#she better get a redemption arc
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spop-romanticizes-abuse · 1 year ago
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a redemption arc is not a sacrifice.
a redemption arc is not some grand act of selflessness.
a redemption arc is not meaningless pain and suffering.
a redemption arc is simply facing the consequences of your actions, fixing your mistakes and doing better, regardless of whether you will be forgiven or accepted. that's it.
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bonefall · 1 year ago
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Maybe I'll make a post on this at some point but like, something deeply fucked up about TNP and Po3 that people have totally forgotten about is how badly they try to whine that "Tigerstar Had Good Traits :("
Firestar does it, Brambleclaw does it, and they keep doing this after it becomes this GRAND irony that Firestar almost gets Tiger'd to death in a fox trap because he was too trusting. Bramble gets his pity award of keeping deputyship and then cries to his son about how No One Saw The Good In Tigerstar :(
And it's wiiiiild that no one else in this fandom has done anything with the fact that Leopardstar broke the Warrior Code to appoint Hawkfrost, who had no apprentice, an extremely aggressive and warmongering Tigerclone who says things like "Tigerstar wasn't the worst cat to look up to." ONLY qualifying trait was being kinda like Tigerstar.
And she practically did that the SECOND Mistyfoot went missing. And then Leopardstar continued to be one of the most violent and xenophobic leaders through Po3, joining with WindClan to attack ThunderClan.
What I'm getting at is that like, a few years ago, with books like "Blackfoot's Reckoning" and "Shadow in RiverClan" it's like they suddenly decided to retcon in a bunch of "redemption arcs" in hindsight. They just pretended like there was this grand high reckoning with TigerClan, when there literally wasn't, and if anything that caused SERIOUS problems for the cast that the authors didn't fully acknowledge as such.
And now ppl haven't actually read the main series and are just working with their recent memory of all these retcon books.
But TNP and PO3 are still there, and you can go and see the ACTUAL timeline where Leopardstar is really not apologetic at all, and Blackstar is a useful stooge for the very next wannabe dictator that strolls in, in spite of the new side content that COMPLETELY mischaracterized them for their plots to work.
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riverdalenerdlol · 4 months ago
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Why is if I’m not here to hold her hand, will she grow to understand? such a hard lyric, and WHY is it from MOANA 2??????
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chronicsyd · 8 months ago
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And before Act 2 arrives, let's talk about Caitlyn's redemption and what needs to happen For it to happen. Because I'm Pretty sure it's gonna happen, she doesn't stay like this forever.
On her own, she needs to realize that continuously going after Jinx Isn't going to solve her problems, listening to Ambessa Isn't going to solve her problems, in fact she probably is going to learn one way or another that Ambessa is simply using her for her own means. Back in S1 she mentions to Ekko, "The cycle of violence will never stop" and "This city needs healing, more than I ever realized." and while it was naive thinking back in S1 because Caitlyn's pretty powerless compared to the Council's decisions, it's actually one of the things that has Vi start to fall for her (keep this in mind, I'm actually making a point with it). And that's inevitably what has to happen for both cities. Caitlyn herself needs to relearn that, "What am I shooting for?" lesson that Grayson taught her back from episode 5. Because in her vengeance for Jinx, she's lost the true purpose of what she's fighting for, and needs to get her head screwed back on and start thinking about it again. That violence isn't getting them anywhere, whether that be Zaun attacking Piltover, or vice versa. (now how exactly would they be able to come to those terms of ending violence? I have NO idea... that's for the show to explain.)
BUT the difference between S1 and NOW is that Caitlyn can actually DO something about it herself, unlike trying to go about shit "diplomatically" back in S1 (as in trying to rationalize with corrupt politicians that doesn't go anywhere). In order for shit to get better, Caitlyn has to be able to find a way to Work with Zaun in order to try and find a way to bring the two cities together because it seems like Ambessa is going to be the bigger threat once Act 3 arrives. Actually Showing she's Working on getting better, and one HUGE apology to Vi, is what's most likely going to get them back on better terms (and Act 2 most likely showing that they could never really let each other go in the first place, Vi's just missing the girl she used to know and Caitlyn's probably missing Vi all together)
There's most likely more things that she does that I'm missing, but this is the gist of what has to happen.
