#source: justice league vs. teen titans

[incorrectdisa]

Chlodwig: What am I to you? Jacopo: An unavoidable irritazione.

[cosmicmordecai]

I’ve said this before but just to expand what I was saying earlier regarding Zatanna’s not necessarily being “de-aged” to be with Dick Grayson in YJ. In comics, Zatanna was moreover aged up to be closer to Batman.

Dependening on the stories, Zee starts off her heroism at 18-21. Sometimes she joins the JL after years of searching for her father or around the same time.

[Secret Origins v2 #27 - Recounted through Dr. Mist, who reveals being the mastermind behind her father & her upheavals in life by force via Felix Faust. In the story, he does realize how fucking creepy and patronizing his actions were.]

[ Justice League of America #51 - This story places her at 20 years old when she finally reunited with her father and joins the JL a short time later. But this story makes it seem like she was an orphan rather than raised by her father for a chunk of her childhood.]

[ DCU Heroes Secret Files & Origins #1 - This timeline would imply that she joined the JL first at 21.]

All these sources came prior to her history with Batman, which would naturally move her timeline to make her adjacent with him prior.

[Compared that to Dick, whom she met alongside the Titans in Tales of the Teen Titans #4 in the 1980s. By then, Dick was already college bound with high school graduation [Batman #217]or a teenager depending on your context, placing him roughly 16-18 give or take. This same series in which the picture above has him retire the Robin name in #39, which modern stories typically have that done at 18 years old.]

I think it’s very important to note that Zatanna’s character has changed overtime and that there’s no definite “Justice League generation” vs other generations of heroes. There’s not this neat little box where every DCU character conveniently fits in.

The Titans might fit in the “heroes in their 20s” box and the Teen Titans feature heroes younger than 18 but even then, some TT reached 18+ [Red Devil] and there’s been a plethora of heroes in their 20s in the JL [Kyle Rayner, Khalid Nassour, Ronnie Raymond/Jason Rusch]. Just like the JSA has younger members & successors who join, the JL features membership of varying ages.

[I literally forgot the source of this.]

I understand the basis makes it seem like Zatanna is infantalized but that’s not necessarily true. The character wasn’t always Bruce’s childhood friend and at one point, only met significantly in the JL to Batman’s own recollection. & one other time where she was disguised as a witch unknown to Bruce himself long before the retcon that made them childhood friends came to be.

It’s also hard to say “Zatanna has to be around this age bc she hangs out with so-and-so” because characters like Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman has had their histories altered in many ways. Barry Allen’s age has never been stated so using his interest in her as an age gauge is iffy and honestly, in real life, people have relationships, flirtations, and friendships with people older and younger than them. Part of adulthood is meshing with people & it’s not always convenient that you’ll be friends with people your own age. Interpersonal relationships are also multi-faceted and complex.

I also think it’s sets a bad precedent to not examine the character’s history and go off of the “idea” of where characters are instead of their history. Various DC characters already get this:

Billy Batson is always like 10 or 12 when people think of him but like he’s been 15 & 16 too. His relationship with Courtney Whitmore for example happened when he’s in high school himself. He is also chronologically older than Jon Kent regardless of space bullshit.

Raven & Beast Boy’s character get de-aged to the point they’ve been in Dick, Tim, and Damian’s version of the Teen Titans in media & comics.

Jaime Reyes remained eternally in high school until recently and it took a movie to budge him from that.

Stephanie Brown & Cassandra Caín are out here having Damian be closer to them in age because editorials, writers, and fanon completely forget both characters have been 18 far longer than anybody thinks.

Khalid Nassour debuted in 2015 already 23 years old & a year older than DICK GRAYSON IN THE SAME YEARS. Nowadays, he’s drawn as a teen/college age guy and his timeline either implies he’s in his 30s now or in 2023, all his 100+ appearances took place in ONE YEAR so therefore, everyone he interacted with also progressed one year overtime?

Long story short, it’s really important in my opinion to consider a character’s history and not just go off of whose their friend is, what you think their idealized version is like, and do not use the characters whose timeline DC & Didio has outright played Russian Roulette with accommodate their idealized version of the characters as a placeholder.

[theofficialdailyplanet]

hi! my fyp on tiktok has recently been just full of nightwing content and im very interested!! ive never watched much, if any, dc content before.. can you help me figure out where i should get started? im mostly interested in nightwing but willing to watch anything. i gather its mostly animated shows/movies on hbo? thanks!!!

hello! same omg i LOVE nightwing, hes my lil guy. and i'm glad u wanna kno more! love talkin to ppl abt dc especially the bats 🥰 so this is gonna be long sorry in advance lmao

general rundown jus cos the media for dc is officially split into three parts mainly

unofficially (and no shade cos i have a dc tiktok), tiktoks not always character accurate representation. lotta ppl call it fanon, its like the fan ideas of how character are that arent actually accurate or factual. (i dont have a problem w fanon rly but its a whole thing)

officially, the dc animated universe ones (dcau) ones are vaguely connected so they have the same characterisation throughout for the most part. usually events happen differently from the comics even if the movie or show is based on a comic like justice league dark for example. the dcau's also different from the dc universe (dcu aka the live actions) but do the same thing.

and comics are the source for everything. for the most part.

all that to say nightwing might not be exactly how ur expecting but im sure you'll still love him regardless he's a loveable guy. even if u dont like him in the comics specifically but still the movies or smthn thats a okay imo, (personally altho i read a lot of comics films & shows r easier to digest)

for comics

wayne family adventures: it vaguely follows canon but its sweet and an easy read webcomic on webtoon. the first and second season have physical copies

but for the canon timeline here's a few good beginner nightwing reading list from twitter i recommend, from:

nightwingirah

brookstweetz

bombadleaker

for shows & film

he doesnt actually have any solos, its either hes with batman the titans or he's there as a feature. so the ones i remember and liked him in:

batman & robin (1997)

batman ninja

batman the animated series

batman (2004) - the tv show

lego batman

titans

teen titans

teen titans go

justice league vs teen titans

teen titans judas contract

young justice

the dark knight rises

thats abt it, i hope you like them! lmk what u think if u go thru them 🖤

[ao3feed-brucewayne]

A New Life

by Username3693

After Flash resets the timeline, how does the new timeline work out? Does the Apokolkips war end the same way? (Damirae with action)

Words: 277, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English

Fandoms: Justice League Dark: Apokolips War (2020), Justice League vs. Teen Titans (2016), Teen Titans: The Judas Contract (2017)

Rating: Explicit

Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence

Categories: F/M

Characters: Damian Wayne, Raven (Teen Titans), Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson, Koriand'r (DCU), Garfield Logan, Blue Beetle (DCU), Jonathan Kent

Relationships: Raven/Damian Wayne, Bruce Wayne & Damian Wayne

Additional Tags: Eventual Smut, Post-Justice League Dark: Apokolips War, Love Confessions, My First Fanfic

source https://archiveofourown.org/works/48832021

[phantom-le6]

Ramble of the month June 2024: Phase 6/Re-Boot phase 1 of the Batman Begins-Led DCEU

At last, my monthly rambles have brought us to the last instalment for my alternate DCEU, based on the idea that Batman Begins could hypothetically have been the start of a better DCEU than the one we had via Man of Steel.  It’s the last instalment simply because the film slate projects a bit into the future, so it’s hard to fan-cast too far ahead of real-world Hollywood.  With my hypothetical MCU starting in the 1990’s, and me having a little more knowledge on Marvel lore than on DC, that one will carry on for a while longer, but for now, let’s focus on this hypothetical DCEU.

Now I ended the last phase, which was shorter than most, on a Flashpoint film for the express purpose of rebooting my alternate DCEU.  This is because DC has been rebooting its comics periodically ever since 1985 when the company created the Crisis on Infinite Earths epic.  The whole point of this was to take an incredibly long run of “canon” that went all the way back to 1939 when Superman began the whole DC Universe, and which had since expanded into a complex multiversal web.  After Infinite Earths, DC has periodically rebooted its comics to prevent fans having to wrestle with massive volumes of backstory, not to mention avoiding the need to retire key heroes despite the fact that they created the concept of the side-kick and over time developed it into a way of addressing the need for heroes to ultimately pass mantles along.

By the same token, no film or TV run can go forever due to actors aging, as well as the fact that many TV and film audiences are not always willing to keep up with too long a run of continuity in these mediums.  Luckily, because DC has precedent to reboot in its source material, rebooting an inter-connected film universe off the back of something like Flashpoint can work very well.  Before we get into what I’ve put into my own reboot idea, let’s consider what I put together for my alternate DCEU up to this point;

Phase 1:

2005: Batman Begins

2006: Man of Steel

2007: Wonder Woman

2008: The Dark Knight, Green Lantern

2009: The Flash, Man of Steel 2

2010: Aquaman, Justice League

Phase 2:

2011: Wonder Woman 2, Green Lantern 2, Green Arrow

2012: Hawkman, Batman/Superman, Aquaman 2

2013: John Constantine, The Flash 2, Suicide Squad

2014: Justice League 2, Green Arrow 2, Batman: The Long Crusade

Phase 3:

2015: Shazam, Man of Steel 3, The Atom

2016: Wonder Woman 3, Batgirl, Teen Titans

2017: Green Lantern/Green Arrow, Shazam vs Black Adam, Suicide Squad 2

2018: Justice League: Darkseid Rising, Aquaman 3, Doom Patrol

Phase 4:

2019: Superman: Doomsday, New Gods, Teen Titans: The Judas Contract

2020: Suicide Squad: Arkham, Knightfall, Green Arrow 3

2021: Reign of the Supermen, Green Lantern: Twilight, Knightsend

2022: Justice League: Armageddon, Teen Titans 3, Justice Society

Phase 5:

2023: Justice League: World’s Finest, Nightwing, The Killing Joke

2024: Supergirl, Birds of Prey, Flashpoint

These phases each had a given purpose of sorts.  Phase 1 established the DCEU and the Justice League, phase 2 provided expansion and then destabilised the Justice League by adapting the JLA: Tower of Babel story arc.  Phase 3 dealt with some of the fallout from that while also paving the way to phase 4, which was largely an homage to the death and rebirth incidents of 90’s DC lore, not to mention the betrayal of Hal Jordan.  Phase 5 then began with the redemption of Hal in a final sacrifice, followed by a series of one-off films in the run-up to Flashpoint.  In the wake of Flashpoint, we get to jump in on a new continuity, but one that can take new and different approaches because the previous universe already covered a lot of origin arcs.  As such, here is phase 6, or reboot phase 1 in summary, followed by the details on each film.

Phase 6/Reboot Phase 1:

2025: Superman: Man of Tomorrow, Green Lantern/Flash: The Brave and The Bold, The Batman

2026: Black Adam, Martian Manhunter, Zatanna

2027: Supergirl/Power Girl: Multiversal Roadtrip, Justice League: Year One, The Many Lives of Wonder Woman

2028: Outsiders, Superman vs The Elite, Justice League Dark

Superman: Man of Tomorrow (2025) Directed by The Russo Brothers

Superman/Kal-El/Clark Kent = Henry Cavill

Lois Lane = Amy Adams

Martha Kent = Julianne Moore

Jonathan Kent = Tim Robbins

Dr Emil Hamilton = Mark Ruffalo

Perry White = Forest Whittaker

Jimmy Olsen = Caleb McLaughlin

Cat Grant = Katie Cassidy

Steve Lombard = Evan Peters

Capt. Maggie Sawyer = Mena Suvari

Insp. Turpin = Dylan Moran

Lex Luthor = Mark Strong

Mercy Graves = Katie Leung

Jor-El = Hugh Jackman

Lara Lor-Van = Alyssa Milano

Kara Zor-El/Supergirl = Angourie Rice

Brainiac = Andrew Garfield

Lobo = Jason Mamoa

Following the Flashpoint reboot, Superman provides our initial voyage into the new DC continuity, and having used Brandon Routh as Superman for the duration of the last five phases, I’m putting in Henry Cavill as a Superman who has been active for at least a few years, but is only just starting to run across other heroes.  Moreover, while this Superman knows he is an alien, his ship takes such damage on his arrival to Earth that it’s not until the arrival of his cousin Supergirl that he learns anything about Krypton.  In turn, the alien bounty hunter Lobo arrives on Earth to try and capture the Kryptonians ahead of the arrival of the alien cyborg Brainiac.

