#reality vs fiction

[rey-jake-therapist]

The thing that puzzles me is this (over)-emotional attachment to fictional characters that certain stans don't realize. Oh, I'm being called out for supporting an abusive ship because I like to see more of her dynamic with Sauron? Um, ok? People talk like she's a real character, which I get it, she's portrayed by a great actress and she is relatable but still, at the end of the day, Galadriel (and all the characters) are not real. Sorry not sorry but that's a cold, hard truth. And that's why I feel no guilt or remorse for exploring her relationship with characters like Sauron and Adar. Because I like using them as tools for creativity and self-expression through exploration of dark themes that you can't do with 'fluffy' happily-ever-after canon ships. At the end of the day, these characters exist FOR ME, and I can do with them as I like, which means exploring the sides of them that Tolkien never went into detail with. And one of the many reasons why I like dark ships like Haladriel and Adariel is I like seeing drama between two characters that have so much in common, but can't be together. They are not real people, I don't have to worry about them being depressed and hating their life by putting them in situations as if it was real life. That's what all of those antis don't have the self-awareness to accept, sadly. Their main argument is we are horrible people because we like to put her in a relationship with someone who mistreats her, while they are 'good' because they want her to be 'happy' with a partner who loves her. Rereading that, you'd think I was talking about someone's sister. Which is why I say that there is this problem with getting so attached to a fictional character that you can't distinguish them from being real vs fake.

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[airasora]

Reality versus fiction!

[ohhhmio]

chapter 58.

i love the mystery between real and fiction in this manhwa. because the world of fiction have merged, the question whether characters are real people, and if real people are characters continuously pop up. i thought I've figured out the answers to that, but now that a real person became a character, I'm at a hault.

[nancylou444]

Supporting wincest is literally disgusting. I mean, would you want someone shipping you and your siblings?? People like you make the fandom look crazy, and people like you ARE DEPICTED IN THE DAMN SHOW! I hope your family is proud that their kid likes incest.

Oh look it's an original idiot in my askbox.

Supporting wincest is literally disgusting. So is 'supporting' destiel, which is worse, since it involves an angel in a hijacked body. JIMMY didn't give his consent for his body to be used for SEX WITH A MAN.

Or ANYBODY for that matter.

I mean, would you want someone shipping you and your siblings?? Why would anybody do that? Nobody 'ships' real people in the real world, fool.

People like you make the fandom look crazy, and people like you ARE DEPICTED IN THE DAMN SHOW! Nope, sorry. When people look at the fandom as a whole, it's the HELLERS that are seen as batshit embarrassing.

(x)

And as for our 'depiction' in the show, it's better then getting this look from Jensen Dean:

I hope your family is proud that their kid likes incest. I'm far from being a 'kid', jackass. And 'shipping' should stay in fandom, so why would my family even care or know about it?

Now run along, don't you have new toys to play with, or did you get coal in your stocking again?

[technicallywrite]

Wherein, I discovered that Kate’s lunch spot bench is in fact facing the other way, and it’s zip-tied to the fence (too many people trying to recreate the scene?).

Was really happy to replicate the view though, and I had fun walking around imagining various scenes.

Most of the ravens were in an enclosure (because of avian flu apparently) but there was one hopping around free, I guess that was one of the robotic ones.

[suicidalgamergirl]

Thank you, you unprofessional hack cunt. This is why I fear going to see Neil Newbon in person because my aniexty/paranoia of admiring a fictional vampire is considered bad.

Yes, I have a fiancé, he knows I been assaulted as a tween, and so making me like relationships that are fictional, helps me express my feelings to real people too.

Goddamn.

-V

[psychronia]

Just to throw my take out there, I firmly believe in fiction's right to portray and explore bad things or bad people. But also, the main problem is when people start treating real people like they do fictional people.

And the funny thing is, you could see the reason they do this from either angle.

If they see characters as objects, then their problem is that they start getting comfortable seeing real people as objects as well. They lack the empathy to see real people as living, breathing, feeling beings. After all, it's okay when they do it to "other objects". They can't tell fiction from reality.

If they instead see characters as people instead of objects, then their problem is that they internalize things that happen to fictional characters as something that's acceptable to do with real people. They lack the empathy to believe living, breathing, feeling beings inherently deserve respect. After all, it's already happening to "people". They can't tell reality from fiction.

I really think everyone needs to truly internalize this:

Fictional characters are objects.

They are not people. You cannot "objectify" them, because they have no personhood to be deprived of. They have no humanity to be erased. You cannot "disrespect" them, because they are not real.

[asses-to-ashes]

Pedophiles don't belong in the proship community. Zoophiles don't belong in the furry community. Can we stop conflating these communities.

