#ofc there are ships i do like to think of in a romantic sense

[spinspoon]

it's funny because sometimes ill just think about some of the ships i like and go "huh well if i think about it i think i like it as more of a platonic love rather than romantic" and idk if that's just due to the ace and wherever the hell i am on the aro spec bc im definitely on there somewhere

[hauntingblue]

Just saw some people say they don't like luffy and boa scenes??? Are they the funniest thing ever just to me?? It's literally sanji's gag done well what the hell

[lesbiansanemi]

I was put in this world to counteract ppl obsessed with m/m ships and nothing else. A m/m ship becomes a major plot point and I stop giving a FUCK I have officially tuned tf out I do not FUCKING care anymore bring the girls back let me know when there’s lesbians

[somethingsad]

I think there's a general consensus that we should have that all ships are "toxic". The thing is we can't perceive the character's relationships in a "normal" sense because they're in a world where love and romance was not something that's normalized or even seen (atleast between humans) so ofc these people aren't gonna have a what our society's outlook on love is nor the separation between platonic or romantic, they don't have that. They don't know what they're doing they don't even know what they're feeling all they know is they like having this person around. They don't know the word "Love" nor it's deepest sense

[menlove]

https://www.tumblr.com/bambi-kinos/750961105393909760/theres-the-obvious-shipping-stuff-but-i-think-a?source=share

^thoughts on this, specifically the final addition? i dont mean to judge just one tumblr user in particular, but its a general viewpoint ive seen thrown around and i'd like to hear your thoughts on it

I honestly really agree w @bambi-kinos addition here! I think it's one that I saw ages ago and like adopted into my worldview. but I mean it's really my biggest, most obvious explanation of "what happened in india?"

bc I'm gonna be real, I do think....... and I don't mean this with any malice or judgment but. a Lot a lot a lot of fandom is filled with people who have little to no experience w drugs, alcohol, sex, addiction, lived queer experiences, heavy mental health issues that aren't depression/anxiety/adhd/autism, etc. and there's nothing wrong w this, at all! but it does sort of lead, sometimes, to underestimating the impact of these things on people and relationships. I see this a lot w john in particular when it comes to the "something MUST have happened in india. paul MUST have rejected him because why ELSE would he act like that?" theory. when like. dude was Heavily doing drugs, including heroin, and already prone to paranoid, irrational thinking. he really didn't need a romantic rejection to make him lash out at paul for "no reason". there were plenty of reasons, just maybe not ones that we would find totally reasonable. and anyone who's either dealt w addiction or lived closely with an addict is going to recognize those patterns- it's just not something everyone goes to first even though it is, imo, the most obvious explanation for his behavior.

and I think that what bambi-kinos said here is pretty much my take on india as far as that goes. sudden sobriety after heavy drug & alcohol use is bound to be a fucking nightmare. especially in their situation. I think it caused a Lot of disillusionment and tension within the group and just internally. not to mention john had... a lot going on that wasn't helped by his drug use. he was a very paranoid person prone to fits of rage and mystical thinking. and like he says in a lot of those linked quotes, he was just completely disillusioned w the maharishi and hinduism/meditation as a whole after it didn't provide him w the magical solution to be someone he wasn't like he was hoping for.

I certainly think india didn't help anything. it did make things worse. but I don't think it had anything to do with dramatic gay love confessions. I think being sober for the first time in years and meditating for 8 hours a time on the cocktail of sobriety and mental illness when you have no sense of permanent self Will Fuck You. and ofc just group friction and dynamics.

[broareweabouttoviberightnow]

FOR THE GIVE ME A CHARACTER, CAN YOU DO TWO BIT

OFC I CAN HON!!! (ask game here!!)

Two Bit is unfortunately one of those characters I never talk about but I need you to know I have him vibratin at lightnin speeds in my brain. He's easy to misunderstand I fear. both in n out of canon which is kinda the tragedy of his character I s'ppose. he's a joke. a he's the comic relief. he knows he ain't worth nothin. his self esteem is the worst you've ever seen. he talks like he thinks he's hot shit. he drinks for courage n drinks for distance n drinks cause no one ever stops him. he thinks he's stupid. he goes to school cause that's where his friends are! n cause he don't think he could ever hold down a job. he's terrified a endin up like his dad. he wants to make his ma proud. he knows he can't. he falls victim to the same fallacy as soda. he looks fine. so no one ever asks him more.

my ships for two!! unfortunately I don't really go for any two bit ships!! I think him n marcia are cute but it don't really pique my interest enough to really explore (I'm so sorry to my marbit lovers!! I think they're sweet!! honest!!)

as far as non romantic relationships/ friendships I adore my GOD do NOT get me goin on Steve, Soda, Two trio. they are kinda. everythin to me. two's always dickin around the DX n buggin Steve n Soda when he skips! they get REAL into startin a band!! once a month two of em get overly involved on a prank on the other!! they are perhaps the most chaotic trio in tusla!! not an ounce a sense between them n the means to get into any typa trouble a person could possibly get into!! I could go on forever actually. they're so silly to me god I adore em.

my unpopular opinion about two! hmm I'm not sure!! I gotta think!! OH! well I dunno if this counts but I often feel like two as an individual character gets over looked way too often!! I see him talked about in the context of other characters real often but never much about just him. he's so much more then just a funny kid n I really wish people talked about him more!!

one thing I wish had happened I canon!! I wish real bad we had gotten to see more of two interact one on one with the other characters!! ESPECIALLY johnny!! I feel like there was so much complexity there with Johnny n Two's friendship (Two who was so used to people laughin at his jokes n never seein more n Johnny who could see right past that. Two who was clearly real protective over the kid n hated his mother for what she did to him. but calls her a 'damn drunk' n knows he really ain't that much different) That or more of his own grief after Johnny n Dallas! he lost two brothers. when does he get to grieve?

