#louisisalarrie chats

[louisisalarrie]

Hi! Do you have any tea about Niall? I know everybody loves him but is he that sweet bts?

I didn’t work with him when he toured Australia this year, but from what I’ve heard from other folks in the industry who did work either on his tour or backstage with him, he’s an absolute delight. Just very chill, happy, and doesn’t really have the same kind of buzzing high energy that louis does pre show when you walk into a room, but is much more calm and relaxed and just kinda does his thing. Loves having his friends and family backstage and makes a point of having a rather large guest list at each show when he can, and post show he’s cackling and drinking beers.

Similar to louis in regards to ego/how he views himself, he doesn’t take himself too seriously and acts like he’s the best thing since sliced bread or orders people around for the sake of it. Quite grounded ya know. Harry spends a bit more time alone pre show than those two, but niall and louis are pretty similar in the regard that they want people around them a lot

It sounds a bit ridiculous that how we see them as fans they tend to act like backstage, but it’s true that they’re not assholes hahaha

[louisisalarrie]

helloooo sweet angels. welcome to the show!

I tend to answer and talk about a lot of bbg/2015 things on here and seem to attract a lot of newer fans & Larries (which is wonderful!!!) but I thought I’d just share some resources that you can refer to so there’s not so much back and forth in my inbox.

Arden (cosmicleeds) makes fantastic, super digestible videos recapping years, bbg, rbb & sbb and the big gay war etc., and I think it’s a really valuable way to kind of get your head around some stuff as socials, especially Twitter, have a lot of misinformation, fighting, wrong timelines, stuff that’s already been debunked etc.

so, here are a couple of faves that I recommend newer larries, or people who want refreshers, to watch as it’s a little less overwhelming than the 15k word essays we have on these topics that are hard to read about when you haven’t kind of been introduced to it initially

The Larry Stylinson Timeline - 2015

Larry denials and why they’re meaningless

RBB, SBB, & the Big Gay War

The difference between larry and the rest of 1D

there is a video on each year of Larry since 2010 too, so you can feel like you were there for it!

as always, I also highly recommend Allie’s (skepticalarrie) tags post if you want more of a read instead of a video, with so many masterposts and specific info on everything larry, and also louis and Harry individually

if you’re looking for fic recs or general larry/1d chats and a heap of receipts, Gina (twopoppies) is also very wonderful

and obviously there are a million other fantastic blogs and videos to watch, but I highly recommend those to start off with at least as they are based off facts and are very clear, as opposed to some wild reaching that goes on these days in certain parts of twitter etc.

we’re all here to be welcoming, have a chat, and be here for you to navigate this wild part of the fandom, and while there can be some nasty folks out there, remember that this is a welcoming place where we love love and we are a community who supports each other. the way it should be.

so, welcome baby larries, you’re in for a wild ride!

(also I’m very excited for this year’s recap - I want something crazy to go down the end of this year because damn rewatching 2015 took me right back to the days!)

[louisisalarrie]

i want you all to know that I am currently seeing such a shift in the industry. the younger folks coming in are doing it for the creatives, not for the money. it’s not about making stars, it’s about supporting and developing artists to be the best they can be. I’ve never seen so much passion and love. gender diversity is thriving too. it’s happening. the more we talk about the horrors of this industry, the more people want to come in and change that. seriously, I’m not being dramatic or just trying to hype y’all up, it’s truly happening. just gotta wait for the old rich folks to fall out of business and we will demolish the idea of closeting, overworking artists, trapping them in contracts, and give them more freedom, and support, than ever. this goes for all lines of work in this business, too. I’m seeing younger agents, managers, labels, and promoters, solely supporting local and unrecognised talent and giving them platforms. these folks are passionate and changing the environment and world we’re creating in here. it’s really lovely to see. i have a lot of optimism in the future of the music industry

[louisisalarrie]

im not gonna get into details about this because I can’t but im serious when I say, as you all are aware but this is 100% confirming it, that stars as big and closeted as l + h can get away with inaccurate information on legal documents by having some very powerful lawyers on their side and contacts within different industry bodies in each market. the level of info, that is meant to be disclosed and could get the regular person in prison for lying on, is shifted due to their fame and situations.

you see this shit often from fans/insiders who, over the years, have gotten a hold of official and legal documents from them and jump at the chance to say “oh well it’s on this piece of paper they can’t lie on it” and well… information can be withheld and otherwise not disclosed due to confidentiality that would otherwise not uphold to the regular person.

famous folks have the POWER to NOT have to disclose everything about themselves (marital status, for example) and get away with it due to the powers that be, making exceptions for artists’ situations. i know this firsthand with many artists, including the boys (at least 3/5), that this is 100% verified and legal and their personal info does not have to be disclosed in everything, regardless of the severity of the document

[louisisalarrie]

similar to the privacy thing with F: there is no world in which a boyband member at the peak of the band's fame would get a one night stand pregnant and then allow that to be public knowledge SO IMMEDIATELY. it was so early that most people wouldn't even have told family/friends yet, then add on top of that the fact it was an oopsie with someone who could have been sleeping with literally anyone around the same time.... no management/PR team would ever let that news break before confirming that he was the father. that's what stuck out to me when this is started, and I was just a high school student with no knowledge of how the industry works

That is definitely one of the most major things about this all. A majority teen girl demographic? You hide that shit and tuck it away. That is a scandal. It is BAD for PR, will make parents angry, will make fans upset and feel weirded out, it’s just… gonna cause backlash. And funnily enough, it did.

The timeline between bbg and louis with El is extremely murky too. They destroyed his image from the wholesome long term relationship guy (as he was always portrayed to be), and chucked him into a “party boy lothario” image. And now you have 2 (!!!) fuckboys in the band. It is so embarrassing to watch. That drastic change is just… none of it makes sense! And that’s what critical thinking, at the end of the day, helps you realise. They destroyed his image because he was pushing back, and they also wanted to keep harry as the star.

And their marketing/PR/management team (while they did have their extremely dumb moments) are being paid to look after the most loved band in the world at that time - they’re not gonna let that one slip. It was too early in her “pregnancy”, it went against all aspects of 1d’s image including compromising the love from their fans, and louis was just “buzzing”???? He didn’t even announce it himself!!!!!!

fucking crazy, man. It is so off the mark it’s unbelievable, yet people still think that that would be something that would be published and announced to the world, along with all the other inconsistencies to it. it is baffling to me

[louisisalarrie]

honestly you have to shake your head at these naive people. The TikTok shows the kids face unaltered. Some Freddie accounts froze the frame and he looks identical to how his brother looked at that age. But that’s the whole key to this farce, the Freddie’s don’t know what Austin looked like at 9/10 even though T has it up so you can do a side by side.

I’ve had some serious bbg feelings and thoughts clearly bubbling to the surface because this turned into a longer one than I thought. Anon, welcome to the show!

