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I’ve seen a couple people bring up “Vi could have gone to Ekko and the Firelights instead of joining Caitlyn and the Enforcers” when others mention that Vi’s “home” is where her family/loved ones are, she isn’t really loyal to Zaun Especially when it’s been run into the ground by Silco. However, there’s a couple of problems with this.
1) the way the Firelights operate doesn’t really fit Vi’s mo. The Firelights hide/observe most of the time and are strategical in how they combat Silco and his crew. Meanwhile, Vi’s a “punch first, ask questions while punching” kinda gal, she doesn’t think twice when she see’s Sevika she goes in knee first, she and Jayce go fist flying into one of Silco’s Shimmer facilities to destroy it. so it’s pretty logical to say that there’d be opposition on how shits being run between her and them.
2) But More Importantly, Vi thinks Ekko’s dead at that current point. She doesn’t see him from S1 Ep7-S2 Ep9. She sees the explosion, assumes he’s passed, and after that doesn’t see him when she goes after the Shimmer Facility, has her rematch with Sevika, and gets kidnapped by Jinx. During Act 1 of S2, the Only person left in Vi’s life Is Caitlyn, Vi feels responsible because Jinx has murdered her mom and wants to protect Caitlyn. She joins Caitlyn because Caitlyn explains to her her fears of one of them ending up dead if Jinx and Caitlyn fight 1v1 and expresses her frustration with everything falling apart at the seams, and with Caitlyn’s strike team there aren’t any civilian casualties like there Would have been from a full scale Enforcer Invasion, because with the Enforcer invasion we'd probably see a scene similar to the opening bridge scene where Vi and Powder's parents died (because Yes using the gray Is bad, but no one actually dies, Viktor’s declining health is due to a prolonged condition of constantly living with the stuff for several years). So if Vi thinks he’s dead, why would she just up and ditch Caitlyn for the Firelights when there's no one there that she gives a shit about?
Now it could be argued that Vi thought Jinx was dead to until she shows up again, but the thing with Jinx is that Vi can see she was saved with however much Shimmer Singed injected into her. The same can’t be said for Ekko, so the argument that Vi thinks he’s dead still holds up because Vi doesn’t see him after that.
This is part of an issue that I’m seeing with the fandom where they seem to forget they have more imminent knowledge than the characters do, and they’re making arguments based on Their knowledge rather than the characters. Which is pointless when you’re trying to make a character analysis because a lot of the time it falls into a personal bias because of the information that the audience has. And I'm seeing this kind of fallacy all over the place when it comes to discussing Vi and Caitlyn especially.
#arcane#arcane season 2#vi arcane#ekko arcane#arcane discussion#just some thoughts#league of legends#jinx arcane#caitlyn kiramman#the audience knows more than the character#remember that
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hot take but Timebomb has more in common with Catradora than Caitvi does: childhood friends to enemies to lovers(?) where ones the right hand to the guy making everyone's lives worse (Catra&Hordak/Jinx&Silco) the other is the rebellion (Ekko and the Firelights/Adora and the Princess Alliance), they actively almost murder each other quite a few times on the battlefield, at one point there's an alternate dimension where everything is "almost perfect", one becomes suicidal after losing everything/one and they have to fight a robotic overlord that mind controls everyone to not have free will, oh and one gets a dramatic haircut
like you saw Caitlyn in that "Commander Kiramman" role and just Ran with it despite when putting further thought into it, she and Catra have basically Nothing in common
#arcane#arcane season 2#shera#caitvi#timebomb#catradora#jinx arcane#ekko arcane#vi arcane#caitlyn kiramman#catra#adora#hot take#but when you think about it...
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Yk… I feel like people have become So used to like TikTok doom-scrolling feeding their limited attention span and having most sapphic rep be TV-Y7 shows (She-ra, TOH, TLOK, etc.) that when they’re faced with a TV-14 show where they actually have to Pay Attention to little things like facial expressions over words instead of having constant exposition shoved in their face they don’t like it.
