#that would be one helluva crossover

[bloodmoon24]

Just woke up from a nap just to tell you my dream real quick that I dreamt of Bezel and Trazuil doing the Deadpool and Wolverine Honda car scene, but it was 50 times more sexually charged and aggressive--and at one point when it cut to a scene to show the outside of the car and Vox and Alastor were there for some reason just making out.

-📼 anon

Marvel, Chikn Nuggit, and RadioStatic into one dream? Do this in as a movie and I’ll be the first one in line

[shadowsketches]

Hoot hoot!

[randommmthoughts]

POV

Blitzø

Meets

Venom horse

[kame-artist]

Inktober Day 16: Crossover

If I had a nickel for every gay Italian in the Hellaverse being exploited by their boss, who also had a pansexual love interest trying to make them feel better about themselves...

[tooni-the-demon-gal]

I'm telling you now, I have plans that I cannot share with you right now because the haters will sabotage me. I have plans that I cannot share with you right now because the haters will sabotage me. I have plans that I will not share right now because the haters will sabotage me.

[thespaceyace]

Haven’t actually seen trolls 3 yet but I can’t stop thinking about Velvet performing with the Glam Sisters

[gctchella]

Before all is said and done, I need to see Lucifer acting as the Ringmaster, the Deadly Sins as their Circus roles, and Lilith as the Songstress.

[victusinveritas]

Jeri Ryan and Lucy Lawless from their TV Guide photo shoot. This would have made for one helluva crossover episode and a lot more fanfics (because we know some somewhere have to exist).

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss crossover feels so much like fan service. It makes no sense, lore wise, for them to be friends. Charlie clearly doesn’t give a shit about the hellborns (even tho they’re the ones who can’t even control being in hell) and Blitz technically contributes to the overpopulation problem bc he and his crew murder humans and most of them end up in hell (and honestly if Blitz was the same character he was in s1, i feel like he wouldn’t believe in the hotel anyway). So, if the worlds of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss somehow collided, why would they be friends? I mean if they weren’t, I think it could maybe be interesting, but based off that teaser video it seems like that’s the direction vivzie’s gonna go and I would not be surprised at all."

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[warblogs17282]

Now that helluva boss season 2 has hit it's finale, let's discuss everything we know about season 3 at this point in time!

aka, a comprehensive list of everything about season 3 that we've been told about so far. (Please tell me if I've missed anything, thanks!)

I do not think that any of this information necessitates a spoiler tag on this post, but if you want to go into season 3 completely blind, click off this post now.

Bluesky Stuff:

What we learned from this bluesky thread posted shortly before Sinsmas was released is as follows:

The wait until Season 3 starts will be quite long.

The team decided that helluva boss having closer releases of episodes was the best decision (heard this meant a month in-between episodes but I forgot where I saw that), so thee team wants to commit to a more traditional release going forward.

Confirmed once again that season 3 has a total of 15 episodes.

We will also be getting shorts in-between the wait until season 3 starts, and I assume this means monthly shorts as well, based on the fact we had monthly shorts last time as well.

Vivziepop has also described season 3 as a 'queer roller coaster.', so we gotta be prepared to get back on that ride again.

At some panel it was confirmed that in season 3 we will be getting an episode that contains some more Millie backstory.

Tweet link here:

In some other panel, alongside confirming Vassago's appearance in the Mastermind episode, they also confirmed that we will be seeing 'much more' of Vassago in season 3, the post in the picture above contains the clip of this moment in the panel as well.

In what appears to be a recording for the second half of season 3, they're doing recording work for a Stolas song titled 'Dirty Bird', and yes, it is going to be super horny. There is a video of this Instagram post on the post below, plus one extra screenshot.

In the Los Angeles Comic Con 2024, quite a few things were revealed to us, with those being as follows:

As said before, this traditional release schedule does mean that the episodes will hopefully be a month apart from each other, and that Vivziepop saw the show was moving towards a more narrative direction, with this also being where the heart of the show is, and as a result, the direction the team is going in.

Lastly, we probably won't see all 72 Goetias, but we will see a lot more of them in season 3.

Post referenced in above screenshot contains a youtube link to said Comic Con.

According to the reblogs under this post, it appears that Erica (Loona's VA), was asked what her favorite song/episode was, and she responded with 'the song that Loona has in season three', confirming that Loona does have a song during season 3.

