#the Cuban missle crisis

[ambriel-angstwitch]

Let’s talk about the (fictional) historical and political implications of Pixar’s Incredibles.

I did a post on this before a year ago but I just watched it again and found even more stuff to talk about.

So for those of you that don’t know Incredibles is set in the year 1962 which granted Disney might have done purely for aesthetics but the implications that could have are insane.

To start off Super Powers

All of the characters we see with Super powers (other than of course the children) are of an age where they could have enlisted in the army for World War II.

Now this makes me wonder if superhero’s were made by the government for the war. (A la Captain America)

Another thing that might back up supersoldiers initially being super soldiers is the fact that Syndrome seems to be surprised that they made super babies.

He didn’t hunt down any other supers kids despite the fact that he’s hunting all supers.

Which means he probably didn’t know they’d be super. All evidence leads to the belief that Helen and Bobs generation were the first super generation. So he wasn’t aware that the super trait could pass down.

(You may say oh incredibles 2 had people of all ages! I say Pixar forgets its own storyline so it doesn’t factor into my theory. If syndrome hunted down the supers why are there still supers? Because Pixar wants to make money with no regard to lore that’s why)

And even if the supers aren’t government created you would assume that the government would still take advantage of them in war time.

Like how would having these super soldiers affect the war? Do all the countries have supers?

Second Topic is Syndrome canonically makes his money by making weapons and selling them.

Which means Syndrome was most likely helping both sides of the Cold War.

Not only that the story is set in 1962

1962 and weapons?

Is that ringing any bells?

Well it should because that’s the Cuban Missle crisis.

Did syndrome partially cause the Cuban missle crises in this universe?

He probably at least contributed to it because he’s making the missles

Then on top of that this guy is making space ships so he might have even been helping countries with the space race.

[fuddlyduddly]

this will be entering my permanent lexicon i fear

[diablo1776]

Clayton Morris - Redacted News

If you have 10 minutes, it's worth the watch. Shit is about to get interesting on our soil very soon.

[likehephaestionwhodied]

If your shift manager said "I avoided that crisis so well you could call me Jack Kennedy" would you laugh? Also would you think said manager handled the situation well or poorly?

[orc-boar-dyke]

Do u think that during the Cuban Missle Crisis when Krushchev asked Kennedy if the plane he shot down was a spy plane, Kennedy responded yes, threw his phone and buried his face in his pillow?

[themightyfoo]

62 years ago today was the closest the world has ever come to global thermonuclear war when the US Strategic Air Command went to DEFCON-2 for the first and only time

October 14, 1962: The Cuban Missile Crisis begins.

One of the defining and tensest moments of the Cold War, “the ultimate exercise in nuclear brinkmanship”, began on this day in 1962, when an American U-2 aircraft obtained images of Soviet nuclear missile installations in Cuba. By placing missiles a mere hundred miles or so off the shores of the United States, the Soviets hoped to counter any American attempts to oust the communist regime in Cuba and play out its role as a leader against Western imperialism; however, the move was also one that Khrushchev stated “would equalize what the West likes to call ‘the balance of power’”. Some - including President Kennedy - interpreted Khrushchev’s challenge as a prelude to a planned Soviet takeover of West Berlin. 

After much deliberation and considering options ranging from nothing to full-scale invasion, the U.S. decided to “quarantine“ Cuba through a naval blockade, also warning that it would "regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba against any nation in the Western Hemisphere as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States, requiring a full retaliatory response upon the Soviet Union”. At the same time, an ExComm memorandum noted that the presence of these missiles on Cuba did not significantly upset the pre-existing balance of power. In an interview conducted 25 years later, Robert McNamara stated that U.S. demands that the missiles be removed were politically, not militarily, motivated. The crisis and diplomatic stalemate continued over the following weeks. On October 26, the Strategic Air Command was ordered to DEFCON-2: the alert state signifying a hyper-alert state of military readiness preceding possible nuclear war. DEFCON-2 had never before been ordered, and was thereafter never ordered again, reflecting the widely-held belief that the Cuban Missile Crisis was the highest point of tension between the United States and the Soviet during the Cold War, and that for two weeks, the world sat on the brink of nuclear war. 

That situation of worldwide catastrophe was avoided through accords that involved the removal of Soviet missiles from Cuba, the removal of American missiles from Turkey and Italy, and an American guarantee to respect Cuba’s territorial sovereignty.

