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[louisisalarrie]

When an artist has a confidential guest attend one of their concerts, how is that accomplished? Does the guest arrive in a disguise? Is there a staff member assigned to help hide the guest? I’m imagining Louis sneaking around like a ninja.

helllooooo anon! im sure louis is quite the ninja lol. welcome to the show

Louis and Harry’s situation is very specific, but it does definitely happen. Ill speak in general terms a bit too to give you a bit of a scope on how this works

Now, firstly, it depends how big the artist is, and how big their touring crew is. So, for example, a small band when touring will never have the same amount of crew as a big artist obviously. They will instead outsource and hire local crew from crewing companies to do FOH, security, etc. and will sometimes have the venue handle the guest list as well. But with smaller acts, they’re not usually hiding a massive secret or having A listers rock up that need to be hidden, so yeah.

Harry’s touring party, rightly so, is massive. There’s roughly 80ish crew that he took on tour with him throughout LOT. like… almost all these people flew to every city. wild. But anyway, big stars have their trusted A&B party staff and rarely are swapping people in and out, because these folks know what’s gonna happen, they’re high up in their field, they’ve run the shows before etc., SO anyway sorry im rambling but basically big stars bring their trusted Backstage/VIP staff on tour.

There’s a few positions that crossover with this role of looking after confidential & any other guests, sometimes called a Backstage Coordinator if they are also handling a few other backstage roles and do not need to dedicate their entire time to the confidential guest (less likely in Larry’s situation), or they can be called a VIP/Guest Handler if there are going to be multiple guests across the tour/the confidential guest goes to more than one show, but much like most of the industry roles can overlap but yeah - there will be someone allocated to look after guests

ANYWAY

So if there were to be a confidential VIP coming through, it’ll be kept as quiet as possible. Only people who need to know will know, and oftentimes the promoter/local staff/venue staff will be shut off from entering that area of the building/venue without a short NDA signed for only very essential people. However, it depends on the venue layout for how strict they can be, but obviously stadiums are huge and have a lot of different entrances so yeah, it can vary. But usually the person is always in disguise.

It can be simple, like a hoodie and a hat and sunglasses and a Covid mask for example, but in something like Larry’s situation they’ll definitely be as in disguise as possible, escorted very quietly with certain entrances shut off, and venue/local security will also be warned to keep a close eye out. They’re not told who the guest is, but just that there’s a vip walking through the building and it’s crucial that this pathway is kept entirely blocked off. That staff member who’s looking after the VIPs would have received a map of the venue and would be all over it with security to ensure there’s a quick and discreet route. But stadiums are the best place to do this, because they are huge and there’s so much going on that it’s easy to slip by sometimes.

Louis would be easier to sneak into Harry’s shows because of the venue size, but also because he’s a little less recognisable too. For H to go to Louis’ shows, it’s still possible obviously he’s been before but just a little less easy to be sneaky with the venue size and how easily recognisable he is. But yeah, anyway

They’ll be escorted up to a press/media suite/corporate box/VIP box whatever you wanna call it after initially hanging out backstage, and usually be out of there before the show ends to meet the artist back at the hotel or whatever. They don’t ever catch the whole gig for their own safety/confidentiality. They’ll have their own security, driver, the works. They’re looked after just as much as the artist.

In short: the people who need to know, will know. Someone from the artist’s trusted team will organise the logistics of getting them in and out of the venue safely. They’ll be very looked after and then they’ll disappear before the end of the show to be on the safe side. It happens a lot.

[louisisalarrie]

Hi! Do you have any tea about Niall? I know everybody loves him but is he that sweet bts?

I didn’t work with him when he toured Australia this year, but from what I’ve heard from other folks in the industry who did work either on his tour or backstage with him, he’s an absolute delight. Just very chill, happy, and doesn’t really have the same kind of buzzing high energy that louis does pre show when you walk into a room, but is much more calm and relaxed and just kinda does his thing. Loves having his friends and family backstage and makes a point of having a rather large guest list at each show when he can, and post show he’s cackling and drinking beers.

Similar to louis in regards to ego/how he views himself, he doesn’t take himself too seriously and acts like he’s the best thing since sliced bread or orders people around for the sake of it. Quite grounded ya know. Harry spends a bit more time alone pre show than those two, but niall and louis are pretty similar in the regard that they want people around them a lot

It sounds a bit ridiculous that how we see them as fans they tend to act like backstage, but it’s true that they’re not assholes hahaha

[louisisalarrie]

helloooo sweet angels. welcome to the show!

I tend to answer and talk about a lot of bbg/2015 things on here and seem to attract a lot of newer fans & Larries (which is wonderful!!!) but I thought I’d just share some resources that you can refer to so there’s not so much back and forth in my inbox.

Arden (cosmicleeds) makes fantastic, super digestible videos recapping years, bbg, rbb & sbb and the big gay war etc., and I think it’s a really valuable way to kind of get your head around some stuff as socials, especially Twitter, have a lot of misinformation, fighting, wrong timelines, stuff that’s already been debunked etc.

so, here are a couple of faves that I recommend newer larries, or people who want refreshers, to watch as it’s a little less overwhelming than the 15k word essays we have on these topics that are hard to read about when you haven’t kind of been introduced to it initially

The Larry Stylinson Timeline - 2015

Larry denials and why they’re meaningless

RBB, SBB, & the Big Gay War

The difference between larry and the rest of 1D

there is a video on each year of Larry since 2010 too, so you can feel like you were there for it!

as always, I also highly recommend Allie’s (skepticalarrie) tags post if you want more of a read instead of a video, with so many masterposts and specific info on everything larry, and also louis and Harry individually

if you’re looking for fic recs or general larry/1d chats and a heap of receipts, Gina (twopoppies) is also very wonderful

and obviously there are a million other fantastic blogs and videos to watch, but I highly recommend those to start off with at least as they are based off facts and are very clear, as opposed to some wild reaching that goes on these days in certain parts of twitter etc.

we’re all here to be welcoming, have a chat, and be here for you to navigate this wild part of the fandom, and while there can be some nasty folks out there, remember that this is a welcoming place where we love love and we are a community who supports each other. the way it should be.

so, welcome baby larries, you’re in for a wild ride!

(also I’m very excited for this year’s recap - I want something crazy to go down the end of this year because damn rewatching 2015 took me right back to the days!)

