#pathological lying

[chaos-in-one]

Friendly (or unfriendly if you're against this) reminder that this blog is supportive of ALL disorders. This blog does not think ANY disorder inherently makes someone a bad person, and is against any disorder being demonized. This blog wholeheartedly believes that a bad person having a disorder, yes, even if things that are also symptoms of their disorder are part of what caused harm, does not make the disorder a "bad" or "evil" disorder or excuse ableism and demonization directed towards the disorder.

Yes this includes personality disorders

Including npd and aspd

Yes this includes all psychotic disorders & disorders that cause psychotic symptoms

Yes this includes paraphilic disorders. All of them.

Yes this includes disorders that cause, or are even characterized by, attention seeking

Yes this includes disorders that directly have lying as a common symptom

Yes this includes dissociative disorders

Yes this includes any disorder with "gross" symptoms

Yes this includes physical disorders too

Yes this includes disorders that can cause loss of control of any kind- control of speech, control of body movement, etc.

Yes tis includes disorders that make someone "look scary"

This goes for literally any fucking disorder. There are not exceptions.

[mirrorobsidian]

Memory of my session with an old therapist for Conduct Disorder/ASPD

Therapist- Why do you lie?

Me- *shrugs* I don't know

Therapist- Let me ask, how long have you been lying?

Me- I don't know

Therapist- Do you know lying is bad?

Me- That's what they say

Therapist- Do you have any reason to lie?

Me- I don't know. Maybe

Therapist- Why maybe?

Me- I get in trouble when I lie but I also get in trouble when I tell the truth so why does it matter?

Therapist- Has anyone told you to lie?

Me- No

Therapist- Why not we start telling small truths from now on?

Me- Because the truth is always wrong. They wanna hear what they wanna hear

Pathological lying is one of the conditions therapists look for when diagnosing CD/ASPD while it does not give direct symptoms of the disorder, it's one of the listed criteria. While many view lying as "bad" and "intentional" it's not always such. Lying can be done as a defense mechanism, lying can be the result of one's environmental growth, etc....

Pathological lying is also considered a compulsive disorder in which the person whether intentionally or unintentionally, will lie in order to either get what they want or to protect themselves from punishment

Being a pathological liar does not indicate you are a bad person however it does make you work harder to be trustworthy and being able to decipher which is the truth and which is the lie

[daffythefox]

one of the fucking scariest things is someone I love being like "my biggest dealbreaker in a relationship is someone lying to me. someone does it once and they've lost my trust forever" and I'm like "Oh no! I compulsively lie by impulse! now I have to lie more to make sure I never get caught!"

[chronicbackstabbingdisorder]

Everyone stop putting your breakup venting and politics in the complusive lying tags challenge. Stop tagging shit about your ex cheating or politicians lying in a tag that should be for people with a highly stigmatized symptom of trauma and mental illness to find each other and talk about our own experiences.

[junopede]

Good morning to people who grew up and became pathological liars and now are attempting to stop Doing The Thing, you’re doing great

[somepoetwannabe]

What's so insane to me is, even with the body's parents perception of what's "really" going on with us, it would still be a cause for concern? And they should still be getting us help?

Like, if they genuinely believe we falsely fabricated memories of abuse which caused fictitious traumatic effects - why the fuck do we not have a therapist?

If they genuinely believe we lie repeatedly about being incapable of basic tasks, lie repeatedly about the answers to basic questions about ourselves, lie repeatedly about things happening to us, all because of a chronic need for attention - why the fuck do we not have a therapist?

These are all things we'd still need to see a therapist for. I feel like they constantly convince themselves we're some secret evil, that all our symptoms are the "less deserving of sympathy" versions and, therefore we are undeserving of help anyway. They're using the ableism of demonising disorders to justify their neglect. It fucking sucks.

If I have to hear we're "just quirky" one more time I swear.

Even if we were a pathological liar, we'd still be deserving of fucking help. Just because lying is deemed immoral doesn't mean you get to neglect us.