Now, will it be enough to satiate people? well... hard to say. that's up to the viewer, not me. I can't dictate if that's enough for you to forgive her or not.
But for me, if she's willing to work for it, it's enough.
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miniagula · 1 year ago
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they make me ILL and SICK IN THE HEAD
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chaoortu · 5 months ago
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see how the fuck am i meant to explain that for one of my fics i have given david an entire girlfriend and i am doubling down on the david nelson redemption arc like i made my own fucking oc to ship with this man this is so embarrassing for ME specifically.
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cluescorner · 1 month ago
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The most important thing about a Megatron ship is that it cannot end well.
#megatron#transformers#I'll talk about the ones I'm insane about in the tags I guess#Megop. Self-explanatory. Most continuities have them being besties until SOMETHING happens and now they're enemies for life.#Their relationship ends in a civil war that dooms their entire planet (and that's when Megatron isn't actively genocidal).#It is not just canon compliant that it ends badly. It is canon NECCESSARY. Most canons cannot exist without that.#Megasound. I love them so much. Even if the Decepticons won (which they don't) I still don't think they could ever be healthy.#Megatron will never be satisfied with his position. He'll always want to conquer more planets or create a bigger army or further wipe out#dissent. Alternatively if he realizes how fucked up he's made things then he will leave the 'cons altogether and work with#the Autobots. Soundwave is loyal to Megatron but she is MORE loyal to the cause in every continuity except maybe Prime.#If Megatron defects she will fight him. And if he stays loyal then she will still always be 2nd place to an end-goal that keeps shifting.#That's all without anything happening to the cassettes or all of the other reasons they are so fucked up /pos. Cannot end well.#Megarod. Jesus fucking christ I love them so much but I firmly believe that even in the 'good' ending they don't end well.#This is for like 110000 reasons but the big ones are 1) There has GOT to be resentment there on Rodimus's end. And there should be#Even outside of Megatron literally killing him (which I would actually argue was one of the better things to ever happen to Hot Rod#but that's a different post) he basically says that Megatron is worse than Zeta Prime after Megatron compliments him#for what happened on Nyon and orders Bumblebee to be fuckin scrapped and then gets used as a shield BY MEGATRON#(I might be getting the exact order of events wrong; it's been a while since I've read Autocracy)#so like Hot Rod really fuckin' hates that guy. And there's also the dozens of times Hot Rod probably lost someone in the war and#all of that shit is Megatron's fault. Then you've got the 'Megatron killing him' thing and then Rodimus actively wanting#Megatron to be tortured by OP + being upset at OP for seemingly going easy on him...yeah Rodimus hates him and has good reason to.#And obviously Megatron has improved as a person. That is the central conceit of his character in MTMTE (how much/is it enough#is up for debate). But another central conceit of his character is that his improvement doesn't get rid of all the harm he's did.#That should extent to any relationship he has with Rodimus and fits Rodimus's character as well. He cares about and loves Megatron#but that doesn't make the resentment any less visceral. There is also probably resentment on Megs's end but nothing quite so personal.#2) Megatron is still kinda in a 'self-discover/healing/redemption' era and while having that tied in so much with Rodimus is awesome#from a shipping/analysis/I just like it perspective it does not always translate into a healthy relationship.#Despite being literal millenia old Megatron is still changing a lot. We SEE him change a lot during MTMTE and it's awesome#but relationships that last are generally built on a stable foundation. Rodimus is already shaky on that front but Megatron#is NOT in a stable place right now. He's in a BETTER place 100% but he's just been through a major character arc and he needs
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itscuntingseason · 2 months ago
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i might make a longer post collecting my thoughts on this at some point, but the problem with season 5 of You, to me, is that a lot of it is great in theory, but not so good in execution.