It’s just such a lack of critical thinking. But it’s also, like all these stunts, a massive thing of trust with the fan to artist relationship. Fans don’t want to be lied to. They don’t want to believe that their idol is lying to them, they don’t want to believe that the industry is capable of such stunts, and they don’t want to believe question this all because my god it is so much easier just believing everything you’re fed.

There’s also this weird toxic superiority complex that happens within this fandom, where all these solos/people who believe F is his son, believe they are better fans and that that is going to make louis like them more (which is lol). That Larries aren’t real fans because they “disrespect Louis’ family”. And let me tell you - when this all comes out, or any other scandal/stunt happens, Larries are gonna be the ones who stick around. We always have been. The most devoted and kind and loving fans are larries, and I’ve seen that for the last fucking 13 or so years.

Larries, these days at least, don’t gift louis presents related to Larry, we dont ask directly, we don’t push those boundaries because we understand privacy. Giving gifts to him for “his son” and making Instagram accounts for said child, who is still very much a minor, is creepy as fuck. If louis was posting this kid all the time, or was actually being a “super dad” (which like… if you believe louis’ a dad, he sure as hell ain’t a very good one and we’ve discussed that before with those folks just fucking celebrating the bare minimum) and was just… like.. had this kid on Insta all the time and was very loud and every day we’d have content of him, sure. Maybe it’d be a little less weird because he’d be plastering this kid’s face everywhere and making it 100% known. BUT if you believe he’s a dad, you should respect privacy, because louis is a private person, etc. and anyway they contradict themselves every second of every day and it’s extremely amusing, yet sad, to watch.

The narrative of who they’ve decided louis is, strays far from the 1d days. They just entirely don’t acknowledge what he was like back then, what he and Harry were like back then, the radical shift of him being a party boy, BLATANT evidence of stunts and that pregnancy being fake, and just roll with who he is now. And that just doesn’t make sense to me. Harries do it too. They choose what part of their idol exists, what part of their idol’s life matters, and disregard all the stuff those dudes said years ago about privacy and family values and what they wanted for their future and who they are, and were, and wanted to become.

It just also baffles me that they think F is his son because he kinda looks like him. Well… you’re hiring a kid for a closeted artist who’s pretending to be related, you’re not exactly gonna choose a kid who’s gonna look massively different, right? They’re gonna look at the parents and siblings baby photos and go “yes, we could work with this, they look similar”. It’s not rocket science.

And that kid does look soooooo much like his actual blood parents and sibling that it’s indisputable. But no, we get these random DNA family experts or whatever who decide he’s definitely louis’ because clearly everyone’s a professional these days. They ignore the facts and the photoshopping and everything that has come out over the last 9 years to keep up with their narrative.

Also, you simply cannot convince me that kid’s real name is “Freddie Reign”. Louis could sit me down and tell me himself and I wouldn’t believe him. He “named” him that to take the piss out of the whole thing, and prove it’s fake.

[louisisalarrie]

there’s quite the convo that was going on on twitter today, which is super interesting to me, because it’s brought up often and usually from newer members to the fandom, particularly solos. we’ve been talking about this for years. so… idk, let’s talk.

this convo is of the gist that Larries made Harry and louis stop interacting due to our interest in them being together. we, apparently, are the ones who made either mgmt, or Harry and Louis themselves, entirely separate and go from best friends to absolutely nothing. and when I say absolutely nothing, like… they were so distanced it was ridiculous.

but here’s the thing… if you weren’t around at the time (there’s no issue with that btw!), ziam was the second biggest ship after larry. A bunch of Larries shipped ziam, and a lot of larry antis shipped ziam, as well as ziam having their own following regardless of larry. And yes, I was there, so im fully aware ziam wasn’t as big as Larry, but they were definitely a close second as far as “ships” go. there was also narry, zarry, lilo, and all the others, but larry and ziam dominated.

But… funnily enough, ziam weren’t separating due to a large speculation of them being in a relationship. it was printed and posted in multiple formats that zayn had said in an interview he told Liam to kiss him and he did (early days, yes), and they really gave off relationship vibes for a long time there, but they were still close and interacting very lovingly throughout the entirety of 1d. and regardless of your stance on ziam, they were clearly very close.

The thing with this is, is that gay rumours can be harmful to a fanbase with a demographic of young women, who the idea is to make the band desirable for women to be with to keep them interested etc., we’re all aware of that, but why wasn’t ziam separated? why weren’t all the boys asked to be super straight with each other? why was it so intense with larry?

Because if you don’t have anything to hide, you don’t hide anything. ziam still were carrying on in front of our faces while larry went through a multitude of stunts (that antis and now some solos also believed were stunts), and were so strictly kept apart that it was blindingly obvious something was going on. To make it seem the most real, you’d have all the boys being laddy bro pals with one another. but it was specifically larry who were extremely drastically pushed apart. of course there was no public “fight” printed to give us a reason as to why they became so far apart (that would signal an end to the band and worry etc.) to make sense of it, but they just were forced in their own lanes. anyone with two eyes can see that, and you could easily tell if they hated each other or not. but the small moments they did interact, showed us otherwise.

anyway, it’s very important to note that ziam did not stop being ziam regardless of the rumours, but larry did stop being larry drastically. they’re not homophobes, they weren’t scared of encouraging the rumours (AIMH and all the playful tweets and interactions), but they were clearly separated when larry kept being talked about further down the track. and if you can’t see that, well you may need to reevaluate and use some critical thinking. it’s happened before 1d too, it’s not rocket science.

anyway, sorry for the rant. it’s just frustrating when I see this convo when we’ve had it over and over again. so, for all the newer larries,if you haven’t already, take this into consideration as one of the very biggest pieces of larry evidence we have. because, well, it is. it may seem insignificant as it’s not a “moment”, but rather it’s a long and ongoing piece of evidence that there was something to hide, so they hid it. and they still do.

[louisisalarrie]

You’re back!! 💚💙

While the boys are off doing their thing, my dash is full of RBB and SBB- and I’m reading through the posts again. Man, what I wouldn’t give to have lived through that in real time. It’s absolutely wild all laid out in one place. Going through it must have been a surreal experience!

This isn’t really a louisisalarrie chats moment but I’ve missed you all, so, welcome to the show! 💙💚

Holy shit it was wild. Like… the suspense of waiting if each show would have them, decoding the bears, “love larry”, looking at reflections in sunglasses, mapping out locations like when I tell you it was giving FBI, it was.

It was just also so exciting! The chaos on here, all the Larries working together, all the anons in our inboxes, the antis trying to fight us but they really couldn’t because ??? How do you dispute all the evidence that rbb and sbb brought? The blue and green sticker smiley/sad faces, there was a horse at one point, my god it was wild. It was just so fun decoding it all and working together as such a big community and tumblr was thriving!!!

It also brought one of my fave ever moments, in which they were asked about the bears in an interview, and niall almost broke his neck looking indisputably straight at louis

Also, a note on the above… if you truly believe that crew are fucking around with a couple of stuffed animals, I can’t even begin to tell you how wrong you are.