AOUGH!! TWO BIT MATHEWS MY BELOVED. I'm gonna cut it off there but know I could talk about him til the end a time.

[purrpl-png]

What is your opinion on Beast x Ancient?

sighhh deep down i knew someday ill have to answer this question😞

i dont really like participating in ship discourses and it turned out a little longer than i thought, so im placing it undercut for those who are interested enough to read what i think

the answer is that its not for me. at least not in a romantic way. at least not for now. i was never really a fan of ships with complicated/toxic dynamics or hero x villain or rivals at all. for example, i never liked billford or tomtord or even sonadow and stuff like that. not that theyre entirely bad, its just not for me and gives me discomfort, because i was in toxic relationships myself and i just can't help but associate them with my personal experience. this includes beast x ancient and even some of the beast x beast too with the way i portay beasts characters in my mind, but its not about them

honestly, i am not really into shipping in general as i cant really understand or process the concept of shipping in my mind as a whole, if it makes sense. like i personally never truly understood the exact point of it nor felt the urge to ship. but i do understand that shipping plays a huge role in every fandom and its just how it is, people having fun, even if i am somewhere far away from all this. ofc i drew a couple of 'shipey' things out of pure joke or to play with some dynamics for fun (ex. my shadowbill animation and buttervelvet post), but never went any further than that. doesnt mean that i dont ship anything at all, trust me, i actually love some ships, but its not like HUGE for me and is very rare, it's just very difficult to explain exactly

dont get me wrong, id LIE if i said that i dont like to see beasts and ancients interact with each other. id lie if i said i dont enjoy the possibility of many interesting scenarios between them and an idea of slow redemption arcs either. all these parallels and tragic doomed soulmates stuff is SICK AF, i like their dynamics and contrasts between the characters. their bond is like a foundation of life itself; their virtues cannot exist without each other, no matter how much they like it or not and theyre complete opposites, but at the same time theres NO ONE whos is more similar to them than they are to each other. all of them are the only perfect match to confront each other and its such a peak cinema i wish more people didnt sleep on, because theres SO much you can do with it💔

unfortunately, i saw a lot of people romantize/fetishize very weird things iykwim... ive seen some HORRENDOUS bad terrible uncomfortable stuff i wish i didnt, that i clearly dont support and dont interact with :( it even made me block some of the tags. and while im still here, i want to remind that i have pr0ship in my dni, so if youre a pr0shipper reading this, please, unfollow/block me, because ive seen some interacting with my posts before😞

and just to add, of course i know that most of beast x ancient shippers dont do that, because some of my online AND irl friends i knew for YEARS and i sure know they wouldnt hurt a fly in their life and dont approve of such things at all either, liked beast x ancient, but i still prefer not to engage with it anyway just in case. lets just say i am extremely neutral/apathetic to everything unless its something bad and harmful

thank you for listening to my little yap session, i hope any of it made sense, i am not really much of a public talker honestly and interacting with any fandoms and people in it usually gives me some kind of anxiety and mixed feelings, because im struggling with comprehending peoples attention. its been like that for years and ongoing even now, but im really trying to open up a little as a person and not just a rando who usually drops their drawings once in a while and disappears until the next time lol

[anime-owo-kage-san]

Unpopular (?) Opinion: I want Crymini to happen before or during the “Huskerdust” development.

(This is speaking in the sense IF Huskerdust would be canon. And don’t argue about whether it is or isn’t pls. I said IF, to stay vague about it.)

Okay. Obviously I don’t want her to show at EXACTLY the first episode of the next season. But, I would like for Crymini to show up in season 2.

I’ve heard some say that it wouldn’t be appropriate timing, because Husk ‘already has Angel to deal with’. So, it would be better for her to show up after some more development between Angel and Husk, otherwise she might be getting in the way of their development with each other.

But, for me? I say her showing up ‘early’ might work:

In the pilot, Husk says “I’ve lost the ability to love years ago.” And ofc, that’s the perfect line to give to a character who will eventually learn to love again.

He finally started liking Angel, but he doesn’t ‘love’ Angel just yet.

And, while I honestly ship these two to double death —I don’t think Husk learning to ‘love again’ should start with Angel (A.k.a ‘his potential love interest’).

I personally think it should start with Crymini (a.k.a ‘the child figure’).

It could just come from my personal belief, that not every character who grew cold should find a ‘love interest’ to break their walls down. (Not saying that they can’t have a love interest. They absolutely can. But, my point is ‘finding love’, can be more than just in a romantic sense). ——I just think it might suit Husk better if this is what happened first, before he and Angel; while he opened some vulnerable parts of himself to Angel, he opens up his softer, wiser, and more protective side for a kid who needs guidance (speaking from how I assume Crymini would be portrayed, until she’s official).

And Angel? ——Husk has done good for him, by listening to his problems, and cheering him up during Loser Baby. Now, it’s time to see some Angel doing good for Husk (and maybe minor angsty feels); he sees the family-like relationship between the two, and decides to give Husk space.

Angel would think to himself, ‘I’m a grown-ass adult. I can handle myself. Husk should focus on that kid. She definitely needs him more than I do.’

So, he’d bitch about his work a lot less to Husk, thinking it would help not overwhelm him. Might even let Husk bitch to him instead, when Crymini becomes a handful, because everyone else usually leaves it to Husk since he’s the closest to her. And Angel listens to it all.

And maybe from all of this, it’ll remind Angel about the rocky relationship he had with his family (namely his father and brother), and admire how nice Husk is to a rebellious kid who he hasn’t known for that long yet. (Cue falling in love with a guy who’s good with kids.)

