#season 3 theories

[livhowlett]

So, there's that theory that SOMETHING happened in 1941. Something that caused Crowley and Aziraphale to be awkward to each other in the 60s and make Aziraphale say:

What if in 1941, when they're in the bookshop after The Bullet Catch and after their little talk we seen in S2, Crowley asks Aziraphale to run away with him to Alpha Centauri for the first time????

Crowley may of suggest they run away together so they don't have another close call. Next time someone more competent than Furfur may show up or someone from Heaven might catch them.

At this point in their story, Aziraphale would not be down to run away and abandoned The Bookshop and his Angelic duties. They'd probably end up fighting and Crowley would storm off and then they'd barley talk.

Hence, why they're so awkward in the Holy Water hand off

It also explains Aziraphale's reaction to the other times Crowley asks to run away together.

In S1, at the band stand, Crowley mentions going off together. To me Aziraphale's first reaction always seemed weird to me, but not if he's heard this before.

It could also explain why Crowley was so quick to apologize to Aziraphale after the fight. Last time this happened they didn't talk for years and being on a tight deadline, Crowley apologize immediately to get Aziraphale to run away

And in S2, when Crowley brings up Alpha Centauri, I think Aziraphale probably would consider going off together at that point.

Because, being asked to 'go off together' by the demon you JUST realized you're in love with, would be to fast for Aziraphale. It's why when they talk in the 60s, Aziraphale suggests:

Aziraphale is literally saying "Maybe take me to dinner first before asking me to run away with you" !!!!

And they were probably "dating" after S1, so Aziraphale would be more willing to accept Crowley's offer at tge end of S2 if The Metaron hadn't offered him the Archangel position. Hell, Aziraphale kinda flips the script and asks Crowley to go off with him, but to Heaven.

I'm pretty sure we'll get another 1941 flashback in S3 and I hope I'm right. Thoughts???

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I'M 99% SURE THIS ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN BUT...What if that mirror teaser is a play on what could go down during a lesson? They look like married polin and I'm positive the iconic mirror scene will occur once they're wedded, but maybe the promo is subtly a double meaning that only the cast/crew involved would know to the fact that mirrors show up more than once in a significant way. Imagine Colin is showing her something and as the classic romance trope does: touch is involved where he has to stand behind her in a mirror just like that and each of them is getting all asdfghgjkl 😳 at what seemed to be stupidly an innocent teaching and learning method.

[giantmushyfriend]

Discussing Crowley's S3 (potential) relationships

As soon as season 3 got confirmed, or even since Neil told us that one way or another he would tell its story, we as a community have wondered about how Crowley will interact with the different characters as he and Aziraphale attempt to once again prevent the end of the world, and finally resolve the barricade that has stopped them from actually talking to each other, which will allow them to eventually be what they are meant to be: together. While we know that Aziraphale and Crowley will end up together in a cottage in the South Downs, presumably in a garden, we don't know how we are going to get there. All we know of season three yet, especially since scripts are still being written as per Neil's Tumblr, is that Aziraphale and Crowley are currently not talking, that they will save the world and end up together. That's it, and that's all we're going to know for a very long time since these shows take a very long time to produce to the level of quality that we've come to expect from Neil and the team. That being said, we know that major character growth is going to happen for both of our protagonists. For Aziraphale, it seems safe to assume that he's going to learn how to be more independent and overcome his issues with his faith, which is currently centered in the institution of Heaven. Aziraphale's growth is going to be within his predetermined beliefs of what things should be vs what things actually are. Heaven should be inherently good, but it's not. Aziraphale should have no issues with the plans Heaven and Hell have concocted, but he does. That's what we can assume will push Aziraphale's story and character within the last season, and it's assumably going to be by himself. There aren't a lot of people who are going to be around him to help him in his journey outside of Muriel and eventually Crowley as they rebuild their relationship. Crowley, on the other hand, looks like his story will be primarily based on him building relationships with others and moving past his trauma. This seemingly will be through Muriel, Nina, Maggie, and then eventually Aziraphale. To best understand how these potential relationships, their growths, and even their conflicts will help Crowley grow as a character, it's best to look at them one at a time.