I’ve worked in this industry for years, and if you think the crew are doing this with how busy they are when constructing stages and rigging the floating equipment and the lights and fucking EVERYTHING (crew do so much shoutout to them) than you are sorely mistaken. They couldn’t give two fucks about a couple of bears.

Like ???????? Nope. They are not doing that on their own accord for fun. What would that even achieve for them? Plus, not all their crew were touring crew. There was a lot of local crew on the ground too who like… would be asking why the fuck they’re doing that and would roll their eyes wasting that time when they all just wanna have a break. Their touring crew would’ve been directly told to do it by Paul and it was just innocent enough, with a lazily alibi, that hl could do it without getting in trouble. Plus all the other proof it was them and the messages but yeah, it is one of the biggest pieces of evidence we’ve ever had. But antis don’t question it because everything is suuuuuper transparent in the industry!!!!! There’s never any lies!!!! No closeting!!!! We know everything about them!!!!!

God, anyway, thanks for the memories anon!

[louisisalarrie]

Preface with I don’t believe Louis is a dad.

But in response to the anon that suggested a possible way to end bbg. The issue I see with this suggestion is that they would have had to have found out that F was not Louis’ child before J passed for Lottie’s comment to still be true. During this time F was still very young and keeping up the act for his sake doesn’t make as much sense.

Phew, this ended up being my first long post in a while. Anon, welcome to the show!!

So, I think that’s the original way they were going to end bbg in the first place, right? Before J passed, she deleted all photos of F off her Instagram account which is suss as fuck, you know? So the general theory is that it was meant to end around then, then louis was coping with the passing of J, and he didn’t wanna deal with this stunt BS. it just… was gonna be such a huge thing to go through with a bunch of media, while he was grieving and obviously going through a rough time.

So it didn’t end. It just kept rolling through and they kinda ignored it for a bit. But then the reappearance of the kid, I guess, was to keep up appearances until they could just end it when the time was right. But he also didn’t want this to overshadow all the work he was putting in to releases and tours and albums that he had planned. Because, as much as it’s good for it to end (I assume they’ll put a positive spin on louis for it) publicity wise, it would be such a shock to the world and the fandom that it would just overshadow so much. And we all know how hard he’s working on his music and being known for being an artist, after years of stunting and being known for his “relationships”. He values his music and wants to do that over anything.

You could argue that it would push his name out there for more sales, prior to the releases and tours, which it would, but it ultimately will overshadow those releases AND not to mention it will mean he’s going to be on his tomlins-own again, truly upset about the news that it’s not his kid, and will therefore not be okay enough to perform/be releasing music. So it fits to be done at a time where he’s on break, which he will be after festival season, and it’s the perfect time for people to “respect his privacy while going through this hard time” and creates a good comeback story for a new single/album release when it happens. It makes the most sense this way and keeps his name in the papers and a positive spin on him. The end of this year is the perfect time. I hope it happens.

Anyway, more to your point here anon, is that the above only works if he’s found out recently. Now, this news is going to be everywhere, and the general public truly don’t really know about Lottie’s comment or the messy timeline in AOTV and all that bbg stuff. It’s predominantly all fandom chat, and so they could still spin it as fresh without questioning from the general public. But, no matter what they do with it and how the announcement is made and what louis says or a “close source” to him in the paper when it’s happening, it’s gonna not line up to us one way or another.

I mean, his team, along with Harry’s, are focusing so much more on the wider spread of publicity now, that it’s not about convincing us anymore. How many things do we still talk about as weird and messy that happened 10 years ago? Including all the wild bbg stuff? We were loud and caught interest from some GP folks that did end up becoming a larrie or questioning it or whatever, but the GP moves on quick to the next article or big thing and just aren’t as invested in this as we are. They’re not picking up on the little things or keeping up to date. So, yeah.

Anyway, I have a few theories on how this all will end, and I don’t think they’ll be entirely clear with us as it is. But it’s not about us anymore. Back in the day, of course it was - because of all the shit we picked up on in the band, and how loud we were and our investigations and proof etc., they always went the extra mile to prove shit to us too. But this’ll be pretty generalised and they know we’ll just be happy that it’s over. That’s all that matters.

So, yeah. I think it’s been long enough since he’s had the kid that there will be a custody battle of sorts while he doesn’t tour and then she demands him to get a PT and then hooooopefully this is over. I’m still holding out hope. But I think it’ll be just as messy when it ends as when it began.

Thanks anon!!

[louisisalarrie]

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Sorry but this theory does not support Freddie not being Louis’ child. Very unfair to compare parenting styles. Zayn lives in the US so can be closer to his daughter plus he doesn’t have to deal with damaging comments about his child not being his when he does post pics.

Louis has chosen not to live in the US so has to work that bit harder to spend time with his son. We see very little social media of Louis being a dad because he doesn’t want us to. In fact he chooses to share very little of his personal life. This isn’t just about Freddie. This extends to all aspects of his life outside of his work. This doesn’t mean he isn’t regularly with his son. Even if you did see tons of photos of him and Freddie, would this fandom believe it?? No! People would continue to come up with wild theories about the child not being his so it’s no wonder he doesn’t want to publicise it. His little boy will start to read this very soon - what a terrible thing to be part of.

I love quite a lot of your blog, and I love your responses to people. You are always kind even when opinions differ from yours. I can’t agree with you on the Freddie theory though and I think that opinions like this are damaging to Louis and make him feel very unsafe. I can’t understand why those of you that love Lou as much as you say you do, would continue to publicly push this theory. It is not ok to make someone feel unsafe - would you like to be made to feel that way? You’re entitled to your opinions but it’s not ok to continue to publicise them. You are not so aggressive in your responses to be fair but other blogs are and it’s pretty shocking.

hey anon, thank you for the kind words and happy to have you here! welcome to the (very respectful) show

I do think if you’ve been following me long enough, it is quite clear I do not believe for a second that F is Louis’ kid. this is incredibly important to note, because it’s hard for me to actually try and imagine the situation if this was real, simply because it’s so damn bogus. None of it adds up. but I digress

correct. Louis has not chosen to live in the US. which, I could argue, is a pretty shitty thing to do when he already has an LA house and chooses not to spend as much time there. You can argue that he’s a private guy, but it’s a pretty shallow argument when you look at the exposure of this kid over the past 9 years. so, if we do pretend he’s a dad for a second here, he’s not been private of that kid, including everything being papped from the get go, plastered him all over Instagram, continues to allow his sisters to have him all over Instagram, didn’t take legal action against TMZ and the other media outlets that posted F’s birth certificate, had the kid at one of his shows without security and pointed him out to the crowd (which, mind you, that kid should’ve been in a box because there is always gona be people who don’t believe that F is his son and that’s something louis knows and I doubt any fan would be aggressive but ya know… take some precautions here pal), had a whole segment of him in AOTV, and the list goes on and on.

so, apart from that, we also have the knowledge of this fandom. This fandom is fucking crazy and always has been. In both the best and worst ways. Don’t get me wrong, I love being here. It’s beautiful, and a sense of community, and supporting the boys and their music comes before anything. whether you’re a solo, ot5, anti, larrie, whatever. We love their music and music is so important and it’s why I’ve dedicated so much time to get where I am. anyway

this fandom knows a hell of a lot about the boys locations. Earlier days more so than now, but it’s clear louis spends a lot of time not in LA. He doesn’t even have custody of the kid. No paternity test, nothing. SO that’s also important. He can’t spend all his time with F in LA if he doesn’t have custody, even though he pays child support allegedly idk the legality of it all is a shit show

so, anyway, this kid is still constantly posted by the Tommo sisters, B’s family, and he was presented to the public like craaaaaazy when he was born. Louis gives a fuck about privacy, you’ve acknowledged that, but if he gave a single FUCK about privacy this kid wouldn’t have even been announced to the world, let alone publicised at every given chance.