Husk eventually notices that Angel comes to him a lot less now, when he had a bad day , and confronts him about it. They have a heart to heart about it, and came to an agreement to rant to each other about their busy day.

Then some eventual Angel and Crymini relationship, when he runs into the same club as her. Then takes it upon himself to watch over her from afar because Husk wasn’t there, but starts hovering over her like he did with Niffty. (Okay, I’m writing a fanfic at this point.)

But, I hope you all get what I mean here; Husk CAN love Angel when he learns to love again, but learning to love again doesn’t HAVE to start with Angel.

[hellsballz]

Jay and Kai please? For the character dissection thingymabob?

HELL YEAH! tysm for the ask<3 some dr s3 spoilers will be mentioned in jays text! JAY How I feel about this character: I LOVE HIM LOTS! I always say i dont have a favourite ninja and its because i think all of them are awesome and they all balance each other out. i love jays personality in early seasons especially. he is pretty hyper which makes sense for a lighting ninja and he is a literal defenition of unmedicated adhd (me!). i love this guy hes so fun. but i also love the new direction dr is taking him in. making him more serious and making him a depressed dude and is also unmedicated and has amnesia is so interesting and i LOVE IT SO MUCH! i cant wait for s3 to see more of rogue.

All the people I ship romantically with this character: NYA... NYA... NYA!!!!! jaya is my favourite jay ship i think, but mostly because of dragons rising. they make my heart ache and i want to squeeze doc wyatt for breaking my heart like that. i also really like plasma:) im a bit of a multishipper so in my mind they can co-exist (not in the same universe plane ofc). early season plasma is my fav though! esp pilots and seasons 1-2. i dont think i ship him with anyone else though? i might be forgetting someone bc bad memory but oh well, might edit this later to add other ppl

My non-romantic OTP for this character: COLE. oh my god they are my everything. jay and cole are best friends always and forever in my heart, i know its literally canon but its so unutulized it makes me so sad. i hope we can see more of their friendship shine through in dr! cole missing jay, his best friend... rogue having some faint memories of haging out with a black-hair, bushy browed boy when he was younger... UGHHH

My unpopular opinion about this character: okay this may be more of a prime empire opinion but i dont like prime empire as a jay season. at all. i went in to watch it for the first time expecting something good and fun but it did not do him justice. like boy why are you talking to a mecha dragon on top of a rooftop about how your parents left you bitch the poeple that RAISED YOU are literally well and alive you can call them right now😭🙏

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: i wish we got to see more of ed and edna in later seasons. i want to see more of their relationship! family dynamic! they stopped appearing after day of the departed which breaks my heart. why didnt they say anything to jay during/after nyas funeral?! come on! KAI How I feel about this character: I ALSO LOVE HIM! like with jay i especially like early season kai but this time it may be my nostalgia shining through as he was my favourite ninja as a kid (even though like i said i now dont have a fav ninja). him being a hotheaded guy that does not give a single shit about all those other losers and that weird old man and just wants to save his sister is so fun, it poses such a cool dynamic between him and other ninja. but i of course love later kai too. him caring for lloyd, being a little mean to jay... oh i love him lots!

All the people I ship romantically with this character: plasma as stated b4... esp early season but i already said that. i dont really have many ships for him because i feel like even tough there are many girls that are head over heels for him he cannot flirt to save his life. i mean... theres def the kailor situationship. its so funny to me i love it. i also like destiny but its more of a rivarly/enemies to making out gay-ly then romantical. him and morro would jump to eachothers throats and tear eachother down like two dogs but in a gay way if you know what i mean <3

My non-romantic OTP for this character: EUGH RBG SIBLINGS DO I NEED TO SAY MORE

My unpopular opinion about this character: okay also more of a season opinion like with jays prime empire but oh well - i think hands of time has too much kai in it 😭SORRYYY SORRYYYY i once saw someone say that in hands of time kai is doing everything and nya is just there and i wholeheartedly agree with that One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: let him worry about shit more PLEASE

[pichirobi]

your "hard to swallow pill" post was so refreshing to come across while scrolling the dnp tag. so many of these fans just focus on how "dnp are the ones making the jokes, ofc they're okay with it!" and refuse to look any deeper than that - as if this justifies anything you could possibly say about their relationship! they might be fine with some of it now but as you said there is also some very real bitterness about how their privacy has been invaded in the past, and we should all be aware of that. I also just find it strange to interpret all of their interactions as if they're leaving us hints about their relationship at all times. not everything is a hint for us specifically and the idea that they would be hyping up their relationship reveal as if it's an upcoming product they're releasing is very odd to me. and the way people overanalyze every single thing they say is getting annoying especially when the fans are gasping about a phrasing that would be completely normal whether someone is in a platonic or romantic relationship.... it's a bit much at times

sorry for the rant in your inbox, I just really appreciated your post! <3

hi anon, i LOVE this ask!!!

i posted it mostly because i've noticed some people tentatively making similar posts and noting that they were afraid to do so, as it may be an unpopular opinion. i shared my opinion to make it easier for others to start these kinda conversations.

i absolutely agree and think that some fans view dan and phil's videos through a strong shipping lens, and so everything they say is placed in the context of their relationship. people begin to watch phan instead of dan and phil. which is a little sad to me, as they are both great entertainers outside of their relationship, and we know from dan that the true nature of their relationship is the one thing they get to have that's just for the two of them.

to be fair, it is tricky navigating this as a viewer—the product that these entertainers are selling is their dynamic, their friendship, and so we are invited to engage with it. but we also have to police ourselves, because we are guests invited to experience a bit of their friendship. we are being sold the product of "dan and phil", but we also don't own them. i think it's healthy to take what they do/say at face value and to not fantasize about what they must be doing off camera. (i mean, having these thoughts are fine of course haha, it's okay of course to ship them. i just think we should step back and understand that us creating expectations for their relationship can be hurtful for a fan in a parasocial sense, and when taken to far, can become invasive. ie. the point of the "we are in a relationship" dystopia daily video. and so, we should ship phan with a grain of salt.)