[louisisalarrie]

i want you all to know that I am currently seeing such a shift in the industry. the younger folks coming in are doing it for the creatives, not for the money. it’s not about making stars, it’s about supporting and developing artists to be the best they can be. I’ve never seen so much passion and love. gender diversity is thriving too. it’s happening. the more we talk about the horrors of this industry, the more people want to come in and change that. seriously, I’m not being dramatic or just trying to hype y’all up, it’s truly happening. just gotta wait for the old rich folks to fall out of business and we will demolish the idea of closeting, overworking artists, trapping them in contracts, and give them more freedom, and support, than ever. this goes for all lines of work in this business, too. I’m seeing younger agents, managers, labels, and promoters, solely supporting local and unrecognised talent and giving them platforms. these folks are passionate and changing the environment and world we’re creating in here. it’s really lovely to see. i have a lot of optimism in the future of the music industry

[louisisalarrie]

I am relatively new to this fandom and I am already struggling with some things and I was hoping to get some perspective in the midst of feeling a bit discouraged. Do you ever struggle with admiring these artists who you know are lying to you and basically using manipulation tactics with the fandom? I have empathy for what these guys have gone through and can’t even imagine, especially so young. But especially with Louis, realizing that the Larry fans have stuck with him through so much and even through bbg (the ones who saw it for what it is), to just continue to be fed crap and seemingly pitted against other fans is just exhausting. And beyond a great super expensive concert, Harry seems completely disconnected and checked out. Concert Harry and public Harry are two totally different people (probably neither actually the real Harry) because of narratives and marketing and it just seems like everything is meant to be dissected and figured out and nothing is probably what it seems. And it really sucks to completely believe these are really great guys and believe that the situation is way more complicated than I can ever understand, yet still like I am just being fed bread crumbs that are supposed to be appreciation. I know as fans we are not owed all of them and they are absolutely entitled to a private life, but it just feels a bit like say nice things when we are convenient and spending money to attend shows and buy albums and leave us to deal with all the bullshit that goes with it on our own. Does this make any sense? I feel like it may sound a bit dramatic but it has been a long day :) I am just wondering if I am alone or being way to parasocial in sometimes feeling like this.

Heya!! no you’re not alone in this at all. And welcome to the fandom! <3

A lot of larries left when bbg happened. a lot of folks stopped tapping into any theories of Larry because like… it was harming their view on the boys and draining them of energy more so than just being part of the fandom which is meant to be a happy community supporting our faves. The disgust and clear closeting and stunts we’ve watched these boys go through just… makes my heart ache for them. But I can understand the frustration because it’s like… why can’t they do anything about it? Why are we still being lied to? When will it end? Why can’t I just enjoy my fave’s music without all this extra stuff on top of it?

And that is probably one of the biggest things about ending stunts is that you feel lied to. You’ve been sold a story for no other reason than money. You’ve been presented with this “authentic” image but really…. There’s more to it. It’s frustrating. Authenticity is just such a massive thing for artists these days. I know I keep hammering on about it but fr, it’s one of the best things an artist can do for their image, and for their wellbeing.

Rest assured though, we’re standing by their sides. We’re shouting from the rooftops. We’re reading laws and contracts and digging right in and learning and sharing info and it’s sooooo fucking cool. Obviously, a horrible circumstance, but do you know how many larries I got to know during 1d who now work in music? or are very well read in entertainment law and want to make a change? or are inspired to create safer spaces in fandoms? it’s a really cool thing off a very bad situation. but nonetheless, we have a community here, fighting for them.

Ending these stunts is no easy feat, either. It takes a lot of paperwork and a lot of damage control (depending on the story you’re going for), and a lot of convincing and maintaining relationships and losing money etc., and while artists are better without it… it’s just always gonna be there, one way or the other.

Larry was, and is, such a massive curveball to the industry. While yes a lot of artists have been closeted over the years, Larry was major in a turning point because of the fandom, the rise of social media (those two boys having access to their accounts and being sickly in love), and the rise of a different artist to fan relationship. Everything was recorded, gifs were made, we could directly message/tweet the boys, it was just… such a massively wild time, so the closeting came down really hard because it was unprecedented. SC was in entirely new territory, freaking out because they weren’t really aware how to take on alll these fans + social media. It was a mess. He panicked.

And every famous person has an image, a brand. It’s again, that fight on authenticity that people are yelling for now more than ever. Down goes the days of a whole fandom accepting something for what it is - we see through the bullshit, but it won’t just end. It makes money.

Anyway, it’s shitty but I’ve been here for a million years now and I, personally, can’t give up. I see a lot of yucky things in this industry firsthand, and when this all comes out, everything changes.

[louisisalarrie]

im not gonna get into details about this because I can’t but im serious when I say, as you all are aware but this is 100% confirming it, that stars as big and closeted as l + h can get away with inaccurate information on legal documents by having some very powerful lawyers on their side and contacts within different industry bodies in each market. the level of info, that is meant to be disclosed and could get the regular person in prison for lying on, is shifted due to their fame and situations.

you see this shit often from fans/insiders who, over the years, have gotten a hold of official and legal documents from them and jump at the chance to say “oh well it’s on this piece of paper they can’t lie on it” and well… information can be withheld and otherwise not disclosed due to confidentiality that would otherwise not uphold to the regular person.

famous folks have the POWER to NOT have to disclose everything about themselves (marital status, for example) and get away with it due to the powers that be, making exceptions for artists’ situations. i know this firsthand with many artists, including the boys (at least 3/5), that this is 100% verified and legal and their personal info does not have to be disclosed in everything, regardless of the severity of the document

[louisisalarrie]

Hello, how are you? I wanted to ask what are your thoughts about the image that Louis has now, I see different opinions, obviously I don't buy that image from Louis but I see that many complain for analyzing "Louis or Harry lol but I still don't understand why Louis wants to sell that image of a bad boy" or he just has to do it? I don't buy that and I think not even many of the fans do it because I see that there is something that does not close. What is your opinion about this? Thank you if you answer

Congrats, you just won a front row seat to the show! Welcome!

Listen… images are a funny thing in this industry. You see people rebrand themselves all the time - shifting genres for a wider reach, change up of clothing style, doing a feature/collab with an artist that’s quite different to them, showing more of their life on Insta, creating deeper artist to fan relationships etc. all goes into a shift in image. And it’s, 99% of the time (and specifically if it looks unnatural or it’s a very big change), a way to get a wider fanbase and tap into the markets that they don’t have a lot of fans in.

I find the 1d boys the absolute best example of this, because they all went different ways with genres and styles and everything, and stepped so far away from the 1d image to create a fanbase that wasn’t just 1d fans. It was pretty much do or flop at that point - there wasn’t really a choice.

And, to keep their solo careers their own, their solo managers were keeping a close eye on what the others were doing, how it was working for them, and what demographics of the 1d fandom were left, really. Like what were those fans listening to now? If Harry tapped into the younger fans with very poppy songs and wild outfits, how could Niall step into a space where he gets more of an indie/folk maybe slightly older fanbase? How could Zayn insert himself into the r&b scene and solidify himself as not just an ex boyband member? What markets are left to access that are currently doing well on the charts and have somewhat of a crossover for 1d fans?

And I find this interesting because the boys, from very early on, already liked these genres. You can tell by their writing, and they were open talking about their musical influences from early on. They were then, after 1d ended, allowed to create music in genres they were interested in, and loved, and it’s really cool to see. It was like… they were set free and jumped and ran to whatever genre their heart desired, but there was definitely sway there on which way to go. They had to really push them into these markets and make sure the crossover with each other was limited, to prove that they were there own standalone artists and to create fanbases that didn’t listen to them during 1d. They are now solo artists in their own right.

