation with each other and the most we see is how physically they interact to give us any clue on what their relationship and dynamic actually is. Fizz tends to curl around Ozzie’s arm.
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Ozzie is visibly worried and shaken when Fizz gets bonked on the head by Millie.
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They share a brief cuddle with each other at the end of Moxie’s song. Even during their song there are hints that they aren’t as antagonistic as they might appear to be.
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Aside from the earlier mentioned backhanded praise towards Stolas for embracing his lust, they give Moxxie the chance to change his song from a love song into one about lust for the sake of the audience and seeing that’s how the club just rolls. Only getting the insults when he sticks to his guns and keeps the song sweet and about the love he has for Millie. So there are snippets there to show us they aren’t unreasonable characters and a little softer towards each other than what they show others. The next time we see them is in a private setting and we as the audience, learn they are madly in love and hiding it from the public (badly) because the sin of lust shouldn’t be in love and least of all with an imp. But there are no prying eyes so they can let their walls down and this is the result. We still see bits and pieces of what was set up in S1 E7 though. Fizz isn’t afraid to be a little snarky when trying to convince Ozzie to let him go out without an escort.
He’s spiteful towards Blitz when they meet again and only softens up towards him when he’s learned about the other side of what happened during the circus fire.
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We even see less of that in S2 E7. But by then he’s kind of patched things up with Blitz and the reason to be snarky and spiteful and resentful towards him is gone. So we get witty comeback banter instead the few times they interact in that episode. He’s also thrown in a completely different setting compared to the previous episode and we get to see how he acts in a work stress filled environment. A flashback even tells us Fizz has self worth issues and needs reassurance from those he cares about. In his childhood that was Blitz and now that person is Ozzie.
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The same flashback shows us that he gets really anxious when backed into a corner or in the case of the scenario being jumped on by a creepy fan. With Ozzie we see how he takes his job as embodiment of lust seriously with the work he does in the factory. (S2E6) With making sure Stolas knows lust isn’t about force. Just as he takes it seriously in his club.
We see the spurt of anger he displayed towards M&M near the end of the Ozzie episode come back tenfold when Crimson lets him know he’s got Fizz captured and when the lawyer is getting on his last nerves.
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Which also fits because Asmodeous isn’t just the demon of lust but also linked to vengeance and anger as described by The Dictionnaire Infernal, so it makes sense as to why he has a short fuse. {link} This also comes back in S2 E7 when he calls Blitz and gets worked up over Mammon and when he confronts Mammon at the end of the same episode. We also see Ozzie being worried for and even overprotective of Fizz. A small snippet of that we were already shown after Millie knocked Fizz out in S1. So yeah, they aren’t that different compared to their introduction. The setting and who they interact with show different aspects of their personality. It’s just that S2 tends to highlight more aspects of their character because of the Fizz and Blitz miniarc that happened. Fizz acts too childish and therefore can be perceived as child-coded as well as it infantilizes gay men. I can only make educated guesses why some say this. Is it the clown costume? Is it his hyperactive personality? Is it because he lets Ozzie carry him around? Is it the burgers for breakfast thing? Or how Ozzie is overprotective of Fizz which one can argue might be on the border of being a toxic thing in their relationship? All of those things do happen in the show and is shown to the audience. But those things also happen next to the profanity Fizz spews, him drinking alcohol, acting slutty, being serious about his profession as a clown/jester. He also explains, in show, why he’s constantly joking around and acting like he does even in a private setting with Ozzie. “You are with me because of who I am at my best.” To Fizz, at that moment in S2 E7, his best is how he is on stage when he’s performing. How he’s been perceived as Mammon’s brand baby. It wouldn’t be that far fetched to think he might feel a need to uphold that image even when around Ozzie. Hench the jokes first thing in the morning or when Ozzie is repairing his broken arm at the end of Oops. It’s also just a common way of dealing with tension or hide fear or anxiety to crack jokes. Doesn’t make him childish. Makes him a clown coping in his own way. Both Ozzie and Fizz also have an immense height difference between them. While you can see Oz carrying Fizz around as a way of coddling him. Fizz also actively chooses to be carried around by jumping in his arms.
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We can let loose all kinds of possibilities on why that is, from the fact that Fizz is disabled and being carried is less daunting on his limbs. Or maybe it’s more from a cinematic standpoint and makes it easier for the animators to not have Ozzie bend over all the time while they’re interacting or need to be kissing for a scene. By being carried, Fizz is also elevated to Ozzie’s level to possibly show that they see each other as equals in their relationship. Or the more simple possible reason, it’s a way to play around with their height difference and nothing more. Since it’s happened more than once, I do think it’s an deliberate choice that was being made to have Fizz in Ozzie’s arms frequently. It might even just be there to show that Ozz is the ‘caretaker’ out of both of them.
He’s the one that cooks and he’s worried for Fizz’ safety and he’s the one who reassures him.
Even if Ozzie is overprotective of Fizz, Fizzarolli doesn’t shy away from voicing his opinion and wants. He directly argues against Ozzie’s over protectiveness when it crosses a line for him.
“Come on Ozz, I can be on my own for one day.” (About going to Greed without an escort)
"Mammon’s been my idol since I was five. I’d be letting him down. The fans down.” (Voicing arguments about attending the clown pageant even though Ozz really makes a case on why he shouldn’t.)
So while, yes one might see Asmodeus’ mother hen moments as babying, we never see Fizz actually being fully dependent on Ozzie and the security he gives him. The whole point of S2E7 was that Fizz couldn’t just quit his job because without it he would feel like he would lose all the good things he has. Including Ozzie.
And to be fair, the cutesy moments between them are on par with what Moxxie and Millie have. That’s all. The nicknames, the cooing, the giggling. They are just madly in love with each other your honor and that is far from infantilization. At most annoying to some people I guess. But not infantilization.
Fizz and Ozzie have a sugardaddy/sugarbaby dynamic and that’s a bad thing.
The only time Fizz has ever been called a ‘sugarbaby’ is by Blitz in S2E7 as he implies Ozzie is his sugardaddy.
Fizz still works for his money at that point. Fizz continues to work for his money after that, as we see him salespitching to Blitz in S2E8.
He’s not only Ozzie’s partner partner, but also business partner.
We’ve never seen Ozzie spoil him directly. It might be speculated that’s the case since Ozzie is a King in Hell and all and with his fancy palace and probably being the leading adult toy manufacturer, but we never see him actively spoil Fizz like a sugardaddy does for a sugarbaby so it’s never confirmed.
It’s not ‘Daddy give me your card so I can buy some milk today.’, it was ‘I’ll get some milk today while I’m out.’
Ya’ll seeing things that aren’t in the show.
Twink boyfriend and strong boyfriend dynamic is fetishsizing gay men.