i don't think anyone on tumblr's causing real harm/stress to dan and phil, and they're adults they can handle their audience, but i'm sharing these thoughts to encourage a certain mindset when we watch their videos! we have responsibilities as well.

like you, i also personally find it annoying when people take normal sentences/actions that dan and phil say/do, and then extrapolate their headcanons onto it to make it shipping content. 🥸 people say they're joking about the marriage theory, but there's a difference between saying smth genuine in a silly/joking tone, versus actually treating the whole thing like a joke. 🥸 but these folks are just shipping! as long as they know they are putting the fiction in rpf, and don't become obsessive, there's no harm. the phandom is the most mature and healthy it's ever been!

[bukatra]

I've watched spn and no I don't think wincest is inherent to the show??? Like maybe u don't have siblings that act the way they do, which is fair- most don't. And ofc they're codependent and toxic or whatever, but it's still very much brotherly love. Or if anything, Dean practically raised Sam. Wouldn't you do anything for the child u raised?

Your entire argument relies on some nonexistent line of familial behaviour that *you* think devolves into an incestuous one. I think you're the one not understanding what you just saw. Maybe read up on family dynamics and reevaluate your thoughts on wincest. I don't want this to become a lengthy discussion on boundaries.

I also do feel the need to point out that most of the people that ship wincest are def talking about a romantic relationship which is just incorrect as per the writers, actors and literally everyone else saying its not romantic. But ppl are allowed to be crazy about fictional characters so I don't really have anything much to say on that.

Personally, heres what I think is happening *IN CANON* i.e, this is what i think is going through their heads and hearts during their actions onscreen:

Dean and Sam are codependant to the point that they dont have a sense of self outside of their relationship and role of the other brother. Most of the emotional support/intimacy/nurturing/trust/etc that adults typically get from romantic or sexual partners is gotten via their brother. They struggle to create bonds with other people that are beyond friend or casual sexual partners. Deans connection to Castiel is a rare exception. They fill very similar roles in their day to day life as husbands or wives do in normal peoples lives. Due to their lifes, privacy is near impossible and its so rare that its almost seen as a breach of trust to keep anything at all a secret(i.e, having interests, posessions, relationships, etc that the brother is unaware of is shoking and both have gotten angry about the other having anything in their lives that they are unaware of)

So basically, a large amount of what constitutes their relationship are things typically attributed to sexual or romantic partners.

This is what is often referred to as the canonical wincest or weirdcest.

Do i think they had sex canonically? Hell no.

Do i think they ever talked about their relationship canonically? Hell no.

Do i think they knew that their relationship skewed way closer to the kind of dynamic usually seen in couples? Yes.

In fact i think that most of the back and forth of their dynamic (pushing the other one away only to yank him back in, one season they think they need to split up. The next season they are saying thwyll never leave each other) is just them becoming aware that they are basically acting emotionally the way most romantic partners do, freaking out, trying to distance themselves only to realize they are all they have. They cant reach this level of intimacy with someone else.

I dont think they ever did more than hug. But emotionally they filulfill the same needs normally found in a commited sexual and romantic relationship.

Perhaps as someone who is asexual and aromantic whose had relationships that were long term committed relationships where we cohabited and raised pets and children together all while being very reliant on each other for emotional support and intimacy and validation without any sex or romance involver, I am able to look at these two brothers and easily see that they are basically in a queer platonic partnership.

[harukasangel]

Okay, time to fight back/hj

Why does everyone act like Haruka is 'not allowed' to date? Like.....besides 0104, ppl try to protest against any Haruka ship or say he would never enter a relationship. Which just seems....in very poor taste to me. As a Haruka yumeshipper (don't throw stones at me) seeing people try to paint Haruka in a bad light as a boyfriend bc he's 'childish', disabled or mentally unwell just baffles me. Even pushing my Haruka bias aside, just seeing this character in canon and comparing him to the 'points' ppl make is bizarre. Hence, why he can't date + would be afraid of commitment. Like.....I'm a mentally disabled traumatized women myself. And I'm literally married (have been for almost 7 years) and have children. And when I was Haruka's age (assuming he's actually 17), I told myself I would never be near + want children (ofc this isn't to erase the fact that Haruka killed at least one kid, but you also can't erase the CANON fact he said he was 'good with Amane' now, and he wasn't afraid of little children anyone in T2 when a little bit of love + attention [which I wouldn't be surprised if it also gave him a sense of normalcy too] went a long way)

Now, ofc there is the headcanon that Haruka is aroace, and sexuality headcanons are totally valid! Ik lots of aroace Haruka kinnies project onto him, and you do you! But I'm seeing other ppl hc him as aroace solely because they don't believe Haruka should date. And to use that only because you believe the childish/disabled character can't enter relationships beyond platonic is really lame, imo. I would like to point out that Haruka, at best, *knows* there is a difference between like and love, but due to his trauma and abuse, he just never felt either platonic or romantic love before

He acknowledges that like and love are two different feelings, he just thinks of them both in a positive light. But, unless he really is aroace, this doesn't mean he *can't* feel romantic attraction. I'll even go as far as saying that he knows different relationships (and no, as much as I love a mom joke here and there, he wouldn't call his SO mom)

Cause yes, while he does call Muu his 'mother', it's in a way where "Muu is nice! Muu really cares about me!". And honestly? As much crap as I do give Muu for personal reasons, it's not very far off as to why he sees Muu as a maternal figure

He states that Muu picks out his clothes and that she takes care of him. And let's not forget her bringing him food + the heavy implication she was teaching him to write better in T2.