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queenie-ofthe-void · 1 year ago
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S4 Steve Harrington: swinging an axe and tossing moltovs
Fanfic and fanart: ...
yeah so anyways Steve's nail bat
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brionysea · 8 days ago
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still thinking about azula's redemption (hard mode)
#one would expect aang to be on zuko's side aka the side of 'let's give her a chance guys'#'aang she killed you' says sokka - aang doesn't care#but where it complicates things is that because of their childhood azula has it out for zuko specifically#her whole identity was founded on being better than him on not being a failure like him#she snapped because she thought 'if i have nothing else at least I'm still better than zuko' and then SHE LOST#DURING SOZIN'S COMET SO SHE'S EVEN MORE INSANELY POWERFUL THAN SHE USUALLY IS#AND ZUKO BEAT HER#i think one of the show creators made a tweet thread about azula's arc and said she had further to fall#so she would be DIFFICULT she wouldn't be going for redemption she'd be resisting it#she'd be getting worse#and i really think that would translate as still trying to prove she's better than zuko#and probably trying to kill him all the time because like. she tried to kill mai. her best friend. azula isn't stable#AND BACK TO AANG#THIS REALLY DOES NOT VIBE WITH HIM#he lost his MIND when appa was taken away#he went into the avatar state because it was so reminiscent of going to the southern temple and finding gyatso's skeleton#aang becomes VOLATILE if you threaten the people he loves that's ALWAYS what sends him into the avatar state#so for azula to have it out for zuko? to always be trying to kill him????#aang would not be on her side#at all#you don't try to kill aang's friends. you just don't. that's how you turn him from a happy go lucky airbender into a terrifying avatar#and the fact that azula would make it SO DIFFICULT that even AANG - who wouldn't kill OZAI - isn't on her side?????#makes zuko look even more insane for insisting she's worth it but WHY WOULDN'T HE#HE'S ALWAYS COMMITTING HIMSELF TO IMPOSSIBLE QUESTS#THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF BULLSHIT HE'D GET UP TO#especially since redeemed zuko is trying to emulate iroh but still being himself and doing it his own way#hence believing in azula when no one else does like iroh did for him#avatar the last airbender
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imminent-danger-came · 2 years ago
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IVE ONLY SEEN ONE PERSON POINT THIS OUT BUT MK TRIES TO PUNCH MACAQUE DISGUISED AS WUKONG BEFORE HE EVEN REALIZES ITS WUKONG. I CAN FEEL THE MK AND SWK FIGHT IN MY BONES. Also can you imagine with like that one art post Mei asks MK who HE wants to be, not a reflection of somebody, not the Monkie Kid, not the Harbringer of Chaos and HE REPLIES WITH HIS REAL NAME I WOULD GO INSANE
I'm like. 85% sure that person was me afasdfafsd. I know I've mentioned it before somewhere!
Because it's like, MK feels extremely abandoned and hurt by Wukong during s2. MK's line of "Fine! Then just leave! At least my friends will never abandon me!" in 2x01 Sleep Bug is VERY telling, and it also makes me sob when put together with 3x10 The Samadhi Fire:
MK: "NO! Mei is my best friend—I'd never abandon her when she needs me! We're heroes! It's what we do!"
And 4x02 New Adventures:
MK: “You don’t know! We’d risk it for sure! I won’t abandon them when they need us.”
MK's own low self-worth combined with Wukong's tendency to leave in the worst way possible, which was only further exacerbated by the Lady Bone Demon's manipulation.
And I think MK's experiences and feelings throughout s2 made him resolve to never make his friends feel abandoned.
But of course, since this is Lego Monkie Kid, it's more interesting than just that—because MK leaves at the end of s4. It was out of fear, sure, but so was Wukong leaving in s2 and at the end of s3. MK does exactly what he set out not to do, making the same mistakes his mentor has, literally going to isolate himself on Flower Fruit Mountain for an undetermined amount of time.
It's things like this that make the question of "Who is MK" so intriguing, because that's who MK want's to be. He want's to be himself. But who is that person?
Is MK just like Wukong? Is he a harbinger of chaos? Is he just a noodle delivery boy? Is he Monkie Kid? What if you remove all those labels? What's left? What is he?
