#she better get a redemption arc
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spop-romanticizes-abuse Ā· 10 months ago
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a redemption arc is not a sacrifice.
a redemption arc is not some grand act of selflessness.
a redemption arc is not meaningless pain and suffering.
a redemption arc is simply facing the consequences of your actions, fixing your mistakes and doing better, regardless of whether you will be forgiven or accepted. that's it.
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bonefall Ā· 11 months ago
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Maybe I'll make a post on this at some point but like, something deeply fucked up about TNP and Po3 that people have totally forgotten about is how badly they try to whine that "Tigerstar Had Good Traits :("
Firestar does it, Brambleclaw does it, and they keep doing this after it becomes this GRAND irony that Firestar almost gets Tiger'd to death in a fox trap because he was too trusting. Bramble gets his pity award of keeping deputyship and then cries to his son about how No One Saw The Good In Tigerstar :(
And it's wiiiiild that no one else in this fandom has done anything with the fact that Leopardstar broke the Warrior Code to appoint Hawkfrost, who had no apprentice, an extremely aggressive and warmongering Tigerclone who says things like "Tigerstar wasn't the worst cat to look up to." ONLY qualifying trait was being kinda like Tigerstar.
And she practically did that the SECOND Mistyfoot went missing. And then Leopardstar continued to be one of the most violent and xenophobic leaders through Po3, joining with WindClan to attack ThunderClan.
What I'm getting at is that like, a few years ago, with books like "Blackfoot's Reckoning" and "Shadow in RiverClan" it's like they suddenly decided to retcon in a bunch of "redemption arcs" in hindsight. They just pretended like there was this grand high reckoning with TigerClan, when there literally wasn't, and if anything that caused SERIOUS problems for the cast that the authors didn't fully acknowledge as such.
And now ppl haven't actually read the main series and are just working with their recent memory of all these retcon books.
But TNP and PO3 are still there, and you can go and see the ACTUAL timeline where Leopardstar is really not apologetic at all, and Blackstar is a useful stooge for the very next wannabe dictator that strolls in, in spite of the new side content that COMPLETELY mischaracterized them for their plots to work.
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chronicsyd Ā· 9 days ago
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And before Act 2 arrives, let's talk about Caitlyn's redemption and what needs to happen For it to happen. Because I'm Pretty sure it's gonna happen, she doesn't stay like this forever.
On her own, she needs to realize that continuously going after Jinx Isn't going to solve her problems, listening to Ambessa Isn't going to solve her problems, in fact she probably is going to learn one way or another that Ambessa is simply using her for her own means. Back in S1 she mentions to Ekko, "The cycle of violence will never stop" and "This city needs healing, more than I ever realized." and while it was naive thinking back in S1 because Caitlyn's pretty powerless compared to the Council's decisions, it's actually one of the things that has Vi start to fall for her (keep this in mind, I'm actually making a point with it). And that's inevitably what has to happen for both cities. Caitlyn herself needs to relearn that, "What am I shooting for?" lesson that Grayson taught her back from episode 5. Because in her vengeance for Jinx, she's lost the true purpose of what she's fighting for, and needs to get her head screwed back on and start thinking about it again. That violence isn't getting them anywhere, whether that be Zaun attacking Piltover, or vice versa. (now how exactly would they be able to come to those terms of ending violence? I have NO idea... that's for the show to explain.)
BUT the difference between S1 and NOW is that Caitlyn can actually DO something about it herself, unlike trying to go about shit "diplomatically" back in S1 (as in trying to rationalize with corrupt politicians that doesn't go anywhere). In order for shit to get better, Caitlyn has to be able to find a way to Work with Zaun in order to try and find a way to bring the two cities together because it seems like Ambessa is going to be the bigger threat once Act 3 arrives. Actually Showing she's Working on getting better, and one HUGE apology to Vi, is what's most likely going to get them back on better terms (and Act 2 most likely showing that they could never really let each other go in the first place, Vi's just missing the girl she used to know and Caitlyn's probably missing Vi all together)
There's most likely more things that she does that I'm missing, but this is the gist of what has to happen.