Anyway, I know you’re talking about image like personality and fan dynamics etc more, so I’ll get to that.

Fuckboy/Bad boy Louis, whatever you wanna call that era, kicked off in like mid-late 2014 and then big time in 2015. Smoking darts and the weed video and more swearing, one night stands leading to… whatever, partying every night… he became so far removed from what a boybander should be. And they always had like… a bit of an edge to them, but his image got fully sabotaged to set up the stunt that shall not be named. His image was absolutely thrown in the fucking bin. There goes his “long term gf funny happy giggly lad” to “drunk party boy lothario who is too cool to care”. And if you think that was natural, was all him rebelling, it wasn’t. Those guys weren’t allowed to do anything, very strictly stuck in their hotel rooms, Larry was covered up to project a happy little innocent boyband that your kids looked up to. But alas, the Louis sabotage began.

People often think it was because he was starting to bite back at management more, which im sure has a part of it. But also, their teams, and the Azoffs, and many other high profile execs were noticing that 1d wasn’t gonna last too much longer. The cracks were starting to show, and who’s gonna make the most money off their solo career? Harry. He was the frontman by the end of it. He’d stunted so much before, and was known to be a serial dater, that he’d be easy to stunt again. It wouldn’t be randomly off brand to shove him with a hot chick who’s gonna tap into a new fanbase for him. He’s easy to market. He writes good music. He’s pretty, and he has the biggest fanbase. Cool. Done.

So, Harry was whisked away with promises of greener grass, and Louis was left with a tarnished image, an ongoing stunt, and bad restrictions on his career (don’t even get me started on the way SC manipulated the beginning of his solo career). And I have no doubt he was partying, drinking, smoking etc., but 99% of the time was an image thing. So, he ended up being 1d’s resident bad boy (Zayn was until he wasn’t), and he had more of an edge to him. A bad boy is a classic image to market. Girls looooove a bad boy. So, you’ve got this guy leaving a poppy boyband with a bad boy image, who wants to lean towards a rock/alt/indie genre, which is arguably the best place for him to be with an already established image like his.

So yeah he smokes cigs and pot and loves a pint and vodka, but it’s very… in your face. It’s sometimes so glaringly obvious that it’s a major part of his image that, while the drinking/bad boy vibe is meant to seem authentic, it looks less real. I’m sure some of it is, in fact, authentic, but it can come off a bit blatant with how it’s pushed. So anyway, I don’t think the smoking/drinking is pushed as much now as it was for a while there, which is good. But it’s a strong part of an image and good for the market he’s in, that’s for sure. It also keeps his fans a bit older too.

I do think that having watched him for so many years that he does push away his softer parts, as many of you would agree with me. He’s got more of a tough thing going on, and again, that major stunt has affected his image so much that it’s hard not to talk about. It just adds to the bad boy rock n roll star thing. Some more icing on the cake. But he’s been media trained/given whatever image suits/pushed to be someone for 15 years now… he’s better at hiding and compartmentalising his true self. He protects his real self a lot more now, and this image works, and him and all the boys are much more private. We see what they want us to see.

Anyway the short of the long of it is that whatever image he’s got going on for him right now, is still working. Maybe with LT3 he’ll push away from it a little more, or maybe he’ll double down. It’s hard to tell. There are definitely ways to crack into other markets, if he wants to do that, and I have a few strategies and thoughts on the matter… but for now, I think it’s doing what it’s meant to do, it’s more authentic than his 1d image, and he seems comfortable in his skin wearing the footy gear and the singlets. I just wish we got more of his genuine personality as he’s just so guarded (absolutely not blaming him here) these days. But we know him, we know his personality, we see what’s real and what’s not, and I hope in this next era, we get more of his true self.

[louisisalarrie]

similar to the privacy thing with F: there is no world in which a boyband member at the peak of the band's fame would get a one night stand pregnant and then allow that to be public knowledge SO IMMEDIATELY. it was so early that most people wouldn't even have told family/friends yet, then add on top of that the fact it was an oopsie with someone who could have been sleeping with literally anyone around the same time.... no management/PR team would ever let that news break before confirming that he was the father. that's what stuck out to me when this is started, and I was just a high school student with no knowledge of how the industry works

That is definitely one of the most major things about this all. A majority teen girl demographic? You hide that shit and tuck it away. That is a scandal. It is BAD for PR, will make parents angry, will make fans upset and feel weirded out, it’s just… gonna cause backlash. And funnily enough, it did.

The timeline between bbg and louis with El is extremely murky too. They destroyed his image from the wholesome long term relationship guy (as he was always portrayed to be), and chucked him into a “party boy lothario” image. And now you have 2 (!!!) fuckboys in the band. It is so embarrassing to watch. That drastic change is just… none of it makes sense! And that’s what critical thinking, at the end of the day, helps you realise. They destroyed his image because he was pushing back, and they also wanted to keep harry as the star.

And their marketing/PR/management team (while they did have their extremely dumb moments) are being paid to look after the most loved band in the world at that time - they’re not gonna let that one slip. It was too early in her “pregnancy”, it went against all aspects of 1d’s image including compromising the love from their fans, and louis was just “buzzing”???? He didn’t even announce it himself!!!!!!

fucking crazy, man. It is so off the mark it’s unbelievable, yet people still think that that would be something that would be published and announced to the world, along with all the other inconsistencies to it. it is baffling to me

[louisisalarrie]

honestly you have to shake your head at these naive people. The TikTok shows the kids face unaltered. Some Freddie accounts froze the frame and he looks identical to how his brother looked at that age. But that’s the whole key to this farce, the Freddie’s don’t know what Austin looked like at 9/10 even though T has it up so you can do a side by side.

I’ve had some serious bbg feelings and thoughts clearly bubbling to the surface because this turned into a longer one than I thought. Anon, welcome to the show!

It’s just such a lack of critical thinking. But it’s also, like all these stunts, a massive thing of trust with the fan to artist relationship. Fans don’t want to be lied to. They don’t want to believe that their idol is lying to them, they don’t want to believe that the industry is capable of such stunts, and they don’t want to believe question this all because my god it is so much easier just believing everything you’re fed.

There’s also this weird toxic superiority complex that happens within this fandom, where all these solos/people who believe F is his son, believe they are better fans and that that is going to make louis like them more (which is lol). That Larries aren’t real fans because they “disrespect Louis’ family”. And let me tell you - when this all comes out, or any other scandal/stunt happens, Larries are gonna be the ones who stick around. We always have been. The most devoted and kind and loving fans are larries, and I’ve seen that for the last fucking 13 or so years.