[rory-is-hiding]

i pick people that are terrible to me in every possible way. i pick the violent drunks and the clinical liars. i pick the cruel and uncontrolled. my chosen family mimics my blood.

there is a power that comes with my forgiveness. you will say you are sorry, and even if you dont, i will still believe you. there is a debt of love, i think. you know what i will do for you, you know that if i was in my right mind id leave. your evil dwarfs mine. i hold my highground, i am pure. i am clean. i am free of sin. you are filthy, you are dirty, you are unloveable. and i still love you. i still love you. i still love you.

tell me stories of things that never happened. i will listen and play pretend with you, and we both will know. keep talking, dig the hole until we are both slicked with mud. i can tell you i dont see it, that even if i could, i wouldnt care. its not a lie. its not really true, either. bow down to the emperor anyway, i can see his invisble clothes.

maybe i am holding onto sickness, tasting snippets of abuse even now, even after i escaped it. maybe i want it to hurt. maybe i just need to feel better than something.

[sunnys-serious-soliloquys]

Soliloquy of a Silver Tongue

So. Compulsive lying. We've all heard of it.

In case you haven't, here's a quick summary; you just can't. Stop. Fucking. Lying.

For some people, it's outrageous things like being related to a celebrity or being able to do completely impossible feats or just having dead family members or something like that. Relatively easily debunked. For others, it's more subtle; having all your work done, being exactly where you're supposed to be, making promises. While the former is more used as an example, I feel the latter can be far more harmful than its counterpart.

Why am I talking about this? Well let's rewind... say 4 years. I'm still smart, kind, loving, a picture perfect daughter. But above all, utterly honest.

My father will ask me what has changed since then. Why I can't be good and hardworking and helpful and truthful. I don't answer. I'm not entirely sure myself. There was no great tragedy, nothing that would flip a switch into the utter disappointment I am today. But I am, nevertheless, a disappointment. A moral failure in every way that my parents somehow can't help but love. Sometimes I feel that it would be easier for both of us if they didn't.

It's easy. Too easy, almost. To pretend I'm not broken by my own hand. A hundred thousand "I'm doing fine!"s and "I'll get it done."s and "Of course I can!"s. And the worst part is, for a minute I believe it. And then time flies by and since it should've been done by now, I pretend it has been. "I've submitted it." "Are you sure it's not there?" "Something must have gone wrong..." A million twisted words from a tongue suffocated in silver. And I tell myself, "I'll get it done", "I'll make it right", "If I get it done fast enough, then no one's none the wiser, right?", and letting myself down again and again. It feels like frost in my veins, crawling down my arms and legs and numbing my fingertips. I can't focus, I can't work, I'm trying to get things done but I just can't, and I keep lying because I know they expect me to be better than that, and I can't stand the thought of telling them I can't.

Because I should be able to, right? I've sped through the lower grades with straight A's and high marks, proud teachers saying how gifted and extraordinary I was, how happy my parents must be to have such a brilliant child. And, yet, here I am struggling to get a single assignment done. Frankly, it's pathetic.

Maybe that's where the lying comes from. Shame, the thought that "they can't see me like this because I'm not good enough for them". It begs the question; What came first? The chicken or the egg? The lying or the shame?

It's not like I've never been found out. I've pledged to stop lying more times than I can count, sometimes to myself but mostly to my parents time and time again. But in the end, a promise broken is just another lie, isn't it? It's hard to drag yourself out of the pit you've been falling into for four years, and sometimes your grip just slips and you've lost control again. In the end, what it really takes is a barbed hook to pull you out. Sure, it hurts like hell, and the wound won't heal for years to come, but it's sure not to let you go easily.

Anyway, any advice on how to stop lying? Any help would be appreciated!