[bargainsleuthbooks]

The Shadow of War: A Novel of the Cuban Missile Crisis by Jeff Shaara #BookReview #ARC #NetGalley #JFK #RFK

A new novel goes inside the White House during the #CubanMissileCrisis. #TheShadowofWar doesn't have to do much to create that sense of fear that the world could have blown up during those #thirteendays in 1962. #NetGalley #ARC #BookReview #JFK #RFK

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[charlesoberonn]

Cuban Missle Crisis... 2!

[chicago-geniza]

Just read a stunning fanfic summary that I can only paraphrase as "alternate timeline where the Cuban missle crisis wasn't averted but radiation from the nuclear bomb made A/B/O biology real"

[triviallytrue]

idk maybe this is actually a really common view but. to me i feel like espionage between The Big Empires is just unironically good. both sides need to know the other isn't gonna pull some crazy fuckshit. the closest we've gotten to really bad things happening (see: Cuban Missle Crisis) seem like they were inflamed significantly by not knowing what the fuck was going on.

[dreamofstarlight]

I don't mean to be rude here. But it frustrates me that Marilyn Monroe's fans blamed John and Bobby for her death. I'm sorry, but I have a huge gut feeling they have nothing to do with that. I think Monroe's fans are just blaming anyone about what happened to Marilyn. I'm pretty sure JFK and RFK had too many things in their hands. The very least thing they should be worried about was Marilyn. These guys were dealing with Bay of pigs, Vietnam, Civil Rights, and the Cuban Missle Crisis. Why would John and Rob wanted to unalive her? If these fans use their common sense. Don't you think it is odd she died in 62 and the following year John's assassination and then a few years later RFK died? Rob and John definitely were not involved with Monroe's death even if she did get murdered. Sorry for the long rant, I try not to become a conspiracy theorist, but something wasn't adding up back in the 60s. Also these authors milking Marilyn Monroe and The Kennedys need to stop. They are adding a lot of oil into the fire. I don't buy these stories whatsoever because they weren't there to even know Monroe as a person and that goes the same for the Kennedys family.

You're not rude at all and I agree completely! I've made it known that I have doubts about how involved JFK and Marilyn were with each other and if they had the long winded affair that has been reported. Those that are considered knowledgable on marilyn's life and career have said that the conspiracy theory that jack and bobby had any involvement in her death is incorrect and there's little to no basis to it. The 60s were a crazy time and there was a lot of turmoil, I'm not someone who necessarily subscribes to any conspiracy theories around those who were killed because it was really just a very intense time especially with things changing socially and politically.

[objectsarebestest]

So, while I was doing some research for being POSIC+, I came across this article. And I decided I should break it down for any other POSIC+ individuals who come across it. I know the majority of POSIC+ individuals have plush or toy companions (I’m cuddling my doll companion as I write this), so I’m going to try to defend our companions.

Off to a great start here. This is basically boomer clickbait. “Click here! We’ll tell you how great you are and how much better you are than every other generation!” Notice how they make a claim, “This generation is the weakest” and attempt to back it up with “More adults are sleeping with stuffed animals”. They’re insinuating there’s a connection. Let’s see if they can convincingly prove that.

Their statistics seem to be correct? That’s how I stumbled across this article, looking for statistics on adults with stuffed animals. So I’ll at least give them that. Note how they start off with a question that raises more questions. What do you mean by “soft”? How soft is too soft? How exactly are we linking stuffed animals to being soft? (I mean, stuffed animals are soft, but I don’t think that’s how they’re using the word.) Let’s see if they can answer any of those questions.

Again, they seem to be using good sources. I don’t know if a blanket claim like “Adults use stuffed animals as coping mechanisms to soothe anxieties and other health-related problems” is a good idea, since it implies all adults with stuffed animals use them for this purpose. The majority likely do, but not everyone. Also note that they quote someone saying that these days people are more open about having stuffed animals. So how do you know there are really that many more adults with stuffed animals now? Could it be that previous generations weren’t as open about it?

Well, this is… interesting. Notice how they seem to imply that racism and sexism don’t exist anymore. They were endured by previous generations, but they’re gone now. Also, let’s take the most recent examples from this list, threat of nuclear extinction and segregation (Cuban Missle Crisis and the end of segregation were both in the 1960s). Psychiatry was just beginning to be recognized as a science. More treatments were being developed, patient advocacy was starting, and asylums were being closed. But there was still a long way to go towards destigmatization. How do you know those previous generations didn’t experience anxiety that wasn’t safe to express?