Larries, these days at least, don’t gift louis presents related to Larry, we dont ask directly, we don’t push those boundaries because we understand privacy. Giving gifts to him for “his son” and making Instagram accounts for said child, who is still very much a minor, is creepy as fuck. If louis was posting this kid all the time, or was actually being a “super dad” (which like… if you believe louis’ a dad, he sure as hell ain’t a very good one and we’ve discussed that before with those folks just fucking celebrating the bare minimum) and was just… like.. had this kid on Insta all the time and was very loud and every day we’d have content of him, sure. Maybe it’d be a little less weird because he’d be plastering this kid’s face everywhere and making it 100% known. BUT if you believe he’s a dad, you should respect privacy, because louis is a private person, etc. and anyway they contradict themselves every second of every day and it’s extremely amusing, yet sad, to watch.

The narrative of who they’ve decided louis is, strays far from the 1d days. They just entirely don’t acknowledge what he was like back then, what he and Harry were like back then, the radical shift of him being a party boy, BLATANT evidence of stunts and that pregnancy being fake, and just roll with who he is now. And that just doesn’t make sense to me. Harries do it too. They choose what part of their idol exists, what part of their idol’s life matters, and disregard all the stuff those dudes said years ago about privacy and family values and what they wanted for their future and who they are, and were, and wanted to become.

It just also baffles me that they think F is his son because he kinda looks like him. Well… you’re hiring a kid for a closeted artist who’s pretending to be related, you’re not exactly gonna choose a kid who’s gonna look massively different, right? They’re gonna look at the parents and siblings baby photos and go “yes, we could work with this, they look similar”. It’s not rocket science.

And that kid does look soooooo much like his actual blood parents and sibling that it’s indisputable. But no, we get these random DNA family experts or whatever who decide he’s definitely louis’ because clearly everyone’s a professional these days. They ignore the facts and the photoshopping and everything that has come out over the last 9 years to keep up with their narrative.

Also, you simply cannot convince me that kid’s real name is “Freddie Reign”. Louis could sit me down and tell me himself and I wouldn’t believe him. He “named” him that to take the piss out of the whole thing, and prove it’s fake.

[louisisalarrie]

super random q but do you think louis is ever coming back to asia? 😭 lol honestly his team fucked up big time and a lot of the fans are (rightfully) pissed off nfndidks but i think it also had a lot to do with the countries they chose?

i remember the initial announcement was him going to countries he didnt visit during Itwt, which is nice and all i guess but i'm not sure they thought that through... clearly there weren't enough fans in those countries fo then after cancelling those he announce ONE SINGULAR show in jakarta... which, logically, makes sense since it's one of his top cities on spotify. and yet the turnout was terrible skndjdsk

i'm sure a lot of it had to do with fans still holding a grudge (honestly same) and being scared of cancellation again, but i was thinking maybe he should've chosen a different city? manila for instance had to have their Itwt show upsized from a 2k capacity venue to a 12k one if i'm not mistaken?

Hey lovely anon, and welcome to the show! (Late night VIP access for you - I’m only awake because god some of these bands take fucking forever to load out, so apologies if this is a bit scrambled!)

Yeaaaahhhh it’s definitely part of his team’s fault, but could also likely be the promoter’s. I think it was Live Nation for this one. At LN AUNZ they really try everything they can to not cancel shows, and just downsize (usually discreetly only to ticket holders, but sometimes posted on socials), and it comes down to ticket sales, but also supplier issues is a major one too.

I’m honestly not too across Asia’s music scene at the moment, it’s just not a territory I’m deep in, but maybe there were other major acts touring at the same time and therefore caused supplier issues too? Usually ticket sales are the main factor but you’ve got everything from trucking, backline, crew, sound, lights, accomodation, staging, tour manager fees, staffing, flights, venue rental, catering, LED etc. vs the guaranteed fee, so there’s a lot more to consider.

Promoters, like any business, obviously wanna lose as little money as possible, and so they do look at all avenues before having to propose a cancellation to the team because it makes them look bad. They obviously want Louis to choose them next time because they make money, so they don’t just cop out if they have low ticket sales, they try to make it work but sometimes it just… doesn’t.

I’m not sure what kind of deal it was - happy to go into different types of deals sometime with y’all if you’re interested - but depending on budgets and the type of deal, it could’ve just been a lot of artist costs and it would’ve costed louis more money to go there than the payoff would’ve been.

I understand it’s frustrating, 100%, AUNZ, particularly NZ, don’t get half the bands the rest of the world get, because it’s expensive and it’s a gamble. Unless the promoter is willing to put no caps in the tour offer and just gamble with fees because they’re sure of ticket sales and budgets, well, they won’t. And it is a gamble for louis to go to countries he’s not been to before while he’s still establishing a bigger turnout there.

He’s the kind of guy that wants to tour all over the world and see everyone no matter the size of the venue, and it’s ridiculous because with his net worth he can afford to lose some money lol, but his manager and team just… don’t get paid that way. They don’t do their job so they don’t get commission. Idk what kind of contract they have with him, but I doubt he’s gonna give them a free handout if he can’t even make enough money to cover half that shit mentioned above through ticket sales. It’s just not how a business runs. It’s not how management works.

I really hope yourself and the folks up there don’t hold a grudge against him, because it’s so often out of the artist’s control (again, sounds stupid but it is the way this works), and I’ve seen artists offer to pay for a show with like 6% ticket sales because they just wanna make that 6% happy. But it’s not feasible and their management think it’s a waste of time if it’s not successful. I disagree, but, that’s the way the cookie crumbles with the big dogs. And I’m sure he’d love to tour more cities and be with fans everywhere.

With how much of a gamble it is going to cities he’s not been to before, I imagine even with demographic studies, the promoter’s offer would’ve stated for louis to pay for most of the expenses I stated above, so the promoter doesn’t lose money because it’s a risk. The more risky the tour sales are, the more is deemed an artist cost. It’s just… business.

Anyway, ticket sales for all artists are really struggling these days because of this damn economy and “cost of living”. Fans aren’t often buying tickets til the last minute, like you said, for fear of cancellation. Particularly after covid, it’s really hit the music industry hard. Refunds are great, fine, sure, but if you’re spending a chunk of your pay to see an artist and it doesn’t happen, you lose a bit of faith in buying tickets for them/other artists the next time they come to your city.

In Australia, we have a website called Tixel, founded in Melbourne a few years ago. Changed the absolute game. Now folks aren’t buying off Ticketmaster marketplace or official ticketing outlet resales, and are using Tixel instead.

Tixel is a platform where you can sell your ticket to another person with very little fees taken. You can’t list your ticket for over 10% of the price you bought it for, you have to upload/scan your ticket into the system and it verifies its legitimacy, and then you can put it on sale for whatever price you like (with upwards of 10% of og price, or lower if you need to just get rid of it). It’s fantastic, stops scammers because they can’t upsell the ticket by 200% like on ViaGoGo, and all tickets are proved to be legitimate. I’ve waited last minute to a show, to see if I’m free/if it’s going ahead if it’s super far in advance to buy tickets on Tixel, because I know if I buy tickets the day of/a few days before, that there’s like a 1% chance they’ll cancel. Shit happens, sure, but by that time, you’ll know it’s going ahead.