Let's start with Nina, the character that, on the surface level, mirrors Crowley. Nina and Crowley are parallels in terms of their personality. It's straightforward to compare the two of them and how they carry themselves. Both are protective and strong-minded and despite being tough on the outside, they have a lot of unresolved issues. It wouldn't be hard to believe that Crowley sees aspects of himself in Nina and vice versa. However, when we dig deeper, we see that Nina more or less mirrors Aziraphale in terms of her relationship with her abusive ex-partner. Like Aziraphale, Nina made excuses for how her ex-partner was treating her, often being manipulated into thinking she was the problem in the relationship. Nina knows what Aziraphale is going through and also knows how to put it in terms that Crowley will understand. It wouldn't be surprising sometime next season to see Nina talk about her experiences in her past relationship in a way that helps Crowley understand not only her past but also Aziraphale's. One of the largest roadblocks within Crowley and Aziraphale's relationship is that Crowley doesn't understand the relationship that Aziraphale has with Heaven because it's so different from his own. Crowley, since his fall, knows that Heaven is toxic. They can punish those who don't deserve it, and they, as an institution, cause a lot of harm. He knows that, has witnessed it firsthand, and has recognized the systematic issues that are constructed within the framework. In modern terms, Crowley has seemingly deconstructed, despite the fact that he still holds faith in God. This is a large gap from where Aziraphale is in terms of his journey and relationship with these institutions, something that Crowley has a hard time comprehending. He doesn't understand what Aziraphale's relationship with Heaven is really like and thus doesn't see Aziraphale's actions through the lens of someone in a toxic relationship. Rather, based on his prior experiences, he believes that Aziraphale could never love him or choose him because he's a demon; he's fallen. To Crowley, Aziraphale rejected him for the same reasons why God and Heaven rejected him: he wasn't good enough. Nina's storyline matches well to help Crowley understand where Aziraphale is coming from and why he has acted the way he has, and it helps him make sense of their situation. I believe that Nina will help be the person who gets Crowley to a place where he can help navigate working with Aziraphale to save the world through a close-knit friendship that we've already seen the fandom begin to speculate about.

Another interesting dynamic I'm excited to see develop next season is Crowley and Maggie. Like Nina, Maggie, at first glance, appears to fulfill the role of Aziraphale's parallel as the kinder, more cheerful member of the duo. However, as many others have pointed out, she's a better parallel for Crowley in terms of her role in the plot. Maggie is deeply in love with Nina. Unlike her past partner, she cares for her profoundly and respects her. With Nina and Maggie, it's a partnership, not a hierarchy. And like Crowley, she waits as long as necessary until the person she loves is ready to begin that relationship. Unlike Nina, I don't necessarily think that Crowley and Maggie are going to be the best of friends. Maggie has a lot of traits that Crowley will probably see Aziraphale in, such as her kindness, her affection for specific things like records or books, and the odd quirks that she's expressed throughout the second season. Those aspects of Maggie will both be comforting to Crowley since they reflect traits his own best friend had/has, but they'll also be reminders of Aziraphale. The two won't be attached to the hip, but they'll have this mutual understanding. Through Maggie and her relationship with Nina, which may be established by the time season three starts, Crowley might see glimpses of what he and Aziraphale could have if they worked out their differences.

That being said, there could be room for conflict and resolution within their friendship. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw, at least once, Maggie trying to talk to Crowley about Aziraphale and him pushing her away, saying she knows nothing about them or him. It wouldn't be unlikely to see him make some snarky remark about how he got abandoned the last time he followed her advice and tried talking. And it wouldn't be unlikely for this to lead to either Maggie or Nina confronting Crowley about how he reacts to things, inherently pushing people away out of anger rather than communicating, and how that probably drove Aziraphale away- most likely in the heat of the argument. While this may hurt Crowley at the moment, it could act as a springboard for some self-reflection needed for his growth and to complete his arch.

Muriel is also another character who may, and most certainly will, have a complex relationship with Crowley. I've heard a lot of people discuss these points, so they won't be new, but Crowley will be initially hostile towards the young angel before eventually warming up to them. Muriel will initially stand as a reminder of what happened between Aziraphale and Crowley. Crowley will look at Muriel, at them running Aziraphale's bookshop, and be instantly reminded of why Aziraphale isn't there. At least initially, their mere existence will be a reminder of Aziraphale's absence, and he will be furious at them for it. He will most likely use them to grieve the relationship that he lost, the one that got away. But I think there will be a couple of ways that Muriel helps Crowley along his journey. Firstly, in combination with Nina, Muriel will help Crowley understand where Aziraphale was coming from, even if his actions were misdirected. I think they will do this by displaying their newfound love and admiration for the world around them. As many have pointed out when discussing this potential plot point, this is Muriel's first time on Earth, and they are mesmerized by everything they see. They will be amazed by everything around them, even the ugly parts, and probably filled with questions about how the world works. This will resonate with Crowley, perhaps showing him aspects of who he used to be and helping him remember what this has all been for in the first place. Muriel will help him remember why he and Azirapahle saved the world in the first place and potentially give him the drive to save it again. Initially, like Nina and Maggie, I think Muriel will push Crowley and Aziraphale back together. Muriel is the only connecting point between Aziraphale and Crowley at this point, primarily because of their new role as the bookshop keeper. Through their role as this bridge for the two of them, Muriel will get them to reflect on what they love about the world and their love for each other. I would bet that Muriel, at least once, asks Crowley about his feelings for Aziraphale or points it out like Nina did, and I think that will cause Crowley to spiral into readmitting to himself that he did love Aziraphale that he still does, even if he's angry at him.

