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SCOURGE SUNDAY 010/???
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#scourge wc#warriors#warrior cats#scourge warriors#wc scourge#scourge#scourge warrior cats#bloodclan#scourge sunday#<--just now realizing i should be tagging these LOL#anywayz in honor of getting 2 double digitz i thought it would be fun to redraw the scourge from my first like. Big Post#shout out 2 thos who hav been here long enough to reconize him#off topic but i figured a style of doing skullz tht ive been having a lot of fun w/#bcuz i find weeding vinyl stickerz rly fun n needed more designz so i would hav excusez 2 cut thm out LMAO#my fave is the horse skull#honestly i should probz post my like physical object craftz2 more thn just instgram im just bad at taking picz#n the insta is 4 like. irl shit like marketz n stuff#ive got a market on the 25th actually pretty pumped ive got a lot of neat stuffz#if u liv in/near calgary alberta u can come say haiii#not a very wc heavy table of course i try 2 avoid making 2 much fanart merch. but. i did use the older halloween scourge 2 make a patch heh#need 2 remake the stencil 4 tht actually now tht i hav a proper heatpress ive discovered tht the red ink kinda brightenz#n showz thru the white so i can hav it be just a big undershape anymore trusting the white 2 fully cover the issuez LOL#ok ive gotten way 2 off topic n this is entirely 2 many wordz. enjoy this scourge
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Ewe too impatient wanna post!
Anyway! Moral Orel is such a good show. Orel is my son.
Other doodles!!!
I love them. I can't believe I married Reverend Putty and we adopted Orel together omg.
#moral orel#orel puppington#reverend putty#rod putty#my art#sketches#moral orel fanart#legit dunno what other tags to put uh-#anyway#I know none of my followers are here for art of this show#but god the hold it has on my mind. the themes. the depictions of such heavy topics#its so!!!! augh#i love Orel so much watching him grow despite it all. Watching him try so hard not to lose his wonder and whimsy#only for the town and his family to snuff it out. and yet he gets a happy ending despite it all... Its beautiful really#anyway!!!!!!!!!#back to your regularly scheduled scrolling
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As grim as it may be, I do think about how Utena portrays its on-screen rapes.
Even now, you see a lot of attitudes in the real world about how it supposedly doesn't count as rape if the victim doesn't struggle or try to fight back or get away, or how it supposedly isn't rape if the victim doesn't explicitly say "no" or "stop", or how it supposedly only counts as rape if it's in certain positions, or how it supposedly isn't rape if the victim seems to "enjoy" it, or how it supposedly isn't rape if the victim keeps seeing their rapist afterwards -- among so many other horrible attitudes that rape culture perpetuates. I've certainly seen those kinds of attitudes colour the more obnoxious discourse that's surrounded scenes like these over the years.
Something about what rape can look like.
(All screenshots from ohtori.nu)
#revolutionary girl utena#anthy himemiya#touga kiryuu#utena tenjou#akio ohtori#rape /#csa /#incest /#utena ep 33 /#spoilers#sorry to inflict such a grim and painful post on the fandom (including on myself)#this is a heavy topic for me as well so apologies if my thoughts here aren't the most fully formed#gala's meta
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sega please do not save maria please do not save maria PLEASE do not save mariaaaaaaa sega PLEASE
#shadow the hedgehog#sonic x shadow generations#sonic#sonic the hedgehog#sxsg spoilers#sxs generations#maria robotnik#the very end of the story trailer looks interesting but the implications are giving me BIG concerns not gonna lie#I lost a family member at a very young age and my number 1 most LOATHED trope of all time is undoing the loss of a loved one#so far all the official game content that has touched on maria and gerald completely avoids to commit with confirming her death#which if the reasoning is in order to avoid spoiling the impact in game --I get it#but i am also EXTREMELY worried that they're planning to use time-shenanigans to “tastefully” retcon a difficult lore topic altogether#her death is MEANINGFUL and IMPORTANT and HOLDS DEEP IMPACT TO SHADOW AS A LESSON IN GROWING AND LETTING GO!!#sega you are so so close to peak here please PLEASE do not mess this up#people think kids can't handle heavy topics like death in media#but for kids going through this kind of thing in real life it is SO important to be able to see characters learning to navigate grief#you will not look cool for bringing them back. please don't do this
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I am going on a 20 hour flight tomorrow please give me your favourite less well-known narrative fiction podcast recommendations
#i lean towards horror but i am open to anything#I've listened to a LOT of podcasts so I've heard of. a lot of them. but obviously there are always more.#if you are a person who makes an audio drama you are welcome to reoly and plug yourself#no shame here i need good content#i have a STRONG preference for stuff with carefully laid audio editing#(which doesnt necessarily mean heavy audioscapes or a lot of foley. it just means i like it when editors make a clean product)#(i say this as someone who is extremely meticulous about my own audio production)#(also: hire me? i only have one real example atm but I'm a kickass producer lol)#(but that's off topic)#RECOMMENDATIONS PLEASE#podcasts#podcast recommendations#audio drama#audio drama recommendations#fiction podcast#horror podcast#the system speaks