“An era of unprecedented wealth”. Huh. Tell that to the people who are struggling to buy a house. Era of unprecedented inflation, more like it. But I guess all those people need to just pull up their bootstraps and eat less avocado toast, huh? Also, did it never occur to you that “easily accessible, limitless knowledge” might be harmful? That it could allow people to scroll through page after page of terrible things that are happening? One more thing. You say that you support people “overcoming adversity and perseverance”. How is that incompatible with stuffed animals?

Interesting how you bring up WWII soldiers, given how often they experienced “combat fatigue” or what would be later called PTSD. According to the National WWII Museum, 40% of medical discharges during the war were psychiatric ones. Shouldn’t you be glad mental health is taken more seriously now?

Anyway, hope you had a good laugh at some angry boomers. Go hug your teddy bear.

If I made any errors in this, please tell me and I’ll fix them.

[diablo1776]

Cuban missle crisis part 2

[peonycats]

What's your interpretation of Cuba's and America's relationship pre-missle crisis since they were probably on good terms after the Spanish America war

Oh they weren’t on good terms after the Spanish American War bahaha (or to put it another way, it’s complicated)

Carlos and Alfred were definitely aware of each other from a fairly early point in their history. Lots of illegal trade took place between the southern colonies then states and the Cubans, and many of the first advocates for Cuba leaving the Spanish Empire proposed American annexation as the alternative. This was somewhat reciprocated, as the American Founding Fathers frequently kicked around the idea of annexing the US and there were several attempts by the Americans to buy Cuba from Spain, though always turned down. However, there were also voices in the Cuba independence movement who were against US annexation and were heavily critical of any humanitarian reasons the us purported to have in annexing Cuba, most notably José Martí. Additionally, the Cuban exile community in the US played an outsized impact in both the struggle for Cuban independence and Cuban-American ties and many of them would go on to help organize rebellions.

I'm not entirely certain of their personal relationship at this time but I don't really think Carlos lived abroad in the US for an extended period of time. After the loss of the mainland South American colonies (esp Mexico), Cuba became the replacement treasure of the empire and thus, was all the more tightly controlled and ruled. Maybe Alfred and Carlos weren't friends (if anything, Carlos is probably more likely to have closer relationships with the southern United States, especially Florida), but they were probably on amicable terms.

Following the Spanish American war and the several on and off Cuban struggles for independence, Carlos had been put through the wringer after years and years of Spanish crushing of Cuban rebels, and the resulting scrutiny and burden that Cuban civilians had been placed under due to many of them providing support to the rebels. It would be undeniable that Carlos would react to Alfred helping to finally bring the conflict to the end with relief, but I also think he reacted to Alfred's entrance with some bittersweetness- the Cubans had spent three years fighting tooth and nail, and in three weeks, Alfred and the Rough Riders had finished the whole shebang and basically stolen the entire show. This was no longer about the Cubans' long struggle for freedom, this was about America's first step onto the world stage as a global power ⭐

The initial promise of the throwing off of Spanish power and America's rise Carlos saw was soon replaced with the more disappointing reality. The sentiment that only the name of the regime had changed was certainly something he felt, and there was an unmistakable racial lens to the relationship between Alfred, a white passing man, and Carlos, someone visibly not white, and how the former treated the latter. Most of the US regime's dealings were done through the Cuban exile community, US-educated white Cubans already familiar with US culture, and US rule effectively shut out Afro-Cubans from politics. For the black independence fighters who had fought for years for a racially equitable Cuba, this was disappointing, to put it lightly.

The disillusionment was not one sided, as Alfred was likely annoyed at how expensive Carlos was being and how not sufficiently grateful he was for liberating him from Spain. This was only further solidified when American rule was far more short-lived than he expected, as Cubans voted for the independence-minded parties in the subsequent elections. Then when Alfred proceeded to finagle and gaslight his way into justifying why actually, Cuba, still needed him and thus, the creation of the Platt Amendment and consequent strong arming Cuban legislators to adopt that into the constitution. Needless to say, neither were on good terms.

[leolaroot]

OKAY. I SHOULDVE KEPT WATCHING.

YOU DID NOT PUT YOUR STUPID SHIP. THROUGH A WORMHOLE.

[telltaletypist]

i need a sequel to death of stalin about the cuban missle crisis tho