Oh no, it’s like character dynamics have tropes in fiction. I’m sure you’ve seen those posts floating around with the ‘draw your faves or your characters here’ dynamic templates.
The angry gremlin and the optimistic one, or the nerdy one and the jock, or the emo one and the optimistic one, or the short tempered one and the ray of sunshine….etc.
This…is nothing more than that. A dynamic trope.
The feminine one and the masculine one.
Even with that, it’s also obvious that Ozzie has feminine traits too. Guy wears a mini skirt, wears high heels and that high pitched ‘Fizzieeeee’ he let out in S2E6 is everything. So they don’t fall completely in that dynamic trope. But still. It’s fiction. It’s going to rely on tropes to connect easier with the audience. Writing 101.
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In conclusion, these points are clearly made to nitpick on the show and its creator because hating on a thing is apparently still a whole separate fandom branch these days.
I'm also going to leave this really good video by Georgia Dow, who analyses fictional characters from a psychology standpoint.
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art3misg33k · 9 months ago
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i see ur most recent post and obviously i have to ask abt trent
My favorite character right out the gate lets go!!
(Ok wow this got sooo long I am sorry)
Starting with my personal takes & headcanons Trent is so nonbinary to me. They give such vibes of being like “idk man I’m just existing” as well as at first thinking they just really didn’t care about gendered stuff bc society is stupid about it but then realized just how deep those feelings were. I also love just any headcanon of Trent not being cis in general. The gender queer vibes are so strong with that one. In terms of sexuality I’m really not sure? I think they’re to multiple genders but idk in what way. Bi, Pan, and Unlabeled are the ones I’m stuck between.
On a slightly more analytical note in I think in Island they are well showcased as a nice chill person but also having the capacity to stand their ground and be intimidating (that one scene with Cody).
I don’t think they’re really good with social queues and may be a bit gullible seeing how things went down with Heather. On the outside has that mysterious energy but can be a real goober when you get to know them. Insane silliness potential that was wasted in my opinion.
Crossing into the semi-headcanon but also canon implied type stuff is their neurodivergence. In TDA it’s obvious that Trent has some neurodivergent tendencies. I personally think OCD and autism. I hate the way it was handled, not because they gave Trent these traits in the first place but how they framed them as a crazy person. That treatment was definitely very damaging to Trent and most likely made them go to heavily masking, even more so than before. Being pitied so much also felt incredibly frustrating to them.
The way that Trent was launched into fame right after a messy breakup on international television definitely made things worse. They seemed like they were thriving while the band was together but in reality they were only being seen for their music and not who they really are, pointedly ignoring their neurodivergence, flaws or any wrongdoing on their part. It hurt seeing how they were treated so horribly when it came to their mental health but as soon as they started singing they were suddenly this sweet, emotional, amazing guy.
And in terms of my headcanon they were also dealing with a ton of dysphoria being seen a guy in the Drama Brothers because they were closeted. I personally think that they had only found out a couple of months before Island so they weren’t comfortable telling anybody yet. They felt like they could tell someone close like Gwen eventually but didn’t want to come out on tv so they said nothing. I think in the days between the finale and TDA Trent became afraid again not wanting to ruin things with Gwen in fear of her being upset that they wouldn’t be the cool talented boyfriend that she expected. On the Aftermath they didn’t really have anyone truly there for them only having those who pitied them or who thought they were an awful person, leaving them isolated not just about dysphoria but just their existence in general.
I do believe that between TDA and WT as well as onwards that Trent was able to build a genuine friendship with Justin, Harold, and Cody despite how messy things got with the band at times. Unintentionally they started unmasking a bit around them closer to when WT started and when they weren’t met with judgement (maybe a bit that was just genuine misunderstanding that got corrected but still) Trent was starting to more and more feel like they could be themself. (Back to more headcanony for a sec) After WT Trent came out to the three of them and was met with acceptance! From there Trent is able to progressively come out more and more from their shell and from the closet to more people!
Also hopefully patching things up and becoming friends with Gwen eventually but that’s just like a wish I have
I think I just unintentionally typed out a whole outline of what I think their life is instead of just my opinion on them in general but yeah.
Some random headcanons!!:
- (Stolen from Courtney-deserved-better) A lot of people think that Trent looks so cool and mysterious but in actuality they are usually just zoned out
- Biggest sensory issues are with sound. They’d go insane without headphones/earbuds bc the music is nice and their noise as opposed to how horribly loud life can be (Kinda projecting on this one but it makes sense for them so shhh)
- Listens to most genres but especially the ones within the general indie/alternative umbrella. A good amount of ppl think that they only listen to mainstream pop type stuff so when they’re with Trent and some darker/depressing type shit like CSH comes on from one of Trent’s playlists they are so surprised.
- Likes some of what the Drama Brothers made but a lot of their brand was pushed into them by producers and the whole band kinda hated how fake things felt at times. After WT they manage to get away from that company and the band gets a lot more creative freedom making what they want. (Also changing the band name eventually bc of Trent if we’re talking in a world with my nb headcanon. Not sure when or if Trent would publicly come out but if not before the name change then they all just make something up about rebranding)
About ships! - I personally love tons of td ships being a massive multi shipper, especially with characters that are my faves (With an exception of Raj I don’t rlly see him with anyone but Bowie). Gwent was the first ship I ever got into with Total Drama and it has a special place in my heart. It’s not my absolute favorite but I still love seeing them together and au’s where they actually work things out healthily during Action or where Action and or TD didn’t happen. I love a lot of other ones too like Trustin and Trody and a lot more! I think my favorite Trent ship may actually be Trenoah, it’s really my favorite rare pair. Ik they didn’t really interact but the POTENTIAL!! They would play off of each other so well and ahhh dude I think I’d need to make a separate post just taking about those two
And that’s the basics of my thoughts on Trent! (well maybe not the basics but trust me it’s not all that I have to say about them).
I think in the future I’ll make a post about what I think their potential backstory is bc I got carried away and didn’t rlly cover that here. @ashyjingles if you want me to @ you in that just let me know!
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laismoura-art · 1 month ago
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Bi parents (Hanzo and Harumi) and their pansexual son (Satoshi)
Hi Daisy!! Thanks for the ask!💕
Girl, this is a simple ask, but I'm gonna use it as an opportunity to brainstorm on a dynamic:
Hanzo and Harumi being divorced parents who are both in new relationships, and they all come together to raise Satoshi!
This turned into a loooooooooooong reading, so be warned and enjoy it!💕
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Now worry not about their divorce, Harumi and Hanzo were the best of friends before being a couple, and they found no trouble returning to this friendship!
