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soupandsorcery · 1 year ago

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the thing i love so much about ciro and astarion so far is that they both just Need Someone. ciro isn't really fooled by astarion's flirting and charm. they don't believe him when he says 'hello, beautiful' or calls them 'my love'. they're so aware that astarion has an angle and some reason for getting close to them beyond wanting them. but they just don't care? it just feels nice to be wanted, and they were going to protect astarion anyway, so what's the harm?

#bg3 #bg3 spoilers #noah oc: ciro #tavstarion #the harm is that they both fall in love #ciro definitely falls first because the more little pieces of astarion's real self they see #the more they like him #they like his drama and his flair and the moments of vulnerability that he won't show to anyone else #they 100% go into it knowing they might get their heart broken #and have accepted that as okay because hey. maybe they won't survive the tadpole thing anyway #and at least they can have this before they have a tentacle filled death #it's a whole mess #ESPECIALLY because gale is right there pining #and ciro's like 'no i want the fangy one'#'who doesn't love me and probably never will'#jokes on you ciro my dove

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turtleblogatlast · 4 months ago

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[ cw: death mention / strangulation mention / stabbing mention / blood mention / self-sacrifice / codependency mention in tags / ]

I think a lot about how common it is for Raph to be the one to have direct focus put on him when Leo gets into all his near death experiences.

Like, when Leo is thrown off a building, it’s Raph who’s right there jumping after him, not even thinking about the consequences to himself when he does. When Leo almost gets skewered by the Krang, Raph’s right there to take the blow and send Leo to safety without a second thought. When Leo’s being strangled to near death, it’s a Krangified Raph doing the job, doing exactly what Raph would never, ever want to do. When Leo is telling Casey Jr to close the portal, it’s Raph who tries desperately to convince Leo otherwise.

Likewise, Leo is consistently very single minded when Raph gets forcibly separated from them. Both when in the sewers and by the Krang, Leo is dead set on finding Raph first and foremost.

I also think it’s interesting that during each of Leo’s near death experiences, the lightheartedness of his words during them goes directly hand in hand with both how close Raph is to him physically and how much danger Raph is also in in that moment. From a literal “I told you so” as Leo’s falling away from Raph to a soft joke about how “hero moves” are Raph’s style - both of these are on the more morbidly carefree side and both of these notably take Leo farther away from Raph and, in turn, have Raph not in immediate danger.

On the other side of things is the apology from Leo, heedless of the danger he himself is in as he seriously and genuinely speaks to a Krangified Raph face to face. Then there’s Leo’s freezing and desperation as Raph takes a hit meant for him and sends just Leo to safety, leaving Raph himself behind. Both of these involve much closer proximity and Raph being directly harmed - these together make Leo much more vulnerable in his words and actions, something not even the threat of death can make him.

These two care about each other so much, and they’re way too much alike for their own good.

#rottmnt #rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles #rottmnt raph #rise raph #rottmnt leo #rise leo #honorable mention to the time Leo desperately tried throwing himself into harm’s way to get to Karai #and Raph is the one who has to pull him back #I also think that it’s interesting how both of them go about self sacrifice #because wow they both have problems with it #Raph’s tends to be immediate reactions not even thinking as he throws himself over his bros #Leo’s are often shown to be ‘for the greater good’ (said greater good often being his family)#once again I am saying that post movie these two would likely have codependency issues #considering Raph’s already present acute seperation anxiety and Leo’s immediate memory of Raph standing over him bleeding #another thing to mention is how Future Leo’s actual death still falls into the whole ‘morbidly lighthearted words’ category #I also wanna point out that in Many Unhappy Returns the trust that Leo wants so much does NOT come from Splinter but from RAPH #side note but in regard to the fighting that Raph and Leo were up to during the time between the shredder and the krang #I think it’s interesting that it’s NOT depicted as screaming matches - very blatantly not this actually #also also! I totally love how the movie parallels Oroku Saki and Karai with Raph and Leo respectively #there are so many parallels in general in this show+movie it makes me froth at the mouth #and because it breaks my heart - the beginning of the movie had Raph getting angry at Leo and lashing out at him #the end of the movie has the Krang very very angry at Leo and lashing out at him #both of these times has Leo ‘ruining’ a mission so…bad parallels #in the movie as well there’s a Krangified Raph who beats Leo senseless #so I have to wonder if Raph and Leo just…can’t roughhouse anymore #else Leo would flinch or Raph would be so scared to accidentally hurt Leo like he was already used to do before #then suddenly their usual dynamic of Raph never having to be softer with Leo is thrown on its head #worse is if they’re so terrified of this dynamic leaving that they power through their own sufferings to maintain it