And this is not me saying you can’t be an adult and watch a TV-Y7 show, but you Do have to keep in mind that the shows target demographic Is younger viewers so they have to utilize stuff like exposition so younger viewers can easily understand it. And those shows have pretty black and white morals “Horde = Bad” “Princess Alliance = Good” all that fun stuff.
But Arcane isn’t like that, it makes you think deeper about what’s actually being told to you and I’ve had to do a couple rewatches myself to pick up on stuff I hadn’t noticed the first time. And putting those same black and white morals to the characters like these really does the show a disservice.
(I also think the "oh I don't like oppressor x oppressed" complaint to be Incredibly stupid because you could slap that onto practically Anything. Heterosexual relationships/Hetero-passing relationships? that's oppressor x oppressed because of men over women. Mixed relationships involving any white person? that's Definity oppressor x oppressed. Relationships involving a cis and trans person? yup oppressor x oppressed again. Reducing characters down purely to their socioeconomic status and occupation and ignoring all the nuance, complexity and logic of them and their actions frustrate the hell out of me because they refuse to think deeper than that.)
And I'd RATHER Caitlyn Show she's remorseful and changing through her Actions rather than a sob session of "I'm sorrys'" (Also, LAST time Caitlyn merely said words to Vi ("I won't"), her actions didn't reflect those words, so why would Vi trust a simple "I'm sorry" now? Not to mention we already got that "I'm sorry" plot beat when it came to Jayce and Viktor back in S1 with Jayce doing stuff like setting the Bridge Blockade (and No one wants to bring up the "oppressor x oppressed" thing when talking about Jayvik despite it being the same dynamic...))
(Let's also address that Vi never said "I'm sorry" to Jinx for joining the Enforcers. No, the "I'm sorry" in Ep 3 wasn't for That it was an "I'm sorry for what's about to happen" because they Both know that there's a high possibility that Jinx might be dead at the end of this fight, and I know this because Vi becomes defensive in Ep 5 when Jinx brings it up. Vi doesn't say "I'm sorry" for hitting Isha either (btw if you say Vi saw Jinx care for Isha as a "I'm a bad sister" then you just lack basic media literacy all together). Jinx never says "I'm sorry" for all the fucked up shit she does like kidnapping Caitlyn and forcing Vi to kill her. Also, Vi AND Caitlyn come up with the plan to take out Silco loyalists, Shimmer and Jinx so why the hell does Caitlyn have to apologize for that? Caitlyn admits that forcing Vi to take the badge was the wrong thing to do and gives an explanation as to why she wanted Vi to join her as an Enforcer, because Caitlyn's worry of "one of us comes back in a box" IS justified)
(I also think the time jumps have fooled the audience, because they feel that Caitlyn's scene with Ambessa in ep 4 is "a complete 180" when you have to keep in mind that Caitlyn's been watching how her actions have affected those in these 6 months that we haven't really been seeing her on screen; we see bits of her during the "Paint the Town Blue" montage and Even Then you see her damn near crying in one of those still shots and looking so exhausted and over it in another. Once again part of that "Arcane wanting you to use your brain to connect those dots instead of the show doing For you but the audience refuses to do so" kinda stuff.)
Also, do people need to go through their Own trauma, grief and anger in order to understand Caitlyn's actions/motivations? because it's kinda starting to look that way. Caitlyn wasn't maliciously manipulating Vi with the kiss and the "I won't" statement because when going through emotions like this, Caitlyn doesn't have the time to reflect on those actions and see how she is changing, it's more of a hope that she isn't changing in the way that Vi doesn't want her to (you have to remember that S1 Ep4-S2 Ep3 happens within the span of like a week, maybe two at the most; Caitlyn's not being given time to stop or think about what's she's doing or what's going on, she's merely going through the motions in a sense. So by the time we pick up Ep 4 and there's been months of shit happening under her watch, she's had Time to be like "I don't want to be this, I hate this and the person I've become in all this".)