[louisisalarrie]

okieeeeee dokie. I have gotten several messages about the F jerseys and whether or not louis is giving up larry and whether or not we should just step back because he’s still pushing the narrative and just people being sad in general about all this thinking he doesn’t care about us.

SO instead of replying to you all individually, this is the last im gonna comment on this bullshit unless something massive happens. I hope I can comfort y’all and just overall make this feeling of doubt and grossness and turn it into the fight that we’ve been fighting for 14 years and remind you all to stay strong.

Multiple anons, and anyone else interested, welcome to the show.

So, to start this off, im gonna provide you all with some links, to remind you of just how orchestrated bbg and all of this is. This will preface this conversation with a much stronger tone because well… you have to remember how fucked up this stunt is and how poorly it was conceived (pardon the pun).

Links here, here, here, and here

Okay. So. BBG is the biggest load of bullshit I’ve ever heard (reference fully intended). This shit was so poorly done, with so many mistakes, and so many things that didn’t add up. All on top of a young dude who’s meant to be marketable to the masses as attainable, to provide more sales etc., and not a bad boy that fucks multiple women and gets one of them pregnant. That’s just… not good PR, first of all, and also negatively affects not only him, but the band as well, regardless of them going on break. Why not just have Louis single and attainable? Market him as a bit more charming and sexy and maybe doing the Harry thing, to ensure more promo?

Well, because Louis was the punching bag for SC and friends and they didn’t want him to take the limelight off Harry for a solo career, and needed to be as far away as possible from each other to ensure Harry’s coming out. ANYWAY you’ve heard me talk about this shit before yada yada yada. So, im gonna chat about what’s happening now instead.

For the last little while, Larries have been given small sips of water while being stranded in the desert, is kinda the best way I can describe it. We’re only getting content from Louis, also, which is something to remember. We’re not getting double the content from Harry so it’s been fairly quiet. Anyway. We’ve gotten green and blue lights, coded clothing, 7, gazing and pointing at the ceiling/boxes, all that stuff, but really, it’s no proof. It’s little tidbits in the grand scheme of things, and unfortunately in this grand scheme of things, exists bbg.

Louis has been single for a long while now, and his dating life doesn’t get traction in the press. Neither will these jerseys or really much else he does. Unless he were to be tied to a major artist/actress who’s super famous, he’s not gonna get any further press outside of the realm he is currently in, unfortunately. And I think perhaps that is something he tends to reference when he’s on stage. The whole “we did this together, we need each other, we didn’t need anyone else’s help, im so lucky that you accept me as I am” etc, because he’s not been stunting to up his market value. He’s just… doing well with the fans. It’s lucky he has such a dedicated fanbase. Artists don’t have this all the time.

Now, idk why tf LATAM has brought on so much F content with these jerseys, and I don’t know who in their right mind is actually spending money on this shit to gift to Louis (particularly in an economic cost of living crisis), but it’s truly bizarre. If I believed in bbg, I wouldn’t be giving him gifts for his kid, and I could’ve done it quite easily backstage by getting someone to leave it in his dressing room or whatever. But it’s weirddddd and a waste of moneyyyyy and doesn’t make him love you any more than other fans. Is it like a weird anti power play or something? Idk. But what I do know, is that these jerseys have had a very clear narrative.

Idk if something is coming or Harry is gonna come out or whatever, but Louis is doing his pretty little barely smile and wave and glancing at these jerseys before popping them on the stage. He doesn’t seem to look particularly over the moon with them, does he? He’s just like “oh okay thanks” and slaps the hell out of his chest and goes back to doing whatever he was doing. If he loved getting gifts from fans for F all over the world (and didn’t think it was weird nor was it a setup), I imagine maaaaaybe he’d show it off to the crowd a bit more? Maybe a “this is great, thank you! Everyone look at this sick jersey for my little lad! He’s gonna love that” because Louis is SO proud of that kid and loves that kid SO much and I just feel like he’d be more excited about it.

If bbg was real and he found it weird, he’d still probably smile a little more and be a little more into it than what he seems to be. This second time round was a bit more of a grimace and I just don’t see him being stoked about it. But let’s talk about that… why has there been two fucking jerseys for “his” kid given to him in very close succession? wtf is going on?

well, one of those times, apparently the Louis jersey was gifted to him backstage, but they saved the F jersey to give it to him on stage. Personally, idk, if I was a fan and brought these jerseys and got to go backstage (?????) to gift him them, I would probably give them at the same time. Because that makes sense. Because otherwise you need to carry it around and also try and get his attention from the crowd and it just seems surely like more of a fuck around. It’s weird, weird, and weird, and feels like way more of a set up than usual.

Because, it’s just a little reminder for everyone about bbg, and that it exists. It’s a good little thing to just upkeep that narrative without having to DO anything. It’s easy. But also interesting timing, and why now?

Harry’s coming back on the radar slowly, after a BUA, and so perhaps there could be a coming out in the near future that would encourage Louis to continue to look hettie af. Perhaps it’s to distract from any larry stuff that may happen or has happened around this time. Maybe it’s a good little way to upkeep the narrative if Louis and Harry start forming a friendship or liking each other’s photo online or SOMETHING. it can be for so many reasons. But, the main one isn’t to get rid of us. I promise you that.

Louis’ fandom, while it slowly continues to develop and grow, is majority larries. It’s just a matter of fact that more Larries flocked to Louis when Harry started getting a fucking crazy fanbase and started doing a million stunts. Louis felt safer, and continues to feel safer. Don’t get me wrong, still a huge amount of harries are larries, but as it stands, Louis has a very strong amount of us on his side. And he’s not an idiot, he knows that. He knows his demographic, he would be updated about that by PR, and they would analyse it too and see what needs to be damage control, what the age ranges are, what the social media content is between the fans, and how they view louis. All very basic stuff, and so he’d know. Hence the “so be it” comment. He knows that without us, there was a larger potential he could’ve flipped and would be playing theatres as opposed to arenas. He could’ve pushed us waaaaay further away than what he has with his weird little denials and F comments, he could have that kid at more shows and be flaunting him on Instagram, and could be actively trying to really squash it. But he doesn’t (some people say it’s because being linked to Harry gives him promo but that’s another conversation for another time so don’t bring that up please haha).