Because of the concerns of buying tickets when they’re released, promoters and management teams can’t guarantee there will be a turnout and whether they will be able to gain a profit/at the very least break even, because it’s just too risky and of course suppliers want money well in advance. But if a band does a show, and it sells out last minute, great, cool, but you can’t bank on that. It’s changed the ticketing game and really fucked with artists, their teams, and promoters, because you can’t rely on the numbers early on.

There have been a few major festivals here that have cancelled, due to “unforeseen circumstances” usually (which is mostly a way to hide the fact it’s ticket sales), and it’s like… a week after tickets go on sale. This happened to a festival I bought tickets to the day of release, and a lot of folks I know were waiting for their next payday or until tickets were on resale closer to the time. It’s such a shame, and hurts a lot of people in the industry financially. It’s not just the big dogs who have a fuck ton of money, it’s the crewing on the ground, the caterers, the venues, suppliers etc. who get hurt the most. It’s devastating down here, at the moment.

You can bank on certain artists selling tickets everywhere, but unfortunately it wasn’t strong enough for Louis.

He couldn’t skip out on Asia all together, no way. He needed to do at least 1 show to cross that territory and fulfil the global deal that he may have with LN (not 100% on if it’s a global deal or co-pro but yeah, either way), because it would’ve looked shit if he didn’t and probably negotiated his touring deal and cost him more money to cancel. Idk, there’s so many moving parts to touring that it’s hard to give you a solid answer, anon, but I’m sure he’ll be back. They’ll focus on Asia to really crack it, I think. We’ll see how competent/how much his team cares, and what promoters are willing to offer to get him back. Deals change throughout the initial offer up until very close to the tour, so, yeah. Hopefully there’s more money from the promoter backing him next time.

It’s shitty, but the money they saved goes towards the next leg of the tour to cover higher artist costs. This can include nicer accomm, better flights, better catering, better LED/Lights/Sound for confirmed shows, depending on the deal. So it’s stretching yourself a bit thinner for more shows that will cost you money, or putting some more money into those shows to make it better. It’s a weird balancing act. And yeah. It’s a multitude of things, not just his popularity.

Anyway, hope this helps a bit! Let me know if any q’s xx <3

[louisisalarrie]

there’s quite the convo that was going on on twitter today, which is super interesting to me, because it’s brought up often and usually from newer members to the fandom, particularly solos. we’ve been talking about this for years. so… idk, let’s talk.

this convo is of the gist that Larries made Harry and louis stop interacting due to our interest in them being together. we, apparently, are the ones who made either mgmt, or Harry and Louis themselves, entirely separate and go from best friends to absolutely nothing. and when I say absolutely nothing, like… they were so distanced it was ridiculous.

but here’s the thing… if you weren’t around at the time (there’s no issue with that btw!), ziam was the second biggest ship after larry. A bunch of Larries shipped ziam, and a lot of larry antis shipped ziam, as well as ziam having their own following regardless of larry. And yes, I was there, so im fully aware ziam wasn’t as big as Larry, but they were definitely a close second as far as “ships” go. there was also narry, zarry, lilo, and all the others, but larry and ziam dominated.

But… funnily enough, ziam weren’t separating due to a large speculation of them being in a relationship. it was printed and posted in multiple formats that zayn had said in an interview he told Liam to kiss him and he did (early days, yes), and they really gave off relationship vibes for a long time there, but they were still close and interacting very lovingly throughout the entirety of 1d. and regardless of your stance on ziam, they were clearly very close.

The thing with this is, is that gay rumours can be harmful to a fanbase with a demographic of young women, who the idea is to make the band desirable for women to be with to keep them interested etc., we’re all aware of that, but why wasn’t ziam separated? why weren’t all the boys asked to be super straight with each other? why was it so intense with larry?

Because if you don’t have anything to hide, you don’t hide anything. ziam still were carrying on in front of our faces while larry went through a multitude of stunts (that antis and now some solos also believed were stunts), and were so strictly kept apart that it was blindingly obvious something was going on. To make it seem the most real, you’d have all the boys being laddy bro pals with one another. but it was specifically larry who were extremely drastically pushed apart. of course there was no public “fight” printed to give us a reason as to why they became so far apart (that would signal an end to the band and worry etc.) to make sense of it, but they just were forced in their own lanes. anyone with two eyes can see that, and you could easily tell if they hated each other or not. but the small moments they did interact, showed us otherwise.

anyway, it’s very important to note that ziam did not stop being ziam regardless of the rumours, but larry did stop being larry drastically. they’re not homophobes, they weren’t scared of encouraging the rumours (AIMH and all the playful tweets and interactions), but they were clearly separated when larry kept being talked about further down the track. and if you can’t see that, well you may need to reevaluate and use some critical thinking. it’s happened before 1d too, it’s not rocket science.

anyway, sorry for the rant. it’s just frustrating when I see this convo when we’ve had it over and over again. so, for all the newer larries,if you haven’t already, take this into consideration as one of the very biggest pieces of larry evidence we have. because, well, it is. it may seem insignificant as it’s not a “moment”, but rather it’s a long and ongoing piece of evidence that there was something to hide, so they hid it. and they still do.

[louisisalarrie]

okieeeeee dokie. I have gotten several messages about the F jerseys and whether or not louis is giving up larry and whether or not we should just step back because he’s still pushing the narrative and just people being sad in general about all this thinking he doesn’t care about us.

SO instead of replying to you all individually, this is the last im gonna comment on this bullshit unless something massive happens. I hope I can comfort y’all and just overall make this feeling of doubt and grossness and turn it into the fight that we’ve been fighting for 14 years and remind you all to stay strong.

Multiple anons, and anyone else interested, welcome to the show.

So, to start this off, im gonna provide you all with some links, to remind you of just how orchestrated bbg and all of this is. This will preface this conversation with a much stronger tone because well… you have to remember how fucked up this stunt is and how poorly it was conceived (pardon the pun).

Links here, here, here, and here

Okay. So. BBG is the biggest load of bullshit I’ve ever heard (reference fully intended). This shit was so poorly done, with so many mistakes, and so many things that didn’t add up. All on top of a young dude who’s meant to be marketable to the masses as attainable, to provide more sales etc., and not a bad boy that fucks multiple women and gets one of them pregnant. That’s just… not good PR, first of all, and also negatively affects not only him, but the band as well, regardless of them going on break. Why not just have Louis single and attainable? Market him as a bit more charming and sexy and maybe doing the Harry thing, to ensure more promo?

Well, because Louis was the punching bag for SC and friends and they didn’t want him to take the limelight off Harry for a solo career, and needed to be as far away as possible from each other to ensure Harry’s coming out. ANYWAY you’ve heard me talk about this shit before yada yada yada. So, im gonna chat about what’s happening now instead.