Lastly, Aziraphale. We already know that the beginning of their reconciliation is going to be a literal shit show. I am still determining how or when these two will find their way back to each other, which is primarily why this section is so short, but I have a hunch that it will be a slow-burn-ish subplot throughout the season. They're both probably going to be angry at each other at the beginning, but then put aside their differences to save the world. No matter what, through the help of the other characters and their respective relationships with them, the two will slowly find their way back to each other. I think it's going to be a season full of them essentially talking to each other in the ways that couples in couples therapy talk to each other, but I also think it's going to be a season of them falling in love with each other and learning how to express that love within their new dynamic. I think after years apart, under these new circumstances, they will be reminded of what they love about each other and the place of salvation their relationship has been for them. They will fall back into their banter, bickering, and longing glances, but they will get it together at the end of it all.

[dead-tree-tattoo-artist]

It all starts, as it will end, with a garden

Neil has never promised a happy ending, even though we have asked and baited and guilt-tripped him for it, saying “Terry would want a happy ending”

I just had a horrible thought that “it starts, as it will end, with a garden” will mean season three ends with Crowley and Aziraphale buried together in a garden

It would be beautiful, but I want a happy ending, and I want them to spend eternity together, alive

[havemyheartaziraphale]

"you know how God likes sevens"

Yes, yes we do.

7 days in the week

7 colours in a rainbow

7 Classica Planets (celestial bodies able to be seen from space with the naked eye (Sun, moon, mercury, venus, mars,jupiter,saturn)

7 days of Creation

7 Seals to be opened before the Second Coming (see:Revelations)

The opposite sides of a dice adds up to 7, and we all know She likes playing games

Wanna know what else is interesting about the number 7?

There's a Prince song (or, TAFKAP) called "7". Go and look at the lyrics. Definitely fitting for our two love angels/ angels in love.

The whole song is religion-coded.

But I also like the fact that Prince's Love Symbol #2 also reminds me of the Good Omens logo.

Wanna know one last thing?

There's also a psychology paper about memory titled The Magical Number Seven, Plus or Minus Two: Some Limits on Our Capacity for Processing Information (link to the wiki page)

So yeah. If they don't use this song in S3 I will throw a fit

[asherisawkward]

Before For the Future came out, while people were wondering whether Luz would sacrifice herself in final episode or not, I had a theory that Luz would convince Belos to sacrifice himself. Luz and Belos have many similarities and many differences, and one of the differences is that Luz is ready to sacrifice herself, and Belos is ready to sacrifice others.

And I thought that in the final episode they would switch places. Luz could take advantage of Philip's belief that he is doing a good deed. When the Collector got tired of the Boiling Isles, he would definitely want to have fun with the billions of humans on Earth. And one Collector is worse than all the witches.

To save the souls of billions of humans, Belos would need to defeat the Collector. He would jump into the Titan's vein, spread through it and consume the Boiling Isles. He himself would become a Titan. He would destroy everything that the witches built, he would destroy everything that grew on the Islands, he would destroy everything and everyone who could not escape.

I thought we were going to have an epic battle between the Titan Belos and the Collector, during which a remix of the opening would play. And after a few minutes of battle, Belos would have sealed the Collector in the In Between Realm at the cost of his life. This could be remembered as a heroic act, Luz and her friends could lie to everyone that Belos was actually a good guy controlled by the Collector.

And the gigantic body of Belos would become the new Boiling Isles, which would be full of resources like palistrom or Titan's blood.

What do you think about this old theory?