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"Sounds like a plot by the gang", "oh they're definitely writing this in the next season," I know it's all silly jokes, but with all due respect and no ill will, if they learned anything from their recent seasons, you're all wrong. While Sunny has always been used to perform both political and social commentary and satire since its inception, where they largely failed (and subsequently course corrected away from) in later years was trying too hard to connect the gang to every major current event without regard to who these characters actually are, losing sight of the smaller plots and grounded core of what makes Sunny and the gang so appealing in the first place, (and also needlessly dating the episodes in a jarringly noticeable way).
And the reason season 16 didn't fall into this trap and felt so much like classic Sunny again in a way even 15 didn't is partly because they realized this and reigned the focus back in to be on the gang themselves, rather than the gang as mere mouthpieces or moving props, (while still finding a balance within those core dynamics, covering a much broader modern commentary on things like false nostalgia, technology, allusions to more niche stories and etc. Current issues as seasoning, but NOT as the whole dish.)
But also, all that aside, other than maaaybe Frank in some 'that bastard owes me money from the 80s' roundabout or accidental way, the gang aren't trying to assassinate anyone because 1. they don't care or know shit about politics on a bigger level, get real, and 2. even if they did or ever would contemplate an assassination amongst themselves, which is entirely possible given past discussions (ie jumper and others), at their heart, they don't actually have the purposeful disposition for that sort of thing and have always been all talk, no action, so that kinda plot would never make it past the bar threshold, let alone to the pulling the trigger stage before they chicken out, realize they don't care or get distracted by some other random scheme.
Now, all that isn't to say they might not reference it in some other more subtle way like for example, Frank thinking someone's trying to assassinate him and taking wild measures to protect himself from his enemies or something, I don't know, but we've just recently had another gun focused episode so in all likelihood, it's not in the cards, it shouldn't be in the cards... and that's probably definitely for the best.
#iasip#anmmbposts#text#throwing this mess of words out here at 2am wtv#idk if i worded this all how i wanted#and i'm not trying to sound hostile! i just i think some things in year in review and such were character weak points#and it was so refreshing when sunny found their balance between the gang and the commentary again#because it was very heavy handed for a bit ?#and like doing something with this event would feel like sliding backwards a little#like there's nothing else for them to say on this topic they have already said it
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It's a bit of a shame that the Dada Dog isn't a child of Lila. Considering the motif of the suffering dog and the thematic topics of abuse and lack of agency, and considering the fraternity's intentions when "creating" Lila, Garage Heathen could have incorporated the puppy mill practice as another symbol. A dog maintained by its owners just enough so that it may be indiscriminately bred and provide its owners with offspring, for the owners' benefit— certified Who's Lila moment
#who's lila?#who's lila#whos lila#lila#grand beaver original#sa tw#abuse tw#animal abuse tw#tell me if i need to include more tags!#anyways. hello everyone! I'm glad people like the t-gotchi meme#i'm taking a break from a piece I'm working on right now (not WL- for fundraising)#and i just wanted to post a thought I've been nursing. this game's exploration and combination of its sensitive topics means a lot to me#and i have a lot I'd like to express in fics and art but i fear that by the time I'll be free enough to finish any of either#it'll be Too Late. by my own arbitrary standards#so here is a Text Post. i apologize that this is a rather heavy thing to dwell and write on haha
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i’m not sure if you guys like my stories but here’s another one
about a month or so ago, i was doing a deep clean of our apartment, and there was a big heavy box we’ve been meaning to get rid of for a while that was from our mom but we didn’t want it
we decided to throw it away by rolling it like a square wheel out of our apartment and onto the stairs, where our next door neighbor was at the bottom of the stairs bringing up groceries
i accidentally lost control of the box and it started rolling down the stairs, thankfully slow enough that the dude could just walk out of the way of the box of death and then said “hey that’s one way to do it” and i just nervously laughed back
i’m just really glad i didn’t accidentally kill our neighbor
#not a heritage post#off topic#coincidentally there was another big heavy box here#but delilah’s dad ordered it#so i had it sent back
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ughhhhhhhhh
#i’m writing pmreader & dazais first time w each other but#it deals with some very heavy topics#and there’s been so much harassment about dc lately on here twt and tt that it makes me nervous
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Time and Grief in Eternal Yesterday
Eternal Yesterday (Eien no Kinou) is an astonishing show. It is one of the most visceral explorations of grief, letting the audience sit with the feeling of it, that I have seen on screen for a long time. I especially loved how it explored the experience of time while grieving.