For direction, I’m using the Russo brothers again, having previously picked them to handle the last two Justice League films.  In terms of other casting, this is a combination of a little real DCEU and rumoured DCU casting mixed in with my own ideas.  I’ve also taken the liberty of picking up the odd Arrowverse alumni across some of these fan-casts, such as taking Katie Cassidy from the role of Laurel Lance to one as Cat Grant for this film.

Green Lantern/Flash: The Brave and the Bold (2025) Directed by Rian Johnson

Flash/Barry Allen = Lucas Till

Green Lantern/Hal Jordan = Zac Efron

Jessica Cruz = Maia Reficco

Sinestro = Zachary Quinto

Kilowog = Winston Duke

Tomar Re = Paul Bettany

Salaak = Benedict Cumberbatch

Ganthet = Colin Firth

Sayd = Olivia Coleman

Manhunter Leader = John Cena

Iris West = Keke Palmer

Captain Cold/Leonard Snart = Sebastian Stan

Heatwave/Mick Rory = Dan Stevens

Captain Boomerang/Digger Harkness = Liam Hemsworth

Mirror Master/Evan McCulloch = Richard Madden

Vath Sarn = Tom Hopper

Isamot Kol = George Young

This film, directed by Rian Johnson (of Star Wars and Knives Out fame), focuses on Sinestro betraying the Green Lantern Corps, but doing so in a different way to what we’ve seen before.  In this case, to deflect investigation of his experiments in harnessing fear energy, Sinestro sets up trainee GL Jessica Cruz for the murder of two fellow rookies.  Suspecting the truth, Hal Jordan defies the Corps and retreats to Earth with Jessica to enlist the aid of the Flash, AKA forensic scientist Barry Allen, in proving Jessica’s innocence.  Matters are complicated by the Flash having to deal with the Rogues, not to mention the Guardians being tricked by Sinestro into unleashing the Manhunters.

For this film, a lot of the cast involves MCU alumni mixed in with a few others, but ultimately the core of the film is the friendship between Hal and Barry, played by Zac Efron and Lucas Till respectively, while also digging into the character of Jessica Cruz, who in this film run is Hal’s sector partner (bearing in mind the pre-Flashpoint continuity already included Guy Gardner, John Stewart and Kyle Rayner, so including Jessica next instead of going back to these characters would be a logical progression).

The Batman (2025) Directed by Andy Serkis

Bruce Wayne/Batman = Brett Dalton

Alfred Pennyworth = Ken Branagh

Lucius Fox = Denzel Washington

James "Jim" Gordon = Robert Downey Jr.

Selina Kyle/Catwoman = Emma Stone

Det. Harvey Bullock = Jeffrey Dean Morgan

Det. Renee Montoya = Selena Gomez

Dr Victor Fries/Mr Freeze = Tom Hiddleston

Nora Freeze = Scarlett Johansson

Ferris Boyle = Leonardo DiCaprio

I have avoided the recent film entitled “The Batman” due to the fact I cannot stand Robert Pattinson, or Robert Prat-inson as I call him, and for reasons beyond just the mere involvement in the vampire-ruining Twilight franchise.  As such, while I’m happy to swipe the title of the film into my own DCU, the cast had to undergo some change, along with plot, characters, etc.  Long story short, this film takes the basic plot of the Batman animated series episode “Heart of Ice” and expands it into a feature-length film, in part by adding in members of the GCPD and Catwoman.  Direction-wise, I opted to take Andy Serkis from the role of Alfred and make him the director, leaving Ken Branagh to play Alfred opposite Brett Dalton, who MCU fans will best know as Agent Grant Ward from the Agents of SHIELD TV series.

For other roles, I’ve gone for a mix of actors, including the likes of Robert Downey Jr, Denzel Washington, Emma Stone, Tom Hiddleston and Scarlett Johansson.  Now as a rule, I am not a fan of Leonardo DiCaprio and would not include him in most fancasts.  However, having caught bits of The Wolf of Wall Street while channel flicking, I can’t help thinking that he would do well playing the uncaring CEO that is targeted by Hiddleston’s version of Victor Fries for vengeance.

Black Adam (2026) Directed by Jaume Collet-Serra

Black Adam/Teth-Adam = Sammy Sheik

Jay Garrick/Flash = Jake Gyllenhaal

Diana/Wonder Woman = Jessica Szohr

Steve Trevor = Chris Evans

Carter Hall/Hawkman = Stephen Amell

Kendra Saunders/Hawkgirl = Serinda Swan

Wildcat/Ted Grant = David Harbour

Doctor Mid-Nite/Charles McNider = Ioan Gruffudd

Black Canary/Dinah Drake = Sara Paxton

Vandal Savage = Gerard Butler

Per Degaton = Mads Mikkelsen

Baroness Paula Von Gunther = Emma Bading

Dr Psycho/Edgar Cizko = August Diehl

Captain Nazi/Albrech Kreiger = Til Schweiger

How to improve Black Adam as a solo film is simple; less Dwayne Johnson, a bit more Justice Society and better villains, albeit with the same director and a better script.  To this end, our Black Adam film shows the title character being released in World War 2-era Khandaq to repel the Nazis, and in so doing he becomes an ally of the Justice Society against a group of Nazi super-villains.  The idea is do an homage to the golden age of comics and to Indiana Jones films using the JSA and Black Adam.  For casting, Vandal Savage remains the one role not re-cast from the pre-Flashpoint continuity, and I opted to seek an Egyptian actor for the lead role.  If Black Adam is meant to come from a middle eastern/north-east African nation, it would make sense to pick someone from that region to play the role and not an American who can only ever play himself.

Martian Manhunter (2026) Directed by Sam Raimi

J'onn J'onzz/John Jones/Martian Manhunter = David Oyelowo

Dr Saul Erdel = John Billingsley

Melissa Erdel = Emily Osment

Amanda Waller = Aisha Tyler

Deadshot/Floyd Lawton = Luke Evans

Captain Boomerang/Digger Harkness = Liam Hemsworth

Harley Quinn = Lily-Rose Depp

Bronze Tiger/Ben Turner = Daniel Kaluuya

Killer Croc/Waylon Jones = Aldis Hodge

Aubrey Sparks/Scorch = Debby Ryan

Bette San Souce/Plastique = Melissa Roxburgh

Green Arrow/Oliver Queen = Boyd Holbrook

Dinah Lance/Black Canary = Emily Wickersham

Arthur Curry/Aquaman = William Moseley

Despite Martian Manhunter being a mainstay member of the Justice League, he doesn’t get much if any attention on a solo basis, so I thought it would be cool to do a version of his origin story in this rebooted DCEU.  For director, I chose to go with Sam Raimi of Spider-Man and Doctor Strange MoM fame, while selecting David Oyelowo as J’onn J’onzz.  In this film, the scientist who accidentally teleports J’onn across time and space from ancient Mars to present-day Earth is working for Project Cadmus.  When he sneaks the confused and traumatised J’onn away to save him, they become the targets of a major manhunt conducted by Amanda Waller and the Suicide Squad.  Luckily, aid is to be found as J’onn quickly learns about Earth and humanity while on the run.  Along with the GL/Flash film, this is a major set-up moment for the later Justice League film.

Zatanna (2026) Directed by Peyton Reed

Zatanna Zatara = Laura Marano

Giovanni "John" Zatara = Pierfrancesco Favino

John Constantine = Will Poulter

Carter Hall II/Hawkman = Robbie Amell

Shiera Hall/Hawkgirl = Italia Ricci

Felix Faust = David Tennant

Neron = Jude Law

Ra's Al Ghul = T.J. Ramini

In the pre-Flashpoint continuity of this DCEU, I gave Constantine a solo film with Zatanna featured as his love interest and equal in magic heroism.  This film gives Zatanna the spotlight, effectively reversing the roles.  In this case, a few years after the death of her father Zatara at the hands of Felix Faust, Zatanna is roped into mystic heroism again when reincarnated superheroes Hawkman and Hawkgirl are also targeted by Faust.  This leads Zatanna on a quest to find out why and stop Faust, along the way reuniting with Constantine and also having to deal with the long-lived Ra’s Al Ghul and the demon Neron.  Direction comes from Peyton Reed of Ant-Man fame, and former Disney Channel actress Laura Marano is my pick to play the lead role opposite Will Poulter as Constantine.  We also get different actors for the present-day Hawkman and Hawkgirl to fully exploit the reincarnation concept, plus David Tennant and Jude Law in the most major villain roles to really do them justice.

Supergirl/Power Girl: Multiversal Roadtrip (2027) Directed by Reese Witherspoon & Elizabeth Banks

Kara Zor-El/Supergirl = Angourie Rice

Kara Zor-L/Power Girl = Melissa Benoist

Superman/Kal-El/Clark Kent = Henry Cavill

Kent Nelson/Doctor Fate = Hugh Laurie

Michael Holt/Mr Terrific = Donald Glover

Owlman/Thomas Wayne Jr. = Dave Franco

Ultraman/Clark Kent = Jamie Dornan

Superwoman/Lois Lane = Gina Carrano

Power Ring/Jordan Harrolds = Alexander Draymon

Johnny Quick = Tom Felton

Manhawk = Ed Skrein

Earth-2 Flash/Jay Garrick = Hayden Christensen

Earth-2 GL/Alan Scott = Chris Pine

Earth-2 Wildcat/Ted Grant = Karl Urban

Earth-2 Black Canary/Dinah Drake = Amanda Seyfreid

Earth-2 Hourman/Rex Tyler = Scott Eastwood

Earth-2 Dr Fate/Khalid Nassour = Rami Malek

Earth-30 Superman = Dmitry Chepovetsky

Earth-30 Lex Luthor = Stanley Tucci

Earth-30 Lois Lane = Courtney Cox

Earth-30 Wonder Woman = Gal Gadot

Earth-30 Batman = Sergei Polunin

Earth-11 Superwoman/Clara Kent = Liv Tyler

Earth-11 Batwoman/Becky Wayne = Mandy Moore

Earth-11 Wonder Man/Dion = Daniel Bruhl

Earth-11 Green Lantern/Jane Stewart = Lupita Nyong'o

Earth-11 Flash/Betty Allen = Kirsten Dunst

Earth-11 Aquawoman/Anna Curry = Laura Haddock

Earth-11 Green Arrow/Olivia Queen = Brooklyn Decker

One of the more interesting ideas that seems to have done the rounds in DC lore is the notion that within a multiversal model, Supergirl and Power Girl are the same person, each from a different universe and with Power Girl as an older iteration of the character.  In turn, we also have things like Elseworlds titles that also get folded into the multiversal concept, as well as the whole “evil heroes” alternate reality represented by the Crime Syndicate of Amerika.  Now imagine combining all those concepts into one film, and you get the essence of this film.  In it, Supergirl runs into Power Girl, who hails from Earth-2 within the new DCEU multiverse, and who is trying to keep ahead of Earth-3 rulers the Crime Syndicate, who are trying to steal something from Power Girl in order to unleash a campaign of multiversal conquest.

While Superman, Doctor Fate and Mr Terrific try to delay the CSA, the two super-women begin a trip across the multiverse to try and figure out how to stop their pursuers.  The three universes visited, in no particular order, consist of Earth-2 (Power Girl’s native reality and home to a present-day Justice Society and 1950’s future aesthetic), Earth-30 (based on Superman: Red Son) and Earth-11 (where women are the dominant gender on Earth, resulting in a gender-flipped Justice League).  For direction, I picked Reese Witherspoon and Elizabeth Banks as I think if you’re going to do films with strong female leads, you should begin with the directors.  Having cast Angourie Rice as Supergirl, I thought it would also be interesting to take Melissa Benoist, AKA Supergirl of the Arrowverse, and put her in the Power Girl role.  Gal Gadot also makes an appearance as Earth-30 Wonder Woman in an homage to the real DCEU, bearing in mind that my pre-Flashpoint Wonder Woman was Kate Beckinsale and the post-Flashpoint WW is Jessica Szohr.

