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obleke-yoonique-otherkin · 2 years ago

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I once had the thought while watching anthropomorphic media . . .

You simply can't make a human face evoke the same level of emotion as baring teeth or ears moving.

Now, that's not to say that live action and animated human faces can't be very expressive, and exaggeratedly so depending on style.

That's also not to say that real human faces have a subtlety to them that we've evolved to notice, that can be very arresting in that it holds our whole, undivided attention and can be of paramount importance. Nonverbal cues make up more communication than verbal, some researchers say.

(autism cry in the corner)

But. you can't get the same basal ganglion reaction as a wolf snarling, or intense curiosity of a cat swiveling its ears forward to focus, nor can you create the contrast of previous placidity, the same degree of whoa freaky as a real horse rolling its eyes back so your can suddenly see the whites.

In the cartoon realm, if a chameleon, after its eyes have been wandering the entire conversation, then converge them both on you, that signifies far more this is important, hey emphasis than a human exchange where everyone's used to keeping eye contact the whole time.

The animal kingdom simply has more hit you in the head potential for emotions than a typical human quirk of an eyebrow, or tightened grimace.

And that's ironic, given that humans are (supposedly, who knows about elephants) the most emotionally aware animals. Visually, compared to animals, we are almost detached from strong, turbulent displays. We can't puff out a tail, or raise or lower one, we can't even raise or lower our own body hair in a visually noticeable way (unless an eagle was watching you from at least 18 feet away maybe, and had the sapience to note the significance of it)

Perhaps, at some level, this actually allows us to gain distance from emotions. Perhaps, as we vaguely take note of whether someone is acting defensive or anticipatory, we are able to focus more on language, as new as it is, this abstract form of communication, on the evolutionary front. Of course this distancing ourselves, even though it may keep us from acting on every impulse that occurs to us, isn't always a good thing- repression is the pits, and not being in tune with emotions can, in other patterns, also wreak havoc with being able to have self-control of our words or behavior. I think most everyone envisions a future where we are more and more logical- but I think not only do most humans not act logically 51%+ of the time (despite assuring yourself you do) I think losing a bit of this ability to both express and read body language on each other and other species is either a culturally developed trait we should look at ameliorating, or an evolved trait we should look at ameliorating the same way we moderate our violent tendencies. (as an extreme example- probably shoulda picked something different there)

I don't know if media can help us recapture this exactly- but as media does not contain the same social pressure of reading cues correctly and consequences of failure, it may be a good testing ground, especially for ND folks. May already be that. Serving that purpose.

Maybe that's why hyperfixation happens, to parse small meanings with no stakes.

We've had entirely silent series and silent movies (and I'm talking about recently, not 'silent movies' or 'move-ies' as the derivation goes). So what happens when we fill half of a scene with silence, as someone or an anthro someone tries to read the other. What happens when anthros and humans interact, and humans comment on the difficulty of reading cats, while solitude-oriented cats think other species entirely annoying at the level of emoting they do on a regular basis. A cat character raised by a human family tries to detangle how much they simply can't read due to missing the development window and how much is instinctual. A human character raised by dogs is astounded by how much other humans miss. A human character who goes to converse and study mice and learn their language has to be incredibly mindful of any even vaguely threatening tone or behavior on their part. And meanwhile, the audience has discourse among itself . . . did that mysterious character we don't know much about mean this or that by all those different head tilts? Because none of the main cast can figure it out and it's never resolved.

Then you go back to your IRL existence and find yourself starting to pay more attention to the subtleties of your own friends and enemies.

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self-dx-culture-is · 1 year ago

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Welcome Post

This blog is inclusive of everyone who has a self-dx! All submissions should start with "Self dx/diagnosed culture is" (or a more specific version, such as "self dx autistic culture is").

I will ignore any posts asking me to diagnose them (as I'm not qualified), and I request that no one ask for help in self-diagnosis either. If I can find reliable resources, I will link them below, under the cut.

