#shipping rant

[allaboutalf]

At this point Buck & Tommy shippers/multi shippers just need to not engage with the toxic buddie shippers at all. That’s what I’m going to do.

They’ve reached a level where there’s no reasoning with them and the negativity is off the charts. Anything you do now will just egg them on. Don’t quote them, don’t screenshot the weird things they say, don’t argue their theories, don’t post the anon hate, don’t try to argue sense to them. Just let them be and close the door to them so they can’t impact enjoyment of the show. Leave them to their echo chamber. Block them and don’t engage.

Instead be loud and proud about what you enjoy about the show in your own spaces and around the general public, on official accounts, and when relaying your appreciation to the cast/producers/crew/writers. Create the art and write the stories and talk to people who enjoy what you do too and let’s get back to the relatively positive space we were in just after 7.04.

The only thing I think you should still do when it comes to any toxic people is call out when they attack real people like fans, fan artists and actors and writers. When they do things to bully and harass. I think it’s good to not let that slide. I’ll still call that out.

But anything else, it’s just not worth putting yourself in that space. Let them act like toxic children over a TV show and just feed their misery to each other.

And the few extreme people on the Buck & Tommy side, I hope you can take this onboard too. Cause at first I did get it. I still do get the want to defend yourself and to push back when you’re being bullied just cause you enjoy something. But the few who are basically the Buck & Tommy version of toxic buddies now are making it harder for us all. The negativity hypes up the negativity of others, especially when you’re seeking them out to argue with no cause. The whole thing is starting to annoy those in the fandom who are neutral and those who agree with you but feel like it’s going too far now and leaving a bad taste in the mouth.

I think it’s doing the ship a disservice to be exactly the same as toxic buddie shippers cause all it does is turn people off the ship like the toxic buddies are doing to the buddie ship. And personally I just want to enjoy the ship for however long it lasts and look back with positivity whenever things are done (be it soon or way down the line).

Look obviously you do you, I’m just saying my piece and you can ignore it but I really recommend just leaving them be beyond calling out the truly terrible, toxic stuff. For your own mental health and for everyone’s enjoyment of the show.

[i-am-creacheur]

okay listen. I get the urge to talk about my favorite life series ship like it's Canon in every season...BUT. THAT HAS NEVER ONCE BEEN THE CASE.

Yes, Jimmy would be upset if Tango canaried (technical scientific term for that). Everyone would be- even I would be, and I've never watched a single one of his videos. Canarying sucks, and it hurts. Of course I would be upset. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I THINK JIMMY WOULD BREAK DOWN SOBBING FROM A CHARACTER STAND POINT. They have had only like... THREE on screen interactions. One is Tango murdering a man infront of Jimmy and another is Tango cheerfully burning down something one of Jimmy's teammates worked very hard on. WildLifeChara!Jimmy has more reason to hate or be afraid of WildLifeChara!Tango than to be madly in love with him.

I promise you, if Tango had offered Jimmy a life instead of Ren, people wouldn't shut up about for MONTHS. But, because it's Ren, somehow the interaction isn't NEARLY as homoerotic??? I understand having NOTP's, but the Jimmy/Ren ship doesn't even show up ONCE on ao3. Zero fics. ZE-RO. There's no reason to hate something that doesn't even exist.

This same concept applies for Flower Husbands as well- not just in Wild Life, and Secret Life and Limited Life and Last Life and Real Life though- in Empires.

I have no clue about Empires Season 1, but they barely interacted in Empires Season 2- and yet the amount of ship art I sift through on a weekly basis for my side blog is actually insane. Yeah, the few interactions WERE important, but I think Scott only flirted (in video) with Jimmy maaybbeeee three times. I have no idea what the count of that for streaming is, but I swear it is not enough to keep that number so inflated.

Although, honestly, this problem might just be affecting me because of my personal view on shipping- if it's in a context where it doesn't make sense for the characters to be romantically engaged, I won't read it or write it.

For example, my beloved Solidwood! I mostly get their vibes or read their fics from the following series: Evo, Last Life, New Life, Empires2, Secret Life. That's because those settings make sense! They are active, they are engaged, they have near constant interactions or very close base locations. It makes SENSE for them to be shipped. However, if you showed me art or fic of them in, say, Limited Life, I'd furrow my brow and tilt my head and say "no, that doesn't do anything for me." BECAUSE THEY HAVE ZERO REASON TO BE INVESTED ROMANTICALLY IN ONE ANOTHER THERE, AS A STAND ALONE SETTING.