Grief alters time. It changes your internal sense of time. It takes you out of equilibrium with everyone who is not experiencing grief with you. The world moves on. People move on. People forget. The clocks don't stop despite our pleas. Grief bisects time; events become labeled Before and After. Everything reorients around it.
This disorientation of time is what Eternal Yesterday conveys so powerfully, both in its magical realism conceit and in its technical structure and pacing.
First, I would also like to talk about a poem. @bengiyo also shared a phenomenal poem by Shane Koyczan in this wonderful post about this show which I have been thinking about and listening to again and again (reading by the poet here, transcript here). While I was watching, I had another poem ringing in my head. I think there is something about grief that is often best captured in the sparseness of poetry for me personally, and in that way Eternal Yesterday feels a bit like a poem, and echoes these poems.
Recently, I have been reading Victoria Chang's poetry book Obit, which frames her grief over her mother's death and her father's illness as deconstructed obituaries.
The difference is called grieving. I think this is the space that Eternal Yesterday occupies. It uses magical realism to forcibly extend the period before reality and grief can fully set in. Mitsuru is desperately clinging to the moment of before, when Koichi hasn't actually died yet, because once he leaves that moment he can't go back.
In the moments before the truck driver comes and sees the body, Mitsuru is in a state of denial, an impossible version of events in which Koichi survived the impact and being thrown in the air for meters, even though all the evidence points to his death. He calls his name, expecting him to just wake up. The truck driver's reaction cements the truth of his death that Mitsuru could not even let himself imagine in those first few moments. There's a moment where we can see the flicker of horrific recognition on Mitsuru's face. But then Koichi starts moving again, and Mitsuru is once again in an impossible reality where Koichi can survive as the living dead, a miracle. Eternal Yesterday effectively resets the timeline to the moments before the death becomes real for Mitsuru.
The rest of the story takes place within that moment, but elongates the stage of denial. It takes place outside of time. Koichi's body has disregarded time, the doctor tells them. It is staving off all actual evidence of decay, but it doesn't erase the damage that has already been done and the bruises and cuts remain as a terrible reminder. This really effective element of body horror forces the audience and the characters to sit in a very specific moment in time; this is not a ghost who has cast earthly wounds aside, nor a zombie who continues to decay. Koichi and Mitsuru are trapped in the moment of death, the eternal yesterday. Mitsuru isn't ready to let go yet, and neither is Koichi.
The drawn out nature of this undeath contrasts with how suddenly Koichi dies. Instantaneous (I think again of Koyczan's poem). There is no way for the characters to anticipate this death. Compare this to Mitsuru's mother, who was chronically ill, dying in a hospital away from her son in an attempt to insulate him from grief. But despite her prolonged illness and her distance from Mitsuru, it doesn't seem like Mitsuru was really able to process his loss, just creating a wall around it to protect himself. With Koichi's undeath, they get that extra time together, and maybe that helps in some ways. As @waitmyturtles writes, they get to spend those final moments together, knowingly, intentionally, in a way that Mitsuru only got with his mom after her death when he saw her ghost. The magic gives them back these moments.