For the last little while, Larries have been given small sips of water while being stranded in the desert, is kinda the best way I can describe it. We’re only getting content from Louis, also, which is something to remember. We’re not getting double the content from Harry so it’s been fairly quiet. Anyway. We’ve gotten green and blue lights, coded clothing, 7, gazing and pointing at the ceiling/boxes, all that stuff, but really, it’s no proof. It’s little tidbits in the grand scheme of things, and unfortunately in this grand scheme of things, exists bbg.

Louis has been single for a long while now, and his dating life doesn’t get traction in the press. Neither will these jerseys or really much else he does. Unless he were to be tied to a major artist/actress who’s super famous, he’s not gonna get any further press outside of the realm he is currently in, unfortunately. And I think perhaps that is something he tends to reference when he’s on stage. The whole “we did this together, we need each other, we didn’t need anyone else’s help, im so lucky that you accept me as I am” etc, because he’s not been stunting to up his market value. He’s just… doing well with the fans. It’s lucky he has such a dedicated fanbase. Artists don’t have this all the time.

Now, idk why tf LATAM has brought on so much F content with these jerseys, and I don’t know who in their right mind is actually spending money on this shit to gift to Louis (particularly in an economic cost of living crisis), but it’s truly bizarre. If I believed in bbg, I wouldn’t be giving him gifts for his kid, and I could’ve done it quite easily backstage by getting someone to leave it in his dressing room or whatever. But it’s weirddddd and a waste of moneyyyyy and doesn’t make him love you any more than other fans. Is it like a weird anti power play or something? Idk. But what I do know, is that these jerseys have had a very clear narrative.

Idk if something is coming or Harry is gonna come out or whatever, but Louis is doing his pretty little barely smile and wave and glancing at these jerseys before popping them on the stage. He doesn’t seem to look particularly over the moon with them, does he? He’s just like “oh okay thanks” and slaps the hell out of his chest and goes back to doing whatever he was doing. If he loved getting gifts from fans for F all over the world (and didn’t think it was weird nor was it a setup), I imagine maaaaaybe he’d show it off to the crowd a bit more? Maybe a “this is great, thank you! Everyone look at this sick jersey for my little lad! He’s gonna love that” because Louis is SO proud of that kid and loves that kid SO much and I just feel like he’d be more excited about it.

If bbg was real and he found it weird, he’d still probably smile a little more and be a little more into it than what he seems to be. This second time round was a bit more of a grimace and I just don’t see him being stoked about it. But let’s talk about that… why has there been two fucking jerseys for “his” kid given to him in very close succession? wtf is going on?

well, one of those times, apparently the Louis jersey was gifted to him backstage, but they saved the F jersey to give it to him on stage. Personally, idk, if I was a fan and brought these jerseys and got to go backstage (?????) to gift him them, I would probably give them at the same time. Because that makes sense. Because otherwise you need to carry it around and also try and get his attention from the crowd and it just seems surely like more of a fuck around. It’s weird, weird, and weird, and feels like way more of a set up than usual.

Because, it’s just a little reminder for everyone about bbg, and that it exists. It’s a good little thing to just upkeep that narrative without having to DO anything. It’s easy. But also interesting timing, and why now?

Harry’s coming back on the radar slowly, after a BUA, and so perhaps there could be a coming out in the near future that would encourage Louis to continue to look hettie af. Perhaps it’s to distract from any larry stuff that may happen or has happened around this time. Maybe it’s a good little way to upkeep the narrative if Louis and Harry start forming a friendship or liking each other’s photo online or SOMETHING. it can be for so many reasons. But, the main one isn’t to get rid of us. I promise you that.

Louis’ fandom, while it slowly continues to develop and grow, is majority larries. It’s just a matter of fact that more Larries flocked to Louis when Harry started getting a fucking crazy fanbase and started doing a million stunts. Louis felt safer, and continues to feel safer. Don’t get me wrong, still a huge amount of harries are larries, but as it stands, Louis has a very strong amount of us on his side. And he’s not an idiot, he knows that. He knows his demographic, he would be updated about that by PR, and they would analyse it too and see what needs to be damage control, what the age ranges are, what the social media content is between the fans, and how they view louis. All very basic stuff, and so he’d know. Hence the “so be it” comment. He knows that without us, there was a larger potential he could’ve flipped and would be playing theatres as opposed to arenas. He could’ve pushed us waaaaay further away than what he has with his weird little denials and F comments, he could have that kid at more shows and be flaunting him on Instagram, and could be actively trying to really squash it. But he doesn’t (some people say it’s because being linked to Harry gives him promo but that’s another conversation for another time so don’t bring that up please haha).

He states, very loudly and clearly, that he appreciates and loves every single one of us. He doesn’t make snide comments, he doesn’t say this kind of dismissively, he makes a point to say he loves all of us no matter what. He pointedly said that he thanks us for accepting him. And quite frankly, if I was in his position, I’d probably find a better way of saying that if I wanted to dispel the rumours.

These little jersey setups (which I believe one person has started and others have followed giving a great little way to remind us of bbg from louis’ team and UAs), are awfully staged and just cause fights within the fandom. It’s not ideal, but hell, it beats seeing him with that kid everywhere. And these days are very interesting with how fans get their information. Years ago, while we had groupies and insiders, update accounts weren’t manipulated the way they are now. We had blind items, sure, but anyone could write into that. We had receipts, and while many were real, many also weren’t. But now… with how big fanbases are online, the best way to communicate narratives are fan to fan, as opposed to media to fan. It seems more genuine. It seems less fake like media items are. It looks real.

So with these jersey incidences and UAs blabbering on and posting pictures of jerseys before the show and saying how much Louis loved them and all that, it’s manipulated as more real than what it is. You can’t write an article about everything, but you can tip off UAs or Deuxmoi with a fake name to get them to post shit for the fandom exclusively to see. It’s simple, but very effective. And it’s just… pure marketing, and encourages artist to fan interaction (which should be supported online but the boys can lack that these days which is shit on their behalf), and helps dispel the rumours within the fandom.

Wow okay. This turned into an essay and im not actually gonna reread it because I don’t have time but if you’ve gotten this far in my rambling, kudos to you. My main points are:

- no matter how many jerseys louis gets for F, he’s still not a dad

- those jerseys will not magically make him a dad

- these stunt narratives are sooooo see through and boring these days I just roll my eyes at it but thank god it’s a lot more lowkey to what it could be

- Louis loves us and wants us here bc we pay his bills and also accept him and support him and we’re on whatever journey he wants to take together

- these little ongoing narrative pushes can be the preface to a coming out on Harry’s side/reconciliation between the boys

- keep an eye on body language throughout these interactions

- giving gifts to ur fave relating to their kid no matter what you believe is creepy and weird and a lot of us seem to be in agreement on that

- this shit isn’t louis’ fault

- don’t believe everything you read on Twitter

- they missed the boat on ending this stunt years ago and ending it now is gonna be very fucking hard

- it’s easily arguable that even if Larry wasn’t real, Louis’ still not a dad

thanks team!