Now, will it be enough to satiate people? well... hard to say. that's up to the viewer, not me. I can't dictate if that's enough for you to forgive her or not.
But for me, if she's willing to work for it, it's enough.
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miniagula Ā· 9 months ago
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they make me ILL and SICK IN THE HEAD
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selunesfavouriteprincess Ā· 3 months ago
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I canā€™t even lie over time this pathetic little elf has grown on me and now I really like her as a character. sheā€™s SUCH a loser. and someone said that she shouldā€™ve been recruitable instead of Halsin after uncovering the Shadow Druid plot and she couldā€™ve had a redemption arc and now I canā€™t stop thinking about that alternate reality
#i have no idea if itā€™s a controversial opinion to like Kagha or not but#like imagine if she was sent away from the Grove. not banished but temporarily sent away to think about her actions#Halsin says she can return to the circle after sheā€™s rediscovered the oak fatherā€™s teachings etc etc#so she can join up with you in act 1 and you get a druid then and not 2 in act 2 randomly#maybe she travels with you to find redemption. you were the one who pulled her from the brink so she thinks travelling with you#will help her do some good in this world#she can have a tense reunion with the tieflings in act 2 and she apologises. some forgive her. others donā€™t as is their right#and she tries so hard to redeem herself but she learns that sometimes people are still hurt by your deeds and they might not forgive you#I think itā€™s talking to Arabella that actually gives her growth#maybe itā€™s Kagha whoā€™s involved in Arabellaā€™s powers and her learning to tame them. Arabella who has reason of all to hate her#and it takes a while and some conversation and working together but I think Arabella forgives Kagha#she doesnā€™t have to and Kagha never expected forgiveness from her but she DOES and thatā€™s what gets Kagha the most#she has a big introspective act 2 moment in the middle of the Shadow Curse#regardless she is first to suggest rescuing the tieflings from moonrise. not because she wants forgiveness but because itā€™s right#(to show her character growth and learning to care about the refugees)#and then her quest could tie into the Shadow Curse. she wants to do better and help people#and eventually the other tieflings start to come round to her. once sheā€™s proved sheā€™s actively bettering herself#the kids find her funny and Mattis definitely thinks sheā€™s a loser and not scary or mean#like okay lady sure I forgive you whatever stop crying now#Mirkon is just a little sweetie so he forgives her as long as Arabella does and then he follows her around asking loads of questions#anyway sorry those are my thoughts I think itā€™d be great to have a redemption arc companion in act 1#bc Minthara is so missable if you donā€™t know to knock her out you just kill her#Kaghaā€™s story would help indicate that there are hidden companions you can look out for#most of this is nonsense im so sleepy but will I stop rambling? no#also Minthara should top the hell out of this pathetic surface elf right now
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malwarechips Ā· 13 days ago
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we havent been into bug fables for probably like a year now but we still go euuyhh . whenever we see people shipping zasp and mothiva
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queenie-ofthe-void Ā· 5 months ago
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S4 Steve Harrington: swinging an axe and tossing moltovs
Fanfic and fanart: ...
yeah so anyways Steve's nail bat
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gh-0-stcup Ā· 9 months ago
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Gonna be honest, I don't think any Sam ship will ever hit as hard as Sam/Ruby.
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imminent-danger-came Ā· 1 year ago
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IVE ONLY SEEN ONE PERSON POINT THIS OUT BUT MK TRIES TO PUNCH MACAQUE DISGUISED AS WUKONG BEFORE HE EVEN REALIZES ITS WUKONG. I CAN FEEL THE MK AND SWK FIGHT IN MY BONES. Also can you imagine with like that one art post Mei asks MK who HE wants to be, not a reflection of somebody, not the Monkie Kid, not the Harbringer of Chaos and HE REPLIES WITH HIS REAL NAME I WOULD GO INSANE
I'm like. 85% sure that person was me afasdfafsd. I know I've mentioned it before somewhere!