At the beginning, it seems as if time has stopped for everyone around them as well, but slowly people start to not be able to see Koichi. They begin to move on, and forget. Koichi seems to have reconciled with this fact: "If you die, you're slowly forgotten. It's normal. The living are busy thinking of other living people." Mitsuru is angry at the thought that anyone could forget about Koichi, and that the signs of their forgetfulness are proof that Koichi is getting closer and closer to disappearing.
This is such a beautiful metaphor for how it feels to grieve someone when the rest of the world keeps spinning. Time has stopped for Mitsuru, but not for all his classmates, even though they cared for Koichi too. It's a cruel truth. Time starts to speed up again as Koichi begins to disappear in front of others, but Mitsuru is still clinging to him.
Mitsuru holds onto Koichi with both fists. There's anger behind his denial of Koichi's death. He repeatedly tries to remind Koichi that he's still alive, gets angry when he's referred to as dead, and when people can't see Koichi any more.
But it is Mitsuru's love that sustains Koichi for this long, and his unwillingness to let go of his memory. It seems like love itself is what keeps Koichi here. Even when he disappears for most people, Mitsuru and Koichi's family still see him. Even after Koichi truly dies, when he stops being a living corpse, we see that his memory does live on in Mitsuru, and in the lives of the other people who loved him. The teacher who sent Mitsuru a photograph that shouldn't exist. Koichi's friends and family continuing to honor and remember him, and staying in contact with Mitsuru.
@gillianthecat writes beautifully about Japanese dramas and the use of place and space. There's a quietness and a stillness often. Eternal Yesterday echoes this, and in some ways turns time into a place, anchoring the drama to a liminal threshold, the pause that allows Mitsuru and Koichi to process what has happened.
Koichi and Mitsuru's story takes place outside of time. The editing and structure of the show also interrupts the linearity of time. Multiple times we are shown the end of a scene, and then shown its beginning scenes or even episodes later. The show revisits scenes, recontextualizes them, like when they get back from the hospital and Koichi admits he's scared that he's a corpse; the teachers in the stairwell we later learn were found in the aftermath of their breakup. Koichi is hit by the truck in the very opening of the show, but we don't see all of it until the end of the episode and the beginning of the next. Through this editing, the show destabilizes time, and calls into question our perception of events.
It also does this with the opening and closing credits. Each episode grounds the audience at the start in a joyful past that the characters can never return to, and at the end in an impossible future that they will never see ("If we were adults, would we be making a toast and drinking beer?"). The show oscillates between these two endpoints, and they put the viewer off balance for what to expect. But at the close of the show, we see the camping scene recontextualized. Mitsuru is alone, but he still has pieces of Koichi with him. The false insinuation of a happy ending is replaced with bittersweet reality.
How long does it take to grieve someone? Does it ever stop? Their teacher is still mourning his boyfriend's death 20 years later. Mitsuru is shown grieving 5 years after Koichi's death. He tells us his sadness never went away. The experience of grief is different with that distance, but it doesn't disappear. The show invites us to sit in a specific moment of that grief, but it shows us also how it continues afterwards.
Koichi's death is drawn out, the stage of denial extended, but eventually time catches up with both of them. Koichi knows it ("My time is almost up"). Mitsuru begins to understand it ("Isn't it just a matter of time?"). The day Mitsuru's home sick, "the time felt too long." The dissonance between this piece of time that they have carved out for themselves and the reality of time's continual passage becomes impossible to ignore.
Koichi lingering as a living corpse gives both him and Mitsuru a bit more time together. Even if it's just a few days, there's beauty in that. Because of that time, Koichi gets to hold his newborn sister. He gets to be a part of that moment with his family. Koichi and Mitsuru get to love each other for just a little longer. They get to say goodbye.
This is a sad show. But it's okay to be sad sometimes. It's okay to explore this sadness is art, in queer art. It can be healing to sit in these emotions for a little while, like Mitsuru and Koichi do in the show. To take the time to process it and connect with these stories.
Thank you to @bengiyo's post and the podcast for putting a new favorite show on my radar, and @lurkingshan and @waitmyturtles for sharing their thoughts and love for the show.
#eternal yesterday#eien no kinou#eternal yesterday meta#japanese bl#thinking thoughts#i have so many thoughts about this show I haven't even touched on materiality here yet#this show is phenomenal I'll be thinking about it for a long time#what is it with grief portrayed through supernatural and poetry for me?#the surreal nature of loss and grief maybe#thank you to anyone who reads all of this#it's a heavy topic but I needed to get my thoughts out
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Hawkfrost moved closer and dropped his voice. "Starclan let it happen."
