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Please know that it's not anti feminist to say that a woman (*cough* Helen and Persephone*cough*) who was kidnapped WAS kidnapped and didn't go by choice ❤️
#like yes.. agency ig#but don't romanticise it#and dont erase it#when historically they were kidnapped/abducted long before society came around and said they had a choice#Helen didnt run away eith Paris she was ABDUCTED#She wasnt a bitch or petty or jealous or whatever#she was happy with menelaus#she loved her daughter and her brothers and ugh#she hated paris#like read book 3 of the iliad and tell me thats love#and Persephone#she was happy with her mother!!!#the same mother everyone demonises for SAVING her daughter???#if the mother??? is calling it kidnap?? then it is most likely probably kidnap like????#and not just demeter?? hecate???#like maybe persephone grew to love Hades but not in the beginning when he ABDUCTED her from her safe space of flowers and from her mother an#and friends#and her sisters in some versions#i could write an essay#the amount of people i see saying helen just wanted to cause a war and she hated menelaus and NO#And when they try to demonise Demeter 🧍♀️➡️🚪
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#this took me tf OUT#people who hated mykayla skinner from the beginning RISE#god you just know she's fucking seething lmfao#simone biles#paris 2024#gymnastics
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"why don't you want him to know how much you love him?" "that's a little personal. he knows." "uh-huh."
#interview with the vampire#iwtv#armand#the vampire armand#loumand#louis de pointe du lac#daniel molloy#alice molloy#must preface that NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO USE THIS FOR LDPDL HATE PURPOSES#even though louis (well both of them lbr) clearly had communication and commitment issues#armand directed a play that would KILL louis all because he was self conscious that louis didn't love him enough#anyway this is just one interpretation of the 'alice rejected daniel's proposal' convo scene#cause i see soo many people ask 'why did armand say all that' (and have wondered so myself)#even though we cant rule out the possibility that devil's minion happened in the past and that this was armandaniel history tease#armand could be projecting his choice re: louis and the trial onto alice's choice here#similar to how daniel was projecting his feelings about paris onto claudia in this same episode#i just think this would make sense thematically w armand's arc this season#(ie revealing what a deeply insecure and selfish and fucked up lover he is under his guise as a 500 yo devoted and caring husband)#armand 🤝 lestat: i will love you and i will hurt you. if i cant have you then i will break you#[plays under your spell by desire] whats the difference between love and obsession and desire? do you think this feeling could last forever#c.txt#mine#'she didnt think she could trust you' sounds like a YOU problem buddy#and then armand realizes he was wrong too late and bro was SCRAMBLING#the start of something beautiful aka failmarriage!!! :D
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No stop it, they hate each other (affectionately) you honor
#like i dont think anyone understand my love for them#loooooooook at HER SMILE SHE WANTS TO HATE HIM BUT SHE CANT#he is so annoying#you can tell he just loves to get her riled up#please give me more i need more#i am feral for them#miraculous ladybug#ml paris special#ml paris spoilers#ml spoilers#miraculous#miraculous lb#claw noir#shadybug
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“But why now?—because Menelaus has beaten your handsome Paris, and hateful as I am, he longs to take me home?” Helen of Sparta still knowing her soulmate’s heart after a decade of war everybody
#helen being so proud of menelaus winning#and just. the implication of your paris#not hers. YOURS.#AND THE USAGE OF HOME. HELEN’S HOME#and the chilling silence in the aftermath of aphrodite’s threat#helen really yelled and insulted a god and paid the price for it but still held her head high. and i love her for that#also the use of hateful as i am… god she’s imagining the hate on menelaus’ face. all the emotions pouring into her#i can psychoanalyze this sentence in so many different ways#the dichotomy of hateful as i am / longs to take me home??? the anger vs gentleness of it all???#very normal about it. normal about helen of sparta and her pains#helen of sparta#menelaus#helen x menelaus#the iliad#epic cycle#the iliad book 3#greek mythology
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Officially subscribing to the idea that Movie!Gabriel is writing letters to Movie!Nathalie from rich-people-prison
“Dear Nathalie, I’m about to share this earth shattering secret with you, but the guards here screen my mail, so I’ll have to keep it purposefully vague. I’m sure you’ll understand until we can talk in a few months <3”
*Mayura appears in the second movie*
“NATHALIE THAT ISN’T WHAT I MEANT!”