But does he call everyone mom? Despite him saying that the other prisoners are good people and nice to him?

From the timelines, Haruka treats everyone normally (or as normal as Haruka Sakurai can be), Shy, but polite. Throughout T2, he constantly improves his communication skills, being the prisoner who literally starts the most birthday timelines. While it's still not perfect, he seems to genuinely enjoy talking with the others (his answer to the hobby question!). While Muu is his 'mom', the other prisoners are his friends, and Haruka seems aware of this even

Throwing in a little snippet of my last analysis

Haruka said Muu-san is his mom, not bc she was truly that to him but bc he needed her to be in that moment + time. Haruka *just* had a meltdown and his emotions are a mess rn. His second VD is him very desperately trying to find a sense of purpose, even if it means warping reality for a bit.

Even saying Muu was his mother was less abt actually believing it, and more or grasping straws for a sense of purpose, something he *needed* atm. Es even acknowledges this in his VD, Haruka desires a mother

"Ummm....Sadie, this is great and all, but what does this have to do with Haruka and dating?"

It means Haruka is aware of different relationships. Moreso than what people give him credit for. And even the relationships he forged, such as seeing Muu as his 'mom', he is aware it's just a means to and end and he still is holding onto his real mom

Haruka desires a mother. Ofc he didn't come into Milgram wanting a romantic relationship. But based on the friendships he made and his answer to the love vs like question in his T1 interro, he *knows* what different relationships are, and possibly even what a SO is. Would he have trouble identifying his own emotions when he first feels romantic love cause he never felt it before? Most likely. But to say he wouldn't see his SO as a SO is just plain wrong imho

"He wouldn't KILL for you. Haruka would get his ass outta there if someone was bothering you"

Canon Haruka:

Look, I'm all for not classifying Haruka as a yandere, but he has threatened to kill Es if they didn't forgive Muu + even before that, he said not to scare Muu anymore

Plus

*taps the sign*

Haruka freaking leaving his SO if someone was bothering them is horribly ooc. Sure, Haruka is known as a weakling, but he canonically has tried his best to make sure his loved one(s) are safe. At best, with proper therapy + help, Haruka wouldn't actually kill someone that was bothering his SO, but would radiate those vibes :P

"Haruka would NEVER get married"

Canon Haruka:

We must protect him from his greatest wish apparently. Also, you're telling me Haruka Sakurai, the dude that thrives off of attention + love and wants a normal life, would never want to come even closer together with the person he loves? Would he be scared to bring it up? Certainly. But with confidence, can definitely stutter out the question, clumsily drop the ring, apologize like a mf, before finally saying it. Plus, Haruka "My biggest fear is betraying people" Sakurai. If anything, he would LOVE commitment

*sighs* I honestly think a lot of mischaracterization about Haruka (lots of it that can easily be disproven by not much 'deep analyzing') stems from ableism, unintentional or not. Still, it sucks that such as well written character is shunned from his greatest wish due to a huge chunk of a people not....really knowing how to characterize him just bc he's disabled. Ofc, sometimes *I* even worry if I'm writing him correctly, but blatant mischaracterization about him just always irked me. So I throw this in your faces <3

[npookie0]

Hi N!! Do you have any Ronin x Misaki x Angel x V (I like calling them .m4ngo) headcanons? Ik it's a lot haha but I don't see many people ship all four

WELL BABE YOU CAME TO THE RIGHT HOUSE !!

Slaughterhouse_Losers.m4ngo

headcanons of m4ngo (Ronin x Angel x Misaki x V or ... Rangvsaki?) cause I am the precursor of every ship in this fandom (jokingly ofc)

Cws: Killer Chat spoilers, DLC, Halloween special, everything KC related basically, Poly SHIP headcanons (don't come at me if u don't like ships, poly ships etc, thanks)

Their Dynamic :

Their dynamic is ... interesting from each side. I will make each member's pov on the relationship to make it easier for me and you all hopefully!

I don't think they all got together at the same time. Ronin dated Angel first, Misaki joined after some time (probably a long time) and at the very last member to join was V. it was messy, but I'll share my reasons for this vision later.

(I feel like I'm writing an essay omg, this is too messy I'M SORRY)

Ronin : He is, I would believe, one of the leading people in the relationship, it is, of course, equal, but Ronin would still take the lead more often than not. He'd be the one to plant the seed of this polycule.

Angel : In a way she's the second leading power in this relationship, not even because she's the person who Ronin dated first, but because she is the one to keep everything as calm as possible (especially between V and Ronin) she's also the pretty girl with her two scary dog privileges and one silly cat

Misaki : They're a thrill giver, chaotic peace keeper, troublemaker and the one to give date ideas for the most part. She is, surprisingly, the most chaotic of them all, Ronin may be a deranged guy, but Misaki is THE silliest and most chaotic assassin this world ever had. They also are the most active when it comes to call and messages, dms, group chat, Misaki has it all covered with their messages or random pictures.

V : He made sure to do some serious research on poly relationships and made sure that him and his partners made a list of rules and boundaries that they'd like to keep in the relationship so it's not too messy.

Poly Dynamic :

I think they could be a form of Vee but with four people? The Vee actually being on Ronin's and V's ends, in a scenario where we look at V as well the canon V who hates Ronin's guts, but still cares for the rest of the server it would make sense that he wouldn't want to date Ronin, but would want to date Angel and Misaki while accepting that they still would want to date Ronin because they love him.

But. In the scenerio where V starts to feel something towards Ronin and they actually are a ... square so to speak, they could be a Non-Hierarchical Polyamory. They don't need to live together, do everything as a four and spend all day every day together, but when it comes to important decisions and plans they make them together.