His breath was hot on her cheek, "If Starclan is real, they must think it's okay. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they don't exist."
Mothwing’s Secret is so fucking sad….
#best warriors book ive read genuinely#her relationship with him is so sad and God a hundred times more interesting than what bramble had w him#because after tadpole and then sasha leaving all they had was eachother…. and he just keeps hurtinf her#hurting**#urghhh…. it was a pretty heavy topic for warriors to handle an abusive sibling relationship and do it this well#especially since religious truama and manipulation was included here#anyways! <-normal#warrior cats#art#mothwing#hawkfrost#mothwing’s secret#mothwings secret#religion tw#?? the text maybe#favs
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i cant explain it but daigo being subtitled to just be like 'you're making me look like i have no balls' feels so illegal and wrong. hilarious but something's off
#snap chats#WAIT I HAVE TO INTERRUPT THIS POST WITH THE FUNNIEST SHIT#SO I WAS GETTING FOOD FROM MY SCHOOL'S DINING HALL AND YOU CAN WRITE DOWN WHAT YOU WANT ON A SHEET YEAH#AND I SAID I WANTED A SAMMY AND FRIES OK BUT WHEN I GET MY PLATE ITS JUST FRIES#AND YK W/E OK I'LL JUST EAT THAT BUT THEN. WHILE IM LIKE. GETTING PIZZA TO SUB IT YEAH#I HEAR THE COOKS BE LIKE 'yoo why do we just have a sandwich here' AND THE BIN IT#AND I WAS LIKE 'was that a chicken sandwich cause uhhh <:)' AND THE WOMAN WAS JUST ':OOO IM SO SORRY'#LIKE DAWG /IM/ SRRY I FEEL BADLKAJLJ but yeah. they were nice enough to make me another one 😭#ok. back on topic with this fuckin post SORRY. i just have all these potatoes and a pizza to eat with this sadnwich now#i didnt eat breakfast or lunch so its ok. moving on#watch me explain it lol. i think its just cause its hard fr me to imagine daigo even saying balls like that. in jp or english#like he just doesnt have the Oomph to do it like the kansai bitches#see this how i know jo from kansai.... that easy as balls to imagine...#LIKEIM TELLING YOU THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN SAY BALLS AND MEAN IT ARE KANSAI/EAST COAST BITCHES#in regards to eng its the accent... you just put a heavy mphasis on the b yk... any east coast bitches know what im talkin bout#or am i insane.it could be both idk#its cause in context he looks so meek like no !!!!! you dont be shy about balls talk !!!!!!!#I JUST IMAGINE HIM SAYING IT SO POLITE LIKE NO !!!! YOU HAVE TO SAY IT WITH FEELING. WITH YOUR BALLS#anyway daigo bb ily and i care for you but youre not hard enough to say balls#which is the most insaane thing i could say considering Daigo And His History but yk... im right...
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It's actually so fucked to no longer have access to a rack and barbells
#i miss moving heavy weight its genuinely so fucking depressing being stuck at 100lbs max with dumbbells!!! I want to squat again!!!!#moving back to CA has been insanely depressing theres no fucking nature where im at and when i go on daily walks its just fucking conk crete#it also doesnt help that i literally have maybe 1/10th the friends here#which is funny bc i was only in WA for like. 3 years?#and ive been in CA my whole life besides then#i just do not vibe with californians#anyways this isnt even on topic anymore#but if you are a CA friend youre in a very exclusive group of 4 people
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I’m still reeling from the impact Helene left around here. I didn’t want to think the rumors and stuff were true, but hearing it from people I know and trust irl and seeing footage of stuff around areas I’m familiar with has left me devastated and extremely upset about everything.
It hit me hard once the rain stopped and I went into town. It hit me even harder once my internet and cell service stabilized and I saw all the news.
I’m really struggling to process stuff right now. I probably will be for a long time until some normalcy gets restored around here. I count myself blessed Helene didn’t hurt me or my loved ones, but it hurt my community and is continuing to do so and that’s just not okay at all.
I’m burnt out about the news but can’t escape it cause it’s here in my neighborhood happening and being discussed and updated daily. I hope people stop wishing ill on folks. It’s awful and it sickens me the responses I’ve seen from the media and the web from some people.