#she’s going to stress this poor man out SO BAD#Nathalie is probably gonna cause chaos in the next movie and I respect that#I support woman’s rights AND woman’s wrongs#Gabriel has to frantically try and find a way to convey that her current ward (HIS SON) is the one she is fighting to save him™️#hate that the movie never told us wtf Paris does with the information of his terrorism#is he forgiven (read: protected by the heroes)#or in prison (he’s rich so probably a dramatic version of house arrest but still)#if he is in prison; what do we think his sentence is lol#mlb movie spoilers#miraculous#mlb#miraculous ladybug#memes#miraculous memes#gabriel agreste#miraculous spoilers#ml spoilers#spoilers#nathalie sancoeur#mayura#miraculous awakening#hiding this in the tags but— can we all at least agree movie!gabriel had a lil something going for him towards the end#it’s the stubble and scruffy suit#he has poor little meow meow energy#out of context spoilers
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There's something potentially really interesting in Kassandra, Paris, and their relationship (or lack of one, depending on how one wants to characterize them both).
To start with the beginning, which would be how Kassandra reacts when Paris has (presumably) not actually done anything yet:
-In Euripides' Andromache, she was apparently old enough when he was newborn to have visions and called on the whole city to have the infant Paris killed. This doesn't necessarily need to come with her being old enough to have been cursed already, if she's not very detailed as to why. (Otherwise, she would be a lot older than most of the rest of Priam and Hekuba's children, even if Paris is made one of the younger ones.) -In Euripides' Alexandros, we don't actually know exactly what Kassandra's prophetic scene(s) amount to; I've seen some speculation that this play involved references to Kassandra newly having become "mad", so her curse would be recent, if so. Paris' foster father is assured to have had some part in the revelation/establishing of Paris' natal identity, whatever Kassandra's involvement.
-Sophokles also had an Alexandros, but we know even less here, so let's turn to Hyginus, who might be helpful for both of these plays.
-Hyginus' Fabula #91 doesn't mention the foster father like Euripides' Alexandros; instead Kassandra declares Paris to be her brother and Priam acknowledges him. If Hyginus hasn't left something out of the plot (of whichever play this is probably summarizing, maybe Sophocles, since Euripides didn't use the bull device to get Paris to Troy), Kassandra is here not actually used to call for her newly discovered/born brother's death, but instead facilitates his recognition by his birth family.
-In Ennius' Alexandros, one of the few fragments we have assures for us Kassandra calling on the populace to "quench the brand"; that is, Paris. Of course, with so little to go on we don't know when this is supposed to have taken place (since one can, no matter how little that might make sense if Kassandra is the one to deliver it, put such a scene at Paris' birth, like in the Andromache).
What we've got, then, is at the very least a couple incidents where Kassandra is calling for an innocent to be killed, and one incident where she might instead have facilitated recognition without any obvious call for murder.
And the thing is, of course she's technically "right" to do this. Paris is the "problem" and removing him would save Troy (well, from Paris as the spark that lights the fire, anyway, given that Zeus could have chosen/could choose to destroy the heroic race with natural disasters). One could probably not really blame her, especially when she doesn't even know him yet.
But after this - what then?
There would be some amount of time, if not between recognition and the Judgement, then between Paris coming home with Helen and the Achaeans turning up. She will get to have a chance to know him, perhaps whether she wants to or no. Does she keep to her insistence that he should be/should have been killed, without guilt or conflict? Keep to it, because it would be/would have been best, yet feel conflicted about it, because this is yet one of her brothers?