Feel free to vent, but let me now so I can tag it appropriately. If you would like, you may also request that reblogs and/or comments be turned off for that post.

Anons are welcome!

EDIT:

Since we've been getting some lately, I wanted to state that while I have nothing against sending people financial aid, that is not the purpose of this blog and we personally are uncomfortable sending money over the internet due to paranoia. If we start getting too many, we probably will start deleting them as it's somewhat stressful to even post them for others to see the request. This is not directed at anyone and is just a general statement so everyone is aware.

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robzombies-hotwife · 2 years ago

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Not "pro self-diagnosis" or "anti self-diagnosis" but a secret third thing (while there's nothing wrong with doing your own research and using it as a useful tool to find coping strategies to make your life easier, along with making you a stronger self-advocate during the diagnosis process, mental health is complicated and many conditions overlap in ways the average person cannot understand, particularly when you factor in family history/trauma/lifestyle/etc. so maybe see a psychiatrist before you diagnose yourself with a life-long neurodevelopmental disorder or other serious mental health condition and then use your incorrect self-diagnosis to spread misinformation about it)

#'i'm a minor and my parents won't let me see a psych!' this is a valid reason for self dx but you still shouldn't make it your identity #and you especially shouldn't be spreading misinformation online about it #also even actually diagnosed people shouldn't make a condition their identity #because MANY mental health conditions are temporary and can go away with short-term meds changes in life circumstances or therapy #'i don't have money for a psych!' and that's upsetting but you still shouldn't be spreading misinformation online about x diagnosis culture #or taking resources including public advocacy opportunities from people who actually have the condition #please understand that your behavior actively affects public perception of people who actually have the condition you claim to have #'that's not fair!' i never claimed it was. the medical industry is fucked up and financially inaccessible to many people.#but removing the legitimacy of a medical education is part of a larger culture of anti-intellectualism in this country #where everyone thinks opinion = expertise

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aspd-culture · 5 months ago

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Aspd culture is wondering if a diagnosis is even worth it. Like, what are the pros and what are the cons? Are there even any pros? (Anyone who sees this feel free to drop your experiences/opinions)

I hope I can give some insight on this, because I came into this question myself in a place where there were effects on one side that people generally say don't exist.

Cons: So, a lot of people in the cluster b community claim that there is no effect on your ability to be hired if you are diagnosed with ASPD because of HIPAA. This is only mostly true. If you work in certain fields, such as care fields, that require you to be cleared psychologically then you *can* be refused a job on the basis of your ASPD. For me, this is preschool. Now, how it works is not as black and white as "do you have ASPD? Okay f*ck off then". Depending on the place you live, these will change but for my area this is how it works.

The preschool (I believe this would also apply to retirement and nursing homes) can choose one of two ways to get that clearance. They have to provide you access to a work clearance doctor that can perform the clearances, but they can choose, if they want, to allow you to use your own psychiatrist if you have one. That's not required, but some places will because it saves them money, or because they understand that there is nuance to mental health that a 15 minute consult can't give them. If you use your own, they don't have to have a clearance appointment, they just want their clearance paperwork filled out by your doctor indicating if you are cleared to work in the conditions you would be working in.

In your appointment if you go to a work-clearance doctor in my state, you don't have to declare your specific disorders in this time as they aren't allowed to be given to your potential employer anyways. They just get a P/F (pass or fail) for your physical and psychological clearance, potentially with a contingency on a pass. For example, I'm willing to bet that I would be given a contingency if I were to pass with a clearance doctor that I must not discontinue any of my medication without agreement from a doctor on the matter. That makes sense. Whilst I worked in a preschool unmedicated, there is good reason they would be concerned given that my medication list includes a mood stabilizer. I know I'm capable without it, my last job knows I'm capable without it, but *they* don't know I'm capable without it, and they wouldn't want to take that risk (so very reasonable/gen).