He states, very loudly and clearly, that he appreciates and loves every single one of us. He doesn’t make snide comments, he doesn’t say this kind of dismissively, he makes a point to say he loves all of us no matter what. He pointedly said that he thanks us for accepting him. And quite frankly, if I was in his position, I’d probably find a better way of saying that if I wanted to dispel the rumours.

These little jersey setups (which I believe one person has started and others have followed giving a great little way to remind us of bbg from louis’ team and UAs), are awfully staged and just cause fights within the fandom. It’s not ideal, but hell, it beats seeing him with that kid everywhere. And these days are very interesting with how fans get their information. Years ago, while we had groupies and insiders, update accounts weren’t manipulated the way they are now. We had blind items, sure, but anyone could write into that. We had receipts, and while many were real, many also weren’t. But now… with how big fanbases are online, the best way to communicate narratives are fan to fan, as opposed to media to fan. It seems more genuine. It seems less fake like media items are. It looks real.

So with these jersey incidences and UAs blabbering on and posting pictures of jerseys before the show and saying how much Louis loved them and all that, it’s manipulated as more real than what it is. You can’t write an article about everything, but you can tip off UAs or Deuxmoi with a fake name to get them to post shit for the fandom exclusively to see. It’s simple, but very effective. And it’s just… pure marketing, and encourages artist to fan interaction (which should be supported online but the boys can lack that these days which is shit on their behalf), and helps dispel the rumours within the fandom.

Wow okay. This turned into an essay and im not actually gonna reread it because I don’t have time but if you’ve gotten this far in my rambling, kudos to you. My main points are:

- no matter how many jerseys louis gets for F, he’s still not a dad

- those jerseys will not magically make him a dad

- these stunt narratives are sooooo see through and boring these days I just roll my eyes at it but thank god it’s a lot more lowkey to what it could be

- Louis loves us and wants us here bc we pay his bills and also accept him and support him and we’re on whatever journey he wants to take together

- these little ongoing narrative pushes can be the preface to a coming out on Harry’s side/reconciliation between the boys

- keep an eye on body language throughout these interactions

- giving gifts to ur fave relating to their kid no matter what you believe is creepy and weird and a lot of us seem to be in agreement on that

- this shit isn’t louis’ fault

- don’t believe everything you read on Twitter

- they missed the boat on ending this stunt years ago and ending it now is gonna be very fucking hard

- it’s easily arguable that even if Larry wasn’t real, Louis’ still not a dad

thanks team!

[louisisalarrie]

Hello love. I like sending you asks because you’re always great at responding. This one is a bit sensitive. Don’t post if not appropriate.

Louis and alcohol. You’ve worked with him and seen him a little more closely than most. Is he a massive drinker (like, every day) or is his alcohol consumption a little exaggerated? I’ve seen other posts referring to him as having a problem, which seems a cruel assumption when people don’t know the guy.

It looks to me like there’s a ton of boozing on tour (lots of stories from other artists who’ve worked with him confirm they all drink a lot when they’re all together) but L never looks as though he goes on stage p*ssed. He tends to have beer on stage with him but never drinks the whole thing (I kind of feel like it’s a bit of a nervous habit, to have a drink there he can grab but not to be necessarily knocking it back show). I mean he definitely looks like he drinks a lot post show but we never hear of him turning up to meet fans drunk or smelling of booze (and there dont seem to be any major boozy stories about him doing something bad because he was drunk - oh apart from breaking his arm!) so I’m on the fence about whether or not he does have unhealthy drinking habits or not. He seems pretty controlled and put together with the occasional post show drunken/stoned selfie!

What are your thoughts?

I guess I just want a healthy Louis.

Hello anon! Apologies for the hold up on this, I wanted to do a good and thorough job at responding because it is a sensitive topic, for sure. I’m not sure how much you dabble in substances, your age, or your experiences with said substances, so what I say may feel like it’s still too much, but yeah, I hope I can provide you with some reassurance. So, lovely anon, welcome to the show!

TW for alcohol and drug use

Drinking and drug use is heavily glorified, over indulged in, and used as a crutch in the entertainment industry, but often times you only hear the worst of it. You’ve got the stories of overdoses, media analysing stars because they look drunk performing on stage, and artists having a bad/shocking image because they partake in alcohol/drugs depending on who their demographic is (zouis weed video, for example).

It’s often used as a coping mechanism, to just take a bit of the edge off. This doesn’t mean that all artists use it to an extreme extent to where they can’t perform/can’t live without it (like it’s portrayed in A Star is Born), and don’t get me wrong, some do, but from what I’ve seen and my pals and colleagues in the music industry have seen, Louis doesn’t overindulge.

I mean, they’d have a drink (or multiple) for the same reasons as we do, to just… chill out the nervous system, or carry on the energy. Dissipate some anxiety before going on stage and while on stage, calming down your body and mind from the adrenaline afterwards, partying and carrying on a bit more heavily if you’re celebrating. I’ve toured, not to the same extent as L or H, but it becomes quite normalised within people from the artist’s direct team, their direct touring crew, to the promoters, to the artist’s personal friends. It’s SO much work putting on these shows and travelling and when everything goes well, it’s a huge relief and time for a beverage or a joint. It’s just kinda… very normalised, which is also really bad, but Louis, from what I’ve seen and heard, is smart with it.

You’re correct in saying he isn’t drunk on stage, he doesn’t smell like substances (only cigarettes but that’s a whole other story), and only has 1 beer on stage.

His rider is pretty standard too. Artists over order so they don’t need runners to go get them stuff causing a delay. And then they take whatever they don’t finish to the hotel with them or whatever. If you were famous you’d wanna milk the free stuff 100%, so yeah, if that is a cause of concern for some fans seeing the leaked LATAM rider, I can assure you that it doesn’t go that far between the amount of people in his band and crew. It’s just… very normalised, but doesn’t happen every night.

Louis also just loves to dabble in the devils lettuce (im super annoyed that I have a story about this that I can’t share but he’s fucking hilarious) and loves a drink. Alcohol is also super normalised and encouraged in the UK, and here in Australia too. So I see a lot of it and it’s just kind of a thing you… do. It’s more so if you don’t drink, people are like ????? Hahaha.

So growing up in a country where it’s very normal to drink a beer or get pissed, it’s kind of engrained, and then being in an industry where it’s also normalised, it’s 100% natural to lean into it. When I drink on tour, it’s certainly less often than artists, but it’s just a social celebration thing and it’s kind of expected to a degree. In my opinion, and from what I’ve seen of him going on tour, he doesn’t have a problem nor loses any professionalism on or off the stage. He’s very serious about making these shows good and proving himself.