That’s really compelling theory!!!! I would have absolutely been there to see Luz manipulating Philip into saving the BI through weaponizing his care for humanity. It would have also been a slightly easier transition for the Boiling Isles, as they wouldn’t have to immediately realize that the man they idolized as a prophet was a genocidal witch hunter whose whole goal was their destruction.

(Still, they should have eventually been made aware of Philip’s actions eventually. It’s wrong for them to eternally idolize someone who only meant them harm.)

[cat-clawz]

Hey uh, now that I think of it, we never did get that "they're both sitting on the rooftop surrounded by love and hearts" bit that we were all going crazy about when the intro first dropped... and Neil did say that there are clues to season 3 in the season 2 intro... just sayin'.

[stupidthingsgoodoutcomes]

i NEED cleo to assume kie and jj are dating. like it’s so easy to assume they’re together and the awkwardness would just be hilarious

YO THIS IS ALMOST CERTAINLY GOING TO HAPPEN

Cleo has only seen them in the context of the Coastal Venture. She knows Kie jumped in after JJ and saved his life. She sees the way he looks at her. Maybe she doesn’t assume they’re together but either way that girl is 100% aware that they are in love

[strongwomenunited]

Theories for Warrior Nun Season 3 start point. Will it be before the after credit scene after Beatrice is sitting in front of the arq, or will it be post after credit scene? When do you guys think.

Lilith mentioned a ‘Holy War’ so would Beatrice leave the church before or after the Holy War? It was confirmed that Beatrice was going off to be with Ava in the after credit scene so.. at what point is that?

I think it could go one of two ways. One, it’s before and we get to see Ava on the other side fighting her way back, or two, it’s after and we get to see Ava and Beatrice together, but Ava going through the memories of the other side.

What do you guys think? What are your theories?

[comicgeekery]

Of course Aziraphale's approach was still flawed: assuming Crowley would want to be an angel again, falling back on his old good guys/bad guys rhetoric. But I think this post makes a lot of excellent points. "But then Crowley tells him that going to Heaven is stupid. That they don’t need Heaven. And he’s right. Aziraphale knows he’s right.

Aziraphale doesn’t need Heaven; Heaven needs him. They just don’t know how much they need him, or how much humanity needs him there, too. (If everyone who ran for office was corrupt, how can the system change?)"

This feels a LOT like the first fight Aziraphale and Crowley had about Jim. "Gabriel doesn't have any friends" -> "Exactly!" To Crowley, the "exactly" emphasizes that Gabriel doesn't have friends because he's awful and so he and Aziraphale should follow the general consensus and stay away. But Aziraphale's most basic nature is to help others. Gabriel is helpless. Gabriel doesn't have friends. Gabriel needs them. We know that season 3 will at least start with Aziraphale and Crowley not speaking. I wonder just how much they will have worked out about each other's motivations in the meantime. We know Crowley once stayed away for nearly 100 years, but maybe that wasn't because he was angry, or even heartbroken. Maybe it was just the only thing that he felt would keep them safe at the time.

I'm sure they'll both still be hurt at the start of season 3, but it would be beautiful if when they reconciled they already understood so much of what went wrong.

Aziraphale’s Choice, the Job Connection, and Michael Sheen’s Morality

I’ve had time to process Aziraphale’s choice at the end of Season 2. And I think only blaming the religious trauma misses something important in Aziraphale’s character. I think what happened was also Aziraphale’s own conscious choice––as a growth from his trauma, in fact. Hear me out.

Since November 2022 I’ve been haunted by something Michael Sheen said at the MCM London Comic Con. At the Q&A, someone asked him about which fantasy creature he enjoyed playing most and Michael (bless him, truly) veered on a tangent about angels and goodness and how, specifically,

We as a society tend to sort of undervalue goodness. It’s sort of seen as sort of somehow weak and a bit nimby and “oh it’s nice.” And I think to be good takes enormous reserves of courage and stamina. I mean, you have to look the dark in the face to be truly good and to be truly of the light…. The idea that goodness is somehow lesser and less interesting and not as kind of muscular and as passionate and as fierce as evil somehow and darkness, I think is nonsense. The idea of being able to portray an angel, a being of love. I love seeing the things people have put online about angels being ferocious creatures, and I love that. I think that’s a really good representation of what goodness can be, what it should be, I suppose.

I was looking forward to BAMF!Aziraphale all season long, and I think that’s what we got in the end. Remember Neil said that the Job minisode was important for Aziraphale’s story. Remember how Aziraphale sat on that rock and reconciled to himself that he MUST go to Hell, because he lied and thwarted the will of God. He believed that––truly, honestly, with the faith of a child, but the bravery of a soldier.