(I mean we can have Another discussion of how a lot of hate is just performative activism. One of the reasons I Like Caitlyn so much is because she shows that even with good morals, someone from privilege can easily fall down that rabbit hole. Because that's happened to myself before. Despite being lesbian and mentally disabled I still come from certain privilege, while I don't come from aristocratic wealth, I still lived a life better than most and just being a white woman that also gives me privilege and I've had to do my own reflecting on how my thoughts and actions can affect others simply from that privilege; which is what Caitlyn's able to do herself over the course of the season, which it seems that none of these haters are able to grasp)
#arcane#arcane season 2#caitlyn kiramman#league of legends#arcane discussion#arcane analysis#arcane hot take#im done#this fandom annoys me#id love to have deep and insightful conversations on these characters#but everyone is a simple minded neanderthal that wont engage on that level
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Yea, no the wiki’s wrong on this one (also I’m pretty sure that the wiki is run by fans not the creators, so take a grain of salt with what it says)
Jinx is being held in the dungeons of Piltover’s Capitol, not the Kiramman estate. We saw the same area at the end of "Heavy is the Crown"; and the council wouldn't be having a meeting in the Kiramman estate, seeing as how Caitlyn isn't a member.
Ep 1:
Ep 8:
But what does make this MORE awkward is:
These four have Their meeting in the same area that Caitlyn and Vi got all steamy soooo....
From league of legends wiki
1. Jinx was kept in a bunker below the Kiramman mansion not at Stillwater or some other jail.
2. Cait kept Jinx close by to Vi just in case.
3. As others pointed out, the place was clean, with the sun shinning through.
4. So CaitVi scene was at Kiramman mansion….could have move it upstairs after
#arcane#arcane season 2#caitvi#the wiki is wrong#talk about awkward though#having a war meeting where you Just had sesbian lex#league of legends
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I'm gonna be so serious, y'all are remembering POWDER and Ekko and not JINX and Ekko when screaming about how much you "wanted Timebomb endgame over Caitvi"
shoving JINX in a relationship with her current mental state is not a good writing choice whatsoever, because Ekko literally had to keep rewinding time because she kept trying to kill herself. If Anything, That relationship would be rushed and fanservice because they would have jumped the gun in 2 episodes vs the 2 seasons it took for Caitvi and showing their ups and downs throughout their whole relationship.
The alternate universe works because Powder doesn't become Jinx and the two don't separate, unlike this universe where the two have been at odds for 7 years and almost kill each other back in Ep 7 of S1.
"But Cait never said sorry!" she didn't really have to, because Vi never stopped being in love with the girl that she Knows Cait is at heart, the Cocktail Molotov scene in Act 2 makes that VERY apparent. Cait saying that she was waiting for Vi to recover to address Jinx is the start of it because Act 1 Cait wouldn't have even Considered doing that, because she was so gung-ho about putting a bullet into Jinx that she Demanded Vi move out of the way for her to do so. She holds herself accountable with the mistakes she's made ("We can't erase our mistakes. None of us." that wasn't just a line targeted at Jinx to prove a point, there's deeper meaning behind it), and moving the guards out of the cell proving that she trusts Vi and her judgment on Jinx is that apology, Caitlyn has always been an "acts of service" kinda person over being a "verbal" kinda person; it's all over the place in S1 but Especially here in S2. But even after she takes Vi's shirt off, you could tell by her eyes and body language that she was most likely going to stop herself again to apologize for hitting her because the wound was in the same spot she initially hit, which was part of the lead up for This wound to even happen, but Vi's the one that just pulls her back in instead.