Video can be found within this post:

At 1:06:19 of this video, Vivziepop does state that the show will eventually get to Stella's perspective, which I have to imagine the show will get to in season 3, and that Vivziepop hearkens Stella's character to the character of BoJack Horseman's mother (Beatrice Horseman) because they are very similar in that regard.

Finally, Vivziepop posted these screenshots of her doing some audio editing to her Instagram over a year ago, we don't know what episode this is from but based on the long name in line 7 that doesn't appear to match any character we know at the moment, this appears to likely be a picture of some season 3 audio.

The main things we can gather from these screenshots appear to be Millie talking with Stolas a bit, and the absolute explosion of voices following something that Blitz said.

Post where I found these screenshots from can be found here, some additional discussion regarding is also in the reblogs:

This YouTube video covers a few instagram videos covering recording footage that Vivziepop uploaded to her account, with them being from the first half of season 3.

What we learn from these instagram videos is that Wally Wackford returns in season 3 with some new lines, and there's also a courtroom scene as well involving Blitz and Stolas, with it also looking like Stolas will be acting as defense for Blitz regarding something we don't know at the moment.

According to Vivzie's instagram, we will be seeing Anthony Padilla and Ian Hecox (You might have heard of them before from something called Smosh) be the VAs of some special future characters at some point during season 3.

In this helluva boss podcast that Brandon Rogers did, Brandon Rogers stated that season 3 has a packed cast of guest stars, and then mentioned that we'll be seeing people from Brandon Roger's universe, aka, his own YouTube channel, in the hellaverse at some point during season 3.

In a helluva boss QnA panel, it was confirmed that we will be seeing more of Blitz's circus past at some point, and of course, that also means that we're gonna get more flashbacks to traumatic moments in Blitz's life as well in regards to his circus past, trauma flashbacks if you want to call it that. (Credits to Lexipop398 for transcripting all of the QnA, can find the full transcript of the QnA here, do note that you have to be signed into bluesky to view the post, however.)

To wrap things off, I believe the next significant reveal or such regarding season 3 will be found in the 2025 LVL UP EXPO, as there are quite a lot of VAs involved with Helluva Boss there, plus Sam Haft and Vivziepop.

Especially considering that in the 2024 LVL UP EXPO, the first helluva boss short was shown, we got the song featured in s2 e8, 'When I See Him' and the season 2 trailer.

[anthurak]

Something I was always a little concerned about in the lead-up to Hazbin Hotel was that Charlie was going to be a bit too passive of a character, ie; leaning only into the ‘kind, optimistic Disney-Princess-in-Hell who just wants to help everyone’ vibe and not really have much else going on as a character. Which in turn would make her feel kind of bland next to the big, over-the-top or dramatic personalities like Angel Dust and Alastor.

But thankfully, that is not what happened and there’s actually a lot that I like about what the writers are doing with Charlie, particularly in the potential future development and reveals they seem to be setting up.

First off, I like how Charlie generally comes off more like an over-the-top caricature of that ‘Disney-Princess-in-Hell’ vibe, ie; SUPER energized, enthusiastic, affectionate and emotional, often to overbearing degrees that get on everyone’s nerves. It’s generally funny, or at least amusing, and lets Charlie stand out alongside the other big personalities in the cast. Funny enough, she’s actually a lot like Blitzo in this regard, minus the seesawing into extreme abrasiveness.

And more importantly, we’ve already gotten major hints all but confirming that this over-the-top personality is largely a façade, and that Charlie actually has some very clear issues and baggage that she’s working VERY hard to keep buried beneath the surface. Again, much like Blitzo.

Like how in the trust-fall exercise in episode three, despite asking everyone to reveal something personal, Charlie actually bullshits just as hard as Angel Dust and Sir Pentious with her whole ‘I love you all!’ bit. Sure, it’s not like she was lying or being insincere, but it’s clear that was NOT something truly personal for Charlie. And in episode 4 we have Husk straight-up calls out Charlie as ‘wanting to solve everyone’s problems but her own’.

Then of course we have the brief glimpses we’ve seen of Charlie getting angry. Both the times we’ve seen Charlie dealing with some truly despicable and horrendous characters, we’ve seen that rather than lacking the ability to get angry, Charlie is often working to hold herself back. In both her encounters with Adam and Valentino we see points where Charlie is clearly NOT intimidated or afraid of them at all and seems fully prepared to throw down, only being stopped by reigning herself in or by someone else (in this case Angel) stopping her.