Aziraphale, a being of love with more goodness than all of Heaven combined, believed he needed to walk through the Gates of Hell because it was the Right Thing to do. (Like Job, he didn’t understand his sin but believed he needed to sacrifice his happiness to do the Right Thing.)

That’s why we saw Aziraphale as a soldier this season: the bookshop battle, the halo. But yes, the ending as well.

Because Aziraphale never wanted to go to Heaven, and he never wanted to go there without Crowley.

But it was Crowley who taught him that he could, even SHOULD, act when his moral heart told him something was wrong. While Crowley was willing to run away and let the world burn, it was Aziraphale (in that bandstand at the end of the world) who stood his ground and said No. We can make a difference. We can save everyone.

And Aziraphale knew he could not give up the ace up his sleeve (his position as an angel) to talk to God and make them see the truth in his heart.

I was messed up by Ineffable Bureaucracy (Boxfly) getting their happy ending when our Ineffable Husbands didn’t, but I see now that them running away served to prove something to Aziraphale. (And I am fully convinced that Gabriel and Beelzebub saw the example of the Ineffables at the Not-pocalypse and took inspiration from them for choosing to ditch their respective sides)

But my point is that Aziraphale saw them, and in some ways, they looked like him and Crowley. And he saw how Gabriel, the biggest bully in Heaven, was also like him in a way (a being capable of love) and also just a child when he wasn’t influenced by the poison of Heaven. Muriel, too, wasn’t a bad person. The Metatron also seemed to have grown more flexible with his morality (from Aziraphale's perspective). Like Earth, Heaven was shades of (light?) gray.

Aziraphale is too good an angel not to believe in hope. Or forgiveness (something he’s very good at it).

Aziraphale has been scarred by Heaven all his life. But with the cracks in Heaven’s armor (cracks he and Crowley helped create), Aziraphale is seeing something else. A chance to change them. They did terrible things to him, but he is better than them, and because of Crowley, he feels ready to face them.

(Will it work? Can Heaven change, institutionally? Probably not, but I can't blame Aziraphale for trying.)

At the cafe, the Metatron said something big was coming in the Great Plan. Aziraphale knows how trapped he had felt when he didn’t have God’s ear the first time something huge happened in the Big Plan. He can’t take a chance again to risk the world by not having a foot in the door of Heaven. That’s why we saw individual human deaths (or the threat of death) so much more this season: Elspeth, Wee Morag, Job’s children, the 1940s magician. Aziraphale almost killed a child when he couldn’t get through to God, and he’s not going through that again.

“We could make a difference.” We could save everyone.

Remember what Michael Sheen said about courage and doing good––and having to “look the dark in the face to be truly good.” That’s what happened when Aziraphale was willing to go to Hell for his actions. That’s what happened when he decided he had to go to Heaven, where he had been abused and belittled and made to feel small. He decided to willingly go into the Lion’s Den, to face his abusers and his anxiety, to make them better so that they would not try to destroy the world again.

Him, just one angel. He needed Crowley to be there with him, to help him be brave, to ask the questions that Heaven needed to hear, to tell them God was wrong. Crowley is the inspiration that drives Aziraphale’s change, Crowley is the engine that fuels Aziraphale’s courage.

But then Crowley tells him that going to Heaven is stupid. That they don’t need Heaven. And he’s right. Aziraphale knows he’s right.

Aziraphale doesn’t need Heaven; Heaven needs him. They just don’t know how much they need him, or how much humanity needs him there, too. (If everyone who ran for office was corrupt, how can the system change?)

Terry Pratchett (in the Discworld book, Small Gods) is scathing of God, organized religion, and the corrupt people religion empowers, but he is sympathetic to the individual who has real, pure faith and a good heart. In fact, the everyman protagonist of Small Gods is a better person than the god he serves, and in the end, he ends up changing the church to be better, more open-minded, and more humanist than god could ever do alone.

Aziraphale is willing to go to the darkest places to do the Right Thing, and Heaven is no exception. When Crowley says that Heaven is toxic, that’s exactly why Aziraphale knows he needs to go there. “You’re exactly is different from my exactly.”

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In the aftermath of Trump's election in the US, Brexit happened in 2018. Michael Sheen felt compelled to figure out what was going on in his country after this shock. But he was living in Los Angeles with Sarah Silverman at the time, and she also wanted to become more politically active in the US.