It'd certainly be one way to take to insist she simply hates him, whether he's inherently actually hateable and unpleasant or not. Maybe she'd even be in her right to! But if this is her position, even when Paris has not yet done anything to warrant it, how does she deal with that? To and for herself, and when it comes to her family? Is this yet another thing that separates her from the rest? (Maybe not Deiphobos, though ;P)
And if she finds herself liking him, yet knowing with utter certainty that Troy will suffer because Paris is alive with them - how does she deal with that?
It must in some way be easier to think someone should die for the good of all the rest when you don't know them, even if they don't deserve it because they have done nothing to cause any troubles yet, than after you've begun to know them, have begun to form a connection with them, liking them.
#paris of troy#cassandra of troy#greek myth thoughts#trojan family#no real conclusions here I am just mulling over it#especially since Tumblr is fond of the 'she hates him and thinks he should die'#with no nuance or even thought it seems to me to it
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kagami who drops in and woos adrien agreste but has everyone turn their back on her for breaking up their beautiful adrienette (even tho they weren’t even dating and adrien showed little signs of being interested in marinette)
marinette who went out with chat noir once and pictures of the two of them circulated and almost the entirety of paris hating her guts for breaking up their beautiful ladynoir (even tho they weren’t even dating and ladybug showed little signs of being interested in chat noir)
marinette and kagami bonding over being demonized for liking a boy and the fact that misogyny won that day.
anyways. my point is. marigami. thank you. goodnight.
#i don’t even actually ship them#but the thought of them being hated on for pulling paris’ most eligible bachelors#and then bonding over said experience#becoming really REALLY close friends#special friends even#who kiss#because who needs boys?#marigami#screaming along to sabrina carpenter’s all because i liked a boy#marinette dupain cheng#kagami tsurugi#adrien agreste#chat noir#marichat#adrigami#truthfully. in my mind. it went more like kagami developing a crush on marinette but marinette just letting her love life wither#she’s an independent woman#running her own business#men ain’t shit#while kagami is like#😍 uh huh uh uhuh what else 🥰#mlb#miraculous ladybug#poor adrien is standing off to the side riddled with guilt#LMAOOO#i was listening to all because i liked a boy while thinking of them and this happened 🤭
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You mentioned Love never dies in one of your recent podcast episodes. I would love to hear if you have any more thoughts about that you would like to share here?
Oh little do you know.
@theoriginalcarnivorousmuffin and I first watched Love Never Dies when Andrew Lloyd Webber released musicals for COVID, it was instantly the most incredible thing either of us had ever seen and we watched it again as soon as Muffin came online the next day.
We have since rented it, rewatched it before the 48 hour rent period expired, and I think watched it a fifth time somehow though I don't recall the details for it. It's... very possible we watched it thrice that rent period. One of them was broadcast to the Rank Heresy discord server, so it did have a purpose, we just... also rewatched it...
Love Never Dies is the single funniest, most delightful, most entertaining and glorious musical we have ever seen. Everything about it, from the uncomfortable incest anthem, to TEN YEARS OOOOOOOOLD, to the nonsensical "Devil takes the hindmost!" leitmotif (thought I was having an English fail, but no, Muffin had no idea what that meant either), to the Phantom's great artistic vision being a Coney Island circus extravaganza where girls sing about swimsuits, to said extravaganza hemorrhaging money so Meg has to prostitute herself to keep the lights on, to Christine dying at the end and Ralph says to the child he raised, "Aight son, hope you like phantoms because you'll be living with one from now on. Kk bye", to ALW being so mad the ugly guy he projected on lost the girl that he wrote the whole thing in the first place (um actually Christine loved the Phantom so after the ending scene where she chose Raoul she actually ran back into the opera basement, made love to the Phantom, then ran back again to Ralph. It was a night of passion and the song about it will take ten minutes. Beneath a Moonless Sky, my beloved. Also Raoul is a stupid idiot who spent all his money and Christine regrets everything).