When I was backstage with him at one of these shows, he was in a green room that wasn’t too far from my office. He is so LOUD and hearing his giggle and talking shit was so wild hahaha. I could smell cigarettes, and heard him and his band/crew do a shot before the show, but apart from that I think maybe they had one or two beers in the late arvo together. I don’t clean/service green rooms so I can’t tell you 100% how much they drank, but it was pretty lowkey. I also don’t think he gets stoned before going on stage (I would’ve smelt it). I think it’s purely an after show fun time which also helps him sleep from jet lag/adrenaline etc. like I mentioned earlier.

He eats well, and while not as healthy as H, still filling food and has an appetite (im talking during the day, not the wild amount of munchies he orders post show), so he’s not letting alcohol/nicotine curb his appetite to that point. He did have bottle service at his hotel on a couple of those nights, too. But again, the bigger indulgence seems to be post show. He’s overall still healthy.

From what we’ve seen, it would be very easy to spot if he was going too far. He’s 100% in control and uses it as a small crutch like a lot of us do due to the intense stress of our jobs. Tbh he also just likes a drink and a joint or two and there’s no reason to worry. Hell, I like a drink or a joint or two and im good at my job, know when to stop, and uphold my professionalism to a high standard. There’s truly no reason to worry, he’s just louder about it than the other boys (I’ve heard that Niall gets on it just as much, but we don’t see it).

Now, it may seem like im making excuses for the industry or for Louis or whatever, but truly, it kinda is what it is. There has been a small but significant shift in the industry around drinking and drug use though, and how it affects mental health, which is great. In Australia, we have a resource called “Support Act” which is an organisation that now has a 24/7 wellbeing hotline for artists, industry folks, and crew, and while it has been around since 1997, it is obviously far bigger and more accessible now due to technology etc., and has great resources. The UK similarly has “Music Minds Matter”, and there are multiple around the US. So there is definitely a larger awareness on the toll touring and an industry career can take on you, and I have no doubt that Louis is aware of his limits and has supportive and wonderful people around him.

Wow okay this turned into a whole other thing. Sorry!!! Hahaha. Look, in short, he drinks nowhere near as much as other artists I’ve worked with (8 bottles of top shelf whiskey in one night thanks) and unless we see any cause for concern, im sure he’s okay, 100% in control, and just living his best life as a 32 yr old successful rockstar. Try not to worry!

[louisisalarrie]

Do you actually know something/seen something that makes you even more sure in your Larrie believes? Like where you are Larrie first and then got some “proves” from your job, or?

Understand if you can’t say anything 😊

Wow ok this accidentally turned into a welcome to the show. So, anon, without further ado, welcome to the show!

I’ve been a larrie since like… 2011. When we were “larry shippers” lol. So the confirmation and further info didn’t happen until I started in the industry. I always knew they were together but it’s interesting. People say they don’t believe they’re like… open about it to the industry but they kind of are. Not in a “I’ll prove it to you” overt way, but it’s just far more conservative in front of fans/the public eye. Plus… so much of this industry are contractors/suppliers who work with big names all the time. While yes, there are NDAs and contracts to assess and sign, a lot of crew just don’t give a fuck. They’re there to get paid and do their job and move onto the next one. Whether it be specific artist’s phone calls or in the cases they’re (larry) at each other’s shows… it just… doesn’t matter to the crew, a lot of the time. There will be a fan here and there who works a show, but you have to be so careful. Many folks in this industry know things and do have proof, but they hold onto it.

It is what it is, at the end of the day. A lot of these folks work with people like P!NK, Taylor Swift etc., like… some seriously high profile names. But there are also times where NDAs are enforced more specifically in specific regions or tours, in which the artist’s mgmt will ensure crew and staff and anyone external to the touring party sign a much more thorough contract, due to… particular “friends” being there/another higher personal matter risk. It’ll be far more specific, as opposed to a blanket basic contract. And the artist requests this if they feel they need to for their own personal comfort and freedom. SO whenever I see those, I know that there is someone on tour with that artist who shouldn’t be identified, or like… something very personal may happen. Which, yeah. If there’s more of a risk, there’s more contracts.

Now, not everyone has to sign these contracts, but if something leaks, like… a photo or an in depth story (less so for fans bc no one believes receipts, more so selling to the media with proof), said touring party often (depending on the artist/level of fame/level of risk) have a spreadsheet of every person there who’s external to that party with contact details, job titles etc. They know who to interrogate. So even if you don’t sign a specific NDA for that specific artist, they will find you if something drops.

Now, that’s important for multiple reasons - the main one being that some receipts can actually be real. Without photo proof, a lot of mgmt teams just don’t give a fuck, because particularly in the case of larry, we’ve been debunking/calling bullshit on folks for so long, that without proof, stories may get some attention but often just… disappear. Unless sold to the media with proof, it kind of…. Doesn’t matter to them. Plausible deniability, etc. ya know.

Say that 2 people saw something at one of Harry’s shows. Let’s role play it.

Person 1: *sends an anon to a popular larrie tumblr and a popular Larrie Twitter because they have to get it off their chest and they can’t hold back* “omg harry was talking on the phone to louis backstage at one of his shows!!! I know because I heard blah blah blah”

Person 2: *sends a voice recording/shitty video that catches his voice but no face as well as an anon to a popular larrie tumblr/twitter* “omg harry was talking on the phone to louis backstage at one of his shows!!! I know because I have proof but please either post carefully or not at all, you just need to know”

And listen… of course proof helps obviously. People are gonna believe person 2 over person 1 because it’s way easier to write a fake receipt than try and AI/fake a voice recording for anon clout. And also… that’s such a different thing since back in the day. Louis really be out here like “you never know what’s AI and what isn’t” because it’s fucking true. When we got photos/videos/shitty recordings or whatever back then, we sat down and pulled it apart so damn intensely that it’d be debunked, or at least considered somewhat proof/might be a thing. But now? Mgmt can just ignore that shit unless it’s very clear proof, because of AI and the lengths people will go to for internet clout nowadays. It’s just… yeah. It has to be very explicit for them to care.

I have no doubt we have had recent legit receipts, and yes, the majority are fake. But folks just don’t have as much to lose these days. It’s easy to not be traced if there’s no solid proof. So, people are getting away with more because more can be faked. It’s an interesting dynamic to a long running “conspiracy theory”, and provides mgmt with plausible deniability.

So, a lot of people know a lot of things. Some people don’t care, some people sit on solid proof because they’ve signed an NDA or will be found out 100% if they post it even on anon, and some people lie to get kicks. It’s just… So much more complicated than it used to be, which makes it easier for larry, and harder for us to prove things are real.

For example, louis may not require an extra NDA signed by all members of external parties because a certain “pal” won’t be with him on that tour. Anything else he does (trash a hotel room, or get really stoned for example), will be covered by a blanket NDA. Extra contracts come into it when there’s extra risk.