Justice League: Year One (2027) Directed by The Russo Brothers

Flash/Barry Allen = Lucas Till

Green Lantern/Hal Jordan = Zac Efron

J'onn J'onzz/John Jones/Martian Manhunter = David Oyelowo

Arthur Curry/Aquaman = William Moseley

Dinah Lance/Black Canary = Emily Wickersham

Snapper Carr = Zachary Gordon

Green Arrow/Oliver Queen = Boyd Holbrook

Mari McCabe/Vixen = Zazie Beetz

Maxwell Lord = Ryan Gosling

Vandal Savage = Gerard Butler

Solomon Grundy = Kevin Nash

Bruce Gordon/Eclipso = Willem Dafoe

Rose Canton/Thorn = Bella Thorne

Matt Hagen/Clayface = Ben Affleck

Vicki Vale = Kristen Stewart

Jack Ryder = Brenton Thwaites

The Brain = Lambert Wilson

Monsieur Mallah = Omar Sy

Laura De Mille/Madame Rouge = Marion Cotilard

Dr Niles Caulder/The Chief = Matt Damon

Clifford Steele/Robot Man = Taylor Kitsch

Larry Trainor/Negative Man = Miles Teller

Rita Farr/Elasti-Girl = Katrina Law

Xotar = Jim Parsons

Superman/Kal-El/Clark Kent = Henry Cavill

Lois Lane = Amy Adams

Bruce Wayne/Batman = Brett Dalton

Buddy Baker/Animal Man = Ben Hardy

Capt. Nathanial Adams/Captain Atom = Jake McDorman

Dr Ray Palmer/Atom = Johnny Galecki

Prof. Martin Stein = Jerry O'Connell

Jason Rusch/Firestorm = Isaac Ryan Brown

Booster Gold/Michael Jon Carter = Ross Lynch

Fire/Beatriz Bonilla da Costa = Barbie Ferreira

Ice/Tora Olafsdotter = Thea Sofie Loch Naess

Black Adam/Teth-Adam = Sammy Sheik

Diana/Wonder Woman = Jessica Szohr

Carter Hall II/Hawkman = Robbie Amell

Shiera Hall/Hawkgirl = Italia Ricci

Much like reboots, DC also has a history of putting out mini-series under the Year One sub-title, each of which serves as a definitive origin arc for the hero or team being show-cased for the new continuity.  Case-in-point, following the Zero Hero limited series in 1995, which together with Green Lantern: Emerald Twilight and Justice League: The Final Night covered the whole fall and final sacrifice of Hal Jordan, a number of Year One titles came out, including JLA: Year One in 1998.  I bought the run in its graphic novel form a while back, and it’s very much the basis for this film.  Much like the Year One run, the film focuses on a founding membership that is composed of Green Lantern, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Black Canary and Aquaman, but that also encounters a variety of other heroes as they deal with establishing themselves as a team.

As a result, the plot is focused less on a single adversary bringing the team together and more on how this group of heroes develops into a team, going from a collection of solo acts into a team that can inspire other heroes during a final climax.  In order to get in all or most of what was in the mini-series, the film will be quite long, and again it’s the Russo Brothers bringing it to life.  We also get a fair share of supporting characters and showcasing of new heroes that other films could later call back to, though some are relatively minor in appearance and as such could be easy recasts if needed.

The Many Lives of Wonder Woman (2027) Directed by Patty Jenkins

Diana/Wonder Woman = Jessica Szohr

Steve Trevor = Chris Evans

Jay Garrick/Flash = Jake Gyllenhaal

Carter Hall/Hawkman = Stephen Amell

Kendra Saunders/Hawkgirl = Serinda Swan

Wildcat/Ted Grant = David Harbour

Doctor Mid-Nite/Charles McNider = Ioan Gruffudd

Black Canary/Dinah Drake = Sara Paxton

Kung = John Cho

Dr Isabel Maru/Dr Poison = Laura Berlin

Etta Candy = Anna Popplewell

Colonel Phillip Darnell = Tobey Maguire

Rick Tyler/Hourman = Aaron Taylor-Johnson

Jessie Chambers/Liberty Belle = Samara Weaving

Jade Nguyen/Cheshire = Jamie Chung

Richard Dragon = Simu Liu

Nyssa Al Ghul = Brenda Song

Lady Shiva = Kelly Hu

Hellhound = Steven Yeun

King Faraday = Chris Pratt

Rama Khan = Alexander Siddig

Francisco "Cisco" Ramone/Vibe = Carlos Valdes

Red Tornado/John Smith = Teddy Sears

Jeanne-Mari Jiwe/Vixen II = Lashana Lynch

Blue Beetle/Ted Kord = Eddie Redmayne

Dr Julia Kapatelis = Maria Menounos

Vanessa Kapatelis = Mika Abdalla

Barbara Ann Minerva/Cheetah = Daisy Ridley

Black Adam/Teth-Adam = Sammy Sheik

Where Justice League: Year One covers the first year of the Justice League working together, this film shows how Wonder Woman goes from the Justice Society member we saw in the Black Adam film to her cameo in JL:YO.  The film basically consists of a series of shorter stories, giving us vignettes of Wonder Woman’s life during different periods of time.  More specifically;

-1950’s – The JSA aids US forces in Korea, but becomes increasingly disillusioned about why they’re fighting, especially after government liaison Steve Trevor is killed in action by Kung and Dr Poison, and McCarthyism tries to force the Society into becoming their pawns.  Wonder Woman quits the Society and abandons living in the US over this, and the rest of the Society disbands soon after.

-Late 1960’s – Diana is living in London, England and is pursuing a secret same-sex relationship with Etta Candy when she is approached by Colonel Darnell about a mission in Vietnam.  Diana and Etta join the mission along with US Government superhero couple Hourman and Liberty Belle against agents of the League of Assassins.  During the mission, Diana and Etta find contentment in a local village, and in the aftermath settle there to defend it.

-Early 1990’s – Diana is now living with a dying Etta in Japan when she is approached by Agent King Faraday to lead a group of superheroes to the Middle East as part of the Gulf War.  The mission is against Jarhanpur, an ally of Iraq in the war and led by the mystic Rama Khan.  While the mission ultimately succeeds, the death of a team-mate and being unable to return to Japan before Etta passes angers Diana, and she warns Faraday that she will no longer answer the calls of the supposed “good guys”, as they have lost sight of what “good” is.

-Late 2020’s – Diana now lives in Washington DC and works with Dr Julia Kapatelis, who together with Julia’s daughter Vanessa keeps the secret of Diana once being Wonder Woman.  However, when Diana sees her one-time ally Black Adam helping the superhero response to the alien invasion, she re-dons her Wonder Woman guise and tackles Cheetah, a super-criminal who has escaped prison as a result of the invasion.

The focus of the film is to show the hope in humanity that is the essence of Wonder Woman, as although she keeps trying to withdraw from the world she came to during the 1940’s, Diana believes enough in humanity to come back and fight for that world.  Again, Patty Jenkins who directed the real DCEU Wonder Woman films is directing, and we add quite a few characters in on top of the roles reprised from the Black Adam film.

Outsiders (2028) Directed by Ryan Coogler

Bruce Wayne/Batman = Brett Dalton

Brion Markov/Geo-Force = David Kross

Jefferson Pierce/Black Lightning = Tosin Cole

Rex Mason/Metamorpho = Alden Ehrenreich

Tatsu Yamashiro/Katana = Sophie Oda

Emily Briggs/Looker = Madeline Brewer

Baron Bedlam = Matthias Schweighöfer

Dr Helga Jace = Marika Domińczyk

General Karnz = Thomas Kretschmann

Count Vertigo/Werner Zytle = Max Riemelt

Anatoli Knyazev/KGBeast = Ilia Volok

James "Jim" Gordon = Robert Downey Jr.

While the Outsiders aren’t a group that I’m hugely familiar with, having used them as just supporting/guest characters in the Batman/Superman film of our pre-Flashpoint films, I thought they should get another of the post-Flashpoint spotlight films.  In this film, Batman works with Geo-Force to form the Outsiders when rogue elements of the latter’s country threaten a coup that could cause a major international crisis.  In this case, I’ve picked Ryan Coogler of Black Panther fame to direct because of how well he seems to do getting people to build up fictionalised nations, and for a lot of the castings, I’m looking more at getting people of the right regional origins to play key roles to aid in that world-building.  As a result, the film is less star-studded than most by mainstream Hollywood definitions, but better the right names than big names in some cases.

Superman vs The Elite (2028) Directed by Jon Watts

Superman/Kal-El/Clark Kent = Henry Cavill

Lois Lane = Amy Adams

Manchester Black = Matt Smith

Nathan Jones/Coldcast = Michael B. Jordan

"Pamela"/Menagerie = Ana De Armas

Rampotatek/The Hat = Ken' ichi Matsuyama

Vera Black = Emma Watson

Perry White = Forest Whittaker

Jimmy Olsen = Caleb McLaughlin

Cat Grant = Katie Cassidy

Steve Lombard = Evan Peters

Capt. Maggie Sawyer = Mena Suvari

Insp. Turpin = Dylan Moran

Martha Kent = Julianne Moore

Jonathan Kent = Tim Robbins

Senator Baxter = Will Smith

Terrence Baxter = Jaden Smith

Joseph Martin/Atomic Skull = Joseph Baena

While Superman solo comics have never been something I’ve really delved into a DC superhero fan, one that I did enjoy as part of a Justice League graphic novel was “What’s So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way?”  The story, which DC and WB later adapted into an animated film entitled Superman vs The Elite, involves Superman meeting a group of metahumans called The Elite who operate as anti-heroes, killing their opponents rather than focusing on saving lives, etc.  The group ultimately comes to blows with Superman in a way that establishes why Superman’s morality not only remains relevant, but is actually preferable to the kind of lethal force anti-heroes use.  The story was the ultimate retort to the rise of the anti-hero in comics during the 1980’s and 1990’s, and based on comments made by Zach Snyder, I’m guessing he never read it or saw the film version.

Given all of this, I thought my alternate DCEU should include a film adaptation of this story for live-action cinema audiences.  I picked Jon Watts to direct this one based on his work on the MCU Spider-Man films, specifically No Way Home which dealt in part with the idea of divided perspectives on key events, as well as choosing to help people versus solving the problem quickly.  Much of the cast is retained from our Man of Tomorrow film, with the Elite, Senator Baxter, his son and Atomic Skull all being the new characters, and of course influenced by the animated adaptation from DC/WB home animation.  This, in turn, is why the Smiths are in the film; it gives us a chance to see art imitate life slightly by having a real-world father and son play a fictional father and son.

Justice League Dark (2028) Directed by Kenneth Branagh

Diana/Wonder Woman = Jessica Szohr

Bruce Wayne/Batman = Brett Dalton

John Constantine = Will Poulter

Zatanna Zatara = Laura Marano

Boston Brand/Deadman = Mark Whalberg

Jason Blood/Etrigan = Aneurin Barnard/Idris Elba

Alec Holland/Swamp Thing = Adam Joseph Copeland

Circe = Hayley Atwell

Dr Psycho II/Edgar Cizko III = Patrick Schwarzenegger

Felix Faust = David Tennant

Klarion = Beau Hart

Jason Woodrue/Floronic Man = Martin Starr

Papa Midnite = John Boyega

Flash/Barry Allen = Lucas Till

Green Lantern/Hal Jordan = Zac Efron

J'onn J'onzz/John Jones/Martian Manhunter = David Oyelowo

Arthur Curry/Aquaman = William Moseley

Dinah Lance/Black Canary = Emily Wickersham

Green Arrow/Oliver Queen = Boyd Holbrook

Mari McCabe/Vixen = Zazie Beetz

Snapper Carr = Zachary Gordon

The Justice League Dark is a spin-off/sub-team of the Justice League dealing in mystical and supernatural threats that the main team lacks the powers or expertise to deal with, and this film allows us to put them into a live-action film-verse.  The idea here is that the main League is incapacitated by a group of supernatural villains, led by long-time Wonder Woman adversary Circe.  Needing a team but lacking the means to find everyone she needs due to her long time out of superhero work, Diana recruits Gotham’s dark knight detective to aid her in assembling the Justice League Dark.  Direction of this film is something I’d grant to Ken Branagh based on his work on Thor and A Haunting in Venice.

As you can see, these last few films get us as far as 2028, so basically four years from now, and that’s why this alternate DCEU goes as far as it does.  If it was to go further, though, where might I consider taking it?  That’s something I’m not entirely sure of, but I think there are some plotlines I’d want to adapt into films that haven’t yet been covered, such as Death in the Family for the Batman line of films, the Sinestro War to Blackest Night/Brightest Day arc from Green Lantern lore, and maybe a run of Hawkman/Hawkgirl films instead of just the one-shot I gave them in the pre-Flashpoint phases.  I’d probably also like to do more multiversal stuff to maybe build up to an eventual second reboot or final conclusion based on the Crisis on Infinite Earths story arc.  I know DC and WB are currently doing this for home animation in terms of real film releases, but they’re not doing well keeping the same format available for each film’s release when it comes to disc-based copies.