(Plus the whole "I just want to be me—to be MK!" "Yeah well...we all know where that leads." interaction between MK and the curse in 4x07)
And now that we've thrown MK's mysterious past and ominous future into the mix, we are in for a FULL on identity crisis spiral next season.
And well, when it comes down to it, MK was willing and ready to fight Wukong in s2. The lmk writers are fantastic at paying off several arcs all at the same time (see all of 3x10, which literally had the culmination of Mei's, MK's, Wukong's, and Macaque's arcs all in one. It's fucking phenomenal), and this is partly due to the time constraints of the show as a whole, but it's also just damn good writing. MK's past, his identity, the hurt he's experienced across every season—that's all going to come to a head. I also imagine it's going to happen right along side Mei, Wukong, and Macaque's arcs once again, because that's just how this show do. It do insane shit.
I also happen to be a believer in "Samadhi Fire Part 3", in which we get another 3x10 and 4x08 parallel to round it all up, and I am waiting, WAITING, for Mei to repeat MK's words back at him:
“Mei! You have to stop. I know you’re upset, and that’s okay! I know what it’s like to have a power you don’t know how to control—to feel like the fate of the world is in your hands and you have no idea what to do! But you always have my back, and help me through it. We, will figure this out! Together!” (3x10 The Samadhi Fire)
((Which, MK himself is repeating Mei's words back at her, with "But we're going to figure this out." I NEED A POSITIVE FEEDBACK FRIEND LOOP BABY))
But yeah. I'M WAITING MAN. WE HAVE THE SAME BONE FEELINGS.
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blackswallowtailbutterfly · 11 months ago
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Still haven't messaged my mom back. And I don't think I'm going to.
#you know how they say time makes you look on the past with nostalgia and that's why elderly people think so fondly of past decades? not me#there are moments I look back on with nostalgia sure but the overwhelming feeling of looking back on my childhood is just whatever I do#wherever I go whatever happens that will not be my life again. my memory is long I made a promise to myself I intend to keep I don't forget#support you having your grandkids if their mother is deemed unfit yes. take the older two myself if it comes to it yes. move provinces to#live with you to look after the five of them together where you would be my only adult connection and there's a language barrier and I have#no work history and I'd be between five hours and nine hours away from any other connection I have answer's an absolute fucking no. I've#seen how you are with my sister how you were with my brother. who do you think they call when they've had enough of you? do you not#remember most of the beatings I took was because I was standing between you and my brother? of course not because according to you you#never did beat me but if you think I'm not aware that would turn on me again the second I'm no longer distant and just visiting if you#think you'd find nothing to complain about because you've built up this golden child ideal of me in your head and want to forget how it was#when I was actually in your care you are very very wrong. I remember. I know that inconveniences a lot of people who want to forget#unpleasant things about themselves. me too to be honest I have memories I wish I could erase but I can't especially with regard to my#sister. I defended my brother but not her. not enough. and it's probably why I give so much to her now more than I should because it's#enabling but it is what it is I guess. I won't use my memories against anyone just for the sake of it but I absolutely fucking will#to protect myself or others. you want a redemption arc without admitting to anything? keep being patient and kind towards#your grandchildren even if you end up having to take them and if you can't do it for all five of them then accept that it's better for the#older two to be with me. that's it. those are your options: the older two are with me so you only have to look after the younger three or#you need to buckle down and learn from your past mistakes to look after the five of them and all that is *if it even comes to that* which#as things are it's not in danger of that! it was a regular fucking visit to monitor the situation that's all; they're not getting taken#literally every time she freaks out about something it's a 50/50 chance it's actually something or she's invented a completely#twisted version of events
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mendokayalways · 1 year ago
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This season of Bridgerton was a standout for me in truly the amount of beautifully diverse and complex female friendships that were portrayed - obvious ones to mention are the older ladies like Lady Danbury, Queen Charlotte, Violet Bridgerton and of course Eloise and Penelope's relationship. But also Danbury taking Alice under her wing, Eloise and Cressida Cowper even though it was doomed from the start it was genuine for some time, and a HUGE one for me that I've seen kind of not really acknowledged by a lot of people but Genevieve Delacroix and Penelope. The concern and camaraderie they have for each other as truly the only working women (esp now that the Mondritch's have fully joined the ton) in the series and the conversation they had before Penelope's wedding was so fucking amazing.