They've always been very open and honest with each other, and even though it hurt to admit they weren't that much in synch, they managed to find a common ground. They would still live together, as roommates rather then couple, because they enjoyed each other's company, and it was good for Satoshi to have both his parents around!
They made sure to explain to Satoshi what the new nature of their relationship was, explaining that they still loved each other but weren't in love anymore, but their love for him remained very much the same!
Satoshi didn't take it well at first, for the first few months, he would wake up multiple times at night to check if both his parents were in their respective rooms and hadn't abandoned him in the middle of the night.
It was worse when one of them had to go on longer missions, Satoshi feared they wouldn't come back. Luckily, they can make frequent videocalls to keep the poor child up-to-date and reassured!
It was a long and hard work, but Satoshi had finally grown accustomed to his new reality, and after a year, Hanzo and Harumi prepared themselves to the next challenge: start dating again!
They started by preparing the ground for Satoshi, reassuring him that he was their great love and no one would even replace him, and that loving other people did not mean they stopped loving each other (they just shared a different kind of love) and finally, they taught him to be supportive and welcoming of their future dates!
Satoshi was very mature and understanding, and when his mother went on her first date, both he and Hanzo cheered her up the whole time! When she returned home, they were both waiting for her to tell them how it went. She said it was nice, but not quite what she was looking for.
The same happened to Hanzo when he first attempted, "Nice, but not what I'm looking for."
Some time passed by, and suddenly, the house had FIVE other members living in it!
And these were no ordinary people, oh no! They were former Lin Kuei warriors who escaped their abusive clan and found themselves under Hanzo and Harumi's protection!
There was Bi-Han, the older brother. Kuai Liang and Lisa Liang, twins and Bi-Han’s younger brothers. Tomas Vrbada and Cyrax, adoptive brother and sister of the three other siblings. Quite the group and all living under Harumi and Hanzo's roof!
The former couple feared having this many adults around would make Satoshi uncomfortable, but the boy felt the very opposite!
He liked that the Sub-Zero family treated him like a young man! And though none of them quite knew how to behave around a child, they sure made an effort, and the results tended to be... quite entertaining!
Though Satoshi liked all Sub-Zero siblings, his favourite sibling, to everyone's surprise, was Bi-Han! The boy loved having his "Uncle Bee" around!
Hanzo's favourite sibling, however, turned out to be Kuai Liang. It was Kuai who encouraged the siblings to rebel and flee. It's safe to say that, without him, they would've never left the Lin Kuei.
It was Kuai's rebellious nature that drove Hanzo to him, firstly platonically, Hanzo liked fo surrounding himself with brave people! But not so long after, Hanzo would be driven to Kuai in other ways...
Hanzo has always been known to be a very blunt person who always spoke his mind, so as soon as his feelings for Kuai became clear to him, he decided to act on them!
He and Harumi had it setled that the first step for dating attempts would be telling each other and Satoshi! Supposedly, Hanzo should tell them about his date. The family's approval is always a good sign!
He did not need to say anything but Kuai Liang's name to get Harumi and Satoshi's immediate approval!
To Hanzo's relief (and no one's surprise), Kuai very much reciprocated his feelings and was more than open to the idea of dating! And as it would be Kuai's first time dating, everyone in the house set themselves into motion to make sure this date was a success!
From Harumi's side, she became fast friends with Bi-Han and Tomas and best friends with Cyrax.
Lisa, on the other hand, was hard to approach. It wasn't that she didn't want to make friends, she did! But growing up as a woman in the Lin Kuei, she always had to prove herself deserving of her place in the clan. If she ever presented herself as weak or useless, she would be discarded.
And though the Shirai-Hasashi family was good to her, that old fear that haunted her her entire life would require time and effort to let go.
And time and effort were exactly what Harumi offered her!
With Harumi, Lisa finally felt she could lift a gigantic weight off her shoulders. She finally felt like she could relax and act more like herself, not like the version that was expected of her.
Lisa felt free around Harumi, and a feeling so good led to other feelings...
Lisa was that one who asked Harumi out! But before she did so, she went to Hanzo and Satoshi.
She wanted them to know, to understand the depth of her feelings, and trust she would be as careful with Harumi's heart, as Harumi had been with hers.
Satoshi and his father paid close attention to everything she had to say, even though they had already made up their minds around the first sentence!
They gave her tips and supported her through every step of the way, and by the end of the week, Harumi and Lisa were the house's brand new couple!
Bi-Han made sure to inform everyone that Harumi was his favourite in-law, lol!
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With such a big and diverse family, Satoshi grew up learning a lot about many things, and one of these many things was sexuality.
And how could he not? His first parents are bisexual. His second dad, too, and also demiace. His second mom is lesbian. Uncle Bee is demiaro and ace (his girlfriend Sareena is ace too). And his Auntie Cyrax is a trans woman.
He has always known about different sexualities. But the one member of his family whose sexuality always had him fascinated was his Uncle Tomas.
Tomas is Pansexual.
Satoshi knew he wasn't supposed to have a favourite sexuality, but for some reason, he had. He always liked pansexuality better.
As a kid, he thought it was because the colours of the flag matched his four parents. Now older and wiser, he realised, though it was a nice coincidence, it wasn't quite the reason.
One day, he finally approached his Uncle Tomas and asked him more about the sexuality. Through this talk, he could, for once, tell why he liked pansexualily so much:
It felt fitting.
And he realised he, Satoshi, was pansexual, just like his Uncle Tomas!
Knowing who he was and that he had the support of his family gave him the confidence to put himself out there when the time for dating came!
He allowed himself to have all types of crushes and explore. He had dates here and there, but he was yet to find someone who would make him fall in love!
His family assured him he only needed to be patient. Love is patient, so he should be too.
Satoshi listened to all the advice and said and done it. Time has passed, and when he least expected, he fell in love!
@mikka-minns @thedragonholder @madamealtruist @running-with-the-feels y'all want some AU?👀💕
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stagefoureddiediaz · 3 months ago
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I still think Tommy won’t be shown much at all. There really is no need. Eddie can express his jealously with little bitchy comments and facial expressions.
I’m not sure. I don’t think we’ll get a huge amount of Tommy but I do think we’ll see him fairly often - for a couple of reasons - yes you can do a fair amount of the work via exposition (such as buck telling Eddie he’s not free because he has a date with Tommy etc etc) but you do also need to establish things visually.
We need to be shown Tommy visually present to heighten the distance - to show him coming between buck and Eddie and interrupting their dynamic. You can’t build drama and tension if you don’t show it. It’s far more powerful if we’re shown Eddie alone while buck is with Tommy rather than it just being talked about.
The other aspect of this is the fact Tommy is Eddie lite and the viewer needs to be shown more of that - it was a key part of the bi buck storyline - his confused feelings - buck misunderstanding the assignment. Showing Tommy with buck allows the viewer to also be shown Eddie and buck which allows the differences in their dynamics to be made explicit.