In any event, that’s it for this alternate film universe, but still about three phases of 90’s-based MCU to go, and I may consider fan-casting another film franchise, or even a TV one, to keep things alternated.  Anyway, until my next monthly ramble, ta-ta for now.

[raphael-angele]

POV: Raven and Damian talking about a character in a book they hate very much

Damian, who just finished reading the new book in the series: *enters Raven's room* Great news

Raven: *gasp* She's fat

Damian: No. Better than that

Raven: SHE'S DEAD :D

Damian: No...she's blind

Raven: YEESSS!

[thecompletegeek]

Dick: Who the hell just put spaghetti in a dish of water and left it in the oven?

Raven: Do you really have to ask?

Garfield: Look in my defence Jamie told me it was a good idea.

Damian: Last week He said that you were funny. He lies!!!

Garfield & Jaime: Heyy!!!

[incorrect-damirae-quotes]

"I'm sorry for Damian. His parents didn't love him enough as a child."

-Raven, most definitely

[iamfandomtrashandimproud]

Damian: Yeah I swing both ways. Violently, with a katana. COME AT ME MOTHERFUCKERS!

[magnificent-nerd]

Celebrating DC’s non binary actors

Image description: actors clockwise from top left, Ezra Miller, Quintessa Swindell, Chella Man, Ruby Rose.

With the news of DC/HBO Max casting trans actress Ivory Aquino to play the first trans character in a DC feature film, I also wanted to do a post celebrating all the non binary and genderqueer DC actors.

Listing is done by their first appearances in DC live action, both movies and TV shows.

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Ezra Miller, who plays Barry Allen/The Flash. First appearances: cameos in Batman vs. Superman (2016), Justice League (2017). Upcoming movie: The Flash (November 2022).

Miller came out as queer in 2012 and has since spoken about their identity and pronouns in interviews (such as the GQ interview in 2018), also stating they do not use the label 'queer' other than to reject gendered labels. "Queer just means no, I don't do that. I don't identify as a man. I don't identify as a woman."

Pronouns: they/them

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Ruby Rose, who played Kate Kane/Batwoman for one season. First appearance: Batwoman season one, 2019.

Ruby Rose identifies as gender fluid, and has spoken about the expectations of gender and breaking free of them, as well as making a short film about gender presentation.

Pronouns: they/she

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Chella Man, who played Jericho on Titans for one season. First appearance: Titans season two, 2019.

Chella Man is a deaf, trans masc, and genderqueer actor and activist. He has his own YouTube channel discussing gender, disability representation, his transition, and he has also done a Ted Talk.

Pronouns: he/him

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Quintessa Swindell, who is set to play Cyclone in the upcoming Black Adam movie. First appearance: Black Adam, set for release June 2022.

Swindell identifies as non binary and gender non conforming.

Swindell is a LGBTQ+ activist and has been in Netflix teen dramas Trinkets and Euphoria.

Pronouns: they/he

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Please note I have checked the actors' social media and IMDB for their pronouns.

Which is a good habit to get into when wanting to refer to other people, do check their social media first to see what they list as we can't always rely on mainstream media to be accurate.

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Read more on my blog post, which also has source links, and links to all the actors' interviews/social media and YouTube videos/films that I’m not linking on this Tumblr post because otherwise Tumblr hides it:

[orphancookie69]

DC Universe: In Order!

Have you ever watched an animated Constatine? He is way cooler in animation and comic books...Anyways. I stumbled upon that movie first with my partner, and he told me that there is an order to the DC Universe and this movie was like way on the bottom of the list. We decided to watch it in order, but the order is not self explanatory. 

This is for your reference (and source): https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/dc-animated-movies-in-order/

Order Up: 

1) Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox (2013)

We know these characters all have their own stories, but this is the point that they come together into their own grouping in this universe. This movie resets all the rules you think you know. 

2) Justice League: War (2014)

This is an important point they get back to later in the storyline. It helps to bring and keep these guys together. 

3) Son of Batman (2014)

This gets more into Batman’s story, but remember everything connects and leads to other things. 

4) Justice League: Throne of Atlantis (2015)

This is a call to action from the team that shows the underwater world but also adds to the team. 

5) Batman vs Robin (2015)

This explores the conflict that creates the super hero icons true selves, but we all have daddy issues. 

6) Batman: Bad Blood (2016)

This is pretty neat for seeing how big the Bat Family actually gets. 

7) Justice League vs. Teen Titans (2016)

This introduces the Teen Titans into universe and helps to (eventually) establish a younger and older set of heroes. 

8) Justice League: Dark (2017)

This is where you get more in the mix, Constatine’s group is pretty cool and works well with a group of supers. 

9) Teen Titans: The Judas Contract (2017)

A fun little installment from our youthful heroes. 

10) Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay (2018)

This universe is a little interesting as even vilians get to switch sides and join the party. It’s not a party until they show up...right?

11) The Death of Superman (2018)

This is a pretty iconic point in comics and animation both, it has even been said that Superman is being compared to Jesus.

12) Constantine: City of Demons (2018)

Really any of these that have Constatine are awesome. 

13) Reign of the Supermen (2019)

With the death of one superman, you get many revivals. Not unlike Jesus right? Sorry not sorry. 

14) Batman: Hush (2019)

Between Batman’s day job, child, night time hobby, and his new friends...its not like he needs more to do does he? 

15) Wonder Woman: Bloodlines (2019)

Some people get no back story movies, some get a lot. This is Wonder Woman’s back story. 

16) Justice League Dark: Apokolips War (2020)

The year starts to catch up with us now. This name, if you watched the movies in order, is mentioned more in the beginning. Its the big bads name and his effect on earth. 

17) DC Showcase: Constantine - The House of Mystery (2022)

While I do think this is in two collections, one in this set of films and two in the DC showcase collection, this picks up where no16 left off. 

I loved the animation, the old school lore, the comic book origins. A proper mix of characters. No 16 was supposed to be the last but they are adding to it. Which is awesome. I personally prefer this to MCU but I wonder if this wasn’t inspired by DCU? Have you seen any of these? Did you watch them in order because of this post? 

[ectonurites]

idk how to quote tags on mobile where is the conner kent essay i NEED it

ALRIGHT OKAY! here’s 5k+ words plus panels & screenshots of me comparing and contrasting the two drastically different versions of Superboy (comics vs young justice cartoon) and going over what makes them such distinctly separate characters. someday i’ll refine this a bit more its kinda just a word dump that’s been living in my brain that i wanted to actually articulate after i read through Reign of the Supermen but here we go:

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Pretty frequently I see the question “Why is Superboy so different in the Young Justice cartoon?” float around in DC circles. I think there are two main approaches to answering this:

Why did the writers of the cartoon decide to create a very different version of Superboy?

What factors make this Superboy so different from the comic version?

For the first approach the answer is relatively straight-forward, from the start Young Justice as a cartoon was never meant to be a direct adaptation of the comics. They just used the title and a few elements so they could create their own approach to the DC universe with a focus on younger heroes. For example, Artemis Crock in their show is also COMPLETELY different from her comic counterpart, Zatanna is aged way down to be a member of the teen team, and Kaldur’ahm was created for this show (and integrated into the comics as Jackson Hyde). They were always trying to do different things than the main comics universe, so them making a different version of Conner also makes sense. Their approach to him is also very clearly influenced more by how he appeared in the Teen Titans comic run that was still coming out as Young Justice started airing (his design, and some other elements we’ll discuss along the way), as opposed to his original version from the 90′s/the Young Justice comic.

So the basic “why” is that from the start they wanted to create something unique to their universe, which they definitely did accomplish.

The much more interesting subject to dive into, though, is looking at the differences in Superboy’s story that contribute to him becoming such a different person. 

The drastic changes made to the following factors are what I view as the main source of his differences in personality/outlook/characterization:

The conditions and history of the world at the time he is introduced

The circumstances around him being introduced/leaving Cadmus

The reaction Clark has to him and how their relationship starts

The people he first interacted with & became close to, and how he interacts with the world

The timing of him finding out about his connection to Luthor

The State of the Worlds

In the comics, Superboy is first introduced in Adventures of Superman #500 by iconically saying “Don’t ever call me Superboy!” 

during a 1993 event called “Reign of the Supermen”, a follow up to the 1992 event “The Death of Superman”. Based on the title of the 1992 event, I think you can, uh, guess what one major difference in the setting here was vs. the state of the world at the time he was introduced in the cartoon. Obviously Clark didn’t stay dead forever, but Superboy first comes onto the scene as a young clone of Superman who insists he is the new Superman (one of the four characters trying to do so during the event). This is in the main DC universe in the early 90’s, which means that heroes in general, including teen heroes, aren’t a new thing! Not only has the Justice League been around for a while but so has the Teen Titans. Once Clark is alive again, Superboy goes off on his own to establish himself as an individual teen hero. 

So how is that different in the cartoon?

In the cartoon, Superboy is first introduced in the pilot episodes “Independence Day” and “Fireworks” 

on the 4th of July in (what most people consider to be) 2010. This was supposed to be the day that Robin (Dick Grayson), Speedy (Roy Harper), Kid Flash (Wally West), and Aqualad (Kaldur’ahm) would get to see the true Justice League HQ at the Hall of Justice, which... doesn’t go exactly as planned. 

In this world, superheroes are a newer thing, this is something that the creators have talked about before. At this point, while there is an established Justice League, there are no known teams of teen superheroes. Just the fact that as of season one Dick Grayson is still Robin is a pretty good indicator that this world is early in it’s time with a Batman. Now, the sidekicks aren’t a secret, as they appear very publicly in this first episode, but they are almost always seen acting with their mentors at this point. Again, there is no Teen Titans in this setting, and there never has been. 

So when they do form the first teen hero team? It is kept covert-ops. They do not publicize that they act as a superhero team, and the members who weren’t already publicly known heroes (mainly Miss Martian and Superboy) end up being pretty… unknown to a lot of the world outside the hero/villain community! Again their existence is not strictly kept a secret, but they keep the fact that there’s a team of minors who are heroes going on independent missions VERY under the radar on purpose. Thus, those who aren’t going around doing super public hero activities just don’t have nearly as much of a presence.

So to summarize:

In the comics, Superboy is immediately put in a spotlight (he befriends a reporter and is all over tv and literally trademarks the name Superman) becoming known to the world and establishes himself as a solo acting hero YEARS before joining any teams.

In the cartoon, Superboy is kept relatively out of the spotlight, immediately becomes part of a covert-ops team and doesn’t act solo very often. The well known teen heroes in this setting are sidekicks working under a mentor, and Superboy does not actually act as a sidekick.

What does this mean for Superboy?

Superboy in the comics gets to, right away, act on his own and get a taste of what being Superman is like. In the cartoon, he’s brought into the world at a time where there already is a Superman. I think back to this bit from the therapy episode, where he says:

“See, from the moment I first opened my eyes in that Cadmus pod, there’s been one thing I’ve wanted, and feared. To know what it is to be Superman.”

Comics Superboy started out getting to do that! He immediately got a shot at filling that role, and he then makes the choice to relinquish it back to the original once he’s alive again. He (begrudgingly at first) understood that it wasn’t yet his time to be Superman, and knows he’ll someday fill those shoes for real- but in the meantime being Superboy is gonna be his own thing and he’ll embrace it and make it work.

Cartoon Superboy is left in a shadow, not ever truly knowing what it’s like to fill those shoes (except in a doomsday scenario training exercise gone awry that he then just feels intense guilt over). This leaves him a lot more frustrated and lost, and I think is a major contributor to how angry this version of Superboy is compared to his much more ‘chill go with the flow’ attitude in the comics.

Cadmus

In the comics, in that same issue he’s introduced, we find out that Superboy broke out of his cloning tube prematurely and left Cadmus with the assistance of the second Newsboy Legion, who also gave him his first leather jacket, before the programming that would allow Cadmus to control him was implemented.

He quickly gets up to speed with the situation, that Clark is dead. So he comes on the scene starting to save people and saying he is Superman, or at least the clone of the original one. A major thing that does influence his character here is the fact that… this is the 90’s. He is designed around the idea of what is ‘cool’ back in 1993. (look, even his original character design sheets call him cool)

So right off the bat he’s got a stereotypical ‘cool teen guy in that era’ personality, which is often played for comedy to add a little lightness to some of the dark things happening during this event. 

Anyways, he has left Cadmus, he’s acting on his own, and he starts realizing that his powers aren’t exactly the same as Superman’s over the course of the Reign of the Supermen story.