[freowine]

I mean people need to know WHY I’m a compulsive/pathological liar because there’s different reasons or causes for everyone and it’s really complicated

I lie about things to avoid vulnerability but still receive comfort or loving attention from others

For (a hypothetical) example: I have been struggling with SH- I tell a friend I’ve been drinking a lot. They help me feel better and I get the result I want from a misdirection/ version of the truth

Now, another thing I do is lie or be obnoxious for just general attention. This is for the same purpose of the other one, but is more like… Meta??

Example: I am feeling discomfort in my life, my obsessions/infatuations are really REALLY getting to me. I talk about drugs and sex and act a fool (sometimes I do this either in view of one such obsession or with someone who will tell them)- annoying and scary for my friends who are not into what I’m showing off with.

[zebracorn-chan]

Made a NGL and N/A creature for the Yippee universe!!! 🤥😶🦗✨

Pathological Liar and Trust Issues creature. 🥰

[terrence-silver]

What books do you think are Terry's favorites? What about films?

Well, he was shown reading Hobbs' Leviathan when left to his own devices.

Is it safe to envision Terry Silver likes his works of classical philosophy, both Eastern and Western? Machiavelli's Prince as the ultimate guideline of being? Maybe Sun Tzu's Art of War, as a lesson on strategizing? Nietzsche? Kant? Confucius? Stoics and Cynicism? Romantics and Realists alike? But, it goes further than that. I think that when Terry reads, he reads indiscriminately and on a whim, because every work of literature, consisting of deep thought and the most shallow, vapid, self-indulgent thing you could imagine contains something he can learn and collect for his arsenal --- a lesson in human behaviour he can draw from (or at least be amused by), chameleon with high observational skills that he is, and as such, he is a man of such extremes, he can go from researching The Hundred Schools of Thought from Ancient China and Korean Neo-Confucianism and Taoism to reading porn. Or Tabloids. Or news columns about himself --- or whoever is the next person he plans to draw into a scheme of his. Downright. His tastes range from one end of the spectrum to the other and everything in between. It is safe to say he'd adapt his tastes depending who he has the (dis)pleasure of dealing with. His target likes a certain thing, as he discovers, upon extensive research of them? Well, now he likes a commonly related thing to easier get under their skin by feigning common interests --- but not too much to where it gets suspicious. If they don't like a thing, well, he is much the same --- because he keeps his true likes and dislikes close to heart, transforming as per requirement, and few people ever discover what it is Terry Silver actually enjoys because he never reveals it or changes himself so often it is impossible to pinpoint him.

Target enjoys the color green?

Wouldn't you know it, Terry enjoys all the shades of green known to the human eye.

He even has a wonderful, impressive and most rare collection of green things.

Would you like a tour of all his green things?

A lot of choices for Terry Silver are deliberate and tactical posturing. Media is posturing. Books. Cousine. Wines. Opinions. Beliefs. Fundraisers. Charities. Things he says. Things he does. I feel he doesn't think a great many individuals deserve to know the real him (if such a thing even exists after a certain point, when you peel back all that he is and built himself to be), because him being known is a weakness and leaves him open to being controlled and affected (and plainly, he doesn't like a great many people enough to even want to share), even if he is known in a really miniscule, benevolent way such as 'What is your favourite movie?' --- and as such, he has a collection of acceptable, compartmentalized answers he gives to all of these questions when asked by people, much like a celebrity would during a rehearsed interview to broadcast a certain image:

What is Mr. Silver's favourite movie?

Why, it is Casablanca, of course!

Only the classiest, most elegantly well-known movie of all time!

Favourite book?

Oh, my work’s schedule tragically prevents me from dibbling into my private library's collection as much as I'd like, but I enjoy a great American classic like any other person. Great Gatsby, I'd say. I'm on possession of an original first edition signed copy from from 1925 that went at about $150,000! Would you like to see it?

Thing is, none of these answers are outright true. A person would need to be extremely special to ever discover what Terry Silver genuinely likes and dislikes, otherwise, everyone lesser than that gets a barrage of lies upon lies and made up stories, fabrications and fantastical inventions. If you know him for who and what he actually is --- you must be exponentially important to him.