The show spent all of s7 putting buck front and centre in Eddie and Christopher’s life - paralleling him with Shannon and baking it perfectly clear the three of them have a family dynamic going on. S7 also spent a lot of time putting Eddie into the middle of the buck and Tommy narrative - he’s literally always there even when he’s not. Showing buck and Tommy interacting allows that second aspect especially to be developed further - Eddie always being there even when he’s not is something you can’t establish if Tommy isn’t seen with buck. And that creates tension in the relationship that you can only achieve by giving him some screen time.
Personally I think there are lots of red flags that the show has deliberately had Tommy waving around and I expect those to be developed further. I think he’s manipulative and controlling and I think we’ll see that coercive control explored a bit because it is in part something Gerrard does as well and Tommy was under Gerrards captaincy for a good period of time. Buck struggling under Gerrard as captain plays into this as well and the show likes to use mirrors and juxtapositions - buck has become the buck he is today under the guiding influence of bobby - his captain (and dad) and paralleling Tommy becoming who he is today because he was under Gerrard makes sense and established the ultimate incompatibility of buck and Tommy - because Buck struggling with Gerrard and the way he behaves and treats people means he will struggle with Tommy too because those behaviours are also in Tommy. There’s a reason why we’ve had next to zero accountability from Tommy for his past behaviours - which would’ve been super easy to do without taking up much screen time. It’s because it’s still relevant and important to Tommys arc as a plot device. This arc for buck is seemingly about nature v nurture and how nurture is more important than nature. buck is who he is because of Maddie and then bobby (and hen and Chim and Eddie as well but they’re not his main influences) and they’re nurturing of him, not because of nature - of his parents (this is a very nuanced thing and broad stroking it here). Tommy has stated he had a less than stellar father and was then nurtured by Gerrard and that has made him who he is. Whilst being under bobby for a bit and whomever he’s been captained by since will have in theory developed him further and lessened those influences of G and his father (and likely his superior officers in the military as well who were probably of the Gerrard ilk), it’s not going to have undone it completely.
I’m not saying we’ll be seeing him every episode in 8a or anything, but I do expect him to get several minutes of screen time over multiple scenes when he is in episodes because it’s important for bucks storyline and development - and that is what we have to remember and prepare for.
I did not mean to end up with an essay about Tommy and his red flags but here we are!! Hope it makes sense and is interesting
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musicalmoritz · 3 months ago
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this gonna be a weird question but ever since i have know Aoinene. I have always found a consistent theme of Aoi being a lesbian. While it cool, interesting and all, it hard to found anything canonically to use to prove the interpretation beyond "it just a vibe" . It doesnt interfer with the shipping experience but it still an interesting HC that i would love to found some canon material to build on.
I’m so glad you asked this, I’ve been trying to find a way to talk about my feelings on the lesbian Aoi headcanon for a while now. I’ve written it in my own fics a lot but I have some issues with the way people treat it so I’d like to make this a more nuanced discussion
First off, where does it come from? To answer that question you have to keep in mind that as the manga chapters were being released, fans had no idea where AidaIro planned to go with Aoi and Akane’s relationship beyond what they could infer. While it seems obvious in hindsight that Aoi always liked Akane, a lot of lesbian readers overlooked those hints because they were able to relate to being pursued by a relentless man that they didn’t want. They found comfort in Aoi’s character because her perceived disinterest in Akane was something they could connect to their own experiences with their male best friends falling for them
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Then we have this scene, which is a whole rollercoaster in and of itself. At this point in the manga, fans didn’t know Aoi was faking her personality. She only existed as Nene’s popular best friend, the girl with the rumors. And, of course, the girl who kept rejecting Akane. Aoi and Nene seemed to have a very close friendship, so when this scene came out, many readers jumped to the conclusion that Aoi planned to confess to Nene. This, coupled with her constant rejection of Akane, led many fans to believe Aoi was a lesbian. Not just as a cool headcanon, but as an actual theory. To this day some fans still call her queercoded, and that’s where I have a bit of an issue with the headcanon
Because, despite all of this, Aoi isn’t a lesbian in canon. She’s not even coded to be one. In fact her and Akane’s characters aren’t able to develop without each other. Some fans chalk this up to bad writing or lesbiphobia, stating that Aoi never showed interest in Akane up until chapter 69, but this simply isn’t true. There were numerous hints that Aoi liked Akane back, since his feelings for her were first introduced. She’s shown to be absolutely devastated at the possibility of him dating someone else, and in the Clock Keepers arc we see that she’s been encouraging his pursuit of her this whole time. Fans may not like them, but it’s impossible to deny they’ve been set up since the beginning of the manga- on both sides
However, if you were to call Aoi sapphic coded/bi coded in canon, you wouldn’t be far off. In the Hanako-Kun Of Magic au, Mei fell in love with Aoi through a spell. After the spell wore off, they were confirmed to still hang out. They hang out so frequently, that it makes Mei’s little sister jealous because Aoi is stealing all her attention
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It wouldn’t be a reach to assume they’re dating in this au, which would make Aoi bi or bi-coded in canon (though it’s very up to interpretation so I wouldn’t say she’s as strongly bi-coded as Kou or even Nene). It rubs me the wrong way when people discuss her potential queercoding and entirely ignore her feelings for Akane just because they don’t like the ship, it feels biphobic. It’s also been implied that Aoi has liked men (or people in general) other than Akane, he joins school clubs based on whoever her current type is
Canon aside though, I’d like to talk about why people like the lesbian Aoi headcanon. Namely, why I still like it in fanon despite feeling that it has a very weak basis in canon. Because for some fans, Aoi’s true personality reveal only made their love of the lesbian Aoi headcanon stronger
Remember how I said fans overlooked Aoi’s feelings for Akane because they projected onto her? I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with that as long as they aren’t bringing their bias into analyses. I’ve read many Aoi queercoding analyses where the creator completely ignores Aoi’s attraction to men in canon due to their own projection, and I hate to say it but that is a bad way to analyze. I’ve mentioned before that I strongly relate to Nene’s shallow crushes on men because they remind me of my own experiences with comphet, but I would never call Nene lesbian coded because that would ignore her entire arc with Hanako. Project onto characters all you want but leave that out of your analyses
Anyways, the reveal that Aoi had been faking her personality only gave the lesbian Aoi headcanon more fuel. At this point in the manga, fans were already fully convinced that Aoi was a lesbian…so to find out the pretty popular girl was hiding her true self from the world?? I mean that sounds queercoded as hell. And I won’t lie, I relate to that a lot too. The need to hide who you really are is a nearly universal queer experience, so pretty much any character that has that storyline is going to hit home for a lot of queer readers. That same trope also plays into Mitsuba’s queercoding, so yeah. Despite all the romance stuff with Akane that happened in those chapters, the big takeaway for lesbian Aoi truthers was that Aoi had been hiding a part of herself that the world would shame her for