After the main conflict is settled and Clark is fully alive and acting as Superman again, the two of them end up going back to Cadmus to find out what the exact deal is with him. I’ll go into this more in a later point, but they find out he’s not exactly a clone of Superman (or Lex- him being actually involved as a DNA donor is a retcon that happened a decade later). They agree to let someone from Cadmus (Dubbilex- the grey guy with the horns in this pic) leave Metropolis with him, as he sets out on a press tour to establish himself as Superboy now that he relinquished the trademark on the Superman name back to Clark. 

Let’s pause and look at how this is different in the cartoon.

In the cartoon, when the trio of Robin, Kid Flash, and Aqualad decide to prove themselves to their mentors they run off on their own to attend to a fire at Project Cadmus when the Justice League got called off to do something else. Upon arriving, they accidentally uncover some weird things about Cadmus, like the crazy amount of sublevels, the creatures roaming around, and the fact that it’s not on the main power grids. They eventually find Superboy, still in his cloning tube. They break him out, but then get captured themselves.

When they are then put into tubes by Cadmus personnel, they manage to convince Superboy to help free them by promising him things like getting to meet Superman, and see the moon. The group of four now working together manages to escape from the building and it topples down, where they are then greeted by the Justice League who are Not Happy.

Superman flies away shortly after, and the group of kids explain to their remaining mentors that sure, they disobeyed orders, but they accomplished something good here, and they are going to keep doing it, whether the League likes it or not. The compromise is the formation of The Team, to be covert-ops while the Justice League acts publicly, and the boys are joined by Miss Martian.

So to summarize:

In the comics, Superboy leaves Cadmus pretty independently (with some assistance) to go act on his own as a hero immediately. He returns to Cadmus later for more information, and they reveal truths to him about his existence. After he knows his truth, he goes off to continue establishing himself as a solo hero but lets Cadmus still supervise what he’s doing through Dubbilex.

In the cartoon, Superboy is rescued from Cadmus by Robin, Kid Flash, and Aqualad, without knowing pretty much anything about himself besides the fact that he is a clone of Superman, and is immediately put on the covert ops team. 

What it means for Superboy:

Comic Superboy goes to act on his own, even after he admits he’s not the real Superman anymore. Yes he’s not 100% alone in terms of ‘he’s got people (Rex, Roxy, Dubbilex, Tana) around him’, but as a hero he’s a solo act and ends up taking residence in Hawaii. In the cartoon, by joining a team right away, he’s taking on a very different style of being a hero, especially because the team itself is covert-ops. Rather than regularly saving the day all on his own much like Superman, which can help comic Superboy feel like he’s still living up to the name more, cartoon Superboy is working under the radar in a group setting, while still wanting to desperately fill those Superman shoes. 

He is overconfident in his abilities and wants to be the hero he was created to be, so him being put into this very different type of superhero situation is another major contributor to the frustration/anger. Even later on when comics Superboy is part of forming the Young Justice team, they were never a secret covert-ops team, they were always publicly known. (hell, a reporter is the one who gave them the team name Young Justice because he’d misheard Bart)

Superboy & Superman

In the comics, as we have established, Clark was dead at the time Superboy first came on the hero scene. Clark comes back to life, during a little bit of a lull in the middle of the huge conflict. He immediately accepts that Superboy is one of four who came forward to try to replace him, and one of the only two (Superboy & Steel) who genuinely only had good intentions in doing so. Clark, Steel, Supergirl, Hal Jordan, and Superboy then all work together in the big battle against the Cyborg Superman.

Once things are settled, Clark is curious about him, and where he came from and his origin, so they end up going to Cadmus together with Guardian and learning more about him, as I previously mentioned. Once it is established that Superboy is in fact a metahuman clone who was created to mimic Superman, but is not actually a clone of him, Superman still accepts him and thinks he’s earned his right to continue using the ’S’ shield and have the name of Superboy. 

They part ways so Superboy can go on his press tour, but in general they have pretty positive interactions where they mutually respect each other! Not too much later in the comics even (I forget exaaactly when this happens but it’s definitely before the 1998 Young justice comic), Superman is the first one to give Superboy a real name, “Kon-El”, something he is so happy about he literally cries.

How is this different in the cartoon? 

When the boys first escaped, and Superboy first meets the Justice League, Clark is standoffish. Other members of the league need to nudge him over to go actually talk to Superboy, and it’s not much of a conversation before he flies off and away, leaving Superboy frustrated and alone.

This… turns into the standard for almost the entire first season. Other characters constantly telling Clark that he needs to reach out and be support for the boy (like in this iconic diner scene with Bruce and Clark), but Clark consistently being too freaked out by the fact that someone made a clone of him without his knowledge to properly accept Conner. While this does over time get better, this being the immediate reaction when Superboy is brand new in the world definitely… has an impact! 

He is rejected by the person he idolizes, and feels neglected and abandoned, and definitely kinda overcompensates with ego to try to make up for it. 

So:

In the comics, Superman and Superboy work together from the start, not falling into a hero/sidekick situation but rather acknowledging each other as individual heroes with respect for one another. They grow to see each other as family much faster, and little tension between them. A crucial difference in situations, though, is that at the time these versions first meet Superboy is not actually a clone of Superman.

In the cartoon, Superman at first avoids Superboy, and does not offer guidance or mentorship or anything the boy needs. It is clear that he wants to work with Superman and be like him, since it was what he was created to do. It takes a lot of time for Clark to accept Conner in this setting, and there is a lot of tension for the first several months Conner exists. (they seem to settle this towards the end of season 1/during the gap between season 2, but it still has it’s impact on who Conner is early in his life)

What does this mean?

I feel like this is another major factor that contributes to Conner being so angry all the time in the cartoon, he feels immediately rejected by the person he’s supposed to be someday, rather than accepted by him. Again, very different from how comics Superboy got a chance to be Superman, and a chance to then work with the real deal as equals. 

Friendships, Relationships and Identity

When Superboy is freed by the second Newsboy Legion, it’s primarily out of a ‘we’re clones who are stuck here, but you need to be out there, you’re what Metropolis needs right now!’ kind of idea. The first person he actually becomes close to is a reporter named Tana Moon.

Tana and Superboy’s relationship is… bad once it actually becomes romantic due to their huge age difference (she’s around 23, he is for all intents and purposes 16), but during the Reign of the Supermen where they’re still just friends for the most part, it’s not as bad. Tana becomes the GBS correspondent who focuses on everything Superboy (at this time still insisting he is the new Superman) is doing as a hero, and they become close friends.

GBS then also brings in Rex Leech (and his daughter Roxy) to be his agent, to promote Superboy and manage things for him. Rex is exploitative as hell, but Roxy does become another really important person to Superboy. These characters along with Dubbilex are his main supporting cast at the start of his solo comic when he’s in Hawaii.

In this whole era, Superboy is pretty much a celebrity. He’s cool, he’s a superhero, and I think it’s very notable he does not have a secret Identity. For a decent chunk of time, he is always just ‘Superboy’ (until, as I mentioned earlier, Clark gives him the name Kon-El. Even so, he doesn’t adopt a regular secret identity [Conner Kent, although he actually used a different one, Carl Grummett, before that!] until he begins living with the Kents in the early 2000s). By the time he joins any teams, Kon is pretty damn confident in who he is as a hero and has a relatively good grasp on who he is in general, if anything he’s a little too confident.

Young Justice was created in the aftermath of World Without Grown Ups when the trio of Superboy, Robin (Tim Drake) and Impulse (Bart Allen) had teamed up. After they saved the day they realized they worked well together and formed their team, utilizing the old Justice League base in Mount Justice. They were eventually joined by more members, especially relevant here is Wonder Girl (Cassie Sandsmark) who Kon later dates for a portion of the Teen Titans run that these four are in after Young Justice ends. 

The four of them become close, and when Kon dies during Infinite Crisis it rips a hole in everything they had established growing up together over the past several years (Cassie joins a cult dedicated to bringing him back, Tim tries to clone a new Kon, Bart got aged up and took on the mantle of the Flash, etc) and Bart’s death that followed similarly shook the remaining Cassie and Tim. This group eventually does get to reunite, with Kon and Bart coming back during Final Crisis, solidifying how even things like death don’t keep them apart for long. It’s hard to look at the comic book versions of these four characters and imagine how they would be without their connections to each other... until you look at the YJ cartoon and see a world where they’re not even all part of the same generation, let alone a friend group.

Now in the cartoon…

The first people Conner primarily interacts with are Dick, Wally, Kaldur, and M’gann, along with the League members who interact with The Team pretty regularly, Red Tornado, Batman, and Black Canary. He’s shown to be friends with the other memebers of the team and get along with them relatively well, but in general he’s not much of a social person. 

Much like in the comics, Superboy is considered very attractive, and immediately upon their meeting, M’gann is interested in him. Very, very interested in him.

At first it definitely does seem more just like an innocent crush, but it’s later revealed to be a little more… concerning than that. As in ‘Megan subtlety influencing Superboy to become her dream boyfriend based on a TV show she likes’ concerning. Like… she literally gives him the name ‘Conner’ after the TV show character that was the boyfriend of the character she bases her human self and entire identity on. The two date and once that becomes a thing, a lot of their plot lines in the following seasons revolve around the ups and downs of their relationship.

In general in this show, Superboy doesn’t really get much of a chance to establish himself on his own terms. Within months of him leaving his cloning pod, he and M’gann start going to high school with secret identities, so he’s already having to hide who he truly is to blend in with other people, before he even knows who he truly is. 

So to compare:

In the comics, Superboy gets to figure out who he is as Superman’s Clone/Superboy very publicly, has multiple love interests and a celebrity status, and over time becomes part of a tight-knit group of friends. He doesn’t use a regular secret identity for the first several years he’s active.

In the cartoon, Superboy has one love interest with a very large impact on him, not nearly as much focus is given to his other friendships, and he immediately adopts a secret identity meaning he needs to hide who he is from the start. 

What it means:

These factors play a big difference in his attitude, particularly highlighting how extroverted his comic version is and how introverted his cartoon version is. Comic Superboy never really needed to hide who he was until years into his career, vs being told to do so early on in his life. When you get used to needing to hide things so early, that can definitely lead to being more private/disconnected from others. Also somewhat related- in the comics, when Kon is given knowledge in his cloning tube, more pop culture got included. He mentions knowing Star Wars without having seen it, and references a ton of TV and Movies, vs the cartoon version of him that seems to have been given a lot of history of the world but not the current fun stuff. It’s the difference between knowing what’s going on in the world and what’s popular, vs only knowing the past and what’s fundamental. Not knowing pop culture like this can also really contribute to feeling alienated and lead to introversion. (I just... I think about how in the comics Kon’s favorite TV show is Wendy The Werewolf Stalker, in the cartoon Conner just... watches white noise static)

Also, having a completely different set of friends with different personalities has a big effect, people are always gonna be influenced by the people they’re close to to some extent. Bumping Conner up to Dick’s generation of heroes instead of Tim’s not only gives him completely different friends, but it also puts him in this position of being one of the ‘Original Team Members’. By this I mean, a member of the first iteration of the only teen team, one of the people that younger heroes coming onto the scene and joining the team in later seasons see as an experienced and older team member to look up to (despite the fact that cartoon Conner is permanently 16- they never fixed that for him like in the comics). That just creates a different dynamic entirely, because in the comics even when the Tim/Kon/Cassie/Bart group are more experienced on their team late in the Teen Titans run, they are still always going to have heroes like Dick Grayson, Donna Troy, Wally West etc as the older generation of ‘original teen heroes’ who came before them.

Also, while I am talking mostly about in-universe reasoning here, I do wanna bring up one slightly more meta reason that might also have contributed to them choosing to go for a more ‘introverted brooding hero’ characterization with him: the fact that their version of Wally already filled the ‘flirty jokey’ archetype original Comics Kon fits into. Having two characters like that in the show from the start would definitely get... overwhelming. And at the time this show was first airing, in the comics, he was relatively devoted to Cassie and not nearly as flirty anymore anyways.