Because it's like, MK feels extremely abandoned and hurt by Wukong during s2. MK's line of "Fine! Then just leave! At least my friends will never abandon me!" in 2x01 Sleep Bug is VERY telling, and it also makes me sob when put together with 3x10 The Samadhi Fire:
MK: "NO! Mei is my best friendā€”I'd never abandon her when she needs me! We're heroes! It's what we do!"
And 4x02 New Adventures:
MK: ā€œYou donā€™t know! Weā€™d risk it for sure! I wonā€™t abandon them when they need us.ā€
MK's own low self-worth combined with Wukong's tendency to leave in the worst way possible, which was only further exacerbated by the Lady Bone Demon's manipulation.
And I think MK's experiences and feelings throughout s2 made him resolve to never make his friends feel abandoned.
But of course, since this is Lego Monkie Kid, it's more interesting than just thatā€”because MK leaves at the end of s4. It was out of fear, sure, but so was Wukong leaving in s2 and at the end of s3. MK does exactly what he set out not to do, making the same mistakes his mentor has, literally going to isolate himself on Flower Fruit Mountain for an undetermined amount of time.
It's things like this that make the question of "Who is MK" so intriguing, because that's who MK want's to be. He want's to be himself. But who is that person?
Is MK just like Wukong? Is he a harbinger of chaos? Is he just a noodle delivery boy? Is he Monkie Kid? What if you remove all those labels? What's left? What is he?
(Plus the whole "I just want to be meā€”to be MK!" "Yeah well...we all know where that leads." interaction between MK and the curse in 4x07)
And now that we've thrown MK's mysterious past and ominous future into the mix, we are in for a FULL on identity crisis spiral next season.
And well, when it comes down to it, MK was willing and ready to fight Wukong in s2. The lmk writers are fantastic at paying off several arcs all at the same time (see all of 3x10, which literally had the culmination of Mei's, MK's, Wukong's, and Macaque's arcs all in one. It's fucking phenomenal), and this is partly due to the time constraints of the show as a whole, but it's also just damn good writing. MK's past, his identity, the hurt he's experienced across every seasonā€”that's all going to come to a head. I also imagine it's going to happen right along side Mei, Wukong, and Macaque's arcs once again, because that's just how this show do. It do insane shit.
I also happen to be a believer in "Samadhi Fire Part 3", in which we get another 3x10 and 4x08 parallel to round it all up, and I am waiting, WAITING, for Mei to repeat MK's words back at him:
ā€œMei! You have to stop. I know youā€™re upset, and thatā€™s okay! I know what itā€™s like to have a power you donā€™t know how to controlā€”to feel like the fate of the world is in your hands and you have no idea what to do! But you always have my back, and help me through it. We, will figure this out! Together!ā€ (3x10 The Samadhi Fire)
((Which, MK himself is repeating Mei's words back at her, with "But we're going to figure this out." I NEED A POSITIVE FEEDBACK FRIEND LOOP BABY))
But yeah. I'M WAITING MAN. WE HAVE THE SAME BONE FEELINGS.
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blackswallowtailbutterfly Ā· 4 months ago
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Still haven't messaged my mom back. And I don't think I'm going to.