Who Joined When and Why?

Ronin and Angel started dating, he needed someone to heal his heartache after the loss of Ther, and Angel being his friend before and also needing someone after all the terrible men in her life and not feeling threatened by Ronin (by him being a man following toxic masculinity and wanting power over her) was the perfect person for that. They are each others reasons to live in a way, learned and healed a lot.

Misaki joined Rangel first. It was a few months after they joined the server. They charmed Ronin and Angel and she also fell for the two. Though at the start Misaki was very oblivious and didn't realise that they were actually dating, they only realised it when Ronin called them his partner and it became a new joke from Ronin for the next weeks.

V was the last and most reluctant to join, one of the main reasons was Ronin's obvious presence in the relationship, the second main reason was his lack of understanding in poly relationships and experience in any kind of relationships that are romantic. His main reason(s) for joining was Misaki or/and Angel being in the relationship and him being too in love to give up on his feelings even if he had to bear Ronin's presence.

Some More Headcanons :

Misaki crocheted them all little keychains with their symbols, so they have an aorta, a tooth and a green heart, Ronin has a wing, a cat and a snake, V has a skull, heart-shaped glasses and a rifle, and Angel has a crowbar, a dagger and a star.

V sponsors himself, Angel and Ronin a flight to Japan to visit Misaki every now and again, sometimes he sends them a plane ticket to Elysium so they all can spend together in real life. He just wants all of them to be able to spend time together without forcing anyone to use their money when they might be in a taught spot (looks at Misaki)

Angel now has 3 people having a "selfie for self care" pact with her instead of 1 and 3 people who explain in their own ways that Finian isn't treating her well and that she should take care of it and that saving herself is not a bad thing.

V had long battles when he entered the relationship, dating a cannibal even if her kills were for similar reasons to his was conflicting. He also got a chance to observe Ronin more and learn more about him when he opened up, though it did not change his opinions about the nature of his kills (at least the innocents)

Ronin is never alone for Christmas, they all hang around V's place and just spend time in a way that won't be too Christian festive, but just a day for them to enjoy their company in their own way.

A Surprise Relationship Chart :

I really had fun making headcanons for this ship

Potential fanfic asks about them would be welcome >w<

Thanks for the ask

Nate <3

[stormblessed95]

Hi!

I was slightly disappointed to find such short answers to some parts, but it was nice to see that there is a lot we seem to agree on (outside of whether to trust Jimin's words about love.... 😭).

I don’t know if it was the way I wrote or because you only answered some sections of my ask, but it seems that a lot of my thoughts were not understood or that people were projecting frustrations from other parties (tkkers, antis, insecure jkkers) onto me…

I want to make a few things clear before I delve into the responses 😃

I’m not against the “search for his inspiration/excitement with his art” theory

I don’t think that Jimin knows nothing about love in general

I am not analyzing MUSE through a shipping lens or to debunk Jikook

I am not dictating Jimin’s sexuality based on pronouns in a song

Anyways I’m going to go person by person, starting with Storm ofc!

Why is he releasing this in the military? I’d understand if he was planning on revealing a partner, but based on what Jimin, the producers, and WHO are saying, he’s single. So is he announcing that he’s looking for love once he’s discharged? Then we go back to it being assumed that he is already single… and not going to lie, that is a little strange to announce? Why make an entire album for that?

I don't think he is announcing anything exactly. Like it's not a release meant to be for an announcement. If that makes sense. He isn't trying to inform people he is single and/or ready to mingle. He is trying to share emotions and a story. Why during MS? Idk.

I don’t either necessarily, but the narrative that has been pushed by many based on his words and the song is that he is “lookin for love”, so I was wondering why he would do it this way and at this time if so (hypothetically)? I did state multiple times that I can see it as him sharing his emotions through some sort of story!

He may have used the concept of love to better articulate another deeper message

With this in mind, as well as the fact that BOTH Jimin and Namjoon talked about Jimin’s work, singing, and idol identity more than anything to do with love, made the idea that search for love = search for his inspiration/excitement with his art more possible

While Jimin still could be working through the idea of a concept about his inspiration

 He could have been using the feeling of not having that excitement to compare being alone….

With SGMB, the confusion for me was more about them mentioning it being about “expressing the process” and being conceptual after I had thoughts about WHO being more personal.

I really liked your take on the title of MUSE and relating it to inspiration and the Muses of Greek Mythology. It fits in line with what we’ve seen from Jimin, as well as what I was initially expecting.

The search for his inspiration and a version of himself that he’s fully satisfied with seemed likely to be the concept of MUSE.

If he is explaining his search for inspiration through the idea of romance, that is incredibly smart and endearing of him. It shows me how much his work and art matter to him. That he’s willing to work on bettering himself (even if I thought he was already amazing) to achieve even better results that he can truly be proud of.

Hearing that MUSE was born after Jimin was so excited to work on music, especially considering the darker topics discussed in FACE, makes me so unbelievably happy. The songs ending up as upbeat and hopeful, even romantic, really does make sense in that context.

It's true that conceptual doesn’t have to mean fake, but the question I’m often left with is “In what way is this album conceptual?” Is it his search for inspiration and excitement of his work through a romantic lens OR is it his search for his person through a made up love story?

So is he not LOOKING FOR A WOMAN? Or is he not SINGLE?

Is the album not about his LOVE LIFE but his work?

Because ANY of those would actually make more sense to misunderstand.

If it’s directly about Jimin and not just the concept of the song.

Jimin mentions that when he meets up with friends, they’re all feeling similarly flat. I wonder if that flatness is towards not being in a relationship or feeling uninspired with life and/or work? He goes on to say it’s not a sad or scary feeling, but it’s also not exciting. This could go for either concept (Love or Work) to be honest.