Most of the major Jimmy ships, though, don't follow this rule. I can understand loving a ship so much you want to see it everywhere- but, I promise you, stepping back and looking at which characters actually have chemistry regarding the new setting and social system will do wonders... you won't have to think of new Au's to insert your favorite ship into a new setting... all ships will be your favorite ship (unless they give you the ick). Join the multishiper hivemind /j

No but honestly it's gotten to the point where I will like or dislike a creator/character of theirs by what ship is their most popular given the context of the setting. Like, Tango in Double Life? Awww the sweetie!! I love him :) and then Tango in Empires2 sets off alarm bells in my brain screaming at me. He is NOT meant to be here bringing that ship here, this is NOT its territory. Same problem for Scott in nearly damn near every SMP both Jimmy and him are in... except Wild Life because he's actually been pretty nice and not condescending or forcing on Jimmy. I guess also power imbalances in how fans view them is a major no-go for me...

Idk if you read this whole thing thanks I guess... for anymore needed context I am a Jimmy rarepair obsessed multishiper.

TLDR; Lots of popular ships are inserted into settings without a thought for what that would mean for the setting and any changes in the established social connections, which gives OP the ick. I'm also not policing ships I'm just begging people to please either understand more ships using in setting context or list their AU details in the summaries of the fics. This goes hand in hand with misinterpreting characters in writing also... the more ships you like the more characters you will get to get good at writing!!!!

[pepperuni]

Just started the 5th ep of tua s4 and idk if this is controversial for some but I just came to here to say i do NOT support five x lila!!!! can writers please stop going "well, if 2 people spend an extended amount of time with just each other, OF COURSE they'll fall in love"!!!! lila is still married and also an adult!!! five is aroace and in a minor's body (or close to, idk his exact age atp)!!!

(Please don't take this too seriously i beg)

[slightlystrangepsyche]

DanLou my beloved

My biggest takeaway from IWTV is that Daniel is down so bad for Louis, and the fact that Jacob/Louis sees Daniel as a younger brother is hysterical to me, and I'm so excited to see it play out in the future.

Poor (?) Armand, because is he ever going to fall for someone who isn't obsessed with their ex? Will there be a "Louis, Louis, Louis, Louis, Louis, Louis" scene in Darmand's future?

[the-bisexual-bitch]

*staring blankly at the ceiling* Why are people so afraid of the idea that someone will relate something to a taboo ship? Why have we decided, as a culture, that proshippers are Bad™️? Why does anyone give two shits???

Like. I have mostly "normal" ships, but why why does anyone care who anyone else ships? I get it if it's a "This character is aro and/or ace and this is not ship content" thing, but... fucking... fandom spaces were built by proshippers. Put some respect on the name and quit being an ass.

[kuromipuzzles2000]

i'm gonna be honest, i see very unfair now people kinda accepts Puzzl3 or the ship between SMG3 and Mr. Puzzles now more normally, of course, because is your favorite artist who do this, it is normal when your favorite artist make a drawing related to the ship but you better not be Crystal because if you are Crystal and you make a Puzzl3 drawing ON A GODDAMN AU you will get attacked and insulted because "erm ☝🏻🤓 actually you fucking did a victim x torturer ship image, so we will rant about it and see if you cancel your au hehe 🤓🤓"

I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF MY GODDAMN LIFE, I HATE MY LIFE AND THE WAY I ALWAYS LIVE IN NEGATIVITY, I WAS ABOUT TO CANCEL MY SWAP AU 2 TIMES BECAUSE OF THOSE PEOPLE AND NOW YOU'RE NORMAL ABOUT THE GODDAMN SHIP JUST BECAUSE YOUR FAVORITE ARTISTS DO IT!?

GO TO FUCKING HELL, I AM TIRED OF ALL YOU

[viaviv124]

Why is Conan x Kaito even a thing

As someone who has once again found herself inside the hole called KaiShin i've been obsessed with those two since yesterday again. And oh my god i love them so much.

What i don't love, however, is Conan x Kaito and i refuse to even look up their proper ship name. Yes this is another 2am rant.

So lets get this down. People ship a grade schooler, who is somewhere between 6 and 8 years old, with a 17 year old. What? Are you okay? Not only is this creepy and weird but also very illegal. "But it's the same as KaiShin" Then ship KaiShin instead?? No need to drag a child into it? See, i get that Conan is mentally 17. He literally says it at the beginning of every single episode and movie. But that is still the body of a CHILD. You are defiling CHILDREN. And dont act innocent, i know porn of this exists because of course it does. I've been scrolling past a few things that makes me want to bleach my eyes when looking for KaiShin things.

Please for the love of god don't turn Kaito into a pedophile. And don't defend this ship. This has nothing to do with "Don't like don't read" kinda stuff.