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fate-defiant · 1 year ago

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I can't believe they put my boy Mytho "does fucked up shit to himself because his entire identity and self image relies on being loved(in the right way by the right people)" and my girl Rue "does fucked up shit to everyone else because her entire identity and self image relies on being loved(in the right way by the right people)" togehter in the same show and never did anything to meaningfully juxtapose and explore All That

#princess tutu #rue #mytho #this is a gross oversimplification but you get it you understand #unstoppable selfishness vs immovable selflessness vs unstopable selflessness vs immovable selfishness #these two coulda been so insane their dynamic could've blown minds #i can;t tell you exactly how but it would've #what if the show ended not on them leavig entirely intentionally but lik #e #in the commotion of the story ending they just sorta fall bakc into the story and vanish into the real world #and their ending is them realizing they've both ended up in the fairytale.its not delibarate the way it was in the show #and like. rue has nowhere to go and mytho is still kinda lost in the sauce but they're both unsure how to feel and what to do #so they just kinda. pick a direction and hope for the best #this at least is how i'd tweak it to give us space to imagine they'll have the time to work through everything the show ran outta time for #otherwise id fucking. id tweak the actual show dangnabbit #but yeag.#its just like. there;s this preconcieved notion of the person you are meant to be and sometimes that constructed self has all these surviva #all these survival mechanisms that'll cloud your judgement and someitmes actively harm you the living being the real tangible organism #because you are sad ape and big leaf you need love and sunlight #but the self is an aesthetic it can survive on bad decisions #and a cookie cutter self no matter how painful is better than the uncertainty of being potentially literally anything because in the end #you are sad ape and a big leaf and you can just live however as long as theres love and light and fun and sustenance #and you die either way but the self is a character with a neat narrative attached and the ape is real and messy and uncertain #so the self fights for survival and takes over the sad ape #you Get It. You Understand.#fate.txt

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dragonsareawesome123 · 6 months ago

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Tristan from CW’s Nancy Drew and Monty from Dead Boy Detectives give off the same energy to me.

#they’re both very sweet and cute #they’re both supernatural entities (sort of)#they’re the love interests who never stood a chance #although i guess things were better for tristan bc nancy at least did like him back and they ended up dating for a bit #they get unwillingly dragged into their parents’ plans to harm the protagonists #they never asked for any of this all they did was fall in love and have big feelings about it 🥺🥺🥺#in conclusion they could never make me hate you fish boy and crow boy!!!#nancy drew #nancy drew cw #dead boy detectives #tristan glass #monty the crow #monty finch

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formal-frog-shoes · 19 hours ago

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Twiststuck stuff i just wanna get out

Im a huge Cater multi-shipper

Normally this wouldn't be a problem

BUT I CAN'T HAVE ALMOST EVERYONE IN THIS AU HAVE A FLUSH OR PALE CRUSH ON HIM THAT'S ABSURD!!!

#froge post #twiststuck #... theres so many good ships tho.#like riddle pale crush on him would be SO cute.#Though Riddle doesn't go through with it? Buuuut still might have lingering feelings of red and pale in the future?#(I will say this; Riddle ends up breaking quads but its Trey <> riddle but Trey is also his Auspistice. This freaks him out at first)#and Idia having a flush crush would be really funny too cause of how outgoing cater is #and idia's mind is like “woa... alien find me fun to be around?” and he gets a flush crush #I've already confirmed that Jade has a Pale/Flush crush on Cater though Jade isn't sure which one it is.#Jade also seems like the kinda troll who would mix his romances like doesn't quite follow quadrants and instead breaks them #Obviously Trey and Cater being in a relationship is a thing.#past or present? idk. but they've got something going on.#Malleus <3 Cater would be so good too #Prince Malleus learning about humans/ communication and other things from Cater and gains feelings of some kind Pale to Flush or something #Pale Crush Ace i think is a good idea but then Ace gets over it pretty quick. Same with Deuce probs. (these two red tho)#ROOK AND CATER?! LIKE ok that's a biiit of a Crackship? but like here me out???#Like Rook loves learning but also he's “trapped” in that little room and manages to see the world from Cater's pictures #and falls a bit for the photographer? who manages to capture the beauty of NRCBurb or whatever i call the game dfjsalkf #Vil and Cater is also good albeit probably one-sided on Cater's part? Though I can imagine Cater doing the good ol Sacrifice for him.#Cater will throw himself in harms away alot in this au actually.#if i write a narrative for it #Kalim and Cater being “Pale” despite both being human. Like Cater reigns Kalim in from his extravagant plans with more lowkey plans #also Cater did pretty much sacrifice himself for Kalim in the Playful Land event! so there's another point for self sacrificial Cater #I saw Jamil x Cater one time and I thought that was cute so that might be a one off joke-ish moment #floyd flush crush cater is also probably a one off joke too #during the “Jade thinks Cater is a purple blood era” and then loses interest when learning Cater is human. probably #watch me come up with more after posting #HOW DID THIS GET SO LONG HELLO???#Cater Diamond #twst