I’ve read through multiple analyses of the MV since my first viewing, and I’ve noticed a lot more details that are somewhat questionable.

Auto Calibration being the main one as it flashes on screen after Jimin dances with men and then leads into him dancing with women. This does give some queer vibes, and makes me interested in what “story” Jimin had in mind with WHO as the choreo also has similar vibes too.

Jimin also keeps mentioning the choreo feeling like a short film or musical, which makes all the film (play, pause, rewind) details in the MV fit.

His conversations with his friends come up again, about how there are few instances to feel really strong emotions and him thinking “Should I start feeling more passion?” while making WHO, and that the writers of WHO worded the story he wanted to tell in such a lovely way.

The choreo has a lot of fun theatrical elements as he seems to want to express a lot of picturesque scenes, and the dance suits him while being simpler and fresh. But he’s still concerned about how to express the emotions for this song, as it isn't a sad song, but it does kind of become one towards the end.

With the amount of story elements, I’m considering the song being more of a way to describe his feelings about needing passion in his life than a detailed recount of his “failing love life”. It’s still his thoughts and feelings, but maybe expressed in a more digestible way for the audience.

“He’s an Idol, of course he’ll say he’s single and doesn’t know what love is!” Ok, but why mention it at all?

Because with the concept and theme being what they are, it would be discussed to hell and back (low-key hello is us in this post) and it's "damage control" regardless of how I feel about that, it's most likely what it is. No matter how annoying

While I understand that, it does feel really weird and wrong just chopping up him, potentially, expressing his feelings as “damage control” though…

I could maybe see Jimin not being out to his producers (or more so with his possible relationship with Jungkook), but it’s also not hard to just take him at his word (via the producers) that he’s unfamiliar with romantic love.

I personally don't form my opinions too much based on things that are second hand. I still take them into account for sure. But I don't put too much stock into things that are via someone else on behalf of any of BTS. Because really, they can just say anything. Now don't take this as me dismissing things said, because I'm not. I'm just clarifying for everyone that I form 85% of my opinions ONLY on things that are direct from Jimin himself and based directly on Jimin's actions. Things are going to be influenced by personal bias always as well too

I’ve stated that the things the producers have said don’t really make sense in line with what Jimin has said, which is part of my confusion. But at the same time, saying “the producers are lying/wrong” when they actually know and have spoken to Jimin, is a little weird for me.

But I'm honestly more and more confused the more people talk about this album.

The producers say the album is about looking for some imaginary woman, while every song other than WHO is gender neutral. Even with WHO, we are shown a version that was gender neutral.

So why is Jimin not following that?

Most (if not all) of what I hear him talk about in relation to MUSE is gender neutral. I don’t have an issue with Jimin making love songs about women, but make it consistent with the rest of the album that THEY (Jimin and Producers) wrote then!

I could maybe see Jimin not being out to his producers (or more so with his possible relationship with Jungkook)

Now @roamingwildflower13

It is not about blurring the lines between what we think of his relationship status, it's about him as an artist. It's not fair to take his work and analyse it through a shipping lens, or as if he is Taylor Swift. He might have set a precedent for this with Face, by saying it is personal, but even then, he never gave explicit detail on those songs.

I was simply just trying to understand the concept of the album, and was confused if it was to be viewed conceptually as a whole or just the tracks that Jimin wrote (everything but WHO), after things said by both Jimin and the producers.

The only time I thought about Jikook in relation to MUSE was after contemplating if WHO was Jimin’s real feelings and if he might not be in a relationship like I had assumed.

For me also, his conversation with Namjoon is of more weight than anything else said in the recording studio, and by producers. As Stormy said, second hand narratives are not from his own words, they are an interpretation. And that is not even taking into account any translation issues, or the fact that footage from the behinds of the recording is cut in certain places, the conversation jumbled.

I have stated that Jimin and Namjoon’s conversation in MMM is a good explanation for the “work/inspiration” theory.

I went back to watch MMM immediately, and was almost horrified at how I managed to miss or maybe interpret parts of Jimin and Namjoon’d conversation differently

With this in mind, as well as the fact that BOTH Jimin and Namjoon talked about Jimin’s work, singing, and idol identity more than anything to do with love, made the idea that search for love = search for his inspiration/excitement with his art more possible

Like I said above, after going back and paying attention to what they were saying (I literally typed out the entire video to go over 💀), the search for his inspiration and a version of himself that he’s fully satisfied with seemed likely to be the concept of MUSE.

But Jimin and the producers mentioning Jimin’s difficulty with talking about romantic love confused me.

So I know a lot of people have been using the “pretend to go through experiences I haven’t had before” to explain the “looking for love” vibes of WHO, but my understanding of Jimin saying this was that it’s towards the first five tracks (where he sings about having a crush and falling in love). While both relate to it being a concept, it being about the rest of the album (the love part) does make it sound like he’s currently single.

With SGMB, the confusion for me was more about them mentioning it being about “expressing the process” and being conceptual after I had thoughts about WHO being more personal.

Now I wonder if they meant the process of falling in love.

The producers say the album is about looking for some imaginary woman, while every song other than WHO is gender neutral. Even with WHO, we are shown a version that was gender neutral.

Most (if not all) of what I hear him talk about in relation to MUSE is gender neutral. I don’t have an issue with Jimin making love songs about women, but make it consistent with the rest of the album that THEY (Jimin and Producers) wrote then!

According to the producers, the song was born out of Jimin having trouble relating to a love serenade they were trying to write initially, and thus ends up asking himself if he can ever really love someone. With the song apparently being about the reality of feeling lonely and melancholy, and asking yourself where the person for you is , it does make me think that he hasn’t been in a long term romantic relationship for years, if it’s directly about Jimin and not just the concept of the song.