This is furthered by her relationship with femininity. Aoi plays the role of the ideal popular girl, a common archetype in media. These girls are feminine, passive, kind, humble, and all the boys love them. That is the image Aoi presents to the rest of the school. However, the real Aoi is nothing like that. I wouldn’t go as far as to call her masculine, but she doesn’t act like the poster child for femininity when she’s being her true self. She’s bitter, arrogant, spiteful, and she only really cares about two people. Lesbians tend to have a very complicated relationship with femininity, because heteronormativity asserts that the defining trait of being a woman is your relationship to a man. As a woman, you are someone’s wife, daughter, mother, sister. So when a woman has no interest in men, she loses a core part of her “femininity.” Some lesbians choose to embrace this, they have no interest in femininity so they perform whatever gender presentation they want. Other lesbians reclaim femininity as something defined by themselves, not society. So when lesbians see a character faking her personality to conform to the societal expectations for her gender…oops she’s one of us now lol. This is also why the transmasc Aoi headcanon is popular, though I won’t be getting into that today
There are more simplistic reasons people like the lesbian Aoi headcanon. It fits a trope, the popular girl who’s pressured to be perfect is secretly a lesbian. Then she falls for her fun and quirky bisexual best friend. Unfortunately this is where the headcanon gets very boiled down, people want Aoi to be something that she’s not in canon. They want her to be a trope rather than her own, unique character. The aesthetic girlboss lesbian. She hates Akane and has a huge crush on Nene, maybe some mommy issues and that’s all there is to her. I don’t like these type of headcanons very much, they reduce queerness to an aesthetic rather than an experience. As I mentioned, the lesbian Aoi headcanon does have potential for fanon content, but some fans sadly reduce it to a stereotype
I’ve written both bisexual and lesbian Aoi, and I think they both have their perks. Lesbian Aoi requires a bit of stretching/rewriting of canon, which can be fun but it has to be handled very carefully. Otherwise you get fics that villainize Akane and ignore Aoi and Nene’s complexities. It’s perfectly fine to project onto a character and headcanon them a certain way for comfort, but in terms of characterization I would recommend people try to look past those biases when they’re writing analyses. Fanfic is a bit different bcuz that depends on whether or not you’re trying to stay in character lol, this might be controversial but some writers just don’t care and that’s fine too. They’re just writing it for fun, it doesn’t have to be that serious. Still, I would like to see more fics that keep Aoi and Nene closer to canon (they absolutely exist dw)
The reason I hesitated for so long to address this headcanon is because I wanted to find a way to talk about it sensitively. Queer fans, especially lesbians, already get a lot of flack for their headcanons and I didn’t want to make it seem like I was invalidating anyone’s experiences. If the lesbian Aoi headcanon brings you comfort then, yes, Aoi can absolutely be a lesbian. Fandom is about fan enjoyment, not authorial intent, so headcanon the characters however you want. Just don’t push those headcanons into others, and try to at least be aware of what’s going on in canon. And again, don’t write an analysis if you’re going to be biased. A better way to do it would be something like “I recognize that AidaIro didn’t go this route but it would’ve been interesting if they made Aoi a lesbian.” An analysis like that might have some weight to it!! Aoi and Akane are a super cute ship, but another straight relationship is nothing revolutionary in fiction. However, canon lesbians in a shonen series?? That’s something you don’t see every day. People have valid reasons for wishing Aoi had been written differently, I just wish they would accept that she didn’t get written that way rather than ignoring canon
Sorry if this isn’t what you were expecting, I hope I explained all sides of the headcanon well enough. Tbh a lot of it is just “vibes” but once you look past the surface, it goes a lot deeper. I also want to clarify that Aoi faking her personality reading as queercoding could absolutely work with her being bi too, bisexuals also have to hide a part of themselves and that’s something other lgbtq+ individuals often overlook. The reason it reads specifically as lesbian coding to some fans is because of her projection of femininity being fake so, by extension, her encouragement of the men who pursue her must be too. That’s obviously not canon but some fans believe it would’ve been a cool route to go. Okay that’s it I think I covered everything lol
Thanks again for the ask, I’m glad I finally got the opportunity to talk abt this <3
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epiphainie · 6 months ago
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hi! anon about buck and eddie’s facial expressions back here. I agree with everything you said. Particularly this part:
“If you look at it like it's subtext that is meant to one day come to surface, as some sort of proof that this is not the actual story, you're either too deep in your world that you treat these characters like they have agencies and thoughts and feelings and are not, yknow, fictional - or that actors are making the conscious choice to layer their performances with breadcrumbs for a plot that doesn't exist at the time.”
I think so many people fall into this trap of consistently looking for subtext in their words, expressions, and body language because they’ve convinced themselves that buddie is happening and it is in the words and it is exactly what the writers are writing towards. I think this belief has gotten worse/stronger since bi buck because people have taken on the assumption that bi Buck happened as the first step in making buddie happen. That it would not have happened if buddie wasn’t the plan. Or that, if they can make bi Buck happen, surely they can make queer eddie happen, and by proxy, buddie. (I think this is one of the reasons they especially don’t like tommy. because “why is he here when buddie is supposed to be canon”). I largely disagree with that line of thinking and I also think with what we’ve been hearing in the interviews from the actors and Tim, Im not sure how people are clinging so tightly onto those beliefs.
I also think people forget to consider that there’s a general audience out here who are NOT there to read subtext within expressions and words, especially not in an network procedural. They’re going to take what’s being said at face value unless it is explicitly identified that someone may have *other* intentions through musical cues, obvious dialogue, expressions that don’t need to be paused on, etc.
Another thing I wanted to talk about and sorry to bombard you, is long term couple and the endgame conversation. I know endgame conversations aren’t fruitful because the shows still ongoing and external factors can affect situations, but when I look at buck and tommy and what they’ve set up with them, and with what I hope they can do in season 8, I can see them being “endgame” in the same regard as the other solidified couples on the show. Even with those couples we don’t necessarily know if they’re endgame since the show is still going and things could change, but in the world of the show, in the writing of the show, and in our minds, those couples are endgame and are each others other half. Like Maddie and Chim are it. Athena and Bobby are it. Hen and Karen are it. Just like that, I think Buck and Tommy could be it too, in the sense of the writing and not considering external, factors out of creative control.