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huginsmemory · 10 days ago

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Maybe it's cause I almost religiously listen to glass animals album I Love You So F**king Much and am rotating Bill and Ford in my brain at immense speeds but I think some of the songs on it are very Billford. Wonderful Nothing is a BIG canon Bill song about Ford to me. Like FUCK.

It's about loving someone but being ultimately self-destructive and unable to save your relationship because you choose to continue to hurt them due to loving yourself most EVEN while still desperately loving the person. Like hnnngh LISTEN!!! Listen to ittt. PLUS ADDED SOME PERTINENT LYRICS BELOW THE CUT.

Wonderful nothing You just want something nice You just want substance I just wanna cut out both your eyes

Wonderful nothing You just want something kind I want corruption I think I'm the devil in disguise

Here's my state of mind Give me destruction Tell me I'm scrumptious I'm a fucking delight

I come back in with a one-two Sucker punch in the gut, here's a tissue Truth hurts when it points right at you ... I've just come back to life I'm here, I'm your little ray of sunshine

Your party's so damn tired Kinkiness pretty light and You're dressed up like a tiger But you're a fly stuck in my eye, and

What's that face? So you got some scrapes, but I'll pile drive you anyway And I hoped and I prayed I kept on thinking it'd all change one day

It's been a great gun fight You drew blood, I set myself on fire But you've had your time Oh, you've had your time, mm

Wonderful nothing I just want something wrong I want indulgence I just want to make it out alive

... You got big ideas, they're as shit as you Trying to self-combust just for an excuse

I'm the fly inside of your facial goop I'm a little hair sat inside your soup There's the rub, maybe I'm the fool I'm trying to stop, but I still love you

#hugin rambles #hugin rambles gf #gravity falls #bill cipher #ford pines #stanford pines #billford #glass animals #also the small blurbs on the vinyl accompanying papers on the song is like. oughhhhh so good. adds further dimension to the song.#ouuuughhhhh brainworms #seriously tempted to put tigether a lyrics and images post on billford on this. fuck #also the way the speaker in it also recognizes that they are harming their relationship. but also its all trauma response (i just #wanna make it out alive) because they are going off of survival instinct to stay alive (put myself first above all #even if they love another person... ugh fuckkkk #also like the way Bill legitimately loves Ford but hes too fucked up to stop. to take a step back and not be a monster. to admit that to #himself. the way he puts down ford only later for ford to move on and bill is nothing to him (hair in my soup)#the last line can go both ways too.. trying to stop hurting the other person but also perhaps trying to stop loving the other person?#or maybe perhaps its both...#also creatures in heaven has some lines that im like hmmm thats billford #Spotify

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bloodbathfortwo · 6 months ago

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What does everyone think of Nigel Forbes-Colbie ever getting pregnant? It doesn't matter how you interpret it: Omegaverse, males can get pregnant Au, Trans! Nigel. Just tell me your guys' headcanons of Nigel's pregnancy: The changes, the hardships, the softness, and the vulnerabilities.