SO Harry may not have needed extra signatures/contracts for certain legs of his tour, but had them for other bits. In the case that a whole region may be a risk in terms of a pal joining him/where he is in his stunt contract, it’ll be a requirement to provide an extra NDA. it won’t be for particular shows because it’s too obvious, more so for a whole leg, and a US promoter isn’t gonna compare NDAs to a UK or AU promoter (even if they’re the same company) because like… why would you? A lot of worldwide promoters don’t actually have access to each other’s folders or content, either. Like… Live Nation US can’t see Live Nation UK’s stuff, because it’s not relevant. It’s regional and different sizes and too much data. Only very specific touring stats/fees would be shared. Same with AEG Presents, and so many other global promoter companies. So, yeah. Plus the personal promoters who tour Harry etc. through their companies, are the big dogs who’ve been doing this for 20+ years and have seen so much shit that they don’t care. They’re more worried about the money. It just… yeah. They’re not ones for delving into the interests of personal lives for artists, because they’re already working on 7 other big name tours. It’s… interesting. The blasé of it all, when you’re in this wild world. It’s so different to the fandom.

So yeah. It’s a topic that’s often debated, but without saying too much more, there’s a little squiz into what people know, and hold, and what mgmt care about and don’t care about. Larry are often together, but no one believes shit without solid proof. And the people who have solid proof, can’t/wont share it, 99% of the time.

I’m not saying believe every receipt, and I’m not saying everything is true, and I’m not saying everything is fake. I’m saying that some stuff is plausible and should be entertained because it very well could be true. But yeah… I hope this makes sense. Sorry for the chaos, and thanks for the chats. I know this isn’t exactly what you asked but yeah.

[louisisalarrie]

1000 fans theory? tell me more?

hellooooo lovely. of course! welcome to the show!

The 1000 Fans Theory was an essay written by Kevin Kelly, who was (still is? Idk) an influential entertainment and media journalist in 2008. It’s been both widely celebrated, and debated, over the years, and while it’s still referred to these days, it’s not as solid as it once was due to the way creators of the entertainment industry (including influencers) use social platforms and communicate with fans, the awful economy, and the development of so many more media channels now involved in marketing. The artist-to-fan relationship these days is more important than ever, but so much harder to facilitate and uphold due to the influx and oversaturation of media, and people’s attention spans. So I use it loosely sometimes, but let’s dig in to the bulk of it.

This theory, in short, was somewhat initially proposed as an alternative path than trying to just aim for stardom.

The main takeaways from it are:

- the internet is extremely valuable for artists to cultivate and uphold the longevity of their direct artist to fan relationship

- a “true fan”, I guess what we’d call “stans” these days, is someone who will spend approx $100 a year (a bit over $8 per month) on your content/merch/music/art whatever it may be. 1,000 of those? You’re making $100,000 a year.

- however, this is premised on developing a direct relationship, so no middle men taking cuts (managers, publishers, etc.), which was proposed as we now have the internet to cut out a lot of those middlemen (which, again, over time, people have found a way to make money and become said middlemen)

Now, this theory was roughly reliant and in response to the Long Tail Theory, which is a business/marketing/strategy theory that doesn’t really hold up anymore, because of the powerful players in the industry adjusting algorithms and shoving the same big artists in our face over and over again. So it means that people aren’t connecting and finding artists in the way that they once were, because of “songs that you may like” or Twitter recommendations or sponsored ads or whatever, getting in the way. It’s harder to be a niche artist and gain the 1000 true fans or any fans at all, these days.

So, the direct fan to artist relationship is now so much different to what it was back in 2008. And there are heaps of middlemen in play. And everything is so expensive. And even if you were just getting $100,000 a year directly from fans, you would still be paying a heap of overheads running your own business/career.

Anyway

I refer to this theory mainly because it is so much more of a surefire way to have a long-standing and solid career, rather than jump in the deep end and try and spread yourself so thin to reach as many people as possible, that you actually miss out on True Fans and only receive casual fans. It’s the reliance on the algorithm, as opposed to the loyalty of your actual fans and fostering a community. And look… it works for some people. But oftentimes, these folks can end up as one hit wonders or have their career fizzle out hard and fast because they can’t rely on True Fans to buy everything they put out and engage with their posts. They’re seen as fake/money hungry/celebrities who don’t care about their fans. It’s just a different experience.

This theory is old, and works far better in relation to smaller artists when building a platform, and doesn’t super duper relate exactly to louis’ career by any means, but I will say that the dedication and fan loyalty that he has, in comparison to artists that have a more casual fanbase/not as many True Fans, will concrete his career and he wont fall. We won’t let him fall.

You can read the essay online, and also debates against it/updates to the world we live in now, and yeah, it doesn’t hold up as well anymore. But the point stands that if you have a dedicated amount of True Fans who will buy everything you put out, go to shows when you’re in town, engage with your content etc., you are way less likely to burn out hard. And he has our loyalty because of the artist-to-fan relationship we have. It’s not about quantity, it’s about quality. Having 1,000 fans who buy everything and go to your shows, over having 10,000 followers who barely engage with you, is a massive difference to a successful career, and is much to be said for the debates about louis’ streaming/follower numbers.

It may seem like common sense, but definitely is an interesting read when you deep dive into the essay. Anyway, that’s that!

[louisisalarrie]

Why isn't Louis playing Reading/Leeds, the most famous indie music festival in the world and one in his home country? These Euro festivals aren't raising his profile much.

Helloooooo anon! This wasn’t gonna be a welcome to the show, but alas, I got ahead of myself and time to burn before the next band bumps in. So, welcome to the show!

I would love to see him play Reading/Leeds, and think that he would fit really well into the 2024 lineup in terms of genre and level of fame. I think he’d love to play them too. It is definitely a shame. However, he is playing at Victorious Festival in Portsmouth, UK, at the same time as Reading/Leeds, which has a very cool lineup (IDLES, Snow Patrol, Fatboy Slim, Pixies etc.) too that he fits well in. So we should be excited for that too!

Sometimes it’s easy to get carried away with the names of festivals, also. While Victorious definitely is smaller, it’s not far off the capacity of Reading/Leeds.

Expected capacity for 2024 is:

- Reading/Leeds = over 200,000 over the whole weekend

- Victorious Festival = roughly 170,000 over the whole weekend

Honourable mentions of 2024:

- Coachella = 250,000, only sold around 200,000, down by roughly 14%-17% since 2023

- Glastonbury = 210,000 capacity, over 200,000 sold (with complaints and major issues with overcrowding this year)

So, while it’s smaller than the bigger names, the lineup is still fantastic and at a reasonable size.

You’ve also gotta remember that before the current festival even goes ahead, the organisers are already locking in tentative headliners and smaller artists for the next year. Festivals particularly are booked ridiculously in advance, much like stadium tours, to really gauge ticket sales, expected gross, capacity, and delivered fees for the artists and what they can offer them. So, even if louis’ managers pitched him for Reading/Leeds/Glasto last year, and the festival organisers maybe wanted to put a hold on him but not confirm due to current negotiations with other artists and their desired curated lineup, there is very little point for Louis’ team to just sit and hold out hope they’ll confirm him and miss out on other opportunities. Hell, he’s probably turned down a bunch of smaller festivals in hopes of the bigger ones, but getting an official offer from Victorious, he’s not gonna decline that to wait and see what happens with the bigger festivals. It’s a silly business mistake.