See, i don't mind Kaito and Shinichi falling for eachother while Shinichi is still Conan. Kaito has a personality to fall for and he knows Shinichi's appearance well, having disguised himself as him countless times. But PLEASE don't make them act and start a relationship until Shinichi is back in his adult body. I don't mind them being close friends until then and talk about stuff openly but everything from declarations of love to kissing to sex should stay within their adult bodies please. It's not that complicated. If you for the hell of it can't see Shinichi getting his adult body back then please let Conan and Kaito stay in either a close friendship or as a brotherly love kind of thing without making it romantic.

This is the SebaCiel issue all over again where you take a child and make them date a man WAY older and it's creepy and disturbing. Staying with the SebaCiel example, Ciel is a 13/14 year old child, meanwhile Sebastian is a demon god-knows how many thousands of years old who took on an appearance similar to Ciel's father in order to gain his trust quicker and manipulate him more easily. And this is the most popular ship in the entire Black Butler community. See, i don't mind them being close, considering how Sebastian is Ciel's only security, but they don't need to bang and kiss. Come ON.

Conclusion/TL:DR:

Please stop shipping children with adults. This is creepy, very illegal and just plain disturbing. If you like KaiShin, please stick with the version where both are the same age. Why ship pedophilia when you have literally the same ship right there just in legal?

Edit bc i just thought of it:

Wouldnt Conan just immediately arrest Kaito if he touched him? I doubt a detective, someone very closely working with the POLICE and the LAW would condone pedophilia. 💀💀 Except you go so far as to make Kaito not only a pedophile but also a groomer-

[sinistermimic]

Oh, the frustrations of rarepairs

So, I've been rereading Schlock Mercenary. Remembered a ship I picked up on back in the late 2000s, thought I'd see if anyone else ever picked up on the same subtext.

Nope. I find nothing.

I get that not everyone ships, and I get that not everyone will have the same taste in ships, but then I see this subtext that no one else sees and I can't help but go:

No one else is seeing this?

Really?

Really?!

Really?!!

REALLY??!!!

Also, no, this is not a shitpost, I unironically ship this ship. I ship Sam/Max, this is not the weirdest pairing I am willing to admit to.

[1590icarus]

Weird nanbaka ship warning

"I ship Jyugo and Hajime"

Jyugo is 16 (sixteen) Hajime is 29 (twenty nine)

Hajime literally almost murdered Jyugo. While Jyugo was in a situation where he couldn't control himself, and couldn't tell if he was safe or not, no idea who the people around him were. Restraining him safely would have worked. Knocking him out, even.

Hajime IS brutality. He's a prison guard. Jyugo is incarcerated. They have not been shown to have romantic or sexual interest in each other. Also, I would like to add as I'm editing that Hajime is also in a position of power over Jyugo. Not good.

Am I talking to a wall? Yeah. But if you're like going and genuinely shipping them romantically or sexually, then did you know that ANYBODY can benefit from therapy? You, me, the neighbor, I mean anybody and everybody can benefit from therapy. Give it a go.

If it was familial shipping, I can understand. My favorite nanbaka fic is an adoption au. It's very sweet. But maybe ship ain't the right word. Sure the definition applies, but the connotations give the readers the wrong idea.

I know people ship anything. They do what they want, especially on the internet.

[eponadolls]

tl;dr rant

I sent out a doll package on the 11th and it's still en transit and hasn't updated for four days now... I hope the package updates soon and gets to its buyer safely. :( USPS has a "severe weather" warning so I hope that's the reason why it's delayed, but it was suppose to have arrived to my buyer on Wednesday the 15th. I've noticed a lot of slow downs and I am greatly considering if it would be better to ship my Harucasting Big Geuru via Fedex or UPS when she sells.

[pageofheartdj]

I wanted to elaborate on that one post but decided it is too big so Imma post it separately xD

Remember the abysmal reaction to Hunting Palismen and because Hunter licked Luz's hand he is officially her brother and therefore is incest. And if you don't see them as siblings then it's still incest you are just fucked for not seeing OBVIOUS sibling vibes.

Well now almost the exact opposite is happening with King and Collector. Minus the harassment, guess they aren't as popular as lumity. thankfully

Before Collector and King got more screentime I've seen mostly displeasure towards the ship and how they are too young.(even though kids can have kid crushes but what do I want from fandom moralisers)

And after getting all the interactions and showing Collector bonding with Owl fam... suddenly people can't see them as siblings. And they are shipping them. You can throw your hands how it's qpr/soulmate/its own thing all you want, in it's core it's shipping. Putting two characters(or more) together in not familial and not platonic relationship, because what they have is separate and special. and its a you problem if you think that shipping is all about sex and not actually exploring qpr and everything else.

Ah the moralisation that works only on ships you don't like.

In this case fandom. Fandom decided with no actual proof that Hunter and Luz are siblings and started aggressively pushing on it(because if you don't shout in people's face how they are siblings, others won't know, which is pretty telling on the legitness).