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five-of-cr · 2 years ago
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here's the thing about matthias: he isn't the honorable, reformed hero some of the fandom seems to see him as.
yes, he was raised by a tight-knit family of comrade soldiers and decides to betray them in the end. of course that took incredible strength. i don't deny that. but we also need to recognize that the drüskelle are not just some rogue cult. they are a core part of the fjerdan government, who is trying to wipe out the grisha because they are seen as dangerous. that's literally just genocide. however indoctrinated someone is, this is something that is evil from every angle, even if the character can't or won't see it.
and look, i love a good redemption arc, but matthias is such a passive actor in his. he falls in love with nina against his will. she changes his attitudes toward grisha because she's beautiful and kind so all grisha can't be bad, right? this a classic example of the trope of separating the "good ones" from the rest, where you cherry-pick specific individuals to point to as exceptions to a group's nature, which is still implied to be evil. you have to do a lot more than fall in love to truly unearth and address the roots of bigotry.
tbh, this is my biggest critique of the books as a whole. i loathe the "love conquers all" trope that pairs together a character from the oppressed group and one from the oppressors, letting the one show the other through the power of love that being bigoted is not nice. it puts all the responsibility on the former to prove their humanity, and gives all the credit to the latter's ability to be persuaded to recognize it. and then it inevitably leads to forgiveness, because the character has "earned" it by changing their views, once again making the victim seem like the villain if they don't absolve the oppressor of their past "mistakes". also, it's incredibly unrealistic for someone to fall in love with a person who actively hates them and considers them sub-human. in real life, people have to work on their bigotry before that happens, not use the relationship as a plot device for character development.
i think the idea of writing a character like matthias is neat. i think portraying someone's struggle to throw off the suffocating, hateful dogma they've been fed all their life is a story we need more of. i think personal growth of this variety should be celebrated, because otherwise people would never change. but i don't think the people, fictional or real, get to do this without facing profound consequences. it is not enough to feel sorry. it is not enough to apologize. it is definitely not enough to fall in love. and i think writing that lets people off the hook like this grossly oversimplifies power and oppression, and ends up being a feel-good way to romanticize people who cause a lot of harm.
a last note: my opinion is 100% influenced by my being bipoc. matthias is a classic aryan supremacist, even if being aryan isn't the thing he's being supremacist about. my gut reaction to that type of character is always going to be mistrust, both because people in real life have given me reason to be mistrustful and because characters like these are often written in a way that makes you sympathize with oppressors. i don't think matthias earns that trust, and i don't see why i owe him my affection as a reader.
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cambrioleur · 8 months ago
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unofficially declaring myself CEO of Claire enjoyers
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she looks so radiant here 😍😍
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edettethegreat · 2 years ago
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YOU KNOW TALENTLESS NANA?! OMG, I READ IT UP TO HER SECOND KILL BUT LIKE I WAS SO WORRIED SHE'S GONNA GET CAUGHT BECAUSE SHE KEPT GETTING CLOSE TO THEM AND EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS!!
*deep breath*
Anyway, is the manga finished now? Is the plot still fun after the second kill? (If i remember correctly she's gonna have a problem with the immortal guy right? I kinda like that guy though).... Huh, just realized this is kinda spoilery.
Agh, remembering talentless nana makes me feel weirdly nostalgic, well, I'm done gushing, thank you for reading my chaos
THERE IS SO MUCH MORE GOING ON AND YOU ARE BARELY AT THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG
listen. Listen ok. Everything that you think you know about the story and the world building. There’s a whole lot more to it than that. There’s so much more. It’s up to chapter ~90 I think and the classmate assassinations have not been relevant for the past ~30 chapters now. Please I beg of you continue reading it, the beginning kills are absolutely nothing compared to everything else that happens later.
And yes I love my guy Kyoya dearly. You learn his backround in later chapters so if you want more Kyoya content, there’s certainly more Kyoya content.
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