Lex Luthor / Details of Cloning

In the comics, as I have already mentioned and will now actually explain, when Superboy was first introduced he was not the clone of Superman and Lex Luthor as we know him to be today. Kon was a metahuman clone, made with the DNA of Paul Westfield who worked at Cadmus, that they genetically altered to look like Superman, and gave powers based on the energy aura they discovered to exist around Clark’s dead body. This telekinetic field gave Kon the distinct powers he had for his first decade of existence: His Tactile Telekinesis (often referred to by him as TTK)

Lex Luthor was originally not directly involved in his creation, but he was aware that it was going on as is revealed during the Reign of the Supermen arc. Kon’s TTK allowed him to mimic Superman’s flight and strength, but not all of his powers. TTK also gave him powers Superman DOESN’T have, such as his ability to dismantle machinery or mold materials he is touching into different shapes. (The reason this is called Tactile Telekinesis is because there needs to be a tactile element, he needs to be touching the things) 

It is not until 2003, a decade after Superboy was created, that writer Geoff Johns in his Teen Titans run decided to alter Superboy’s origin. He established that Lex Luthor had been the real human DNA donor and that Superman’s Kryptonian DNA was actually used in the cloning process. Around this time, Conner also begins to exhibit more of the typical Kryptonian powers, like Clark did around this age. 

This information is at first only known by Conner and Tim, because the email had actually been sent to Tim directly. The two keep it a secret as Conner was not ready to tell the rest of the team, because he fears the implications it has, and is afraid of becoming evil or being rejected. This revelation about Lex being one of his ‘parents’ DNA-wise coming years into his hero career changes a lot of things for Conner, and makes him begin to question who he is. Unfortunately, Lex does at one point take control of Conner and force him to break Tim’s arm and attack Cassie directly (as well as the rest of the team, but these two specifically are what Conner expresses the most guilt over after the fact). This era of Conner in the comics is where he’s definitely closest to his cartoon counterpart, because he’s very troubled and dealing with a lot of heavy stuff regarding himself as a person. Yet there’s still traces of who he has always been in there. I mean, if you’re only familiar with cartoon Conner, can you really imagine his final words as he’s dying after saving the world being “Isn’t it cool?”

Now, looking at the cartoon…

Conner finds out about his connection to Lex in November, only a few months after having existed outside of a cloning tube. He finds it out on his own, from Lex speaking to him directly, after Conner went back to investigate the remains of Cadmus and ended up having a fight with Match (another clone who is able to pass for Conner’s duplicate who they… their version of Match is another thing they drastically changed from the comic version but as we’ve established that’s something they like to do so I’m not gonna dwell on it).

In the cartoon, Conner’s powerset is, from the start, different from both Superman and comic Superboy. Here he has heightened senses and strength and the ability to leap really far, but he lacks actual flight and some of the other standard Kryptonian powers, and has no TTK. The cartoon explains these gaps in his powers as being due to his half human DNA, and they introduce these patches that are able to suppress his human DNA and give him temporary access to full powers. Lex uses these patches as a way to manipulate him. Much like in the comics, Lex has a code word programmed into Conner that effects him, although it isn’t quite used for the same amount of ‘total mind control’, and he doesn’t get fully brainwashed and turn against the team or anything. Instead, the code word (here “Red Sun” rather than “Aut vincere, aut mori” [Translated as “to conquer or die" / "victory or death”]) just leaves him stuck in a hypnotic trance.

So:

In the comics, Kon finds out after years of believing he was a metahuman clone who was given powers to mimic Superman, that he is actually a clone of Lex Luthor and Superman, which alters his entire perspective on himself! This causes him to become a lot more unsure and anxious about who he is, in stark contrast with how confident he was before. There are still traces of his old self within him, but this is a development in his character that influences him moving forward, making him a bit more serious but still at his core the same person he used to be.

In the cartoon, Conner finds out after months of thinking he was a clone of just Superman, that he has half human DNA and the donor was Lex Luthor. While he always had confidence in his abilities, he was still somewhat lost as a person in knowing who he really was outside of things other people have assigned to him (teammate, boyfriend, superhero, etc), and finding out this information about himself just adds to the uncertainty and frustration.

What it means:

Having this struggle be something Conner has to deal with so early in his existence is one of the most fundamental changes in my opinion. Finding out that Lex Luthor is one of your clone parents is something that will alter your entire perception of yourself and who you are! In the comics, Conner had already been confident in who he was so it shakes his world in a really big way, but in the cartoon he still didn’t know who he really was so it just adds to further confusion. 

I think that even with the more serious characterization Kon starts getting in the 2003 Teen TItans run, his history and past as the fun cool 90′s Metropolis Kid isn’t entirely forgotten, it’s still a part of who he is/was. Sure, maybe he’s sometimes even embarrassed by how he used to be, but it’s not treated as though it didn’t happen. All of his history comes together to create the character and who he is by the time he wears just a T shirt as a costume.

By skipping over the fun era of his life and jumping right into who he was when he started facing these huge changes, it creates such a completely different set of challenges for him and that contributes directly to how he’s characterized. 

Putting it all together

The ultimate point I am trying to reach in all of this is that, beyond just ‘they made a writing choice to make him different’ the environment that Superboy was brought into and the events that took place right when he came into the world greatly influenced the type of character he would become. Every time an adaptation is made of something like comics, there are going to be changes and alterations to fit the world the creators want to make. Sometimes these changes are minor and don’t actually change who a character is (an example for the YJ cartoon’s universe itself: In the tie-in comics [issue 6] it’s established in this universe that the Flying Graysons weren’t just Dick and his parents, but other family members were active parts of it too. One was an uncle also named Richard, who actually survived the fall that killed the rest of his family but was left paralyzed and thus unable to care for him. This uncle already used the nickname ‘Rick’ which is likely why Dick ended up using ‘Dick’ as a name in a modern setting even though it has fallen out of popularity as a nickname because uh, connotations. This is something that is mostly unique to their world and helps to explain some things, but it’s not like tragically losing a few more family members changed their version of Dick and his backstory that drastically. At his core, he still has many similarities to his comic self) but they’re still changes, and that’s okay. Superboy, though, is such an extreme case where they made so many changes that at his core he really does become a completely separate character. Sure he has the name and design, but I was able to write five thousand words about differences here and am struggling to come up with more similarities beyond that.

I think there still could be specks of the original Superboy buried inside cartoon Conner, and that maybe he could have been more like his original version under other circumstances. Looking at these differences and where they come from is, I think, a cool way to begin to understand what elements contribute to who each version of Conner Kent really is. I think it’s clear from how I wrote this that I prefer the comic version, but there are definitely things that are fun to look at and think about with both.

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if u read all of this UH thanks for listenin to me ramble! sorry if this is incomprehensibe!

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[ao3feed-brucewayne]

Damian Wayne x Reader: DETENTION

by avis_writeshq

It never should have come to this. Damian blames himself. He should have been there to protect you - he could have if he tried. Because of his own incompetence, you had to pay the price and now here the both of you are, trapped on top of a skyscraper. The only way out? The window.

my tumblr: avis-writeshq

Words: 5953, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English

Fandoms: DCU (Comics), DCeased (DC Comics), Teen Titans (Animated Series), Teen Titans (Comics), Justice League vs. Teen Titans (2016), Teen Titans: The Judas Contract (2017)

Rating: Teen And Up Audiences

Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence

Categories: F/M

Characters: Damian Wayne, Reader, Batman, Bruce Wayne, Robin (DCU), Alfred Pennyworth, Original Female Character(s)

Relationships: Damian Wayne/Reader

Additional Tags: Guns, Kidnapping, Violence, sexual(?) assault but not really, inspired by detention by melanie martinez, Originally Posted on Tumblr

source https://archiveofourown.org/works/46874980

[phantom-le6]

Ramble of the month December 2023: Phase 4 of the Batman Begins-Led DCEU

We now come to the last ramble of 2023, and to keep me from feeling more stress than I need to around the occasion I often call Stress-Mas, I’m sticking with my comfort zone of superhero film universes that could have been.  In this case, it’s back to imagining the DCEU that could have been if Christopher Nolan’s Batman Begins had launched DC’s live-action film continuity instead of Zack Snyder’s Man of Steel.  So, let’s get right into it by quickly re-capping phases 1-3.

Phase 1:

2005: Batman Begins

2006: Man of Steel

2007: Wonder Woman

2008: The Dark Knight, Green Lantern

2009: The Flash, Man of Steel 2

2010: Aquaman, Justice League

Phase 2:

2011: Wonder Woman 2, Green Lantern 2, Green Arrow

2012: Hawkman, Batman/Superman, Aquaman 2

2013: John Constantine, The Flash 2, Suicide Squad

2014: Justice League 2, Green Arrow 2, Batman: The Long Crusade

Phase 3:

2015: Shazam, Man of Steel 3, The Atom

2016: Wonder Woman 3, Batgirl, Teen Titans

2017: Green Lantern/Green Arrow, Shazam vs Black Adam, Suicide Squad 2

2018: Justice League: Darkseid Rising, Aquaman 3, Doom Patrol

So, phase 1 is basically there to establish the DC universe in a film format and get the Justice League together.  Phase 2 builds on that foundation, but it also takes a big whack at it by having Batman’s caution over his colleagues going rogue cause issues within the league.  With Green Arrow 2, the caution proves apt and brings about a lot of change, which is followed up in phase 3.  Now with the third Justice League film focusing on a prelude to an attack by Darkseid, one may assume phase 4 will take a similar tack to phase 3 of the real-life MCU and play into similar plot threads to Infinity War and Endgame.  However, when we look into phase 4, things aren’t totally what you’d expect.

Phase 4:

2019: Superman: Doomsday, New Gods, Teen Titans: The Judas Contract

2020: Suicide Squad: Arkham, Knightfall, Green Arrow 3

2021: Reign of the Supermen, Green Lantern: Twilight, Knightsend

2022: Justice League: Armageddon, Teen Titans 3, Justice Society

Looking at this, the more knowledgeable DC fans out there can probably see what I mean when I talk about phase 4 maybe not going where you’d think.  We’re channelling some major shake-up story arcs from the 1990’s in this phase, so expect the unexpected is definitely a must.  However, for those who may be less knowledgeable and for those who want to get into the blow-by-blow details, let’s check these hypothetical DCEU phase 4 films.

Superman: Doomsday (2019) Directed by JJ Abrams

Superman/Kal-El/Clark Kent = Brandon Routh

Lois Lane = Kate Bosworth

Kara Zor-El/Supergirl = Dakota Fanning

Doomsday = Terry Notary

Lex Luthor = Kelsey Grammer

Mercy Graves = Scarlett Johannsen

John Henry Irons = Aldis Hodge

Hank Henshaw = John Kraskinski

Terri Henshaw = Kate Mara

Martha Kent = Diane Lane

Jonathan Kent = Kevin Costner

Jor-El = Russell Crowe

Dr Emil Hamilton = Richard Schiff

Perry White = Sam Neill

Jimmy Olsen = Rider Strong

Cat Grant = January Jones

Steve Lombard = Josh Brolin

Capt. Maggie Sawyer = Jeri Ryan

Insp. Turpin = Colin Farrell

Bibbo Bibbowski = Luke Hemsworth

Mongul = Ioan Gruffudd

Guy Gardner = Damian Lewis

Dinah Lance/Black Canary = Malin Akerman

J'onn J'onzz/Martian Manhunter = Chiwetel Ejiofor

Barry Allen/The Flash = Matt Damon

Booster Gold/Michael Jon Carter = Alexander Ludwig

Fire/Beatriz Bonilla da Costa = Selena Gomez

Ice/Tora Olafsdotter = Kristine Froseth

Mari McCabe/Vixen = Lupita Nyong'o

To date, the Death of Superman story arc of the 1990’s has had three adaptations in film.  The first was an animated home-release film called Superman: Doomsday, which heavily shortened the death arc and went a long way off the original source material story regarding Superman’s absence and eventual return.  Next came Zack Snyder’s Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice, which essentially shoe-horned a version of the story into its ending, then mangled the resurrection arc between Snyder and Joss Whedon in the 2017 Justice League film.  Third were the DCAMU film adaptations from 2018 and 2019, with the first being a fairly accurate adaptation of the Death arc, while the second film was similarly good quality on part 2.

For this alternate DCEU, I’d want to borrow the title of the first attempt, ignore anything Snyder-based and try for a longer and slightly different variation on what the DCAMU gave us.  As a result, we still get a good quality adaptation without being a carbon copy.  The plot is roughly the same, in that Superman would have to go up against an alien monster called Doomsday, and has to lay down his life to end the threat.  However, changes include the Justice League line-up aiding him, Lex Luthor isn’t trying to pass himself off as his illegitimate Australian son (don’t know what the comics were thinking on that one), and of course it’s the more modern Supergirl on hand instead of the 90’s version.