I'm also gonna add on that Vi thinks she made the wrong choice in trusting Jinx and thinking Jinx's changed because Jinx locked her in the cell and ran away again. So why in the Hell would Vi go chasing after her Again to be met with the same result time and time again? Vi isn't responsible for Jinx's mental health and y'all saying that are just weird. And I think it's apparent that Stillwater probably wasn't even in the top 10 things in her head being with Caitlyn, she was just running wild on emotions that she hasn't allowed herself to feel like-- Ever. And even if it Was Vi probably would have said she wasn't comfortable being in a jail cell of all places.
What was I talking about? Oh right, Timebomb.
Like Yes, it's shitty that Ekko doesn't get a happy ending considering he's the most unproblematic in the entire show. But people tend to forget that at the end of the day, Arcane is a TRADGEDY. It's not She-ra, it's not The Owl House, it wasn't going to be wrapped up in a neat little bow where everyone gets to smile and walk into the sunset with their loved ones, especially considering the fact that this season's being used as build ups to other stories, it's relatively clear that this isn't the last we're going to see of a lot of these characters. When they come back into play? well... who's to say?
But also, let's address that a lot of the Caitvi hate is just straight up homophobia at this point because a lot of people can understand Mel's admission to manipulating Jayce as an apology but Cait's actions we're suddenly braindead and need shit completely spelled out. like good lord I'm so tired of this. Y'all would NEVER have survived Catradora let me tell ya...
(My next post is gonna be a long winded rant about Maddie so stay tuned for that...)
#arcane#arcane season 2#caitlyn kiramman#vi arcane#ekko arcane#jink arcane#caitvi#timebomb#league of legends#yall are weird#and hypocritical#to say the least#arcane discussion#im rambling again#but i have a point#making timebomb canon would be fanservice not caitvi#im just saying
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I think it makes the most sense that both Vi and Caitlyn die in the alternate universe. Because it could be enough that Vi dies because of Jayce's illegal contraband, making Piltover responsible for the death, but the way that Piltover is even at the start of the show they could be like "well they were stealing they deserved it" or some other nonsense but if the daughter of a councilor were to Also die due to Jayce's illegal contraband, that would be enough for them because not only did it affect Them but two daughters of two of the top people from both Piltover and Zaun die so they'd have to mend.
But this also proves that Hextech was the problem in the alternate universe, Not Vi. Because of the deaths, the Council doesn't send hoards of Enforcers to Zaun in response, Hextech doesn't get off the ground, Piltover doesn't become this "City of Progress" leaving Zaun in the dust, with Piltover and Zaun able to mend and things aren't as hostile in Zaun both Vander and Silco are able to mend their own relationship so things like Shimmer and Silco's deal with Marcus doesn't happen, like the list goes on.
#arcane#arcane season 2#caitlyn kiramman#vi arcane#caitvi#arcane alternate universe#arcane theory#it makes sense#if you think about it#theyre soulmates your honor
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I would like to remind everyone getting all fussy about the "dirt under your fingernails" line from Vi is that psychologically, the meaning of the phrase "dirt under your fingernails" means "staying grounded, humble, and connected, to keep one's head out of the clouds, always keep one's feet on the ground, never get too caught up in one's self, spend some time on the front line."
By saying "nothings gonna clean me out" she means that she's going to stay connected to Caitlyn, this is basically a love confession from Vi. And its a line that fits Vi's character really well considering that for the entire show she's spent her time being caught up in herself, questioning the decisions she makes and her relationship with others (namely Jinx and Caitlyn). she's finally grounding herself, and I find that extremely poetic.
#arcane#arcane season 2#vi arcane#caitlyn kiramman#caitvi#dirt under your fingernails#deeper meaning#poetic cinema
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ok now that I'm done freaking out over Caitvi (for the moment...) can we talk about how it was Mel (Ambessa's daughter) AND Caitlyn (someone Ambessa manipulated to be like one of her own) to be the ones to fight Ambessa? like Muah! Love it! Perfection!
