#slavery in the bible

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

“Why is it when I ask a Christian why they oppose same-sex marriage they say ‘because it says so in the bible’, but when I ask that same person why God allows people to own other human beings as slaves I get a twenty minute lecture about the social economics of the day, cultural and societal changes over time, and a breakdown on the nature of the history of language and how the certain meanings of words don't necessarily translate?”

Xians pick and choose their morals because they know their bible is complete and utter bullshit too.

[atheostic]

They're both so done.

That's the faces of two men who have heard one too many slavery apologists defending God-sanctioned biblical slavery and they're dying a little inside.

[atheostic]

@skystonedclouds

"God does not endorse slavery…."

That's funny. 'Cause in Leviticus 25:44 he explicitly says his followers can own slaves:

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."

And he says that slaves can be given to your children as their inheritance:

"You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life..." (Leviticus 25:46)

And that fathers can sell their daughters into sex slavery:

“A young woman who was sold by her father doesn’t gain her freedom in the same way that a man does. If she doesn’t please the man who bought her to be his wife, he must let her be bought back. He cannot sell her to foreigners; this would break the contract he made with her. If he selects her as a wife for his son, he must treat her as his own daughter.” (Exodus 21:7-9)

"God doesn’t endorse human sacrifice…"

My dude. My buddy. My pal.

Also what about that time Abraham was told to sacrifice his son?

Or when God killed all the firstborn in Egypt?

Or when Jephthah made a vow to sacrifice whatever would come out of the door of his house and God accepted the vow, knowing full well that the first thing would be a human, who was then sacrificed?

"The point is if the woman had people nearby and she never cried for help or had any resistance it was considered consent."

You... you realize you're victim-blaming rape victims, right? Not screaming for help does NOT equal consent. That's not how consent works.

And if she DID consent without coersion she doesn't deserve to be stoned to death.

"By the way if the father refused to let them to marry they would not marry and he’d just pay a fine."

a) Yes, the rapist would pay a fine to the injured party -- which according to the Bible was the father, not the rape survivor. "You break it, you buy it" kind of thing. Because women are legally possessions with no self-autonomy according to the Bible.

b) Yes, if the FATHER decided she shouldn't marry him, not if the VICTIM decided she wouldn't marry her rapist.

c) And you think just paying a FINE is the correct punishment for RAPE???

d

"The father had to represent the woman in those days so he would represent her will on her behalf to the rapist."

Yes, the father was the one the rapist dealt with -- because women weren't legally considered people. Funny how you skip over that.

And you're entirely assuming that he'd represent her will. Because guess what?

We have recent examples of women being forced to marry their rapist because of THIS rule in the Bible.

It was common practice to shame women into marrying their rapists in Italy until the 1960s. Read up on Franca Viola.

Does God have free will?

If not, why not; but if He does, can He choose evil?

[blackwolfmanx4]

Real Talk:

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

[a-typical]

The slaves had drummed into them, from plantation and pulpit alike, from courthouse and statehouse, the notion that they were hereditary inferiors, that God intended them for their misery. The Holy Bible, as countless passages confirmed, condoned slavery. In these ways the 'peculiar institution' maintained itself despite its monstrous nature - something even its practitioners must have glimpsed.

There was a most revealing rule: slaves were to remain illiterate. In the antebellum South, whites who taught a slave to read were severely punished. "[To] make a contented slave," Bailey later wrote, "it is necessary to make a thoughtless one. It is necessary to darken his moral and mental vision, and, as far as possible, to annihilate the power of reason." This is why the slaveholders must control what slaves hear and see and think. This is why reading and critical thinking are dangerous, indeed subversive, in an unjust society.

Bailey was sent to work for Capt Hugh Auld and his wife, Sophia, moving from plantation to urban bustle, from field work to housework. In this new environment, he came every day upon letters, books and people who could read. He discovered what he called 'this mystery' of reading: there was a connection between the letters on the page and the movement of the reader's lips, a nearly one-to-one correlation between the black squiggles and the sounds uttered.

Surreptitiously, he studied from young Tommy Auld's Webster's Spelling Book. He memorized the letters of the alphabet. He tried to understand the sounds they stood for. Eventually, he asked Sophia Auld to help him learn. Impressed with the intelligence and dedication of the boy, and perhaps ignorant of the prohibitions, she complied.

By the time Frederick was spelling words of three and four letters, Captain Auld discovered what was going on. Furious, he ordered Sophia to stop.

But Auld had revealed to Bailey the great secret: 'I now understood ... the white man's power to enslave the black man. From that moment, I understood the pathway from slavery to freedom.'