#you know how they say time makes you look on the past with nostalgia and that's why elderly people think so fondly of past decades? not me#there are moments I look back on with nostalgia sure but the overwhelming feeling of looking back on my childhood is just whatever I do#wherever I go whatever happens that will not be my life again. my memory is long I made a promise to myself I intend to keep I don't forget#support you having your grandkids if their mother is deemed unfit yes. take the older two myself if it comes to it yes. move provinces to#live with you to look after the five of them together where you would be my only adult connection and there's a language barrier and I have#no work history and I'd be between five hours and nine hours away from any other connection I have answer's an absolute fucking no. I've#seen how you are with my sister how you were with my brother. who do you think they call when they've had enough of you? do you not#remember most of the beatings I took was because I was standing between you and my brother? of course not because according to you you#never did beat me but if you think I'm not aware that would turn on me again the second I'm no longer distant and just visiting if you#think you'd find nothing to complain about because you've built up this golden child ideal of me in your head and want to forget how it was#when I was actually in your care you are very very wrong. I remember. I know that inconveniences a lot of people who want to forget#unpleasant things about themselves. me too to be honest I have memories I wish I could erase but I can't especially with regard to my#sister. I defended my brother but not her. not enough. and it's probably why I give so much to her now more than I should because it's#enabling but it is what it is I guess. I won't use my memories against anyone just for the sake of it but I absolutely fucking will#to protect myself or others. you want a redemption arc without admitting to anything? keep being patient and kind towards#your grandchildren even if you end up having to take them and if you can't do it for all five of them then accept that it's better for the#older two to be with me. that's it. those are your options: the older two are with me so you only have to look after the younger three or#you need to buckle down and learn from your past mistakes to look after the five of them and all that is *if it even comes to that* which#as things are it's not in danger of that! it was a regular fucking visit to monitor the situation that's all; they're not getting taken#literally every time she freaks out about something it's a 50/50 chance it's actually something or she's invented a completely#twisted version of events
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mendokayalways Ā· 5 months ago
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This season of Bridgerton was a standout for me in truly the amount of beautifully diverse and complex female friendships that were portrayed - obvious ones to mention are the older ladies like Lady Danbury, Queen Charlotte, Violet Bridgerton and of course Eloise and Penelope's relationship. But also Danbury taking Alice under her wing, Eloise and Cressida Cowper even though it was doomed from the start it was genuine for some time, and a HUGE one for me that I've seen kind of not really acknowledged by a lot of people but Genevieve Delacroix and Penelope. The concern and camaraderie they have for each other as truly the only working women (esp now that the Mondritch's have fully joined the ton) in the series and the conversation they had before Penelope's wedding was so fucking amazing.
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five-of-cr Ā· 1 year ago
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here's the thing about matthias: he isn't the honorable, reformed hero some of the fandom seems to see him as.
yes, he was raised by a tight-knit family of comrade soldiers and decides to betray them in the end. of course that took incredible strength. i don't deny that. but we also need to recognize that the drĆ¼skelle are not just some rogue cult. they are a core part of the fjerdan government, who is trying to wipe out the grisha because they are seen as dangerous. that's literally just genocide. however indoctrinated someone is, this is something that is evil from every angle, even if the character can't or won't see it.
and look, i love a good redemption arc, but matthias is such a passive actor in his. he falls in love with nina against his will. she changes his attitudes toward grisha because she's beautiful and kind so all grisha can't be bad, right? this a classic example of the trope of separating the "good ones" from the rest, where you cherry-pick specific individuals to point to as exceptions to a group's nature, which is still implied to be evil. you have to do a lot more than fall in love to truly unearth and address the roots of bigotry.
tbh, this is my biggest critique of the books as a whole. i loathe the "love conquers all" trope that pairs together a character from the oppressed group and one from the oppressors, letting the one show the other through the power of love that being bigoted is not nice. it puts all the responsibility on the former to prove their humanity, and gives all the credit to the latter's ability to be persuaded to recognize it. and then it inevitably leads to forgiveness, because the character has "earned" it by changing their views, once again making the victim seem like the villain if they don't absolve the oppressor of their past "mistakes". also, it's incredibly unrealistic for someone to fall in love with a person who actively hates them and considers them sub-human. in real life, people have to work on their bigotry before that happens, not use the relationship as a plot device for character development.
i think the idea of writing a character like matthias is neat. i think portraying someone's struggle to throw off the suffocating, hateful dogma they've been fed all their life is a story we need more of. i think personal growth of this variety should be celebrated, because otherwise people would never change. but i don't think the people, fictional or real, get to do this without facing profound consequences. it is not enough to feel sorry. it is not enough to apologize. it is definitely not enough to fall in love. and i think writing that lets people off the hook like this grossly oversimplifies power and oppression, and ends up being a feel-good way to romanticize people who cause a lot of harm.
a last note: my opinion is 100% influenced by my being bipoc. matthias is a classic aryan supremacist, even if being aryan isn't the thing he's being supremacist about. my gut reaction to that type of character is always going to be mistrust, both because people in real life have given me reason to be mistrustful and because characters like these are often written in a way that makes you sympathize with oppressors. i don't think matthias earns that trust, and i don't see why i owe him my affection as a reader.