A Mel and Cait tag team wasn't something I knew I needed Until I had it! (Similar to how I didn't know I needed Jayce and Ekko interacting until I got it back in Act 1)
(But I really hope that with the "new stories" they mentioned that this isn't the last we see of characters like Caitlyn, Vi, Mel, etc. otherwise I'm REALLY gonna miss them! like-- wtf do I do now?!)
#arcane#arcane season 2#arcane spoilers#caitlyn kiramman#mel medarda#ambessa medarda#i love it#perfection#didn't know i needed it till i had it#these two work so well together#league of legends#i need more of my characters#i hope this isn't the last of them
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Caitlyn IS, and ALWAYS HAS BEEN a "Actions speak louder than words" kinda character and it frustrates me to no end that no one understands this
Caitlyn: breaks off her relationship with Ambessa,calls off her entire crusade against Jinx, woman who killed her mother, and lets her go. All because of Vi. And that's not to mention multiple visual details in her reactions and expressions that are saying more than words.
Some people: BuT shE diD'nT sAy "sorry".
I honestly cannot...
It's not even about nuance or subtlety, y'all really need everything spelled out for you?
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yall were going CRAZY last week over the spitting, handcuffs, tackling and whatnot saying "oh these two kinky fucks"
and then have the AUDACITY to act shocked and surprised that they did the hanky panky in a jail cell
like make up your minds people!
(I mean I could also go into detail about how it's symbolic and where the two first met and this that and the other but like-- I'll leave it at this is the Least surprising thing to come from These two considering their kiss back in Ep 3 was basically in a sewer of all places)
#arcane#arcane season 2#arcane spoilers#caitvi#caitlyn kiramman#vi arcane#caitvi nation#we won!!!!#lesbianism for the win#hypocrites you all are#like yea its expected from these two what do you mean#im never going to shut up about this#im not sorry
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I FUCKING CALLED MADDIE'S STUPID LITTLE SNAKE BITCH ASS!!!! I KNEW IT!!!
I've been saying for the past WEEK that there were too many little moments with her giving too knowing of a look with Vi and Cait at the memorial, to the way Ambessa says "in private" at her, the "void i was able to fill" thing didn't sit right with me, hell even rewatching her conversation with Vi in the First Episode was giving me warning flags, but EVERYONE kept saying "You're being too paranoid!" "You're just pissy that she slept with Caitlyn and saying she's evil to justify it!" blah blah blah!
I EXPECT apologies for Everyone that questioned me! the first and ONLY time my fully conscious gut decision lead me in the right direction and I Wasn't making a half assed joke at 3 in the morning! muahahahah!!!!!!!
(I'm gonna be relishing in this for the next week I'm SO not sorry)
ngl, if the thing with Maddie is what I think it is, I'm gonna be annoyed at it Definitely, but I don't think I'll be raging quite like I've seen other people doing. But if Maddie turns into a "wolf in sheep's clothing" kinda thing with her kind words, bubbly personality, being adoring of Caitlyn and all that noise THEN I'm gonna be pissed.
Cuz I'm Already mad enough at Ambessa and if Maddie is lumped on top of the pile I'm gonna turn into a LUNATIC. Like there's only So much I can take from this show before going insane...
#arcane#arcane season 2#arcane spoilers#caitlyn kiramman#maddie nolan#what a snake#i called it#i knew it#im gonna be relishing in maddie defender tears for the next week istg#don't speak ill about my wife Caitlyn EVER again#caitvi nation we won#im gonna be so annoying
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The Act 3 fight against Ambessa in a nutshell:
"Ok just leave the planning to Mel and Cait and for the Love of ALL things holy don't let Vi and Jayce within 20ft of each other while it's happening. With that, we should be all good! ... hopefully ... maybe..."