Sheen: “I felt a responsibility to do something, but it [meant] coming back [to Britain] – which was difficult for us, because we were very important to each other. But we both acknowledge that each of us had to do what we needed to do.” In the end, they split up and Michael moved back to the UK.

Sometimes doing the Right Thing means sacrificing your own happiness. Sometimes it means going to Hell. Sometimes it means going to Heaven. Sometimes it means losing a relationship.

And that’s why what happened in the end was so difficult for Aziraphale. Because he loves Crowley desperately. He wants to be together. He wanted that kiss for thousands of years. He knows that taking command of Heaven means they would never again have to bow to the demands of a God they couldn’t understand, or run from a Hell who still came after them. They could change the rules of the game.

And he’s still going to do that. But it hurts him that he has to do that alone.

[pensbridge]

I just had a thought that, from the article when they highlight Francesca's struggle in the ton...that what if that's how they segue into Pen making waves in the ballroom.

The season starts out with the diamond (Francesca), who everyone expects & Penelope, in all her awkward and meek glory has a hard time at first (this we know), only to subverge all expectations when she actually pulls potential suitors.

Meanwhile, Francesca has a difficult time, because she can not talk in groups (Pen can't either, but watch her use her Lady Whistledown voice and gain the interest of many with that confidence). Somewhere along the way, she meets John.

And thus we have the parallel of our heroine to our Bridgerton debutante: finding love right where you feel most comfortable and having your person who you can just enjoy on the sidelines with when you need to.

[pheracy]

Jinx's traces of make up after she has cried looks like Vi's face tattoo but backwards and they both have it in their left cheek.

Besides, her final look and outfit resembles her sister's in S1 and S2. The bandages covering her chest and the new hairstyle with the shaved undercut on the same side is also similar to Vi's.

After all it seems like Vi and Powder cannot coexist in the same timeline or dimension. When Powder lives, Violet doesn't. When Vi lives, Jinx decides not to. "Always with you, sis".

The parallels, the attention to detail and the design for each character in Arcane is insane. I can't believe this amazing series is over. I'm gonna miss these sisters like they were my relatives.

[omar-rudeberg]

ok but the way they've been on again off again for three seasons specifically shrouded in the colours of the swedish flag - showing us the monarchy has intruded on their relationship. even the good, even the private, and always, always the bad and the ugly.

💙💛

makes this white flag moment of surrender even more powerful. they're stripped of this blue and gold brushed over them by society, colourless and allowed to create their own existence - together, a blank slate. themselves, again and only - forever.

🤍🤍

[comicgeekery]

Can you IMAGINE how scary it would be to find out that the Metatron can do a time stop too? Like, he's the only one we've seen that I think would be both powerful enough and smart enough to be able to do it. (I'm assuming that stopping time requires a lot of power and a mind capable of some very creative thinking.)

I don't think there's any evidence for it, but if the Metatron ever stopped time to threaten Aziraphale, I would absolutely lose it. Perfect reason for Aziraphale to make any number of desperate decisions.

Can all demons stop time or is it a Crowley thing?

I don't know. Crowley's the only one I've seen do it so far.

[stupidthingsgoodoutcomes]

jj finding out abt kie jumping in and almost drowning to save him so hes like 'save urself next time' and kiara's like ' you idiot??? that is the stupidest thing ive ever heard, u think id let u die???'

I’ve seen variations on this idea in a bunch of fics and I really do believe it could happen.

Mostly because JJ is going to be so astounded and confused when he finds out Kie saved him. He doesn’t see himself as being worth anything - if you asked him, he would tell you without a doubt that he’s the least useful member of the pogues, the best one to sacrifice.

He doesn’t believe he has anything to offer because he’s been told for his whole life that he doesn’t. He would hate the idea that Kiara had endangered her life, which he sees as so much more valuable than his own, and he’d be confused about why she would do that for him. He doesn’t know how to accept that someone could want to save him.

That’s part of the beauty of jiara - we get to finally see JJ learn that he deserves to be loved. That love doesn’t have to be earned, but if it did, he would have earned it already. That he can be loved unconditionally, even if he’s not providing anything in return. That love isn’t a transaction.

I really can’t wait to see how JJ changes and how he embraces that over the course of the final two seasons.

[luxtoony]

Bigger brother instincts

I think this could be taking place a few years after the movie, giving Donnie the chance to learn more about nimpo and mystic powers...

And play with it 🙂

Also don't ask me what happened to Mikey guys, this is open to interpretation. I ain't gonna hurt my skittle boy on screen (this time lmao)😇