The cast is mostly retained from prior films, though a few are new in this film, specifically Doomsday, the Henshaws, Bibbowski, Mongul and JL members Fire, Ice and Booster Gold.  In addition, there’s a change of direction; up to now, each Superman film has had different directors, going from Roland Emmerich to Ron Howard to Guillermo del Toro, with Rob Marshall directing the Batman/Superman film in phase 2.  This time, it’s JJ Abrams taking up the reigns, having previously been my selection for the two Flash solo films of this alternate DCEU.

New Gods (2019) Directed by Ridley Scott

Scott Free/Mister Miracle = Charlie Cox

Barda Free/Big Barda = Lindsay Kay Hayward

Darkseid = Bernard Hill

Izaya the Inheritor/Highfather = Brian Cox

Orion = Tom Hardy

Solis/Lightray = Charlie Hunnam

Bekka = Danielle Fishel

Metron = Jonny Lee Miller

Forager = Steven Yeun

DeSaad = David Wenham

Mantis = Winston Duke

Virman Vundabar = August Diehl

Granny Goodness = Stockard Channing

Bernadeth = Rachel Weisz

Bloody Mary = Jennifer Stone

Lashina = Kristin Kreuk

Mad Harriett = Hannah John-Kamen

Stompa = Ronda Rousey

Steppenwolf = Ciarán Hinds

Kalibak = Liev Schreiber

For this film, we’re following up on events from the previous Justice League film as well as our Death of Superman adaptation.  With Superman down, the heroes Mister Miracle and Big Barda return to their home-world of New Genesis in an attempt to bring their kin to Earth’s defence against an almost-certain assault by Darkseid.  However, their leader Highfather is unwilling to violate a non-aggression pact between their world and Darkseid’s planet Apokolips.  However, Darkseid is less scrupulous and facing potential usurpation by Virman Vundabar, so it’s actually New Genesis that comes under attack.

This film is very much about getting a better look at Darkseid and his supporting cast, while at the same time getting to explore the New Gods and paying cinematic homage to one of the more notable Jack Kirby creations from his DC Comics work.  Mister Miracle, Big Barda, Darkseid, DeSaad, Steppenwolf and Kalibak are brought back from the last Justice League film, while everyone else is introduced for the first time.  The castings of Danielle Fishel and Jennifer Stone attest to the attention I’ve paid at times to Disney Channel sit-coms (in this case, Boy Meets World/Girl Meets World and Wizards of Waverley Place, respectively), while most others are from a smattering of various mainstream films and shows.

As we’re dealing with alien worlds, I picked Aliens director Ridley Scott to helm this one.  This is a first-time pick for this alternate DCEU.

Teen Titans: The Judas Contract (2019) Directed by Matthew Vaughan

Richard Grayson/Robin/Nightwing = Patrick Schwarzenegger

Koriand'r/Starfire = Elle Fanning

Donna Troy/Wonder Girl = Ciara Bravo

Wallace "Wally" West/Kid Flash = Calum Worthy

Raven = Maisie Williams

Victor Stone/Cyborg = Ashton Sanders

Garfield "Gar" Logan/Beast Boy = Dylan Sprayberry

Tara Markov/Terra = Emma Bading

Joseph Wilson/Jericho = Brenock O'Connor

Slade Wilson/Deathstroke = Daniel Day-Lewis

Sebastian Blood/Brother Blood = Tyler Hoechlin

Mother Mayhem = Jennifer Connelly

Adeline Kane = Kristin Davis

Wintergreen = Martin Shaw

The Judas Contract is a 1980’s story arc for the young heroes that’s seen a couple of adaptations, first in the team’s animated series of the early 2000’s and then as a film within the DCAMU.  It’s a good tragic story, as well as a coming-of-age story about being careful who you trust.  This film version would try to adapt it a bit closer to the comics, including the incorporation of Deathstroke’s mute son Jericho, his estranged wife Adeline and his best friend Wintergreen.  The film would also showcase Dick Grayson’s shift from Robin to Nightwing, and since Terra is of Eastern/Mid-European descent like her brother in the Outsiders, the casting takes this into account.

While the main Titans and Deathstroke return from past films, Terra and the other characters are new.  Emma Bading is a German actress with a decent filmography who would be of comparable age to the other Titans, hence her selection.  Direction-wise, I’m looking to Matthew Vaughan, having previously picked him in this alternate DCEU for the solo Green Lantern films, based primarily on the work he did on X-Men: First Class.

Suicide Squad: Arkham (2020) Directed by Guillermo del Toro

Amanda Waller = Viola Davis

Rick Flag Jr. = Joel Kinnaman

Floyd Lawton/Deadshot = Christian Slater

Captain Boomerang/Digger Harkness = Hugh Jackman

Dr Harleen Quinzel/Harley Quinn = Margot Robbie

Ben Turner/Bronze Tiger = Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje

Cheshire/Jade Nguyen = Rila Fukushima

Nanaue/King Shark = Sylvester Stalone

Claire Selton/Volcana = Kirsten Stewart

Killer Croc/Waylon Jones = Tyler Mane

Cluemaster/Arthur Brown = Martin McDonagh

Cavalier/Mortimer Drake = Kit Harington

Sonar/Bito Wladon = Silvio Simac

Baffler/Titus Czonka = Michael Chicklis

Bane = Rodrigo Santoro

Angel Vallelunga/Bird = Diego Luna

Zombie = Stephen Merchant

Trogg = Luis Guzmán

Dr Jeremiah Arkham = Dan Stevens

Oswald Cobblepot/Penguin = Sean Astin

Det. Crispus Allen = Djimon Honsou

Det. Peter Foley = Matt Le Blanc

Barbara Gordon/Batgirl = Bella Thorne

Having used Guillermo del Toro of Blade 2 fame to helm a third solo Superman film and the second Suicide Squad film of this alternate DC film universe, I’ve brought him back for a film that leads directly into the Knightfall/Knightsend duology.  In this case, Amanda Waller has heard rumours of a new player in Gotham City planning to make some kind of move on Arkham Asylum.  To that end, she recruits two Suicide Squads; one made up mostly of lesser Gotham villains who are to find out who the new player is and stop them, the other as back-up in case the first team fails or turns traitor.  As to why team 1 lacks the usual explosive fail-safes, this is so Waller can avoid being found out, as Batman is wise to such things.  However, as the film progresses, it’s more Batgirl and Detectives Allen and Foley of the GCPD who periodically disrupt the operation.

As the plot develops, the threat of Bane is ultimately revealed, at great cost to the Squad.  In fact, this is where the first real shock probably comes in, because this film will see Harley Quinn killed by Bane.  This is done largely to show that no one is safe from Bane and increase the stakes for the upcoming Batman films, but it also sets up for a Joker-related film plot in the next phase of this alternate DCEU.  I won’t go into unpicking all the new versus old casting on this one; if you look through my Ramble articles past on this alternate DCEU, you’ll be able to see for yourselves.

Knightfall (2020) Directed by Matt Reeves

Bruce Wayne/Batman = Christian Bale

Alfred Pennyworth = Michael Caine

Tim Drake/Robin II = David Mazouz

Lucius Fox = Morgan Freeman

James "Jim" Gordon = Gary Oldman

Bane = Rodrigo Santoro

Angel Vallelunga/Bird = Diego Luna

Zombie = Stephen Merchant

Trogg = Luis Guzmán

Jean-Paul Valley/Azrael/Batman II = Connor Jessup

Nomoz = Michael Klebba

Det. Harvey Bullock = Donal Logue

Det. Renee Montoya = Penelope Cruz

The Joker = Willem Dafoe

Dr Pamela Isley/Poison Ivy = April Bowlby

Edward Nygma/Riddler = John Barrowman

Arnold Wesker/Ventriloquist = Giovanni Ribisi

Burt Weston/Film Freak = Luke Mitchell

Jervis Tetch/Mad Hatter = Matthew Jaeger

Aaron Helzinger/Amygdala = David Denman

Victor Zsasz = Elijah Wood

Maxie Zeus = Goran Višnjić

Jonathan Crane/Scarecrow = Cillian Murphy

Carleton LeHah = Lambert Wilson

Jack Drake = Tobey Maguire

Mrs. McIlvaine = Sinéad Cusack

Dr Shondra Kinsolving = Aisha Tyler

Mayor Armand Krol = Eli Roth

Dr Jeremiah Arkham = Dan Stevens

Dr Simpson Flanders = Aaron Taylor-Johnson

Knightfall is an epic-length film that covers much of the comic story arc of the same name from Batman comics on the 1990’s.  In the original arc, Bane breaks out all the villains of Arkham Asylum, forcing an already weary Batman to exhaust himself chasing down the escapees prior to a showdown with Bane.  In that showdown, Bane broke Batman’s back, forcing Bruce Wayne to hand the cape-and-cowl over to apprentice superhero Jean-Paul Valley, who was trying to overcome brainwashing he’d undergone to be an assassin of sorts called Azrael.  After an opening act to introduce Azrael a few months prior, the film then jumps in at the moment the preceding Suicide Squad film ends; with Bane firing a rocket at Arkham to bust the villains out.

With a montage here and there to expedite matters, Batman wears himself down as before, only to be broken by Bane as in the comics, and as before, Jean-Paul is handed the mantle of the Batman.  However, it soon becomes clear this may have been a mistake, and when Jean-Paul confronts Bane, it’s uncertain whether the new Batman will triumph over his mental trauma or not.  The film contains a huge ensemble cast and covers a wide range of Batman characters both good and evil.  To direct, I’ve picked Matt Reeves, who did the Planet of the Apes reboots and in this alternate DCEU has already helmed the third solo Batman film.

Green Arrow 3 (2020) Directed by Rian Johnson

Oliver Queen/Green Arrow = Ethan Hawke

Dinah Lance/Black Canary = Malin Akerman

Connor Hawke/Green Arrow II = Levon Hawke

Eddie Fyers = Seth Green

Roy Harper/Speedy/Arsenal = Cameron Monaghan

Veronica Dale/Hyrax = Anna Kendrick

Leopard/Leonard/Ed Pinkwater = Ian Somerhalder

Camorouge = Émilie Dequenne

Callendar = Jon Cryer

Dreyfus = Method Man

Nathan = Sam Worthington

Paine = Michael B Jordan

Monroe = Jon Bernthal

Belle = Sara Paxton

Green Lantern/Hal Jordan = Ben Affleck

As 90’s DC fans might guess, this film is all about adapting Oliver Queen’s death from 90’s comics into film, though I swap Superman out for Green Lantern on three counts.  First, slating this film for in-between Superman’s death and return prohibits his involvement.  Two, Hal and Ollie have long had a major bromance to add greater importance to the climax.  Three, it makes the built-up to our solo GL film a bit better, as we will see.  Aside from Hal Jordan, only Oliver Queen, Dinah and Roy are returning rolls, while the rest of the characters are all new and largely exclusive to this film and its storyline.

What is the story line, beyond killing the original Green Arrow?  Well, like the comics, Ollie goes undercover with a group of eco-terrorists to uncover their plans, but he starts to fall for a member of the group, and at the same time, Ollie’s illegitimate son shows up looking to connect with his dad.  For film direction, I’ve gone with Rian Johnson, a new selection for our alternate DCEU based on his work with the Star Wars film The Last Jedi.

Reign of the Supermen (2021) Directed by JJ Abrams

Superman/Kal-El/Clark Kent = Brandon Routh

Lois Lane = Kate Bosworth

Kara Zor-El/Supergirl = Dakota Fanning

Hank Henshaw/Cyborg Superman = Brandon Routh

The Eradicator = Brandon Routh

Conner Kent/Con-El/Superboy = Asher Angel

Mongul = Ioan Gruffudd

Lex Luthor = Kelsey Grammer

Mercy Graves = Scarlett Johannsen

John Henry Irons/Steel = Aldis Hodge

Jaina Hudson/White Rabbit = Hayley Kiyoko

Green Lantern/Hal Jordan = Ben Affleck

Martha Kent = Diane Lane

Jonathan Kent = Kevin Costner

Jor-El = Russell Crowe

Dr Emil Hamilton = Richard Schiff

Perry White = Sam Neill

Jimmy Olsen = Rider Strong

Cat Grant = January Jones

Steve Lombard = Josh Brolin

Capt. Maggie Sawyer = Jeri Ryan

Insp. Turpin = Colin Farrell

Bibbo Bibbowski = Luke Hemsworth

Obviously, this film covers the return of Superman arc in much the same way as the comics do in the broadest sense; four Supermen turn up, Lois tries to work out who the real one is, one turns out to be a villain in league with the alien tyrant Mongul, whose role is expanded in this film.  Their plans destroy Hal Jordan’s home town of Coast City, but Metropolis is saved by the returning real Superman.  The film borrows a bit from its DCAMU counterpart by simplifying the Eradicator’s history, and indeed over this film and the previous Superman one we’ve done the same with Hank Henshaw.  This is because the characters had prior history with Superman in the comics, but our film continuity wouldn’t cover that, so a bit of a tweak is in order.