#arcane#arcane season 2#arcane season 2 act 3#caitlyn kiramman#vi arcane#mel medarda#jayce talis#two halves of a whole idiot#i love their dynamic#it's great#let's just hope this goes over well#we have 2 hrs left people!!!#I'm TERRIFIED
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I find it kinda funny that people were expecting Caitlyn to turn into like-- Horde Prime levels of evil ('specially considering that That level of evil is Wildly out of character for her), but it's Hilariously ironic to me because the VA of Horde Prime Himself is IN THIS SHOW
#arcane#arcane season 2#caitlyn kiramman#horde prime#shera#keston john#ironic#but like its pretty funny though#when you think about it
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WHAT is it with me and getting attached to characters who’s manipulators feel being with their loved ones is a “distraction”?
Cuz like— Hello?!
Like first it’s Adora, now it’s Caitlyn, is this just gonna be my Whole thing when getting attached to new characters?
#arcane#arcane season 2#caitlyn kiramman#ambessa medarda#Caitvi#adora#shadow weaver#shera and the princesses of power#what is wrong with me#it’s becoming a pattern#i just#I just can’t with this#lesbians#a distraction my ass#that’s their Love damn you
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Caitlyn and Ambessa's Game of Cat and Mouse pt 5- "Don't Underestimate Ambessa"
Here is where Vi and Caitlyn put their plan to trick Ambessa into motion. Now the thing is, is that they've already underestimated Ambessa before the full plan is even put into fruition.
Right after Ambessa says, "Well done, Caitlyn" she looks over to Rictus who nods and leaves. To me, that's a silent request, "keep an eye on her." she's already suspected that with Vi back in the picture whatsoever that Caitlyn's become "distracted" as she puts it. despite the two doing some pretty top tier acting (btw Caitlyn was totally into Vi spitting on her don't lie); when Singed is ready to go, Ambessa silently tells Caitlyn to go with him, but having sent Rictus out first, means that he's been watching Caitlyn as the two carry their plan out.
She then goes on this whole speech to thank Vi for leaving in the first place, because with really the only voice of reason in Cait's life gone, Ambessa saw that she could easily manipulate her however she liked (or so she thought). So with Vi back in the picture, and her making "too many complications", Ambessa's plan here was just to kill Vi. Regardless if the two were carrying out a plan against her. After Vi says, "she's not distracted" you see a smirk on Ambessa's face, she does believe this, she thinks that Caitlyn has fully gotten over Vi and her loyalty to Ambessa hasn't wavered.
But then Vi keeps talking. and you can see that Ambessa's face grows with suspicion as Vi continues to do so.
After Vi says, "Just shut the fuck up." Ambessa looks over towards Caitlyn's gun, she realizes that the net compartment is empty, and that Caitlyn left it that way when she left. she realizes that she's been played, and tries to kill Vi, but its too little too late for that because Vi's able to take her out.
Now something I haven't seen people mentioning is that when Vi says "Vander's in trouble. I have a plan, you're not gonna like it." she's actually talking to Jinx here. Jinx doesn't shoot Caitlyn not Just because she sees Caitlyn take out Singed, because it's apart of their plan. What Jinx isn't gonna like is that she's not allowed to shoot Caitlyn, she's supposed to be Caitlyn's Backup if anything happens to her.
And something does. Because Ambessa sent Rictus out earlier he saw Caitlyn take out Singed, that she betrayed Ambessa. when he says "Ambessa believed in you." it seems to me that Ambessa thought that she had Caitlyn's loyalty the whole time, which was rather stupid of her. And he tries to kill her, which is why Jinx takes action.
After Jayce kills Victor and causes Warwick to lose control again, killing Rictus, Caitlyn realizes that she's made Ambessa lose both her coveted weapon, And Rictus. And realizes that she's been caught doing so, which is why she turns in shock to see Ambessa.
The look that Ambessa gives her is a look of disbelief before turning into one of pure unbridled rage.
Caitlyn's both won and lost their game of cat and mouse. because while she temporarily stopped Ambessa, but it seems that in the next Act she's working with Singed to resurrect Warwick, and that a lot of her soldiers look to be hyped on Shimmer when they attack Piltover.