If you're recovering from a paraphilic disorder, great! Can't afford a psychologist but are anti-contact and anti-enabling? Also great! I wish you the best.

My problem comes from the normalization and celebration of paraphilic disorders on this site specifically under the disguise of disability or queer activism. A psychologist will NEVER, EVER recommend that you post about it or engage in an online community of enablers. Paraphilic disorders are not kink. Embracing paraphilic disorders is not disability activism.

You can be anti-contact and anti-enabling without being hateful or making assumptions about people who have a disorder, but people who run Para Blogs are not anti-enabling. The ProPara community has turned into a cesspool of enablers and legitimate pro-contact pedophiles who hide behind the fact that people have empathy for those with disorders they can't control. They've created a space where people brag about being pedophiles and celebrate attraction to children. This is the opposite of how the disorder is treated by professionals.

Stay away from fiction & communities that could cause you to relapse or backslide. Proshippers are not attracted to minors, our stories don't exist for pedophiles to displace their attraction onto.

The reasons paraphilic disorders are different from fetishes is because:

1. They include unwilling people or people who cannot consent, such as voyeurism or pedophilia

2. They cause the participant or others harm that is potentially lifelong

3. They prevent a person from functioning or adjusting in society

I'm going to address a post I saw earlier. EXTREME TW for the defense of pro-contact "big 3" paraphilias

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Being gay harms nobody. It is an attraction between two consenting adults.

PARAPHILIC DISORDERS are not normal attraction. Comparing being a pedophile to being homosexual is not the #WOKE PEDOPHILE WIN that you think it is. It's insanely regressive and harmful.

To reiterate, you are not evil for having a paraphilic disorder.

You are not a bad person. You are a bad person for glorifying it, enabling yourself and others, fighting for your right to harm other people without consent, and engaging in an online community of pedophiles.

[myfandomrealitea]

I saw some stupid post about what media you consume and create so I made a rant and I thought it would be fun to share with someone:

For people who say that what you read/interact/make determines who you are and your values as a person I have this to say; do you know how many kids played with their toys in a gruesome manner? How many Barbies have had cheating, abuse, and divorce scandals that ended with someone dying? How many Minecraft sheep have suffered the piston end rod joke? How many mlp horror fanfics were ingested and enjoyed by younger fans?

Did you only play with your toys in a pure and golden way? Did you not try out some dark ideas for fun with the knowledge that this is all fake? Do you think the kids obsessed with fnaf and poppy playtime and the other dozen rip offs are pro child murdering?

They do it because it’s fun to play pretend, not because they want it all to actually happen. If children can realize that you can do things in fiction that you wouldn’t want to do in real life, why can’t adults?

This makes me think of the Reddit example in the comments of an AITA post where someone talked about how as a child they used to pretend they were an orphan and had to navigate life by themselves. When their Mom found out she went absolutely batshit, insisting it meant that they wanted her dead and were plotting to kill her.

People who think you can only consume specific media or in specific ways always make me laugh because you'll usually find out they love Disney movies or love songs about rape and gang violence or read the exact same literature only its okay because they do it "critically."

[annwayne]

No really, read this article.

I have never read a more excellent article

[horizon-verizon]

One thing I have noticed is how Jon’s stans want him to have this really powerful bond with Daenerys’ dragons but I have NEVER seen them talk that way about Daenerys and Ghost. You’ll see Stark fans theorize or make fanfiction/fanart of the Starks having her dragons or being part of the Three Heads or taking Daenerys’s prophecies but you’ll never see anyone claim Daenerys will warg Ghost or another direwolf. I couldn’t care less about the direwolves but I found that quite interesting.

Jonerys is all about co-opting Daenerys’ Targaryen identity for Jon. Or make it seems like they are both leaders, when in reality what Daenerys is doing in Essos, in Meereen, just stomps on EVERYTHING Jon does (did since he’s dead, murdered by his own men, lmao). It’s just just about giving Jon access to Daenerys’ dragons and groundbreaking accomplishments & storyline. Ship trash as hell, by shipping them (or pretending to because they are quick to throw Daenerys under the bus, they just want to use her as a self insert), Jon’s stans can elevate him through Daenerys.

From what I have also seen of the most of the Jon stanning Jonerys shippers so far, I must agree. Part of it is that in real life, men also can't be much of anything professionally nor domestically without leaching off of their female partners and family members, so of course we have people do the same with fictional characters. Apparently in the U.S. men are more likely to get promotions and shit when they have children or get married or even just move in with a woman whereas it's the reverse for women. Still, bc it's tacitly expected the woman would be the one performing much domestic labor and birthing children that "depend" on the man's income. You'd think BOTH would get the promo for the household to get even more $, but nah...bc women are the main consumers but also the expected ones to consistently consume products for their households, children, etc.