Without further help from the now reticent and intimidated Sophia Auld, Frederick found ways to continue learning how to read... Then he began teaching his fellow slaves: 'Their minds had been starved . . . They had been shut up in mental darkness. I taught them, because it was the delight of my soul.'

With his knowledge of reading playing a key role in his escape, Bailey fled to New England, where slavery was illegal and black people were free. He changed his name to Frederick Douglass (after a character in Walter Scott's The Lady of the Lake), eluded the bounty hunters who tracked down escaped slaves, and became one of the greatest orators, writers and political leaders in American history. All his life, he understood that literacy had been the way out.

— The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark - Carl Sagan (1996)

[aspirant1598]

[papirouge]

I was today years old when I learned that 'O Holy Night' 3rd verse had been censored by White demons pro slavery Christian south pastors because its writer (John Dwight) was an abolitionist clerical and purposely slid into the lyrics "the slave is a brother".

Still to this day, churches either remove the 3rd verse or even change the lyrics (in modern versions - hi Carrie Underwood!) to not refer to the slavery mention.

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[mybeautifulchristianjourney]

The Gift of God is Eternal Life in Jesus Christ

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. — Romans 6:16-23 | Cambridge Paragraph Bible (CAMB) The Cambridge Paragraph Bible of the Authorized English Version, by Scrivener, Frederick Henry Ambrose, 1813-1891. Published by Cambridge University Press. Cross References: Genesis 2:17; Genesis 4:7; Job 33:27; Proverbs 11:19; Proverbs 14:12; Matthew 4:23; Matthew 6:24; Luke 4:18; Luke 20:16; John 8:32; John 8:34; Romans 1:8; Romans 3:5; Romans 6:1-2; Romans 7:4; 1 Corinthians 14:6

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What does it mean that the wages of sin is death?

[gxlden-angels]

LMAO I love these two's growth they nailed the Bible Belt Simulator™️

[bitchy-peachy]

I'm about to get yeeted from tiktok again LMFAO

[captainjonnitkessler]

People will dismiss the importance of interpreting the Constitution because “maybe we shouldn’t care what a bunch of racist sexist slaveowners would have thought 200 years ago”

But bring up one passage from a holy book that hasn’t aged well and people will trip all over themselves to say “well, actually, in this translation, and if you use this interpretation, and if you listen to this crackpot theory that no theologian takes seriously but that I’m going to present as established and widely accepted, then -” instead of just following through on “maybe we shouldn’t care what a bunch of racist sexist slaveowners would have thought 2000 years ago”

[atheostic]

It's truly chilling how many Christians call into atheist shows to defend slavery as being moral.

Atheist Experience alone has a playlist of a small sample of their slavery-related calls and it's 55 callers long.

That's 55 modern people who think slavery is okay because the Bible said so.

The fact that there are so many people who still think slavery is okay is horrifying.

Note: Those 55 calls are NOT all the slavery calls they've received over the past 20+ years of the show. In fact, they've received so many that some hosts refuse to answer calls on the topic anymore because they're so tired of having to listen to people defend slavery.

[lentendays]

Something something Jacob and Esau parallels.

In biblical times Jacob, Abraham's grandson, became known as "Israel" through Years Of Redemption but was for the first part of his life kind of a tool. He was born clinging to his twin brother Esau's heel, much like baby AFO is grabbing onto Yoichi here. (Not sure who's older since AFO is called "older brother" but Yoichi literally means "First son". If we take the First Son interpretation, the parallels with Esau continue.) For that reason he was named Jacob, which means "Heel" or "may God protect" OR "ASSAILANT".

Like AFO sucking the life out of Yoichi and his mother, Jacob grew up jealous of Esau and wanted to take all that he had - and he did. Through tricking Esau, he got Esau's birthright. And by tricking his aging, blind dad, he got his dad's blessing for the firstborn, which his dad was not able to regive to Esau when he asked. Both the most important things a firstborn child could have in those times.

Idk where this is going but it's a cool parallel.

[ausetkmt]

More INCORRECT White Interpretations of Black Culture

they again admit that they are not initiatied and in their opinion there is no requirement to be a part of an ancestral Religion, yet this is all about Ancestors Working For You - so NO,

Stop This and Learn about your Ancestors if you were not born with African ancestors, because your ancestors will be waiting for you wherever you may choose to worship them. Just Leave ATR Out of it.

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

"What a deliciously evil God! Mass murders, the endorsing of slavery. I"d say, you wn't find that in moral books like Humpy Dumpty, or Three Little Pigs."

[durn3h]

One of the most interesting things about religion to me is that so many people don’t even see the mental gymnastics they are doing to try and shape the biblical texts into a framework that is acceptable in the modern day and it comes out looking like something that none of the authors would have approved of.