[ribbedpleasure]

just managed to trick my martin scorsese enthusiast father into thinking that the mafia masterpiece Goncharov (1973) was real for a full five minutes before he opened Google

[mental-health-advice]

i’ve been struggling with my pathological lying for a while now and despite not doing anything outwardly bad to people, i’ve lied about most aspects of my life consistently to almost everyone. i don’t know how to stop without communicating this but if i did i would have no one left at all. i have no close friends who know the real me and it really hurts sometimes but i don’t know what to do about it

Hey there,

I guess a good starting point to trying to stop being a pathological liar towards people is trying to think back to a time when you weren’t like this. I suggest this because you mentioned that you had been doing this for a while now which suggests that there was a time before where you weren’t like this..

By thinking back, we may be able to see if something has happened to cause you to be this way or if there has or was something that triggered this from first happening and kept this behaviour continuing.

I think it’s also important to know that you can’t always predict how others may react to what we may tell them and so even though you may feel like everyone may leave you if you were to be upfront and honest with them, they may be more understanding than you think. No one knows what may happen in the future and I know how easy it is to be stuck in this mindset that everyone will leave, it’s not always the case in reality though.

So how can you put things into place to stop yourself from lying towards others? Sometimes it can be helpful to write down each day why you want to stop this behaviour. The benefits of what it will bring to you and your life, what it may mean for your future. I’m hoping that if you were to continue to write these reasons down enough then you will start to believe them and it will make you hopefully stop and think before the lying to others begins.

I know this won’t be easy, but it is possible. You just have to keep practicing and stick with it.

I really hope that this has helped a bit and please do let us know if we can help to support you in any other way!

I’m thinking of you and hope that you are going well!

Take care,

Lauren

[daffythefox]

I need to get better with compulsive lying. I'll keep saying I did something I didn't so I'm more interesting. What's the difference between making a joke and saying it happened to you because the joke works better in first person and lying? It's so complicated and I hate it. People's definitions of lying are so varied and neurotypical. I don't understand it.

[xxrosebunny]

ʚɞ 𝙸'𝚟𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚎𝚗𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚎 𝚜𝚘𝚖𝚎𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝙸'𝚖 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚖𝚢 𝚕𝚒𝚏𝚎, 𝚜𝚘 𝚖𝚞𝚌𝚑 𝚜𝚘 𝚒𝚝 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚖𝚎𝚛𝚐𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗𝚝𝚘 𝚖𝚢 𝚊𝚌𝚝𝚞𝚊𝚕 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚏 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚗𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚝𝚠𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚕𝚒𝚝𝚢 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚋𝚕𝚞𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚍. 𝙸'𝚟𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝 𝚎𝚡𝚝𝚎𝚗𝚝𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚊𝚌𝚝𝚞𝚊𝚕𝚕𝚢 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚖𝚎 𝚝𝚛𝚞𝚎. 𝙱𝚢 𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚎𝚗𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝙸 𝚠𝚊𝚗𝚝𝚎𝚍, 𝙸 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚡𝚝𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚘𝚏 𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚏𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚎 𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚕𝚒𝚝𝚢. 𝙸 𝚗𝚘 𝚕𝚘𝚗𝚐𝚎𝚛 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚎𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚛 𝚕𝚒𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚒𝚝 𝚒𝚜 𝚓𝚞𝚜𝚝 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝙸 𝚊𝚖. 𝙸𝚝 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚞𝚛𝚊𝚕𝚕𝚢 𝚗𝚘𝚠. 𝙸 𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚖𝚢 𝚋𝚎𝚜𝚝 𝚕𝚒𝚏𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚢 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚍 𝚜𝚘 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚗𝚝𝚕𝚢 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚝 𝚝𝚛𝚊𝚗𝚜𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗𝚝𝚘 𝚙𝚑𝚢𝚜𝚒𝚌𝚊𝚕𝚒𝚝𝚢 ʚɞ

[notacluedo]

he’s telling Neil to get his gross runners feet off the walls

challengers screencap redraw 🤌🤌