Aside from Nymeria and Ghost--the dogs themselves, but in the case of Nym, the relationship w/Arya, I am in anticipation of seeing again in the books--the direwolves of ASoIaF don't really intrigue me all that much. And it could be bc we haven't gone anywhere away from Bran using Summer to warg AND I don't see how they'd be involved with the coming war to this day.

[wolveria]

I don’t engage with the “fiction affects reality” argument, because it’s a red herring. It’s focusing on the wrong thing.

Fiction doesn’t affect reality, fiction affects people. That’s the point of art. It’s supposed to create an effect, make you feel something. If you're afraid how fiction will make people feel, then you’re not afraid of fiction. You’re afraid of people having the power to possibly cause harm.

It’s a lot more sanitized to say “this fiction is bad because it affects reality” and not the more truer version of “this fiction is bad because it might make people feel things I’m afraid of.”

And we know that can lead to some dark things fairly quickly, the desire to preemptively persecute people based on their potential for harm, rather than any harm they’ve actually done. This reaction is based on fear of the unknown, and you can’t win an argument against the irrationality of fear.

[junespriince]

Fictional vs reality au

Roy, crying laughing, telling the Batfam who is also laughing at him: you're jealous haha, over your own self!

Dick: I didn't think the dating sim would have gotten this popular, let alone him playing it... There's a life-size Nightwing plushie he cuddles instead of me, his own boyfriend! How am I losing to myself!?

Garth: I don't understand why you're mad, it's still you.

Dick: it's my alter ego, it not me, Wally has spent six grand on a life-size Nightwing! I'm losing to myself! I rather he had chosen to romantic anyone else.

Donna: really? I wouldn't mind having a cute redhead fanboy obsessed with me~

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Dick: scratch that, anyone but you.

Kori: at least I'm his second favorite, he's spent quite a lot on my builds.

Dick: well... He does have eyes and taste... I don't think it should warrant a grand on a figure nobody but us we'll see, he's a vtuber!

Kori: just enjoy it, he's on articles as your number one fan and the money the game makes goes to charities so don't be so hard on him.

Dick: I guess....

Jason: could be worse dickface, he could have hated Nightwing.

Dick: ... I didn't think of that

Meanwhile in Wally and Dick's apartment

Kyle: WHY HAVE YOU REJECTED ME!?

Wally: because you're my best friend it would be weird!?

Connor: but you both max out my romance bar...

Wally and Kyle: of course, duh.

Kyle: you're special.

Wally: be rude to not do it.

Connor: that doesn't make sense at all!

Kyle: okay losing the plot, how much to do my romance scenes?

Wally: six dollars.

Kyle, gasp in struggling artist living in California: that's expensive!

Wally: then wait, my fans want me to romance my hubby again. I can't deny them Nightwing scenes.

Kyle: ain't your rich boy toy jealous of you calling a hero you don't know you're husband?

Wally: nah, he's so supportive!

Kyle and Connor, seen Dick in full Nightwing gear telling himself he better stop stealing his mans: ... Sure

* because it too long lol

[airasilver]

Or anything kind of ‘cest.

people who claim that “you fuck your siblings if you ship wincest“: how’s life as a terrorist since you like action movies so much? how’s life as a serial killer since enjoy crime so much?

exactly. media literacy guys, media literacy.

[fairytailfairiess]

I'm all for pointing out a flaw(s) in a character or a couple but the key of understanding one another with different view points is that you DON'T have to fully on agree with everything but to only listen to yourself is where I draw the line

I know Juvia has some issues I know Juvia takes her love for Gray on a level that no "rational" person can understand I know Natsu can be a bit centric when it comes to boundaries I know there are just small times when Natsu doesn't respect of Lucy's space I know in some reality that Gajeel wouldn't work with Levy cause he tried to kill her and same with Jellal/Erza

I don't mind talking about these things but people are so hung up on the small details to not be able to bypass the fact that they all really have grown in their ways even if it doesn't seem like it and at the end of the day they're fictional most people who get into this series are adults and most adults (should) understand that no decent person would act on these types of behavior so really people need to just stop taking fiction so seriously

[destinygoldenstar]

Regression of one’s redemption in real life: Expected and normal and shows that being a better person is not a switch. You will fail, you will make the same mistakes again and again until the lesson truly sticks. Regression is not good, but it is something to be expected on that journey. A bump in the road, shall we say. Regression of one’s redemption in fiction: “Bad Writing”

(Okay well in SOME cases in fiction that’s true, but you know, context matters, so not EVERY example of regression deserves the label I feel. The fact the character regresses isn’t bad. How the writer handles that regressing is.)

(Zuko & Bojack Horseman are some amazing examples of a character ‘regressing’)