[louisisalarrie]

hey genuine question do you think the azoffs helped harry at all like yk with his image and everything bc i personally feel like they didn't do much considering how he's been friends with them since he was 19

ok so this turned out longer than planned, I thought you were just attending soundcheck but anon… welcome to the show!

i mean… for a family business with a legacy like the Azoffs, getting harry onside was both a challenge, and a huge win. They’d been “befriending” him for a while even during 1d, but they saw the dollar bills. The dude is talented, gorgeous, and had undeniably the biggest fanbase of all the 1d boys. But you know what the biggest thing was? He already had the womaniser image.

getting a big popstar, who’s young and looking for something new, and already has an image that’s easy to uphold and is a standard in closeting, was an absolute jackpot for them. the Azoffs are pros in pulling together an image, but taking on an established artist and trying to introduce a new “era” or image, takes a long time to make it obvious that the team isn’t the ones pushing the artist to do it. It can’t seem unnatural to the GP, because that’s how these businesses fail. However, the Azoffs are highly regarded for making sure their artists have a huge amount of freedom and “control” over their image. They have their own image to uphold, and they continue to do that with their artists, but Harry is an excellent example.

They gave him big promises, and let’s be honest… he is far more himself than he ever was in 1d. He would’ve never been able to wear the clothes on stage that he does now, or talk ambiguously about his sexuality (more so than the 2015 seeding), or be so open in these long interviews and chats. It’s not all about the women now, but they’re still there. It’s so much more authentic, and it really worked out for the Azoffs, and also, for harry. Apart from the closeting, he has been able to be a lot more himself, and you can tell. The Azoffs upheld the promise of creative freedom, that they said they’d give to him many years ago. They definitely did do that (even though bits of his image are dramatised for sure).

But, re his personal life image, they already had a tick on the closeting, which was the biggest hurdle. He was already known to have the short term relationships, so stunts were easy. He was bribed with more freedom but still stunts and it makes sense to take it. It was more freedom than he’d ever had, and also the promise of actually making it as a solo star was like… obviously what he wanted. Ofc he’d go to the best in the business. He’s highly protected, more freedom, more control over his image but the stunts… they don’t just disappear. Harry has had a long term following who are interested in his personal life. It would be weird if he went “private” with that, because he’d always “dated” publicly. It was a trade, and by that point, all those boys were used to doing stunts anyway. A little bit of freedom is better than none.

They also offered a fucking large sum of money (in ref to projected outcomes if all contractual obligations were filled) and a good contract. Again, they need to continue to commit to giving artists more freedom. They’re known for that, even though the contracts are longer and trickier and there’s more exploitation, it makes sense to be with the best in the business. And the Azoffs have their fingers in so many pies, it’s ridiculous. Having Live Nation and Ticketmaster and many other businesses and partnerships from different industries and owning venues and everything… harry has a guaranteed career. The world is laid at his feet, but it’s always a trade.

Anyway, the whole boundary pushing thing they’ve put forward to harry, encouraging him to be himself but also step out of the lines, revitalise pop music, give the whole “be yourself!! we’re progressive!!” Thing has worked out very well for them. Harry’s done excellently too, because arguably the biggest challenge you can take on when employing an already established artist, is one from a boyband. Particularly the biggest boyband in the world, but a boyband nevertheless. Because… frankly, you have to widen that demographic. You have to show that this guy who’s gone solo is an artist in his own right. Is talented and can stand on his own. Isn’t going to be just another washed up boyband member. Isn’t going to be constantly related to the previous boyband in every headline, so people know who he is. And the Azoffs nailed that. I hate to say it, but they’re that important and rich and revered in the industry because they’re good at what they do. And they’re very rich and own everything, but..: they’re also good at what they do.

Now, context here, I’ve been in a total of two email chains with Jeff Azoff. One mainly for visibility for specific circumstances, one that was a bit more general, but shit like… the documents this guy sends through and the planning and his assistant and everything… it’s all very carefully curated. These people take no shit and are extremely professional but also don’t take no for an answer. Everyone says yes to them, kinda because they have to. (I’m not saying i know Jeff in any way, shape, or form… i just was part of a few threads so I’ve seen some of his work incl. a small amount re Harry).

Listen… they’re fucking good at what they do, but they tie people up in knots with these contracts. It’s negotiation. It’s a trade, like all these deals are, but they can promise way more than other folks. It makes sense to go to them.

In short: Their monopolisation of the industry is yucky. I don’t like the control they have, I don’t like how exhausted their artists are, I don’t like their stunting, and I don’t like their control over the press. I don’t like a lot of things about these idiots, but I recognise they have this power because they did have a headstart in the industry, but also they’ve upheld it and they’ve delivered great results.

Not to mention that good ol’ SC had a solid relationship with them too… until he didn’t. They poached harry, “advised and counselled him” to take the band in a new direction, showing him that the grass is greener before stealing him the second they could. And they did.

Anyway sorry for the ramble here, but yeah, they’ve done well repairing his image from 1d for the most part, while still holding onto the biggest element of it: keeping him officially closeted.

[louisisalarrie]

You’re back!! 💚💙

While the boys are off doing their thing, my dash is full of RBB and SBB- and I’m reading through the posts again. Man, what I wouldn’t give to have lived through that in real time. It’s absolutely wild all laid out in one place. Going through it must have been a surreal experience!

This isn’t really a louisisalarrie chats moment but I’ve missed you all, so, welcome to the show! 💙💚

Holy shit it was wild. Like… the suspense of waiting if each show would have them, decoding the bears, “love larry”, looking at reflections in sunglasses, mapping out locations like when I tell you it was giving FBI, it was.

It was just also so exciting! The chaos on here, all the Larries working together, all the anons in our inboxes, the antis trying to fight us but they really couldn’t because ??? How do you dispute all the evidence that rbb and sbb brought? The blue and green sticker smiley/sad faces, there was a horse at one point, my god it was wild. It was just so fun decoding it all and working together as such a big community and tumblr was thriving!!!

It also brought one of my fave ever moments, in which they were asked about the bears in an interview, and niall almost broke his neck looking indisputably straight at louis

Also, a note on the above… if you truly believe that crew are fucking around with a couple of stuffed animals, I can’t even begin to tell you how wrong you are.

I’ve worked in this industry for years, and if you think the crew are doing this with how busy they are when constructing stages and rigging the floating equipment and the lights and fucking EVERYTHING (crew do so much shoutout to them) than you are sorely mistaken. They couldn’t give two fucks about a couple of bears.

Like ???????? Nope. They are not doing that on their own accord for fun. What would that even achieve for them? Plus, not all their crew were touring crew. There was a lot of local crew on the ground too who like… would be asking why the fuck they’re doing that and would roll their eyes wasting that time when they all just wanna have a break. Their touring crew would’ve been directly told to do it by Paul and it was just innocent enough, with a lazily alibi, that hl could do it without getting in trouble. Plus all the other proof it was them and the messages but yeah, it is one of the biggest pieces of evidence we’ve ever had. But antis don’t question it because everything is suuuuuper transparent in the industry!!!!! There’s never any lies!!!! No closeting!!!! We know everything about them!!!!!