But when two characters received way more possible 'family' material but the fandom is more interested in shipping them, then suddenly 'every interpretation matters'.

[smolbimbo]

Trying to make my post aesthetic

ship rant warning lolol

What's a ship that started out as a joke and now you're kinda serious about it?

you guys already know the answer to mine, its Strawberry Speed (strawberry shortcake x Sonic) lolol

Ngl I could low-key go into a bit of detail of why I like it so much, and it mainly has to do with the premise of the Lemon cake fanfiction I made about them. And that's strawberry helps sonic (in my mind) not just try different things but see them from a different perspective.

Sonic in my world doesn't like sweet things, which is why he hates strawberry shortcake (the cake) because it's the sweetest cake to him, and strawberry when she hears this decides to make a cake that sonic would enjoy, a lemon cake, which isn't too sweet but sweet enough.

She helps him look at things differently, helps him see that it's not what you do but how you do it. I might have her help him overcome his fear of water next lol

[the-bisexual-bitch]

Okay, besties! I had an argument with my friend about this, so I'll post here cuz I like y'all.

I think proshippers are chill. I've had some problematic ships myself.

(We're ignoring that saying that you're a proshipper actually used to mean that I am pro shipping.)

Right now, I've got (mostly) "normal" ships, but it's kinda upsetting seeing people that hate... shipping? Expression? Literally what places like ao3 were made for?

And just because people like things that make me feel squicky doesn't mean they're not allowed to enjoy it. Just because something would be legitimately awful irl doesn't mean engaging in fanfiction/fanart that involves that thing makes you a bad person.

So.

I'm a proshipper, ig. Or a neutral. I support proshippers. I think that antis should grow the fuck up and block tags you don't like. If you don't like shit, don't look at it.

[crystalsword]

Another Rant About Fandom Shipping

Bisexual headcanons are fine, but I wish people would stop implying a character must be bisexual solely because they've slept with so many people! Again, I don't have an issue with headcanon concerning a non-established sexuality, or with writing a character as bisexual so you can enjoy a slash pairing that would otherwise be unlikely to happen. However, I keep seeing this narrative around the characters that are more "players" or are known to have more sexual partners. The implication always seems to be, "oh they're such a slut that obviously they've tried everything," which I think is a really harmful way to look at things! You're not automatically open to multiple genders just because you sleep around and, if you are into more than one gender, it doesn't mean you sleep with everyone.

I wish people's shipping justification was "this character has on screen relationships with this gender, but don't they have a beautiful and intimate relationship with their best friend? Or wouldn't they look hot and get along so well with this other character? I want to write about how they could be a thing." It seems insulting and playing into horrible stereotypes if it's more like, "they're so hot together, and I bet it's not even unrealistic because this character sleeps with everyone, so they'd obviously be into it."

[rosetyler42]

@exuberantocean In my experience, people seem to hate "love the 2nd time around" stories. People in the HT fandom TRASHED Ericka in part because of the whole "A Zing only happens" once deal or try to explain it when it really doesn't NEED explaining. Writing it off as amatonormativity (It CAN be, but isn't INHERENTLY.) Or being like "Well, they could have made him fall in love without it being a zing." They made out like Drac had forgotten Martha or made it like this big jealousy thing. They called her ugly and weird, "Martha was prettier," "Well, she still tried to kill monsters", "why would Drac zing with someone who tried to kill him" - all this on supposedly the "Enemies to Lovers" website. And then in Carl's case when Disney said they were going to have him date again, people went ballistic saying it meant Carl was cheating on/forgetting/Betraying Ellie, who'd more or less SAID to move on in the first place.

People either act like the new love interest "cheapens" the old one, or that the NEW love interest isn't as important, blame them for making the other person "Forget" their "TRUE" love or somehow cheapening the 2nd love as being only lust or just a product of loneliness or something, not REAL love. Or they feel the need to compare the two, often to the detriment of #2 while elevating #1. It's much the same as people react to divorce and 2nd marriage. Actual summary of my mother once: Somehow it's ok to remarry for love after death, but after divorce, it's suddenly lust rather than love.

Bonus: All this is coming from an AROACE shipper watching OTHER fans trash ships merely for being "Love the 2nd time around." Most likely due to amatonormativity or the tendency of some aspecs to think romance at all = amatonormative.

@hotelt-resurrection @black-ak9 Since we've had this discussion before.

@wingingfromthezing (Since you're ALSO a Drericka shipper.)

You know what I think its grossly under-rated in fandom? Second loves.

What it's like to love and lose and then love again. To suffer through either the death of a loved one or the death of a love you used to share. To know that loss, to know that hurt, and to still make yourself vulnerable to someone again. To love scared, to love wounded, to love anyway.