So with ALL this outta the way, let's talk about Vi and Caitlyn's argument to come in the next Act:
The way they're framing it in the trailer, it makes it look like that Vi's accusing her of just sitting there and taking whatever Ambessa's said to her, considering what Vi's been told by Ambessa in ep 6, "She oinked poison in your ear and you just ate it." and Caitlyn scream of "I know!" makes it seem like Caitlyn's agreeing with Vi that Caitlyn just let Ambessa do all that, that she was just blindly following Ambessa and letting her do whatever she wanted.
But if everything I'M saying is correct, it seems like the "I know!" statement is going to more-so shed light on the fact that Caitlyn fully knew what Ambessa was about. and tried in her own way to take her down just wasn't able to fully do anything of merit until Vi came along. Which is a better defense for her, and Might calm Vi's anger down a little bit (still needs to apologize for hitting her though).
Ambessa's whole downfall was picking Caitlyn to begin with. Why? Few reasons. 1) She's a detective, she notices things that people miss on the regular, it's how she noticed the corruption happening under the Councils noses back in S1. 2) She's a politicians daughter, she's been around powerful and corrupt people her entire life, so she's learned a thing or two about manipulating people/situations to her will. 3) Most importantly, she's recently been exposed to people like Silco and Marcus, so that's made her weary of people more in general, and it's how she caught onto Ambessa's bullshit so quickly.
The thing is, I think if she picked Salo instead, Caitlyn would have probably still been suspicious of her anyways, just probably would have been able to be more under the radar trying to figure her out.
#arcane#arcane season 2#arcane spoilers#caitlyn kiramman#vi arcane#ambessa medarda#caitlyn and ambessa's game of cat and mouse#final part#arcane act 3 prediction#sort of#arcane analysis#im done now#i promise#my fingers are tired
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Caitlyn and Ambessa's Game of Cat and Mouse pt 4- The Herald/Bring in Vi
Now, one of the other scenes that I'm bringing up during pt 3 where i believe that Caitlyn's already picked up on Ambessa wanting a weapon is right after the two are done training. In which after Singed says he's "tracked him to Zaun", Ambessa says, "let's hunt a beast" but the thing is is that the camera switches focus from her to Caitlyn when she says this, they Want you to focus on Caitlyn's reaction to this.
Caitlyn's picked up on the inconsistent language that Ambessa's using when she's speaking to Caitlyn, she knows that Ambessa has no interest in hunting the beast, but she doesn't say anything about it.
When Caitlyn's with Ambessa at the Herald's she looks all intense and whatnot, keeping a face for Ambessa that she's still completely by her side.
however when Ambessa sends Rictus over to Huck, Caitlyn's face glosses over with concern before eyeing Ambessa in suspicion AGAIN, concern that a Completely Unarmed man is going to be killed and suspicion that Ambessa has No issue with doing this. Caitlyn completely understands Just how dangerous Ambessa is, and who she's willing to kill to get her way.
And when Ambessa sends Singed to speak to Viktor, they show Caitlyn's face again, eyes following him but her face is still etched with suspicion, she doesn't trust this whatsoever.
Now, bring Vi back into the picture:
(side note: can we bring up the fact that Caitlyn used the Exact move Ambessa used on her earlier in the episode, GENIUSES these writers, Geniuses i tell you!)
I'm presuming that Caitlyn was probably not only left as lookout for Ambessa, but Caitlyn Herself was hiding in the shadows and was going to follow Singed herself. But with Vi following him, she still has to take them out.
When she recognizes that it's Vi, her face is filled with shock and disbelief, "how/why/what is Vi even doing here?". Vi saying "on the job I see," reminds her of Where they are, so she looks back towards the Noxus base before telling Vi, "you can't be here." like i said, Caitlyn's Fully understanding of how dangerous Ambessa is and would have No issue with killing Vi.
Because despite the two leaving things off the way that they did, she'd really rather not have Ambessa kill her.