God, anyway, thanks for the memories anon!

[louisisalarrie]

Preface with I don’t believe Louis is a dad.

But in response to the anon that suggested a possible way to end bbg. The issue I see with this suggestion is that they would have had to have found out that F was not Louis’ child before J passed for Lottie’s comment to still be true. During this time F was still very young and keeping up the act for his sake doesn’t make as much sense.

Phew, this ended up being my first long post in a while. Anon, welcome to the show!!

So, I think that’s the original way they were going to end bbg in the first place, right? Before J passed, she deleted all photos of F off her Instagram account which is suss as fuck, you know? So the general theory is that it was meant to end around then, then louis was coping with the passing of J, and he didn’t wanna deal with this stunt BS. it just… was gonna be such a huge thing to go through with a bunch of media, while he was grieving and obviously going through a rough time.

So it didn’t end. It just kept rolling through and they kinda ignored it for a bit. But then the reappearance of the kid, I guess, was to keep up appearances until they could just end it when the time was right. But he also didn’t want this to overshadow all the work he was putting in to releases and tours and albums that he had planned. Because, as much as it’s good for it to end (I assume they’ll put a positive spin on louis for it) publicity wise, it would be such a shock to the world and the fandom that it would just overshadow so much. And we all know how hard he’s working on his music and being known for being an artist, after years of stunting and being known for his “relationships”. He values his music and wants to do that over anything.

You could argue that it would push his name out there for more sales, prior to the releases and tours, which it would, but it ultimately will overshadow those releases AND not to mention it will mean he’s going to be on his tomlins-own again, truly upset about the news that it’s not his kid, and will therefore not be okay enough to perform/be releasing music. So it fits to be done at a time where he’s on break, which he will be after festival season, and it’s the perfect time for people to “respect his privacy while going through this hard time” and creates a good comeback story for a new single/album release when it happens. It makes the most sense this way and keeps his name in the papers and a positive spin on him. The end of this year is the perfect time. I hope it happens.

Anyway, more to your point here anon, is that the above only works if he’s found out recently. Now, this news is going to be everywhere, and the general public truly don’t really know about Lottie’s comment or the messy timeline in AOTV and all that bbg stuff. It’s predominantly all fandom chat, and so they could still spin it as fresh without questioning from the general public. But, no matter what they do with it and how the announcement is made and what louis says or a “close source” to him in the paper when it’s happening, it’s gonna not line up to us one way or another.

I mean, his team, along with Harry’s, are focusing so much more on the wider spread of publicity now, that it’s not about convincing us anymore. How many things do we still talk about as weird and messy that happened 10 years ago? Including all the wild bbg stuff? We were loud and caught interest from some GP folks that did end up becoming a larrie or questioning it or whatever, but the GP moves on quick to the next article or big thing and just aren’t as invested in this as we are. They’re not picking up on the little things or keeping up to date. So, yeah.

Anyway, I have a few theories on how this all will end, and I don’t think they’ll be entirely clear with us as it is. But it’s not about us anymore. Back in the day, of course it was - because of all the shit we picked up on in the band, and how loud we were and our investigations and proof etc., they always went the extra mile to prove shit to us too. But this’ll be pretty generalised and they know we’ll just be happy that it’s over. That’s all that matters.

So, yeah. I think it’s been long enough since he’s had the kid that there will be a custody battle of sorts while he doesn’t tour and then she demands him to get a PT and then hooooopefully this is over. I’m still holding out hope. But I think it’ll be just as messy when it ends as when it began.

Thanks anon!!

[louisisalarrie]

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Sorry but this theory does not support Freddie not being Louis’ child. Very unfair to compare parenting styles. Zayn lives in the US so can be closer to his daughter plus he doesn’t have to deal with damaging comments about his child not being his when he does post pics.

Louis has chosen not to live in the US so has to work that bit harder to spend time with his son. We see very little social media of Louis being a dad because he doesn’t want us to. In fact he chooses to share very little of his personal life. This isn’t just about Freddie. This extends to all aspects of his life outside of his work. This doesn’t mean he isn’t regularly with his son. Even if you did see tons of photos of him and Freddie, would this fandom believe it?? No! People would continue to come up with wild theories about the child not being his so it’s no wonder he doesn’t want to publicise it. His little boy will start to read this very soon - what a terrible thing to be part of.

I love quite a lot of your blog, and I love your responses to people. You are always kind even when opinions differ from yours. I can’t agree with you on the Freddie theory though and I think that opinions like this are damaging to Louis and make him feel very unsafe. I can’t understand why those of you that love Lou as much as you say you do, would continue to publicly push this theory. It is not ok to make someone feel unsafe - would you like to be made to feel that way? You’re entitled to your opinions but it’s not ok to continue to publicise them. You are not so aggressive in your responses to be fair but other blogs are and it’s pretty shocking.

hey anon, thank you for the kind words and happy to have you here! welcome to the (very respectful) show

I do think if you’ve been following me long enough, it is quite clear I do not believe for a second that F is Louis’ kid. this is incredibly important to note, because it’s hard for me to actually try and imagine the situation if this was real, simply because it’s so damn bogus. None of it adds up. but I digress

correct. Louis has not chosen to live in the US. which, I could argue, is a pretty shitty thing to do when he already has an LA house and chooses not to spend as much time there. You can argue that he’s a private guy, but it’s a pretty shallow argument when you look at the exposure of this kid over the past 9 years. so, if we do pretend he’s a dad for a second here, he’s not been private of that kid, including everything being papped from the get go, plastered him all over Instagram, continues to allow his sisters to have him all over Instagram, didn’t take legal action against TMZ and the other media outlets that posted F’s birth certificate, had the kid at one of his shows without security and pointed him out to the crowd (which, mind you, that kid should’ve been in a box because there is always gona be people who don’t believe that F is his son and that’s something louis knows and I doubt any fan would be aggressive but ya know… take some precautions here pal), had a whole segment of him in AOTV, and the list goes on and on.

so, apart from that, we also have the knowledge of this fandom. This fandom is fucking crazy and always has been. In both the best and worst ways. Don’t get me wrong, I love being here. It’s beautiful, and a sense of community, and supporting the boys and their music comes before anything. whether you’re a solo, ot5, anti, larrie, whatever. We love their music and music is so important and it’s why I’ve dedicated so much time to get where I am. anyway

this fandom knows a hell of a lot about the boys locations. Earlier days more so than now, but it’s clear louis spends a lot of time not in LA. He doesn’t even have custody of the kid. No paternity test, nothing. SO that’s also important. He can’t spend all his time with F in LA if he doesn’t have custody, even though he pays child support allegedly idk the legality of it all is a shit show

so, anyway, this kid is still constantly posted by the Tommo sisters, B’s family, and he was presented to the public like craaaaaazy when he was born. Louis gives a fuck about privacy, you’ve acknowledged that, but if he gave a single FUCK about privacy this kid wouldn’t have even been announced to the world, let alone publicised at every given chance.