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cambrioleur Ā· 25 days ago
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unofficially declaring myself CEO of Claire enjoyers
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she looks so radiant here šŸ˜šŸ˜
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fantasykiri5 Ā· 1 month ago
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I love kipperlilly in that sheā€™s a rancid little bastard asshole and I like seeing her do weird fucked up shit because itā€™s INTERESTING
#kiri rambles#like YEAH she clearly had some mental issues going on but like.#she was also just a Fucking Asshole. you can be mentally ill and still be a fucking asshole independently of that#like she. tried to end the world. itā€™s heavily implied that she KNEW what she was getting into with Porter and SOUGHT HIM OUT. and then-#-decided to bring her friends down that path with her ultimately ending in their murders. and one refusing to be brought back like that#like yeah it was fucked up and there was definitely some manipulation happening there but she was NOT totally helpless there. there was at-#-least SOME level of intentionality in her case#and THATS why I think sheā€™s so interesting!! I REALLY wanna know exactly what makes her tick like that!!#like girl you willingly lead all your friends to their deaths because you wanted better grades than some kids who didnā€™t even know you!!#thatā€™s fucked girl!!!#anyways I wrote this because I donā€™t understand all the people who say Kipperlilly should have been resurrected with the other rat grinders-#-and redeemed immediately like they were. like! NO!! she was a fucking asshole and had at least a major hand in murdering her friends and-#-tried to end the world!!! being mentally ill doesnā€™t excuse you from that even if it helps contextualize it!#anyways I hope she comes back as a little Devil next season and sheā€™s still a little fucking asshole. maybe she can have a longer-#-redemption over the course of senior year kinda like Aelwyn. honestly hanging out with Aelwyn might do her some good ngl#but my point is if she WERE to get redeemed it would take more than a cutscene yā€™know? like thatā€™s a whole ARC right there#anyways. I think Iā€™m done#kipperlilly copperkettle#fhjy#d20 fhjy#dimension 20 fhjy#Kipperlilly fhjy#dimension 20 fantasy high#fantasy high#fantasy high junior year#dimension 20#d20#d20 fantasy high
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edettethegreat Ā· 1 year ago
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YOU KNOW TALENTLESS NANA?! OMG, I READ IT UP TO HER SECOND KILL BUT LIKE I WAS SO WORRIED SHE'S GONNA GET CAUGHT BECAUSE SHE KEPT GETTING CLOSE TO THEM AND EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS!!
*deep breath*
Anyway, is the manga finished now? Is the plot still fun after the second kill? (If i remember correctly she's gonna have a problem with the immortal guy right? I kinda like that guy though).... Huh, just realized this is kinda spoilery.
Agh, remembering talentless nana makes me feel weirdly nostalgic, well, I'm done gushing, thank you for reading my chaos
THERE IS SO MUCH MORE GOING ON AND YOU ARE BARELY AT THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG
listen. Listen ok. Everything that you think you know about the story and the world building. Thereā€™s a whole lot more to it than that. Thereā€™s so much more. Itā€™s up to chapter ~90 I think and the classmate assassinations have not been relevant for the past ~30 chapters now. Please I beg of you continue reading it, the beginning kills are absolutely nothing compared to everything else that happens later.
And yes I love my guy Kyoya dearly. You learn his backround in later chapters so if you want more Kyoya content, thereā€™s certainly more Kyoya content.
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blujayonthewing Ā· 1 year ago
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juniper: [delicately and VERY slowly working through the whole complicated situation with shadowheart in a ginger slowburn]
karlach to june, three(3) days after meeting her: GODS I wanna ride you til you see stars
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