Now because both the Eradicator and Henshaw were meant to resemble Superman outwardly to some extent, the casting of them is now a matter of putting Brandon Routh into those roles as well as playing his original Superman role in the third act.  We also get another step on Hal Jordan’s descent into darkness, something that hasn’t had a proper adaptation in any media.  The closest we’ve come is the last Green Lantern solo film in DC’s Tomorrow-verse continuity, which frankly isn’t that good, but more on this under the next film.  JJ Abrams remains the director here to keep things consistent within this duology.

Green Lantern: Twilight (2021) Directed by Sam Raimi

Green Lantern/Hal Jordan/Parallax = Ben Affleck

Carol Ferris = Liv Tyler

Tom Kalmaku = Taika Waititi

Thaal Sinestro = Mark Strong

Kilowog = Tyrese Gibson

Kyle Rayner/Green Lantern II = Taylor Lautner

Alex DeWitt = Hunter King

Clifford Zmeck/Major Force = Luke Evans

Mongul = Ioan Gruffudd

Superman/Kal-El/Clark Kent = Brandon Routh

Boodikka = Gina Carano

Ke'Haan = Kevin Durand

Laira = Emma Stone

Kreon = Ryan Philippe

Ganthet = Patrick Stewart

Sayd = Glenn Close

Appa Ali Apsa = Hugo Weaving

Tomar Tu = Tom Hiddleston

Jack T. Chance = Colton Haynes

Hannu = Lee Pace

Graf Toren = Hiroyuki Sanada

As you might imagine, this film would be filmed in close proximity to the two before it to facilitate the various cross-over aspects of it.  This time, we’re doing the Emerald Twilight/New Dawn story arc, in which Hal Jordan suffers a mental breakdown after his home town is destroyed during the events of Superman’s return.  In a fit of anger, he rampages across the stars to Oa, home planet of the Green Lantern Corps, defeating fellow lanterns and swiping their power rings.  After a final showdown with his friend Kilowog and enemy Sinestro, Hal takes all the power of the central Lantern battery, becoming a villain known as Parallax who plans to remake the universe to prevent the destruction of Coast City.  However, a last member of the Guardians travels to Earth and bestows a last Lantern ring on freelance artist Kyle Rayner, and thus a new Green Lantern is found, but one who must master the ring with no GL corps or Guardians to guide him.

Again, not going to unpick who is new and who is long-standing for this film as it would be a bit long-winded to explain.  However, as we don’t really include Golden Age superheroes like original GL Alan Scott, exposition regarding Hal’s actions to Kyle ends up coming from Superman’s appearances in the film, as well as human GLs Guy Gardner and John Stewart.  Due to the way Hal acts in this story arc, not to mention this film adapting the infamous murder of Kyle Rayner’s girlfriend, I picked Sam Raimi to direct this film based on his horror film background.  Raimi was also my pick to direct a John Constantine one-off film in phase 2 of this alternate DCEU.

Knightsend (2021) Directed by Matt Reeves

Bruce Wayne/Batman = Christian Bale

Alfred Pennyworth = Michael Caine

Tim Drake/Robin II = David Mazouz

Jean-Paul Valley/Azrael/Batman II = Connor Jessup

Lucius Fox = Morgan Freeman

James "Jim" Gordon = Gary Oldman

Bane = Rodrigo Santoro

Richard Grayson/Nightwing = Patrick Schwarzenegger

Jack Drake = Tobey Maguire

Mrs. McIlvaine = Sinéad Cusack

Dr Shondra Kinsolving = Aisha Tyler

Mayor Armand Krol = Eli Roth

Det. Harvey Bullock = Donal Logue

Det. Renee Montoya = Penelope Cruz

The Joker = Willem Dafoe

Tallyman = Bill Skarsgard

Lady Shiva = Ming-Na Wen

Tony Bressi = Milo Ventimiglia

Arnold Etchison/Abattoir = Robert Kazinsky

Benedict Asp = Jason Isaacs

Colonel Vega = David Nykl

Yuri = John Morrison

Graham Etchison = Bill Hader

Penn Selkirk = Jason Sudeikis

Carter = Liam Cunningham

Barbara Gordon/Batgirl = Bella Thorne

When Bruce’s doctor Shondra Kinsolving is abducted, the crippled Bruce Wayne begins a search that leads to the healing of his back at great cost, while Jean-Paul Valley grows increasingly unstable.  Now heavily armoured and armed, this Batman is more brutal, and when a man dies from Jean-Paul’s behaviour, the recovered Bruce Wayne must begin a crash-course in the fighting arts in order to confront his errant replacement and reclaim the mantle of the bat.  Again keeping Matt Reeves in the directorial position for duology consistency, this film focuses on the follow-up to Knightfall as the defeated Bane is moved aside and the battle comes out as original Batman versus would-be replacement.

Justice League: Armageddon (2022) Directed by The Russo Brothers

Superman/Kal-El/Clark Kent = Brandon Routh

Diana/Wonder Woman = Kate Beckinsale

J'onn J'onzz/Martian Manhunter = Chiwetel Ejiofor

Barry Allen/The Flash = Matt Damon

Kyle Rayner/Green Lantern II = Taylor Lautner

Fire/Beatriz Bonilla da Costa = Selena Gomez

Ice/Tora Olafsdotter = Kristine Froseth

Arthur Curry/Aquaman = Chris Pine

Dinah Lance/Black Canary = Malin Akerman

Amanda Waller = Viola Davis

Floyd Lawton/Deadshot = Christian Slater

Ben Turner/Bronze Tiger = Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje

Killer Croc/Waylon Jones = Tyler Mane

Jaina Hudson/White Rabbit = Hayley Kiyoko

Weather Wizard/Mark Mardon = Michael Fassbender

Shimmer = Anna Faris

Eve Eden/Nightshade = Debby Ryan

Dr Pamela Isley/Poison Ivy = April Bowlby

Scott Free/Mister Miracle = Charlie Cox

Barda Free/Big Barda = Lindsay Kay Hayward

Darkseid = Bernard Hill

Orion = Tom Hardy

Metron = Jonny Lee Miller

Granny Goodness = Stockard Channing

Bernadeth = Rachel Weisz

Bloody Mary = Jennifer Stone

Lashina = Kristin Kreuk

Mad Harriett = Hannah John-Kamen

Stompa = Ronda Rousey

Steppenwolf = Ciarán Hinds

Kalibak = Liev Schreiber

Dr Niles Caulder/The Chief = Pierce Brosnan

Clifford Steele/Robot Man = Johnny Whitworth

Larry Trainor/Negative Man = Alessandro Nivola

Rita Farr/Elasti-Girl = Alyssa Milano

Mento/Steve Dayton = Nathan Fillion

Bumblebee/Karen Beecher = Kyla Pratt

Vox/Malcom Duncan = Donald Glover

Hal Jordan/Parallax = Ben Affleck

John Stewart = Derek Luke

Guy Gardner = Damian Lewis

Wallace "Wally" West/Kid Flash = Calum Worthy

Our latest Justice League film brings a few different plot threads in from past films.  Following the events of Justice League: Darkseid Rising, the death and return of Superman and the New Gods film, Darkseid finally dares to try and assault Earth.  Forewarned by survivors sent from New Genesis, the Justice League gathers what heroes it can, and also reaches out to the Suicide Squad.  The Doom Patrol also appears, but at the climax of the film, as Darkseid takes to the field of battle, there are two major shocks; the death of the Flash, and the arrival of Parallax, who decides to wipe out the forces of Apokalips.  Suddenly it's not an alien tyrant who threatens the armageddon of the film’s title, but one of their very own turned to darkness by grief and fear.

The film has a huge ensemble cast, largely reprising roles from past films.  Debby Ryan as Suicide Squad member Nightshade is the sole piece of new casting in this film, and as for direction, I decided that the work done by the Russo Brothers in the MCU, especially Infinity War and Endgame, earns them the chance to direct this film and one or two subsequent instalments in this film universe.

Teen Titans 3 (2022) Directed by Matthew Vaughan

Richard Grayson/Nightwing = Patrick Schwarzenegger

Koriand'r/Starfire = Elle Fanning

Donna Troy/Wonder Girl/Troia = Ciara Bravo

Raven = Maisie Williams

Victor Stone/Cyborg = Ashton Sanders

Garfield "Gar" Logan/Beast Boy = Dylan Sprayberry

Trigon = Viggo Mortensen

Dr Arthur Light = James McAvoy

Cassie Sandsmark/Wonder Girl II = Amiah Miller

M'Gann M'orzz/Miss Martian = Marsai Martin

Jaime Reyes/Blue Beetle = Iñaki Godoy

Tim Drake/Robin II = David Mazouz

Conner Kent/Con-El/Superboy = Asher Angel

Roy Harper/Speedy/Arsenal = Cameron Monaghan

Tempest/Garth = Luke Benward

For this film, we retain Matthew Vaughan from our last Teen Titans film for directing and explain the absence of the Teen Titans from Justice League: Apocalypse a little.  Following an arc over all three Teen Titans films, Raven is struggling to contain her father’s presence, but after a major fight with the villainous Doctor Light, Trigon manages to possess Raven and attacks the Titans through her.  With the main team decimated, a group of new, younger teen heroes rise to aid their predecessors.  By the end, what Titans remain would not be in much shape to fight, win or lose.  Much of the cast is retained from past films, with the characters of Doctor Light, Wonder Girl II, Miss Martian and Blue Beetle being the newcomers for this instalment.

Justice Society (2022) Directed by James Gunn

Jay Garrick/Flash = Miles Teller

Alan Scott/Green Lantern = Lucas Till

Ted Grant/Wildcat = Robbie Amell

Rex Tyler/Hourman = Adam DeVine

Carter Hall/Hawkman = Sullivan Stapleton

Kendra Saunders/Hawkgirl = Jessica Alba

Billy Batson/Shazam = Zachary Gordon/Zachary Levi

Isaac Brown/Fiddler = Stephen Dorff

Cameron Mahkent/Icicle = Sendhil Ramamurthy

Richard Swift/Shade = Anthony Carrigan

Paula Brooks/Huntress = Gemma Chan

Neal Emerson/Doctor Polaris = Nicholas Hoult

Henry King Jr./Brain Wave = Ray Stevenson

Hal Jordan/Parallax = Ben Affleck

Black Adam/Teth-Adam = Dwayne Johnson

Metron = Jonny Lee Miller

Closing out phase 4 of my alternate DCEU is a take on the Justice Society that borrows from a Justice League animated series story line and Marvel’s Wandavision series.  In this film, Hawkman, Hawkgirl and Shazam wake up in a world where they’re part of the Justice Society, a superhero team operating in a 1950’s-style American mid-west town.  Though they initially suspect nothing wrong, Hawkman’s past life memories and Shazam’s wisdom of Soloman begin to disrupt a strange mental hold, and as they do, the infamous Injustice Guild becomes much deadlier.  In reality, Parallax is doing a test-run of his proposed plans to the time stream, but as the test is disrupted from within, the New God Metron convinces anti-hero Black Adam to interfere from without.

For direction, I went with James Gunn out of curiosity to see what he could do with this, given that in real life he’s become the DC film-verse’s equivalent to Marvel’s Kevin Feige.  In terms of casting, the individual characters mentioned in the paragraph above are all returning actors, while everyone else is new and exclusive to this film.  As for why I think this would be a good approach on the Justice Society, that’s down to a desire to pay homage to the early comics in a way that’s nostalgic while also advancing the Parallax story arc.

So, that’s it for phase 4 of this alternate DCEU.  More to come on this and my alternate MCU in the new year, but not right away as I’m hoping to get more variation on the go in the new year.  So, until next month, Merry Christmas to everyone celebrating that occasion, Happy Holidays for those celebrating something else, have a prosperous new year when we get to the end of this year, and otherwise ta-ta for now.

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Jake: This is an opportunity for us to become more familiar with each other.

Marco: How much more familiar can we get? We've already seen David lick himself.

Cassie: As a dog?

Rachel: I wish.