I think the endgame conversation is different for shows like greys anatomy for instance where there was a revolving door of LI and couples and characters and you just never knew what you were going to get and where you were going. 911 is so different in that we’ve been with the same people since the very beginning and the three main couples have also been with each other since the very beginning. The only two characters who’ve had some what of a revolving door of LIs are buck and eddie, buck more so than eddie. Now going into the 8th season of the show, they’ve found someone for buck who feels largely different than his past LI in many ways and i think if it was earlier on in the shows run, I might be more hesitant to say they could easily be long term and in the running for endgame, but because we’re on s8, 911 is not cheap to make, the stories are seemingly running out, actors may want to move, etc etc, I think what they’ve done with tommy or tried to do with tommy is create a LI and by proxy a relationship that has the same lasting power as the already established relationships on the show. A relationship you can hopefully by the end of s8, see alongside the others, and think yeah this is just as good and believable as the others, albeit in their own unique ways!
Hi anon!
You're not bombarding me, don't worry. Sorry I'll keep this one short as I touched a lot of the points you make here in a previous ask about BuckTommy's potential. Like you said, I find endgame talks very moot but BuckTommy has so much potential that none of Buck's or Eddie's previous love interests had. I think the biggest fail of all of these relationships was how hard it was to bring these women into the fold of the main plot and the group dynamic. Tommy already has so many established relationships with the characters. As a first responder, and specifically air op, he could open up the plot to so many new emergencies. And like I said, they laid the foundation for the romance so well that if they treat them with care in s8 like they did with Madney in s2, at the end of the season, they could make them feel as established as those relationships regardless of endgame conversation. So if they break it in s8, it wouldn't be because of a lack of potential but because a lack of execution imo.
And I totally agree with your point about the general audience. There are some shows that require the audience to look close, to interpret themes and events differently than what has been presented (one of my favorite shows, Black Sails for example, is brilliant at this). 9-1-1 is not that. This is not a diss or me bashing the show, it's just basic recognition of what type of media we're consuming here.
Thanks for your asks!
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louisisalarrie · 7 months ago
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How can there be a bbg ending? Like Louis just says ‘oh btw he’s not mine’
if u are a PR member from Louis’ team, please listen carefully, because there are a couple of ways to end it, and I will be expecting my pay check asap thank youuuuuu.
Simon Jones, or whoever you may be, welcome to the show!
(these are the sad endings where we feel bad for Louis and boost his image to the gp as a good guy):
1. fight ending in paternity test (a number of different arguments could be used for this) and then bam turns out B has been using him for money like her ex said she would do to Louis and slept with multiple people around that time. Now, you may be thinking “oh but L has publicly treated this kid like his own and he’s a nice guy surely he’d still want to be in this kid’s life” and Louis would make a statement like “if F wants me to be there still as a person in his life I will be but that’s up to him. Please respect their privacy” but we never end up seeing any more photos of them etc., so it’s essentially over. Oldest trick in the book. He’ll come out looking squeaky clean. I kinda think that’s why they didn’t do a paternity test sooner. It’s the last trick up their sleeve to end it when they were ready.
2. Louis is like “I’ve known for a while he’s not mine, but I didn’t want to announce to the world because I still care about him and it would cause a fiasco for him and B from the fans, but B and I think it’s time and I am going to take a step back from his life to not put him in the spotlight any further. Pls respect their privacy” so he looks like he’s lied for a little bit, but “known for a while” would be post AOTV, and he was just worried about his kid dealing with the media and fans and the onslaught that would bring. What a good and caring guy who’s looking out for a kid that’s not even his! Wow.
Those are just 2 that come to the top of my head. There would need to be further planning and more detail, but you get the gist. Those 2 remove his paternity completely. NOW these theories also heavily depend on the way larry wanna come out. Is it gonna be a shock tell all? Because in that case, the above doesn’t matter. Or is it going to be coming out separately and then getting together? Is it going to be coming out together and saying it’s a new thing and they “reconnected”? Well, that I don’t know. But the two above still confirm that Louis is, or was, into women and didn’t, or still doesn’t, define himself as gay. So that’s also a spanner in the works which again, I don’t entirely know the identity he aligns with, but I lean towards gay over ever being bi etc. because of his interactions with women.
So if we want to look at ways where he looks like the good guy (also not sad in a club but I guess maybe a bit??) and entirely remove him from ever being near a vagina, this is my main one:
1. Louis was a surrogate for B at the time as she is a close friend and was in a space to have a baby and he was happy to do it because he loves kids and wanted one of his own but he’s gay so he can’t, so it worked out well. The media took things out of perspective and blew it up into something different than what it was, but they ran with it because he wasn’t ready to come out. And wow… what a generous and loving guy! He loves that kid and he’s still a dad, he’s lied to us but it’s just because he was scared to come out, that’s truly both a heartbreaking and heartwarming story. (The timeline of bbg is messy as it is, so this would need some refining to work without looking suspicious).
So, how do we make him not a dad and ALSO never been into women? Well… a tell all is gonna be the best way to do this, exposing the stunts. But legally, a huge process (unless they say fuck it and cop whatever the repercussions may be). But if we’re doing a slow coming out, I think he’s gonna kind of have to be F’s dad unless it’s a paternity test or a tell all. He’s in too deep with AOTV and the Instagram posts and his family and shit. I don’t think we can have 100% gay and 100% not a dad without it being truly bizarre for the gp to swallow.
Idk im very tired but you can also go to my bbg tag and just have a sift through where I talk about this a bit more in depth.
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novasillies · 23 days ago
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most of us are mostly upset about the shitty biphobic stereotypes they used as an excuse for the breakup and how sudden and badly written it was. if more time than 3 minutes was spent on the breakup and it was for a non-biphobic reason, i'd still be sad, but i'd be ultimately fine about it. we all knew the chances of them being endgame were slim. we just didn't think they'd treat the story and its fans with this much disrespect.
(Sorry this answer got so rambly I kept thinking of stuff to say. I swear I’m not coming for ur throat or anything I just talk A LOT <333)
I’m gonna be so real I don’t think they expected bucktommy to have like hardcore fans. They really had no consistency with the way they wrote those two and I would not be surprised if they wrote Tommys scenes this season assuming everyone would not care about any part of it besides buck alone rather than them as a couple, especially since they cut any interactions between tommy and the rest of the cast. He really was always just a plot device, but Tim Minear probs should’ve expected this fanbase to cling onto a mlm couple.