And yes, the above list was only going to be a few lines long but I couln't stop naming beautiful things I loved.
Oh my goodness, another thing I almost forgot (which is sayign something!): the Phantom finds out Christine and Raoul have a child, his immediate response is "Ah, yes, it would be a shame if something... happened... to that child..."
Proceeds to get the child on his own while his parents are distracted, only the child starts playing the piano... my god... the child is ten years old... MY GOD...
This is where we get the incest anthem, the Phantom drops the infanticide plans and starts serenading his son about the beauty underneath, a terrible intense impulse you must follow, and desires we deny ourselves, how his son will accept and embrace it, and... the lyrics are just so bad, alright, and the acting somehow made it worse. Watch at your own peril.
Wild fucking ride.
#also worth a mention: madam giry hating on those savages in paris who hunted down the phantom#MADAM YOU LED THEM TO HIM#DO YOU NOT REMEMBER THIS#anyway she loves the phantom more than meg now so get working meg#phantom of the opera#love never dies#anti love never dies#incest mention
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Armand's simpering little "and I never have" has taken on new dimensions for me. Technicality king and also I think very in keeping with his whole malign fairy creature deal. You can tell him not to hurt the bae, but you should really specify what "hurt" entails. Is chopping someone's hands off really hurting them? If they have annoyed you very much I mean.
-questions Armand might pose to Lestat that inspire him to leave the country
#I do think the root of what makes Lesmad so funny is that it is literally the one of two times Lestat has displayed good sense in love#both times his mother was standing right there telling him what to do so take from that what you will#but lestat does enjoy negative attention and fucking around to find out and needling powerful entities who are enamored with him#it takes so much for him to say yes you're hot. but still no#you are too good at fucking will my head and too willing to take liberties with my body i don't like this#though iirc part of it was having experienced Armand's mind whammy he didn't want to leave him in proximity to Gabrielle#once again mommy issues carry the day#anyway#press says iwtv#I have a post percolating in my heart about the reversal of Gabby telling Lestat she just wants to die knowing he's safe in Paris with his#boyfriend#explicitly severing their codependent you're my other half my twin me but a man thing#and Gabby telling him to leave Nicki with Armand and run#but it's actually half a post that amounts to a) this too is a perversion brought on by living past your own death and#b) actually though it's her being a good mom in both instances#like probably the two times she most clearly manages that are#leave this place and me and live your own best life without guilt or shame#and leave your boyfriend who has had a psychotic break and hates you now. do not involve yourself with the sewer creature who is violently#obsessed with you.#she packed up her kid and she left! also did some other things but we don't need to talk about that#cw: incest#interview with the vampire
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Oenone had the gift of prophecy, she knew what would happen from the start, and yet she still loved Paris for the time she had with him. The main reason she sent out Corythus (to guide the Achaeans to Troy / to plot against Helen / to seduce her) is because her father had taunted her about having “lost” Paris to a “more beautiful” woman.
It varies with her intent in not healing her husband (Lycophron says his wound was incurable; Parthenius makes her still set out to save him just after rejecting the messenger; Quintus gives her that whole speech wholeheartedly spurning him; Conon has her praying for him to be wounded and forced to come back to her) yet the stories all end the same. After hearing of Paris’ demise, Oenone ends her life - out of grief, or regret, or both. Morbidly, this is the one of the few consistent things about her portrayals.
Oenone loved Paris even after all he had done, that she would go so far as to lose her will to live when he died.