For most jobs though, HIPAA is fully protected as there is no reasonable explanation for them needing access to any medical information from you. I don't know the full list, but I'm willing to bet anything working with a weapon would also require this kind of clearance. However, no job that I'm aware of is allowed to discriminate based on your diagnosis which is why there is paperwork explaining the work conditions and asking if you could handle them rather than about your specific mental health details.

Outside of this, you may have issues adopting children or emigrating to another country on the basis of your diagnosis without the conditions that exist for jobs. These *can* but not always *will* deny you purely on the basis of a diagnosis. But, since ASPD is relatively stigmatized, be aware that you will have a greater chance of issues than with a less stigmatized diagnosis.

Expected cons you already likely knew about but warrant repeating is increased risk of ableism both from doctors, courts (if they find out, so mostly large crimes which we don't condone the act of committing here), and people in personal relationships. It won't be everyone - probably less than you'd think but more than you'd hope - but it is almost inevitable that there will be one person you interact with regularly who will be ableist.

Pros: The biggest one here, I won't lie to you, is going to be validation/understanding of yourself and possibly by the people around you if you choose to tell them. Don't underestimate the value of knowing what is going wrong and why, ditto with the value of supportive loved ones knowing that. It makes life easier to a degree you're wouldn't expect. Having care and understanding for yourself can alleviate some flares and soften the blow when you do things you're not proud of. It's not an excuse not to improve, but it makes it easier to give yourself credit where it's due.

The next biggest is going to be treatment, and this is a major step down from the pro above because finding a provider for this is going to be a bit of an undertaking if yours isn't already good about it or if you get diagnosed by a one-time professional (unlikely for any personality disorder). But, if you can find a good one, your professional being able to understand ASPD is going to be a very big deal as far as treatment goes because there are many techniques that simply *do not work* for most people with ASPD. DBT is vastly more effective for cluster b disorders than CBT, and CBT has frustrated many pwASPD out of ever trying treatment again. It will work for some pwASPD because we are not all the same, but it's best to try other things that work better first. Diagnosis also gives a lot of information to good professionals very quickly; rather than spending several expensive sessions for them to figure out "this person has severe trauma, a very irregular and insecure attachment style, a lack of trust in others to the point of paranoia, destructive tendencies for both themselves and their interactions with others, inability to perform normally in social situations, a lack of interest/ability in close relationships, and issues with impulses that need to be addressed as soon as possible", you can get that out all in one diagnostic code and start working on it much faster. This, to me, is a big thing. Therapy takes time, yes, but it can take much less with large, complex issues already mapped out. That's more or less what diagnoses are for, as far as I'm aware; they exist to communicate information quickly without you having to waste time and stress going into detail about it.

Lastly, there are a small number of reasonable accommodations that can be given for ASPD. The main ones you could reasonably ask for are probably going to be things like less rigidity on callouts, avoiding all front-facing interaction, and preference for work positions that operate with indirect management and more freedom vs direct oversight. For these, you are going to want to work with an informed disability advocate! Employers make enough issues about well-known disorders such as anxiety and ADHD without an advocate so please get one if you need accommodations.

The pros and cons are going to be weighed differently for everyone. As someone who is already too disabled to work at the moment, I put value on getting more efficient and personalized treatment above the cons since it would make everything simpler for me to potentially get back to work through treatment vs trying to avoid diagnosis for employability's sake. And I'm mostly unbothered by both personal and medical ableism; I'm happy to say a polite version of f*ck off to personal ableists and willing to report and move on from doctors who are ableist, but it's reasonable if you don't want to do that.

If anyone can think of more for either side, please add on!/gen

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I hope I can give some insight on this, because I came into this question myself in a place where there were effects on one side that people generally say don't exist.