The writing on this show has never been particularly considerate of the fans though. If I liked tommy I’d probs be pissed as hell too cause even I didn’t understand what was going on in that breakup scene (it really was SO SOOO rushed. Like gave me actual whiplash (although the second buck asked him to move in I knew they were done)). But yk. It is what it is. This show is terribly written
I rlly don’t get how it was biphobic though? Is it because of the firsts ≠ lasts thing?? Idk I feel like buck does deserve to explore himself considering how new this really is for him. There’s always a chance they could reconnect later on (I do hate hate hate tommy though sorry not sorry. And I don’t think Oliver stark likes LFJ too much either). It should’ve been his choice though. It would’ve been better if buck had broken it off or if it was an actual discussion rather than tommy implying he was breaking up with him and buck having to ask. But, then again, the way I’ve been watching it, that was incredibly in-character for the both of them. It just felt mean
I think they broke up more because Tommy has issues than because the showrunners think that bi people can’t commit or something (at least that’s what I think the biphobic angle could be?). The only person buck ever did really commit to romantically was Abby and well…! But yeah it’s rare for people to find their forever with their first especially in terms of queer relationships (that doesn’t negate how deeply vital this relationship is, was, and will be for buck. First queer loves (even if he couldn’t say the word) really do stick. I know that very well). I think it was an incredibly weak reason to break up in-universe but hey-ho.
I do hope they treat bucks next LI more like a real character, whether they bring in someone new or old. And I hope they let buck fucking breathe before they do because damn. Can we give HIM a solo self-discovery/self-love arc?? Please????
Aside from Taylor, all of his LIs just kind of been Buck’s Partner and that was all they did. I don’t think the lack of care and weak excuses for a breakup is a Tommy thing or a biphobia thing. These shows get their views from drama! That’s the genre! It’ll be interesting to see if there’s a dip in viewership after this though. You bucktommys are devoted
Here’s to getting better, more considerate writing in the coming episodes (I am truly begging)!!!!
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youre-amazing-say-it · 2 years ago
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Safety Plan
Pairing: Chris Evans x Daughter!reader, Scott Evans x niece!reader
Warning: talks of suicide, Depression, Suicidal Thoughts, therapy, 
Summary: The reader has to come up with a safety plan and tells her dad and uncle that they are her two people to her support people she would turn to. 
Taglist: @winter-soldier-vibes  @chrisevansdaughter @dumb-fawkin-bitch @slutfortaylorswiftandzendaya @scarlettproof @ella-whyte @prettysbliss @bitchy-bi-trash @transparentweaselpartyeagle @dandelion-delusion @purplekitten30 @sky-3 @venusssflytraps @sweetpeterparker​ 
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“DAD!!! I’m Home!” you said as you walked into your Boston home. Dodgers pitter-patter could be heard on the wood floor as you saw him approach you. “Hey buddy, look at what I got you!” you said as you put the Puppaccino in front of his face. You just got back from therapy, and you always treat yourself after every session. And you treat Dodger for being your unofficial emotional support dog. 
You looked up as you heard your dad's voice echo through the house. “Seriously, Y/n! You know those aren't good for him.” Chris said as he hurried down the stairs and pulled Dodger away from the cup, leading him towards the water bowl to help Dodger process the whipped cream. “But he deserves it; he does a lot for this family and me,” you said as you trailed behind him. “We have treats at home for him to munch on, not this sugar.” 
“Okay, okay, sorry, Dad,”  you said as you put your Starbucks drink on the counter. You went to the pantry and grabbed a bag of your favorite chips. “So, how was it?” Chris asked as he looked at you. Chris was very respectful when it came to your session. Even though you were still a minor, he never asked your therapist what happened in the sessions because it was private. You opened up about your depression a couple of months ago, which is why you went.
“It was okay,” you said as you shrugged your shoulders. “we made something today called a safety plan.” you set the bag of Y/F/S on the counter and started munching. Chris looked at you and tilted his head. “What's that?” he said as he looked at you. You took a deep breath before continuing. “It's not a big deal as it is, but just if I ever feel the ‘bad thoughts’ come through, it's what I would do, so I don't listen to them,” you said casually. It wasn't a big deal to you, but to your dad, it was a different story. 
Chris took a second to take this information in. Of course, he didn't want to hear this his kid was thinking about ending their life. And the fact that it wasn't a big deal to them as well as alarming. “Okay,” he said as he sat on the stool next to you. “And what do you do during ‘this’?” Chris asked, not sure how to explain it. “Well,” you said as you took a chip into your mouth, “I would first make sure I'm in a safe space, if not get to one. Then I would call you or Scotty if you don't answer. And if neither of you answers, I will text some of my close friends. And basically, you guys would help me talk and remain calm. But as I said, I haven't gotten to that point yet so there is nothing to worry about,” you stated. 
“Are you worried about these thoughts?” Chris asked in a quiet voice. “I mean a little, but also I feel I’m in good hands if I ever get in that situation. I know you and Scott have my back if I ever get in that place. I have an amazing family that I know is there for me.” you said as you rested your head on your dad's shoulder.
“Yeah, we are!” You heard at the front door. You looked up to see your Uncle Scott come in with a bag of your favorite food. “You told him, I assume?” he said as he started to unpack the bag. “Told me what?” Chris asked with a confused face. You looked at him annoyed, “What I just told you, doofus,” you spoke as you got up to give your Uncle Scott a hug. 
“Wait how did Scott know about this before me?” Chris spoke. “He called while I was driving back from therapy, and he had a right to know that if I want to die I will call him,” you stated calmly. The men gave you a look that you know all too well. The look that said ‘you shouldn't be joking about it’. “Hey it's the truth, isn't it?” you continued as you got ready to help with dinner. “I mean yes, but-” Chris started. 
“But it shouldn't be something you should be taken lightly. We love you a lot Y/n and hearing you say stuff like that hurts our hearts. You know we are always,” Scott said as he pulled you into a fight hug and kissed your head, “ALWAYS here for you. Got it toots?” you sighed and smiled against your uncle. “Got it, Boss,” you said with a fake smile and a salute. The boys could tell you were tired of the conversation, so Chris quickly switched it with a clap of his hand. 
“So, what's for dinner?” He used and he came around to help you guys. “Y/n favorite because I have to spoil my niece,” Scott stated. Chris placed his hand on his brother's shoulder and tapped his shoulder twice, the brother's way of saying ‘give me some alone time’. Scott excused himself to use the restroom, leaving Chris and Y/n alone once again. 
“I'm proud of you for going to therapy and opening up about this bubs,” Chris stated as he wrapped his arm around you as you leaned your head against his chest. “Thanks, dad. I know you are always here for me,” you said into his chest. You heard a bark as you both looked down to see Dodger wagging his tail at you. Chris let out his hearty laugh as he crouched down and rubbed dodgers fur, making the dog extra happy. “Of course, you are always here to you bubs,” he said. 
It's moments like these that make you love your family.