Again, it all paints Charlie’s big, bubbly, hyperactive exuberance as something of a front, a way for her to bury a lot of thoughts, feelings and general baggage she doesn’t want to face. Just like what the show has already explored with Angel and Husk.

It actually raises some interesting questions as to what’s REALLY driving Charlie in running the hotel and trying to help Sinners. For one, Husk has already pegged Charlie as ‘wanting to solve everyone’s problems but her own’. And going back to thematic crossover with Helluva Boss, I can’t help but see some potential parallels between Charlie creating the Hazbin Hotel, and Blitzo creating Immediate Murder Professionals.

I think it’s pretty clear at this point that half the reason for creating I.M.P. was as a coping mechanism for Blitzo, or rather the assassination business in general. Something that we’ve gotten hints to as early as the second episode in Blitzo’s back and forth with the Robo-Fizz (“Does anyone love you, Blitzo?”/“No. But I’m really good with guns now!”). With the other half of the reason Blitzo created I.M.P. clearly seems to be to create a surrogate family, as seen with how much he tries to insert himself in the M&M’s lives. Possibly even a specific attempt to replace the family he unwittingly destroyed fifteen years ago.

So I really have to wonder if we’re going to find out that Charlie creating the hotel and her goal of redeeming sinners is in part likewise a coping mechanism and escape for her own baggage.

It’s actually really interesting how episode two first introduced the idea of people opening up with Sir Pentious, then episode four dived further into the concept of the walls and fake personas people put up to hide from their pain and trauma with Angel Dust and Husk. With those two opening up and starting to let their walls down to each other, and by extension we the audience, I think it makes Charlie’s own façade all the more noticeable. It’ll be pretty interesting if Charlie actually winds up being the toughest nut to crack when it comes to opening up about their real issues and baggage. Yet another interesting trait she shares with Blitzo.

All in all, I’m really liking what the show has been doing with Charlie as a protagonist. And I’m REALLY interested to see where the story is going to take her.

Particularly what’s going to happen when she reaches a breaking point…

[blitzwhore]

So apparently at LVL Up we're gonna get "possibly the BIGGEST news in Helluva Boss history" (AAAAAAAAAHHHH) so here's a random poll with all the things I personally think the news could be!

If you could only choose one...

I don't think it's gonna be a Hazbin crossover because then they'd be "biggest Hellaverse news", not just Helluva Boss news. I also don't think things like star guests, physical media releases or trailer releases would classify as the biggest news, but I could be wrong about the star guests, I guess!

[crooked-wasteland]

Thoughts on Viv selling fully out to Amazon?

Is it appropriate to say I called it? Since I do believe when analyzing Spindlehorse's financial signals I mentioned that this was a very likely outcome if my information was at least accurate.

On one hand, Medrano has mentioned wanting to have crossovers for her series but was very unsure of if that would be a possibility, especially since she wasn't interested in giving up any more creative control.

On the other hand, you know for a fact that if Helluva Boss was as successful as it was in its first season, it would be making more money than the licensing was worth in the long run and she would have very quickly given up on the effort, unless she genuinely thought this was the best route forward for her production.

What I'm saying is this is one hell of a way to say you lost confidence in your financial situation.

But I think there is something a lot of Critics need to come to terms with quickly here:

There is no cancelling Vivienne Medrano.

Her shows will be finished. She will be paid no matter what. Even if the shows are major flops, she still gets to laugh all the way to the bank.

So the best way to actually have an impact is to just stop talking about her shows.

They aren't that good, they aren't complex, they aren't even for you. They aren't being made for anyone but Medrano herself, and even if she is the only person watching her shows moving forward, she still gets paid the same.

So why even bother anymore? All you do is keep her relevant by bringing her up. By not talking about her, not letting her name or her shows trend in the algorithms and not engaging, even in negativity, with her works is how you keep her from getting more successful. If you really think she never deserved it and that she's a terrible person to have succeeded, just forget about her existence.