Plus, these offers all have expiry dates. If his manager/booking agent is pushing for an answer from Leeds/Glasto/Reading and still not getting one, because the offer from Victorious is about to expire with an already desirable delivered fee, well, he’s gonna take it. And idk, maybe he got declined from the bigger festivals for whatever reason too (I don’t see why), but shit happens.

Anyway, in terms of euro festivals, he’s been confirmed to play Zurich Openair in Switzerland on the 24th, which is still the same time as Reading/Leeds is on (and Victorious, but he’s only playing the Friday obviously). So he’s nabbed two festivals, with Zurich Openair also having high profile artists (Macklemore, Armin Van Buuren, Milky Chance etc.), in 2 different countries, with different demographics and genre diversity. Which is sick!

So, I mean, hopefully he gets nabbed for next year (even if he takes time off, I doubt he’ll turn down those festivals), and for now, he’s proving himself and securing his footing in the festival industry. Hell, there are a heap of artists that, while they do tour, stick to festivals and get picked for festivals due to proving their pull at said festivals, exclusivity arrangements, etc., and so this will, in the long term, be great for him.

It’s easy to fall down certain rabbit holes of “he deserves the big shows, he’s not getting enough attention” etc. and comparing him to Harry/other artists, but his career progression, in my opinion and from what I’ve seen by others, is going well and smoothly and safely. Which, ya know, his team aren’t taking huge risks, and I think they could sometimes be more ambitious, but he is getting more opportunities and even just over FITFWT, he has grown heaaaaps. I’d like to trust that his team is pitching him for the bigger festivals/lineups, im sure they are, but it’s just… is what it is.

Taking these Euro festival opportunities is all about securing a tighter, smaller growth, as opposed to shoving him onto big stages and hoping for the best. He’s just not there yet. But his fan to artist relationship relies on a close knit bond and loyalty, which is very unique these days, and will continue to build slowly but with a hell of a lot of strength behind him. It’s just different fan dynamics to many other artists.

So, I dunno, I hope this helps and clears things up a bit! I think these euro festivals are gonna do wonders for him. Faith in the Future, baby.

Thanks for the chats!

[louisisalarrie]

Do you think all of L‘s team members are involved in his personal life, his relationship and what’s going on with the kid? There are so many people who work for him. His management, the label, his band, the tour organisers, technicians, house staff, assistants, stylists and so on. Is it really possible to keep everything private or does L talk about his private things with to them as well? I’m sure his management, the label and O*i are involved, but the rest? Is there much more gossip than knowledge in the wider circle? What was it like the artists you’ve worked for?

holaaaaaa anon. im gonna welcome you to the show on this fine Monday evening!

L, as we know, is quite private. On top of that, he is still publicly closeted, so there needs to be some serious discretion here from his team, and from him.

Let’s break down a couple of things about all the positions you posted. Louis, and all artists, have a touring team, and a locals team. The touring team is his immediate employees, like Helen and Oli etc etc, locals are the crew that is hired in the place he is touring, to essentially save money. You’re not paying for flights, accom, work visas etc if you’re hiring staff in that country!

So, for clarity for everyone reading because i think definitions are really important here and there’s a lot of differences on how different artists do things. So, for louis:

Immediate team (A party): louis’ immediate team = louis, his stylist, assistant, managers, band, security etc like people who travel with him regularly to all territories and are on an ongoing contract with him like oli and Helen and Helene and his band etc.

Touring team (B party): so, this will include if he’s touring any techs (FOH, lighting, animation, video techs etc), stage managers, dancers, SFX specialists, photographers, chefs etc

Locals team (C party): the local techs who are already in said country, who work at the venues/are hired suppliers. This is often caterers, ground transport, + any of the positions listed in B party that hes not bringing along

And then you have a tour manager/production manager/rep.

So, artists don’t always have a tour manager on an ongoing contract. Sometimes they hire a different tour manager just based on their experience of that territory etc. But, then you have the promoter.

I’ve talked a bit about promoters on here before, and Live Nation are probably the most commonly known one and often tour the boys globally (there are exceptions there tho). So, anyway, live nation and all other promoters contract “reps” or tour managers for all their tours. These reps are sole contractors who do work for different promoters so are put on tours when they are available to do so. So, for Louis, and harry, and Niall down here - they all had a promoter rep as well as their touring tour manager. That rep works with the artist’s tour manager to make sure everything goes smoothly. That rep is a local, and is part of the locals team.

In the US, I believe things are a tad different and Live Nation and other promoters have actual employees that are reps. It’s a bit of a different market down here. But I digress.

Reps aint know shit about louis’ personal life. Promoters also don’t know shit about louis’ personal life. I can guarantee you that no one who works at live nation knows shit UNLESS they have accidentally heard of something or have been briefed if harry was joining louis on tour or whatever. But they keep everyone’s knowledge to an absolute minimum and make sure folks are across the NDAs and have signed (particularly if these folks are on the ground with the artist).

However, not every single staff member signs an NDA for specific tours. They go into a contract with the promoter who hires them, and that contract essentially has an NDA embedded in it. So it’s an all encompassing one.

Now, the majority of crew I’ve met, don’t give a fuck about the personal lives of celebrities. These guys work loooooong days doing (sometimes dangerous) hard jobs, and are just getting their pay check. I think the only time a small local crew (who are gonna be the ones actually around the artist, not riggers etc.) have had to sign a specific NDA after being briefed about why, was with harry and a couple of other major artists. But again, it’s a very, very small amount of people, and there’s great care taken in making sure there’s only a small amount of locals who could possibly overhear something/see something they shouldn’t.

So, in terms of knowledge, louis’ immediate crew would know. They would have to, because there’s gonna be times H will be there or whatever and also there’s every chance louis could slip up or whatever, and it’s simpler if they know but sign NDAs. Also his managers are involved because of the stunting and closeting he’s still tied to, and his label also. That immediate team needs to know. The touring (unless on an ongoing and specific long term contract), and the locals won’t know shit.

I think, after working with artists for so long in any capacity, the novelty kinda wears off. You see them as normal people. You don’t care about their secrets unlesss you’re previously invested. But you’re only put on those big tours if you’re the best of the best, anyway.

I’ve only worked with one other artist who’s closeted, and I was briefed and contracted For and in the loop because I was working backstage with them and their other famous partner was there secretly. The couple were very private and quite chill honestly, and I just had to keep my head down and move forward and know that it’s not my place. A lot of artists, if they’re less chill, don’t allow any locals near their section of the venue at all and it can be quite difficult to communicate over different parties. This isn’t just big secret artists btw, it’s also just an artist preference sometimes.

A lot of people definitely know about Larry, but it’s the people who need to. They are much more savvy these days with the amount of info that can leak now, comparatively to 10 years ago. Anyway sorry this is a bit of a jumble let me know if any questions!! I hope I’ve answered yours!!