#murderous intent #like minds 2006 #like minds #alex forbes #nigel colbie #Alex Forbes X Nigel Colbie #Nigel Colbie x Alex Forbes #If you guys haven't noticed my recent posts I've been feeling way too soft for this fandom #Like #Too soft #And it's both Nigel and Alex's fault for making me too soft when all I want is to cause chaos and do crimes #To be honest I'd like to Imagine Nigel's pregnancy as an arduous one: Swollen feet . Sore back. Weird cravings. Mood swings. Everything.#And he isn't used to seeing himself get swollen with life each and every day. While Alex is so gullible first thing in the morning because #of the baby bump growing every single day. And Nigel getting rounder every week.#Sure. Nigel is enjoying being pampered by Alex with all these services and gifts but sometimes he thinks that he isn't that attractive #Anymore for Alex. And that while he's carrying his children he will leave him like a used toy.#He'd have instances where he'd feel conflicting feelings for their child and think of possibilities of removing her from his body #But he'd soon regret it. He just breaks down into tiny little pieces of ever thinking of their daughter that way. His and ALEX"S #He can never stomach killing her. He can never stomach ruining her beautiful life that he has yet witnessed.#He still has his self-harm tendencies but he avoids it. He avoids harming his angel. His miracle. His life.#He wants to be a good father to his child. He wants to nurture her. Feed her knowledge and love. Cater to her needs and be at her beck #and call: be a father.#Alex knows what's happening to Nigel. They talk. And they talk everyday. He knows how much it can be hard for Nigel during his pregnancy #And he will always be there to protect his spouse and his unborn child.#He will spite their original purpose in order to create their own purpose. Which Nigel had a hard time letting go of.#It was hard. Seeing the history that made them into the people they are today. But it had to #they had to change #change for their family.#For their miracle.#And Nigel seeing Alex being this doting makes him fall for him ten times more

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lord-squiggletits · 8 months ago

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"Rodimus is a better Prime because it didn't hurt for him to bond with the Matrix while for Optimus it did" headcanon/theory my beloathed.

One day I'm literally gonna snap and make a whole post addressing why what's wrong bc I'm tired of the inaccuracy and tired of ppl not understanding the Point TM of IDW and its version of the Matrix/Primacy and even more tired of people putting down Optimus in favor of Rodimus by essentially arguing that being unworthy means you deserve to be punished/put in pain bc you just weren't good enough to hold the Symbol of Ultimate Authority

#it's wrong on so many levels both in terms of lore and as well as like what the general themes of idw1 are #it's just a validation contest using the matrix as some magical symbol to decide who's the most special #which is ironically something that was a plot point in exrid/OP. specifically how stupid of an idea that is ldskjflksd #ppl revealing that they havent read anything besides mtmte/ll as usual #like half the reason ppl think optimus is a bad prime and rodimus is a good prime is literally bc like #optimus was written by an author who was specifically trying to deconstruct him (sometimes to the point of absurdity)#and rodimus was written by an author who takes a more optimistic/idealistic approach. and is also better at writing #but also like am i seriously the only person who thinks that that argument is fucked up?????#like 'OP felt pain which means he's unworthy/not a real prime/not a true leader'#ok so you think that there's a hierarchy of moral goodness in which anyone who falls short of that Moral Ideal should suffer #as a sign of their unworthiness?? like does that not sound dystopian as hell to any of you?? why would you WANT the matrix to work like tha #even if the theory were true (which it isn't) why would you view the matrix as a good authoritative moral judge of character #if its idea of 'moral judgement' is to inflict pain on anyone who's supposedly not truly good/worthy #wasn't the entire point of the ending of LL (including rodimus being a good leader) that everyone is worth it?#like rodimus literally said 'you ARE damn well good enough' or something like that #so what? everyone else in the universe tries their best and that's enough but somehow when OP suffers it's like #a sign that he's not actually a good prime/leader?? we're really going with the punitive perspective purely for One Guy??#swear to god ppl are projecting their authority issues onto Optimus the way they shit on him for things they would excuse #if any other character did it #Optimus is uniquely deserving of pain/being marked as unworthy bc idk he was a cop once and that offends my delicate sensibilities #what's even funnier is how much harm was inflicted by rodimus as a captain sheerly due to his stupidity or ego but everyone forgives him #i guess bc as long as the matrix likes him that means he's valid no matter what he actually does as a person #WHICH IS SOMETHING IDW ITSELF ARGUED AGAINST BC A LOT OF THE PRIMES THAT WERE CHOSEN BY THE MATRIX #WERE DICKS AND THE FACT THEY COULD WIELD THE MATRIX DIDN'T MAKE THEM GOOD PEOPLE #like oh my god stop using the matrix as an arbiter of moral authority in idw1 it literally goes against the themes of the story #including the themes that are embodied in rodimus himself #idw op love

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transmasc-malleus · 9 days ago