#this is not to excuse paris’ actions#i was just a bit tired of the whole “oenone hates paris” idea circling around which has so little nuance#obviously i dislike the “women killing themselves over their male lovers” trope#and funnily enough i do actually enjoy oenone’s character and all the stories surrounding her#(there’s one where she takes out the messenger before taking out herself.. bonus points for double kill ig)#but i beg for a fuller discussion#one day i’ll make a more detailed post#perhaps going through all the sources (if possible lol)#hopefully for corythus too#he’s got fewer than his mother at least#(well- in the sources where she IS his mum)#this was mostly just a spur of the moment yap tbh#and i fear the tags may be getting longer than the post#anyway#oenone#oinone#corythus#korythus#paris of troy#paris and oenone#posthomerica#lycophron#cba to list em all#tagamemnon#trojan war#mythology stuff#mop
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Laurie Hernandez announcing woman’s gymnastics is such a gift and is helping with the culture shift so much bc girl is just having FUN watching her friends shine
#I don’t hate nastia like some but laurie is so refreshing#she is recognizing and explaining deductions without diminishing and degrading the athletes and it’s just nice to hear#plus she’s just fun!!!!#gymnastics#paris 2024#Olympics#laurie hernandez
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Some tdroti redesigns because I really like the characters but their designs are too simple for my taste 😮💨
#I love Zoey but I hate her design and I don’t even think mine is that accurate to her personality either#and Mike oh poor Mike his hair 💀#I didn’t take his personalities into account cause idk about them#Dakota ALWAYS pissed me off#she’s a rich girl with paparazzi following her and they give her a boring pink top and pink pants#DONTTTT make me mad#she’s obviously inspired by Paris Hilton/Regina George#and precious little dawn she deserved better but GOD her fit is SO ugly#I gave her more of a cottagecore aesthetic#total drama#total drama revenge of the island#tdroti#total drama zoey#total drama Mike#total drama dakota#total drama dawn#mine
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on the absolute highest of keys james mcavoy does pull off bald charles really well and i wish we got another movie with bald james mcavoy
#xmen#xmen apocalypse#xmen dark phoenix#charles xavier#professor x#snap chats#i do not acknowledge dark phoenix most of the time. it did give us paris proposal but otherwise i was just kinda Eh bout it#this is NOT a dark phoenix review though someone worded my thoughts about it better than i ever could#i should rewatch it though and double check my opinions vJAELJAEKLJ i always like typing them out anyway ..#i literally watched it two weeks ago but i forget everything ever besides marriage proposal and mystique dying#cause of course they kill my girlfriend i HATE IT HERE first you take her powers in last stand and now shes dead#anyway. is this inspired by bryan cranston being on the casting list to be professor x in mutant saga NO#but it is in spirit... ive never seen breaking bad but i do have a fave interview clip OF bryan so i have no beef with him#HOWEVER .... i wanna see james bald again .........#like i dont know what it is his head shape just works REALLY well... please believe me please udnerstand me#ok bye i think im uploading a doodle page later
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The way that all of these lyrics are talking abt the same exact thing. This literally confirms my Midnight in Paris theory (that the amazing @chickawah23 also had) where “golden thinking/notebook” refers to being trapped in nostalgia and not being able to stop writing abt the past and using these things as a form of escapism. This means the alcott is definitely not abt Matt and is abt Taylor (which isn’t really a shocker). I just can’t believe how well it all fits. Not to mention the connection to the 7th pumpkin message and to the other lyrics that mention gardens (betty’s garden, your wife waters flowers I wanna kill her)
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#her discography is just one big puzzle that she wants us to solve#i feel like a genius#like taylor are u reading my posts or sth bc wtf#gaylor#gaylor swift#kaylor#midnight in paris#ttpd#i hate it here#the alcott#paris#down bad#parallels#labyrinth#pumpkin#gardens
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wait what did he do
for context, paris hilton is an ACTUAL known racist/transphobe/trump supporter etc
#this is so fucking funny#like her morals obviously don’t matter to her unless she can get a check or support from swifties#bc she got so much press for publicly hating on him at glasto but working with PARIS HILTON is fine 😭😭😭#talk!#ask#matty healy
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