[wishful-thinking64]

Hazbin Hotel & Helluva Boss Rewrite Ideas #01

I truly believe that both shows have a lot of untapped potential that we'll unfortunately never get to see thanks to Viv refusing to take criticism and the fact that her writers are all yes men. However, that doesn't mean I can't give out rewrite ideas like they're candy to those who wish to tap into either show's said potential. With that being said, here are some rewrite ideas that you could use for Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss! ______ #01.) Have Mrs. Mayberry become one of the residents of the Hazbin Hotel. I promise you, this one writes itself. #02.) Have Glitz & Glam be Fizz's rival co-workers to parallel his time in the circus when he worked with the Buckzo twins who acted more like a family to him. #03.) Write some new workers for the Hazbin Hotel since they're still severely understaffed. You could make these new employees a Hellborn, a Sinner, an Overlord, or Goetia royalty if you wanted too. The possibilities for this one are endless! #04.) Let Heaven contrast with Hell based on how they operate. For example, in my rewrite for the Hellaverse, Heaven doesn't use currency at all. It quite literally doesn't exist up there. Instead, they use the Bartering System as they view it to be the most fair exchange of goods and services. #05.) Have there be a character who doesn't belong in Hell but got sent there anyway for whatever reason. I'd recommend using Valoris (my take on renaming Vaggie) if you don't mind keeping her as a fallen angel or using her original Sinner backstory however I feel like Amélie (I renamed Emily solely because her name is so common. It's not bad but you can tell that there was barely any thought put into it either.) could work just as well since she'd be a fallen Seraph. #06.) Make Lucifer and Stolas evil as they were originally intended to be before Viv scrapped the idea in favor of something worse. Stolitz is a toxic ship no matter how much damage control and retconning Helluva Boss tries to do and when initially asked about how Lucifer would act later in the series on an old livestream, Viv originally wanted to have his character be on par with that of Willy Wonka so do with that information what you will. #07.) Allow for Charlie's, "Anyone can be redeemed," mentality to constantly be challenged by those around her. Don't be afraid to have her be in the wrong because we all know that not everyone can be redeemed. Some people (Valentino) truly aren't deserving of it and others won't be accepting to change. You can lead a horse to water all you want but the horse has to decide to drink it. #08.) Create a proper foil ship for Fallen Star (I hate using the ship name Chaggie) cause if even Stolitz can have one in the form of Fizzmodeus then Fallen Star should have one too. Most people opt to use Emilute but I'm a damn GuitarSpear shipper so I opted for a crossover ship that has Emily and another character from Helluva Boss instead. Listen, if a rare pair and joke ship like CherriSnake can become canon over a ship like Sir Pentious x Rosie that actually makes sense when you consider they're from similar time periods, then a crossover ship being in my AU rewrite is the least of my problems.

For context, here's a screenshot for one of the HH mockup episodes before Viv and her team decided to scrap it. Like the majority of the HH mockup episodes. ______ Well, that's all I've got for now so happy writing and good luck!

[once-upon-a-stolas]

Long post tonight, but we can't talk about Pre-Murder Family Instagram Stolas without talking about his relationship with Valentino.

But first, a quick rundown for anyone new to this blog, or to these characters...

None of the HH/HB Instagram accounts were run by Vivziepop herself.

Both the Instagram accounts and Blitzo's art streams were crossover events in which the Helluva and Hazbin characters would mingle freely, leading to dynamics such as this one.

It's been speculated that the Hazbin accounts were shut down for legal reasons. This is not true, or at least not the sole reason for it. There was friction between the players and Viv that we will not be going into here.

The Instagram Vees, like Instagram Stolas, were profoundly different characters from the ones who would eventually come to be canon. Instagram Valentino, in addition to abusing and raping Angel Dust, was an animal abuser who routinely used his lover, Vox, as a punching bag.

Instagram Stolas was generous, respectful, and incredibly mindful of Blitzo's consent. There was no full moon deal at this time; Stolas simply allowed Blitzo to use the grimoire at his leisure, his only caveat that Blitzo be responsible with it. When they spent time together, sexually or otherwise, it was purely because they both wanted to.

All of that being said? It should come as little surprise that Stolas despised Valentino. Loathed him, detested him, referred to him as a rat and never missed an opportunity to throw shade at him. The feeling was very mutual, and their interactions were so venomously entertaining that even Vox and Velvette were having a good time.

It can't be stressed enough that Instagram Stolas behaved this way with absolutely nobody else, not even Vox and Velvette, suggesting to both that they could do and deserved better. Instagram Stolas was slow to anger, quick to forgive, and full of good-natured affection for just about everyone he came into contact with, not just Blitzo. The only other time he ever came close to being this disgusted by someone was when a commenter suggested he take advantage of a drunk Blitzo. Here, Stolas pulls no punches, gets Valentino by the throat and throws him around, and he's very good at it. He's classy, sharp, witty, exposing Valentino for the stupid, crass bully he is. He's a prince, knows it, and carries himself like one.