Cons: So, a lot of people in the cluster b community claim that there is no effect on your ability to be hired if you are diagnosed with ASPD because of HIPAA. This is only mostly true. If you work in certain fields, such as care fields, that require you to be cleared psychologically then you can be refused a job on the basis of your ASPD. For me, this is preschool. Now, how it works is not as black and white as "do you have ASPD? Okay f*ck off then". Depending on the place you live, these will change but for my area this is how it works.

In your appointment if you go to a work-clearance doctor in my state, you don't have to declare your specific disorders in this time as they aren't allowed to be given to your potential employer anyways. They just get a P/F (pass or fail) for your physical and psychological clearance, potentially with a contingency on a pass. For example, I'm willing to bet that I would be given a contingency if I were to pass with a clearance doctor that I must not discontinue any of my medication without agreement from a doctor on the matter. That makes sense. Whilst I worked in a preschool unmedicated, there is good reason they would be concerned given that my medication list includes a mood stabilizer. I know I'm capable without it, my last job knows I'm capable without it, but they don't know I'm capable without it, and they wouldn't want to take that risk (so very reasonable/gen).

Outside of this, you may have issues adopting children or emigrating to another country on the basis of your diagnosis without the conditions that exist for jobs. These can but not always will deny you purely on the basis of a diagnosis. But, since ASPD is relatively stigmatized, be aware that you will have a greater chance of issues than with a less stigmatized diagnosis.

The next biggest is going to be treatment, and this is a major step down from the pro above because finding a provider for this is going to be a bit of an undertaking if yours isn't already good about it or if you get diagnosed by a one-time professional (unlikely for any personality disorder). But, if you can find a good one, your professional being able to understand ASPD is going to be a very big deal as far as treatment goes because there are many techniques that simply do not work for most people with ASPD. DBT is vastly more effective for cluster b disorders than CBT, and CBT has frustrated many pwASPD out of ever trying treatment again. It will work for some pwASPD because we are not all the same, but it's best to try other things that work better first. Diagnosis also gives a lot of information to good professionals very quickly; rather than spending several expensive sessions for them to figure out "this person has severe trauma, a very irregular and insecure attachment style, a lack of trust in others to the point of paranoia, destructive tendencies for both themselves and their interactions with others, inability to perform normally in social situations, a lack of interest/ability in close relationships, and issues with impulses that need to be addressed as soon as possible", you can get that out all in one diagnostic code and start working on it much faster. This, to me, is a big thing. Therapy takes time, yes, but it can take much less with large, complex issues already mapped out. That's more or less what diagnoses are for, as far as I'm aware; they exist to communicate information quickly without you having to waste time and stress going into detail about it.

If anyone can think of more for either side, please add on!/gen

#aspd-culture-is #aspd culture is #aspd culture #actually aspd #aspd #aspd awareness #actually antisocial #antisocial personality disorder #aspd traits #diagnosis #self diagnosis is valid #self dx is valid #pro self dx #disability accommodations #anons welcome

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higheverweave · 2 years ago

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Also like seriously consider if Diagnosis is safe or right for you Diagnosed between 4-5 years old Self Dx is valid and most folks who are Dxed legit dont have anything against self dx for the above reason But Bigger issue Why is Diagnosis required to access autistic social spaces?? ^^^^ Thats the real question. Like grew up autistic have no problem with you folks joining us. (So long as you don’t like use your privilege to speak over issues that are specific to diagnosis (legal shit like not being able to marry due to insurance,mental competency tests etc. (Also no you cant be like yep Im going to reclaim the RwordNo Nope No even folks who are diagnosed shouldn’t use that word as like our elders who are still alive who survived Asylums and Being called the Rword to force sterilization which is still very much happening.)

But I will Say this as well Consider being diagnosed Carefully as Diagnosis comes with a different Ball game of Legal oppression. (Not to shame. Just to let you know what most folks don’t beforehand If any of us has a choice to be and live without barriers …. None of us are going to judge you for being like I am autistic but I recognize official Dx would add stigma I don’t deserve.) We genuinely want you all to live your best lives.