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they really gave kiryu a half-hearted love interest for 1 game and immediately wrote her out of the series the very next game. i'd feel bad for her if i didnt dislike her as a character so much

#speaking in runes #yakuza #i mean good on them cause a COP? kiryu falling in love with a COP????#i will forever say kiryu was simply so broken he was looking for any connection to ANYONE and he mistook that desperation for love #same with kaoru she was desperate for connection and “fell in love” with the first person who gave that to her #if anything i would say their relationship was toxic........#kiryu's guilt at “causing” her father's death making it so he literally wants her to kill him #kaoru's close-minded prejudice and naivite making her threaten kiryu with jail and bodily harm every time he disagrees with her #their codependency that stems from intense trauma bonding causing them both to immediately accept death because “they'll die together”#leaving them to traumatize a small child because they're too wrapped in each other to compute anything else #like its BAD. i dont get how people still think theyre a good canon ship

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ypipie · 2 years ago

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gifs i made because erm im normal

#gravity falls #stanford pines #stanley pines #ford pines #stan pines #flashing #flashing gif #flashing cw #<- let me know if i should tag any more of these or do anything specific? because. erm. safety i dont want to harm #(both of these are affectionate don't get me wrong)#i love stan and ford so much they make me feel two different forms of affection though

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rawliverandgoronspice · 11 months ago

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oh no I stopped working for five minutes and remembered I love he...................... ;;

#thoughts #ganondorf #I allowed myself a tiny “working on thralls outline” session #and I do love he a lot.....#trying to salute all the classics #the “will harm a child and will not even question whether that's a look”#the “absolutely unbearable cocky bastard with a dash of absolute pettiness omg shut uppppp”#the “actually scary and sadistic and morally bankrupt for real”#the “I love my people and resent my people but I won't explore neither emotion otherwise I will fall apart and there's no one to catch me”#the “the gods hate me???? fuck the gods then!!!! but like... the gods hate me or no? ;;”#the “I hate hylian monarchs so fucking much it's unreal I am going to shoot myself in the foot just because I hate them so goddamn much”#the “awww twinrova and he... they love each other <333 VS maams will you please stop injecting mental illnesses into your Big Son”#the “mutually destructive relationship with anyone who ever gets even a little close to him which 10000% includes his own people”#the “wouldn't it be fucked up and important to take gerudo objectification as an actual problem with complex psychological consequences”#the “Me A Problem with Masculinity or Men or gender? hahahahaha.... yea”#the “Impa buddy-hate trainwreck + Nabooru buddy-hate planecrash”#the “hmmmm no why is the hylian princess and I having a brief flicker of mutual recognition but we both know it's too late for amends”#and the “mystic crisis that will slowly but surely unravel a whole man if given enough time and grievances and Ls”#ANYWAY I like this story #it's wayy too ambitious for my own good #but

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bunnyboy-juice · 4 months ago

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loregoddess · 7 months ago

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saw the first volume of Cursed Princess Club in the store last Sunday as I was walking by the manga section, and the name was so unusual that I looked it up online when I got home, and found out it was on webtoons to read for free, and just finished it, and holy shit

literally one of the best stories I've ever read

#I don't even know where to begin it's just insanely well-written but also so deeply emotional and wholesome and wonderful #also there's a lady with a were-spider curse tied to her menstrual cycle which gets discussed casually and like #I've never seen menstruation discussed by fictional characters in such a natural and no big deal way it was fucking awesome #but literally everything about every character was so very well-written and presented in such a good way #like I dunno curses as analogies for disabilities and how they don't lessen a person's worth #and how people are still people deserving of love and how difficult self-love and self-acceptance can be #but also how important it is but also how it still sucks to live w/ certain things #and how you can be both angry about something and accepting of it at the same time #but also about how superficial and socially/culturally constructed ideals of beauty and worthiness are and how they're totally fake #and potentially harmful and also how it's possible to work around and against and restructure those ideals #but also it's about princesses (and a couple princes) kicking ass and being cool and also just being human #also I gotta hand it to the author for having a lady who totally enjoys sleeping around and isn't shamed for it whatsoever #there's also a character who's basically aroace and despite two men falling in love with her like #as soon as they find out she's not interested in relationships they back off and respect that and still treat her as a friend #and I dunno that's just neat #like it's satirical fantasy that deconstructs so many different fairytale tropes but it's also so genuine and sincere #that it somehow circles back to embody the heart of a fairytale in all the best ways possible #anyhow it's absolutely worth a read #oracle of lore