A punk like Valentino who mistreated others, but especially the people he's sleeping with? That was something Stolas couldn't and wouldn't stand.

(There's a blink and you miss it moment where Valentino refers to Stolas as a lonely, thirsty old man, the only time Valentino appears to hit a nerve. One might easily brush this off as a random insult, but Stolas as a character Blitzo's age was actually a very last minute -- arguably too last minute -- plot development that came after Vivzie saw a piece of fanart of the two as children. Instagram Stolas, like canon Stolas at this point, was a lonely older man.)

The last exchange here was posted on October 31, 2020, the day that Murder Family aired. After that, Stolas's characterization on the Instagrams was retconned to align with the character seen in that episode...the one who had no qualms with taking advantage of Blitzo's life being in danger to coerce a sexual bargain out of him. Therefore, it could be said that that reply marked one of the last times this Stolas, the Stolas this blog is about, would appear before his permanent transformation into a character that's often compared to Valentino, and who Instagram Stolas would have undoubtedly loathed.

At a time when Stolas's most defining trait was his patience, his unfailingly warmth and kindness towards everyone around him, and his respectfulness toward his sexual partner, it speaks volumes to his character that Valentino was the only person in the world he truly hated.

[doodler16]

I think this is the new crossover trailer in a nutshell:

It was pretty childish until Blitzø poped up and started cursing a storm.

Vivienne had to gloat again about how Amazon greenlit Hazbin Hotel for at least four seasons.

Blitzø (Viv) had to poke fun at some stuff and terms circulating around in in the fanon space (like "Hash Brown Motel" which is usually used by people who don't like the series).

She practically sold Helluva Boss to keep it going for as long as possible while making sure she will get her lenghty episodes where she will shove the yaoi slop of her dirty dreams (and will also STILL have the audacity to call it "indie" just like always).

Of course Charlie had to defend Vivienne from Blitzø calling her a "bitch" (and he was a king for it,love you Blitz. Not to mention he has all the right to do it after everything he's been put through).

Vassago cameo (who even needs this fucker?).

Possible foreshadowing of Blitzø probably doing the deed with Angel Dust? Blitzø also used the common misspelling of his name when referring to him.

We are getting that "Lucifer in the same room with the other sins" idea that Vivziepop kept moaning about for years.

Again,more audacity from Miss Medrano where she has to say through her characters that "animation takes a long time!" (I don't feel like explaining this one now).

Charlie is (again) a crybaby at the end.

Blitzø accidentally proves the point of these shows having too many characters. Also notice how he didn't bring Angel Dust after mentioning him (not that we need him anyway,but at least he didn't bring Val),disrespected Vaggie by misspelling her name,and made a jab at the fandom thirsting for Alastor.

I personally found this more entertaining than both shows and that has to be saying something about the writing of this mess.

PS:Charlie and Blitzø had much more chemistry with each other in this promotinal thing,which is not even canon,than with their supposed love interests.

1. It felt pretty normal until Blitzø dropped in.

2. I don’t blame her for gloating, I would do the same thing 😂. Honestly, I wish they at least had a new update for season 2 and it’s release date but it’s whatever. Looks like they are still in production phase. So, of course they are repeating the same information.

3. Yup!

4. If you are backed up by a million- billion dollar company you aren’t indie anymore, even if you have all creative control!

5. I unironically believe Erika would say this in real life (potentially worded differently) especially in a Hazbin Hotel interview or con. That’s my conspiracy theory.

6. Lil bro is not on the team, stop forcing him down our throats every 5 seconds.

7. Season 1 Blitzø, I can definitely see him having sex with Angel Dust but right now he’s more focused on Stolas. At best, I can see Blitzø becoming friends with Angel Dust.

8. They are going to be in the same room, finally!

9. Ironic especially when she’s been outsourcing and there have been several testimonials of ex employees saying how disorganized and overworked Spindlehorse is.

10. Pretty in character, this I will let slide.

11. Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are bloated, even the characters feel meshed together.

Charlie and Blitzø were pretty cute together and their dynamic is intriguing (especially when you take in consideration of the class difference). I wonder if they will address that or have Blitzø and Charlie make a plan to fix the hierarchy.