Just stop.
We’re hurting and it doesn’t matter how prepared you think we were, it was unavoidable. Where do you suggest people should’ve gone when even the highest mountain couldn’t avoid the flooding? I’m lucky to have a decent internet signal on the best days where I live. Imagine everyone else around me who doesn’t have any connection to the world except though maybe radio or a landline?
It’s not like we’re stupid. Just stop assuming things. What we need is help, aid, and general support and awareness.
I don’t mean to monologue here. I’m still grieving over the devastation and that takes time.
I’m just so sick of seeing people acting like they know better about the disaster. It’s way way more intricate than you think.
#hurricane helene#appalachia#life update#I’m not doing so hot atm#I’ll be better once some normalcy occurs#it’s kind of stifled my already limited motivation atm#imma eventually get back into a groove here#but for now I’m just trying to keep moving forward#won’t get political on here#but damn did this disaster start some shit#y’all are welcome to message me here or whatevs#I don’t bite#just dealing with some heavy stuff rn#also just yeah…#not trying to start fights#not up to debate either#like I know the topics#I’m here living it#so not gonna argue#but feel free to just reach out to people?#yeah#imma shut up now#it late#shut up sky
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so im watching that one AG episode with that Whiscash right???
and like Ash fails at it and the old guy who is like the fishing god for some reason says like: no one can be a pro in a day or smth like that
MAX PULLED UP AND DID GOOD AND THAT OLD MAN WAS LIKE: IT TOOK ME YEARS, WHY DID IT ONLY TAKE THIS KID A DAY???
new headcanon: max is secretly good at everything he just doesn't know it yet because he's a kid but also because bro is a damn know-it-all who only thinks he's good with pokemon stuff
#pokemon max#pokemon#max pokemon#fellas he is super talented trust#like if anyone else has better examples than the fishing one then my point has been proven#exotic rambles#exotic rambling about ag is a normal thing#i mean he did also carry a munchlax which is canonically heavy but what other feats he got#oh wait he like jumped a dude in movie 9#like idk about yall but there's some hidden talent there#he just doesn't show it cause the writers are cowards and he's also a little kid so there's that#the han jisung genes omg#and yall say that he's not that good bro could win a fist fight or smth#idk how we got off topic in the tags#but lmk if there are any other scenes where max just pulls up with TALENT#ash saying it was luck to the guy is honestly funny because TRUST AND BELIEVE it was not#Norman you have some explaining to do here
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y'know sometimes I go to make a post on this here webbed site, and I almost always end up deletin it cause I measure it through the "how widely applicable is this" + "how horribly can people twist this" metrics and it just stops my little fingies from typin
(this turned into me typing an essay in the tags cause I very much did need to process some shit lmao)
#I have thoughts I wanna get out there#but also I have had people threaten me and harrass me for far less than my thoughts of#'hey maybe my community isn't fuckin normal about trans women' and#'you can be fucked in the gender and also not use transmisogynistic stereotypes and terminologies to do that'#while also pointing out that transmasculine experiences are frequently ignored erased minimized and criticized habitually#(I have eliminated my worries via tag talk lmao so i will keep on processin down here)#Like idk its such a difficult intersection of shit because obviously a lot of transmasculine folks have experienced primarily if not only#other transmasc spaces online and have some deep set transmisogyny going on and then also the other way around of a lot of transfeminine#folk have primarily if not only interacted within transfem spaces and have deep set transmisogyny goin on#(which I'm not gonna argue on transmisogyny being a transfem only word or about transandrophobia or anti-transmasculinity my verbige is#constantly changing around this topic because of the shit that gets hurled at transmascs that use any of the transmasc specific words or th#OG word that applies to the misogyny experienced and intertwined with transness just: language is hard and imperfect so I'm using what I'm#using right now)#and anyway so those two groups of folk clash on their own and have a lot of strained and difficult communication and then there's a third#group that intentionally causes further rifts by trolling and sending hate anons and making accounts pretending to be transfem or transmasc#and shitting on ''the other side'' (heavy HEAVY quotations on that one)#and that all combines into an absolute clusterfuck of lack of understanding or sympathy from either 'side' of things for the other#there is just a lack of fundamental knowledge about our brothers sisters and others shared between us all and it is INFURIATING
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