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buddiebeginz · 8 months ago
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I just want to say if you're following me for 911/Buddie I don't plan on posting much Buck/Tommy stuff. This isn't anything against Buck or what's going on with his story right now. I've wrote posts myself talking about how I know that Buck having this journey and this relationship with Tommy before Eddie is important. Still I'm not a multishipper I'm here for Buddie first and foremost and I want to see the guys end up together eventually.
The issues I have with Buck/Tommy and the reason I plan on avoiding them isn't even really a shipping one so much as it's how parts of fandom are responding to them. It's literally only been a few days and already I've seen tons of posts, comments, tweets, fanfiction, tiktoks, etc being anti Buddie. I just came across a fic last night that was about how Eddie treated Buck awful (used him for sex) and then Tommy came along to be the best boyfriend ever.
I'm just not here for the way people are treating Buddie and Eddie. I also don't like how people keep saying Buck's story is more important than Buddie. All of it is important. Buck, Eddie, Buddie, Buddie and Chris (as a family) all of their stories and what they mean for incredibly needed lgbtq represention are important.
I'm so thankful that 911 is doing a bi storyline with a character like Buck (one I relate to a lot) but the fact that I still want to see them follow through and extend that to Eddie and Buddie doesn't mean I'm trying to take anything away from Buck's journey.
We've never really had a same sex slow burn story like this and especially not with characters like Buck and Eddie. Older queer characters who are figuring out their sexuality later in life. Who are also raising a son together. Who don't fit into some preconceived mold of what it means to be queer. Having Buddie be canon would be groundbreaking it’s own way and if they follow through on this story I believe it has the power to really change media in some ways. I think them doing Buck's coming out storyline is already doing that. It is basically unheard of for a primetime show like 911, with a character like Buck who was basically written to appeal to straight men and women to now come out so late in the shows run. The show is taking a risk and will be taking an even bigger one to make Buddie happen but that's why they need to follow through on it.
I'm not going to apologize for wanting all of the stuff we've been hoping and begging the show runners and networks to give us for 6 seasons. It is possible to care about more than one thing. I can wholeheartedly love and relate to and support Buck's journey while still wanting to see Buck and Eddie together and definitely still want to see Eddie's coming out story too.
I'm also tired of seeing people outside of the Buddie fandom say Buck and Eddie are too good of friends to "ruin" with making into a couple. That Buck and Tommy should be endgame so Buck and Eddie can stay friends. Fact is Buck and Eddie have never been just friends. If you look at how Hen and Chim and Athena and Hen and any other friendship on the show is they're not written the same at all. They don't have the same kind of depth and definitely don't have the same romantic and sometimes sexual overtones that Buddie's does. We obviously need more male friendships in media but Buddie isn't about two guys who are just friends, it's about two men who have loved and supported one another for six years and we're about to watch that love turn into something even more profound in the coming seasons.
So yeah I probably won't post much about Tommy but if I do I'll try and tag anything as b*ck t*mmy for bl. The other reason I probably won't post about them is that it feels like every space in our fandom is getting swallowed up by this ship. It's just frustrating when all of the tags are full of Buck/Tommy.
I'm not trying to hate on people who ship them. I think everyone should be able to multi ship if they want or just ship whatever ships they like. I've been hated on many times for ships I like. But I do think those of us who just love Buddie shouldn't have to see Buck/Tommy 24/7 and definitely shouldn't have to see anti Buddie stuff.
I also want to say don't let anyone make you feel like shit if you're not super into Buck/Tommy. You can still love Buck and support him without gushing over him in a relationship with someone else. I hate when fandoms get this crowd mentality where if you think any differently you're told you’re a bad person. Just remember that the story the show is telling is leading towards Buddie canon eventually. So people can be excited over Buck and Tommy for now if they want but it’ll be Buddie in the end.
Also if you have Buddie or Eddie gif requests please let me know. I really want to see Buddie and Eddie back in the tags.
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yourlocalxiaosimp · 2 months ago
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Hey idk if this is okay for me to do but I need someone to talk to and I feel like I can trust you, feel free to ignore this if you’re uncomfortable.
I’m getting worried that my irl friends are starting to dislike me, they seem kind of distant and today they barely even talked to me, a couple didn’t talk to me at all. I’m pretty used to this happening, I finally make some friends but they have better friends than me or I do something wrong and we can’t be friends anymore. But I’m seriously tired of this, and it’s starting to get to me. I keep making them uncomfortable with my humor and overall actions. I want to change but I don’t know if that’s even healthy or if I even can, I have ADHD so it’s hard for me to make differences in what I do. My girlfriend even told me one of my friends “doesn’t know how to feel about me”.
Even though it wasn’t explicitly said she doesn’t like me, it’s basically the same thing in my case. I know I messed up and I don’t know how to fix it and I feel like such a shitty person for doing this to her. I even came out to my girlfriend about my sexuality and how insecure I am about it and made her uncomfortable. For about a year now, I’ve been really questioning whether having friends is really a good thing for me since all my friendships always end up making me feel like shit because of who I am. I’ve had three friends now whose parents don’t like me because of who I am.
I’ve also been getting bullied and harassed for being transgender and bi, and I got a no contact order against the main guy who’s been doing it. People always keep asking me about my relationship with my girlfriend and whether we’re still together. I want to break up with her but I can because I know it’ll ruin her. She has depression and autism so if I were to do this to her, I don’t know what will happen. But I hate romance and only accepted being her boyfriend because she asked me first, and I didn’t have the heart to reject her, and I wanted to be in a romantic relationship at the time even though I’m aromantic. I just want to be friends with her, but I don’t know how that will even work since she still has feelings for me.
My dad also is still getting angry over little things and making me hate myself even more. Everyone always has an excuse for why he does this, and while I acknowledge that and do feel bad that he feels that way, it doesn’t change the fact I feel so shitty because of him nor does it justify the way he treats me. I can’t even be upset about it because the older generations had worse childhoods than me.
I just hate myself so much and my depression isn’t getting any better, and I don’t know what to do. I don’t like therapy and my family is basically homeless so even if I was okay with therapy, my parents probably couldn’t pay for it anyway. I feel like such a terrible friend, son, brother, student, and just person in general. Sometimes I seriously question if I even deserve to live or if living is even worth it. I’d probably kill myself already if I wasn’t so scared to do it.
Again, so sorry for putting all this on you, I just need to talk to someone and you can ignore or delete this if you’re too uncomfortable with it.
There’s no need to apologize. Sometimes you just gotta let it out. I’ve actually had a similar experience with some of my irl friends.
I’d only get a little wary if you were looking for advice. I’m not good at giving that. The only “advice” I’d be able to give is to not let the fact that older generations had “worse” childhoods make you feel invalid. They were different eras, different standards, and different experiences. Their shitty isn’t gonna be the same as your shitty. No shitty time is worse than the other; just different.
I know it’s not much, but I sincerely hope things get better <3
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