•If you are diagnosed with a disability under the age of 22 Insurance dictates wether or not you will be allowed to marry.

•People if they know you are Asd or disabled will use that as a weapon to invalidate things you know and celebrate about your own identity… (Many Autistics are Lgbtq+ and or Trans people use Asd to be like “well they cant actually know they are _____ .”)

•Forced poverty is very real. If you choose not to dx thats ok! Barriers are real and we get if you weigh the options and decide against it

If you are self diagnosed there are things its 200% chill to advocate on Things

Like sensory overload

Medical comorbidities

But Autistic culture is starting to get a reputation of canceling people too

Which Autism Parents for example

Many Autism Parents are also Autistic alot of the harm they do is thier own internalized Abelism and oppression fighting isnt always the best way to help them understand themselves and their autistic family members better.

Also alot of folks who are the most anti autistic can be folks with internalized abelism. Its super real.

Sometimes not being diagnosed is a privilege to to forced or unconsentual ABA done without parent or individual permission.

But also like If you want to advocate come to some autistic social spaces or start some.

Theres exposure that is hard to get without a diagnosis (So there are some informal groups and ways of getting exposure. And most of us love You all!

Genuinely we are excited to have you join us we are excited to share and guide you. We know late dx and self dx happens and in diagnosed spaces a lot of us are super cool swapping tips.

Just know that IDD can make some accessibility hard for folks. So you have to be patient even with social issues as a-lot of you all have an access to privilege you don’t realize you have in terms of educational material being accessible.

Lastly

If you do get diagnosed

We are anti Eugenics so not pro like Intelligence shaming, non-speakers exist I for one alternate I can only speak sometimes…. When i cant speak it hurts too…

Lastly Anti Eugenics means dont make fun of IDD and Engage in Intellectual ellitism

However this doesn’t mean don’t check your assigned intelligence score as there is different barriers if you are 2E as well and ways you can use that privilege to make things more accessible for everyone. Including translating into comfortable language for folks with IDD who need that.

Part of the beauty of the spectrum is we fill in one another’s blanks we help lift one another up.

But note also if you go for an asd test and end up with something similar but not the same you are still Neurodivergent.

Neurodivergent is a large community but some common neurodiversity’s that are not discussed as often (At least positively.)

Are Schizophrenia. (Which also are kin to Autistic folks we survive together. Even if its not the same we can still support one another.)

Personality disorders aren’t Autism but are Neurodiverse and stigmatized and deserve love and respect as well.

Borderline personality, Narcissistic personality,

Etc.

If you don’t end up As autistic it doesn’t mean you aren’t a part of our community (Neurodiverse.)

also know like (Autism groups centers etc advocates in there are not against having you join us for hangout sessions or social group activities. Its ok to ask a diagnosed friend how to learn more or join our spaces if you aren’t dxed!

Also some of you might be able to help us fight ABA in medical spaces as we aren’t listened to directly as a lot of places get funded for that shit….

Thats all sorry its long love you all keep advocating just know you aren’t imposters and can advocate on things you experience like sensory and comorbidities just engage with other autistics about more complex/nuanced issues.

Also Please if you are self DX late DX the reputation we are getting for Cancel culture (And not like canceling people who did stuff thats unforgivable. But if someone doesn’t know or have privilege to access information please please don’t harp on folks who are learning. As that is not restorative justice.)

Restorative justice being how we deal with issues in disabled autistic spaces. Just because there are conflicting respect needs and social, emotional ,educational access needs.

Tone is not mad just infodump

Genuinely like talking to yall about asd (Have a ton of cool ND cultural research I’m doing that im trying to figure out how to share without being seen as elitist… when the goal is to use privilege to dismantle privilege especially eugenic. Thinking about talking about twice exceptionality more and what growing up 2E-Asd is like in disabled spaces and why Disability Autism is my main identity not Eugenic assignments.)

Lmk if any of this is helpful or something y’all have an interest in. 😎🖤

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