Vi calling Caitlyn "cupcake" doesn't snap her like "oh Vi called me my pet name, let's just betray Ambessa now!" it's more of a look of "Vi doesn't hate me?", because the way the two left things off back in Ep 3... well... yea I'm sure that's what Caitlyn's probably been thinking this whole time, and I don't blame her, what Caitlyn did Was really bad and would give reason for Vi to hate her.
Caitlyn remains in the shadows watching Rictus give orders, because again, she's been eyeing Ambessa and figuring out her moves on how she's going to get what she wants this whole time.
This is the other scene that makes me believe that Caitlyn picked up on Ambessa's tone in pt 3, her specific wording of "chem weapon." Caitlyn explains to Vi, "We've tracked some sort of new chem weapon down here. A bloodthirsty murderous beast." by using the word "chem weapon" she's fully aware that Ambessa's after it, not to hunt it, to use it. And that's the kind of thing Caitlyn doesn't want Ambessa to have her hands on, because it makes her all the more dangerous.
When Vi says, "Trying to save my dad." it causes her to realize that the "bloodthirsty murderous beast" is who Vi's talking about. That, With the growing suspicions of Ambessa is what causes her to help Vi come up with a plan. Because her trust in Vi, and wanting to Help Vi overshadows her "loyalty" to Ambessa, not that Ambessa had it to begin with.
-cont. in part 5-
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Caitlyn and Ambessa's Game of Cat and Mouse pt. 3- Dr. Reveck
First, I'm going to start off with the interrogation scene because there's something Singed says Afterwards that really stuck with me, "It's always the same look when one covets a weapon." but the thing is is that Singed never looks at Ambessa during the interrogation, he turns his head slightly at the sound of the music, but never really looks at her face. Which means that he was able to discern from her tone that she's after the beast, not wanting to hunt it.
Which makes me wonder if Caitlyn was able to pick up on that as well? Or if she was too busy losing her cool with Singed not cooperating? But there's a couple scenes in particular that make me believe that she picked up on it. Because it's pretty suspicious that Ambessa let's him out at all, but it could be written off as Ambessa having an offscreen convo saying "he'll help us track and hunt the beast" however, I don't necessarily believe that.
The first thing Ambessa says in this scene is "This will allow you to locate your beast?" and it's most likely something that Caitlyn heard before making her presence known, because although very faint you can start to hear Caitlyn's steps before reaching the two of them (Ambessa merely shifts her weight, you can hear walking steps as she does this, and they match the louder, more precise steps before Caitlyn is revealed in shot). This new information is something she most likely takes note of. In the interrogation room Ambessa mentions "tell us how to kill the beast" but NOW it's "locate the beast" that means that Ambessa's Wanting it, Ambessa has confirmed Caitlyn's suspicions that she's after powerful weapons. There's a reason that Caitlyn shows up here at all, and it's to kill Dr. Reveck, she just had to find a justifiable reason for doing so.
When Caitlyn Does makes herself known, the look in Ambessa's eyes tells us that she wasn't expecting Caitlyn to show up. And the way that they both say "Commander" and "General" to each other seem to try to make themself look as casual as possible. Because Caitlyn Herself has ulterior motives for showing up as well.
Caitlyn then goes on a whole monologue about how her family's records held mystery of "the curious dismissal of a revered academy alchemist." Which is then that she reveals that the creator of Shimmer is the said alchemist: Dr. Reveck.
Caitlyn uses this monologue as the said justifiable reason to kill him. Because if Caitlyn kills him, then Ambessa loses her lead to finding the beast. Now, watch Ambessa's face in the background when Caitlyn pulls the gun out on him. Her eyes shift between the two, she thinks Caitlyn's Actually going to kill him, which worries her because again, she will lose access to how to find the beast.
Now Reveck is the one to put the ball back in Ambessa's court by playing to Caitlyn's sympathies by showing them his daughter. Because by doing this, she doesn't find it in herself to kill him. And they get to continue to find the beast.
-cont. in part 4-
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