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disastersteps · 11 months ago

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its only been a few months but i had completely fallen into mortum pit.

mortunita AND mortujulita is now part of my 'im so so so normal about them' club along with julita-

#myramblings #holds on face #listen it just works so well with neets!!#grabs neets shoulders tightly. you are soooo getting love'd as twice as double as gayness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#look. ortega makes neets hate her then falling in love with her asshole-y self but still its. ortega.#then you have mortum who neets find themself just. wishing theyre themself. shopping about tech with her. they dont Realized theyre in love #since neets a demi lesbian- their thembo ass is gonna be a while before they realized 'oh i really LOVE mortum. fuck!!'#listen their lvoe for jules is still strong as ever and its HURTING #and mortum feel like a breather. but its also like.#i want them both. says the one who chose to be a villain so they can unleash that anger into the justice on these that harm them and and an #grabs neets and shakes them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#anyway. ahem #hi this is what my brain had commited to /lightheart

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thatscarletflycatcher · 2 years ago

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It's funny because sometimes I'll get very angry and frustrated about something IRL, and my brain will just take all that anger and frustration and dump it into some old or new fandom thing I hate.

#Right now I'm trying to learn machine knitting and it's very difficult #So of course I'm thinking again about how much I hate the D*usy #And D*isy in general #pathetic whiny worthless irritating diva that she is #My most hated Marvel female character so far #she only cared about herself and everyone had to live and bend for her #her decisions to disobey were always bad and always harming the team and the mission #And the series insisted so much we the audience needed to love her #And all I wanted was to punch her face #anywayts #then they went and paired Sousa with her #what an insult to both Sousa and Peggy #A man does not recover from such devotion to such a woman #I would have gotten Sousa falling for Elena or even May much more easily #Like you know both went through a whole lot of shit #Neither of them was a beloved child with a whole organization behind her keeping her alive and safe her whole life #and yet none of them was woe me all the time and wow look how fabulous and strong and also how tortured #gah #anyways moving on

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longagoitwastuesday · 2 years ago

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One thing about me is that I will stand by basically every bad deed of my favourite characters fully aware of them being bad deeds. I just don't care

#'He destroyed an entire city and tried to destroy the world *twice*!!!'#Yes and he was right to do so. The motives are good and the city is fake anyway. Drown it in the abyss‚ dear boy #'He caused the fall of Camelot!' have you considered Guinevere and him wanted each other desperately and with a heart wrenching longing?#I don't care about Camelot #'He manipulated children to get his way!' again good motives. That's actually my favourite trait of them. Cheers #'He was the cause of kids dying!!!' Yes and it was quite the rational choice both times. And he wanted to go home to his wife and kid #Quite sweet of him #The other wanted to see his most important person again and ease their loneliness. I couldn't care less about the children dying #It's the 'absolute loyalty and devotion to someone means betraying everything else' approach #They do shitty things to everyone else but don't harm what matters to them the most‚ or not on purpose?#They can go wild. I'll support them in every step #Slay Gawain even if I love him. Cut heads off. Manipulate and kill children. Destroy the world. Steal from the kid you raised. Have fun #I'll bring you a snack and some water when you're done!#I talk too much #I should probably delete this later #The examples here are Heathcliff‚ Jack Vessalius‚ Lancelot and Odysseus #but I'm really okay with basically everything my faves do every time #In Ovid' Heroides it is said in one of the letters that Helen wanted to be kidnapped #I like the potential of the idea. As if trying to gain glory‚ reclaiming it as her right as daughter of a god‚#and doing so in the way she can in her condition of woman (as opposed to someone like Achilles)#What can I say. I don't care if Hector dies and Odysseus is lost for twenty years #I mean‚ I do. I love them. But also... Good for her. Go take your glory‚ girl #Medea murders the kids? Avenge yourself. Clytemnestra murders Agamemnon? Avenge your daughter. Eat him later if you want #I don't stand by this interpretation (or not entirely) but is Cathy dying 'on purpose' to hurt Heathcliff and Edgar?#Destroy their lives. I love you #I just don't care. I fully support their wrongs. They're actually rights 😔#'He is scamming and manipulating people' is particularly funny to me because that's not even all that bad?#It's always the best trait of the characters that do so #And idk maybe the scammed manipulated people could have been smarter about it

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