I do want to take Jimin and Jungkook’s words and actions seriously, however part of what has been said about MUSE and WHO from Jimin and his producers, does make me question if I (and the rest of us) were mistaken about what the nature of their bond is.

That aside, Jimin getting ‘embarrassed’ over this is not really anything to go by, he could get shy when trying to explain to strangers, any part of his concept or feelings. Again, he is not going to tell strangers his innermost thoughts, or the actual truth of it all.

That section was me explaining WHY I felt confused/concerned about these statements Jimin made at the time of watching the Behind The Scenes for MUSE/WHO. These aren’t necessarily my final opinions nor do I think my assumptions are completely correct. My entire ask was just me going over my genuine thought process with MUSE. Not with exact conclusions, because I’m still confused.

I wanted to articulate exactly what my thoughts and concerns were, especially since this is a more serious topic regarding Jimin’s work and art, but I don’t think it came off that well before.

I’m not stuck on any of my assumptions or thoughts being the “correct” way to interpret MUSE

Looking back now, I don’t think I presented WHY I was so conflicted after that video that well in my initial ask.

I’m still confused, but I do think after reviewing things that there is more to MUSE than I think. Especially with stories and theatrics being involved in so much of the concept.

I really just want to know what MUSE is about. The misunderstanding thing was fun for like a couple days, now it just makes me anxious and stressed. But maybe it was supposed to be like this 😔

So, if you listen to his words to Joon, ‘Who’ became the song that reflected how he was feeling about his work, his passion, after Face. I think he recorded ‘Who’ in April when he was in NYC, but it also could have been March, when he was there for Fallon, but I think April. So, those were his words to Joon, that no he wasn’t really feeling ‘happy’ about his work at that time, after Face promo had ended, he literally explained this. Again, taking what he said to a close and trusted friend, about what was said in a recording studio with a translator and strangers, and second hand from producers.

BOTH the producers and I are talking about Jimin being happy about working on FACE, not MUSE. The darker topics discussed in FACE had me slightly concerned for Jimin, so to hear that he was actually happy while making FACE was relieving. That happiness about creating FACE being what inspired MUSE is part of why I am actually more committed to the “search for inspiration/excitement for work” theory. The only reason that I had/have doubts was/is Jimin and the producers mentioning Jimin not being able to relate to romantic love.

Hearing that MUSE was born after Jimin was so excited to work on music, especially considering the darker topics discussed in FACE, makes me so unbelievably happy. The songs ending up as upbeat and hopeful, even romantic, really does make sense in that context.

Pdogg: A lot of people felt depressed during the pandemic, and Jimin was no exception. He took his passion and appetite while holed up at home and channeled it into his music. I remember Jimin was so happy being in LA to record “Set Me Free Pt. 2” in the warm, sunny weather. (laughs) So it seems like working on FACE helped him feel better and helped lift his feelings. The idea behind MUSE was to express what he had felt then. That’s why all the songs ended up being upbeat and hopeful, even romantic.

While Jimin still could be working through the idea of a concept about his inspiration, when he says “It feels like someone found my diary”, to me it really did sound more personal to him than expected.

With this in mind, as well as the fact that BOTH Jimin and Namjoon talked about Jimin’s work, singing, and idol identity more than anything to do with love, made the idea that search for love = search for his inspiration/excitement with his art more possible.

If he is explaining his search for inspiration through the idea of romance, that is incredibly smart and endearing of him. It shows me how much his work and art matter to him. That he’s willing to work on bettering himself (even if I thought he was already amazing) to achieve even better results that he can truly be proud of.

With the amount of story elements, I’m considering the song being more of a way to describe his feelings about needing passion in his life than a detailed recount of his “failing love life”. It’s still his thoughts and feelings, but maybe expressed in a more digestible way for the audience.

Then the Behinds for Muse dropped….

Which led to my first ask:

https://stormblessed95.tumblr.com/post/758126579695190016/hi-ok-so-i-just-rewrote-everything-i-wanted-to

However Jimin talking about looking for love and not experiencing that, does make me question Jikook if this album is supposed to be speaking from Jimin’s personal experiences and/or thoughts.

So I know a lot of people have been using the “pretend to go through experiences I haven’t had before” to explain the “looking for love” vibes of WHO, but my understanding of Jimin saying this was that it’s towards the first five tracks (where he sings about having a crush and falling in love). While both relate to it being a concept, it being about the rest of the album (the love part) does make it sound like he’s currently single.

While Jimin still could be working through the idea of a concept about his inspiration, when he says “It feels like someone found my diary”, to me it really did sound more personal to him than expected.

Yes, technically he does LIVE ALONE or he could have been using the feeling of not having that excitement to being alone….

But I'm curious as to what he meant by “everyone’s just living alone, right?” within the context of WHO, MUSE, or even in general?

With SGMB, the confusion for me was more about them mentioning it being about “expressing the process” and being conceptual after I had thoughts about WHO being more personal.

Now I wonder if they meant the process of falling in love.

But I'm honestly more and more confused the more people talk about this album.

The producers say the album is about looking for some imaginary woman, while every song other than WHO is gender neutral. Even with WHO, we are shown a version that was gender neutral.

So why is Jimin not following that?

Most (if not all) of what I hear him talk about in relation to MUSE is gender neutral. I don’t have an issue with Jimin making love songs about women, but make it consistent with the rest of the album that THEY (Jimin and Producers) wrote then!

According to the producers, the song was born out of Jimin having trouble relating to a love serenade they were trying to write initially, and thus ends up asking himself if he can ever really love someone. With the song apparently being about the reality of feeling lonely and melancholy, and asking yourself where the person for you is , it does make me think that he hasn’t been in a long term romantic relationship for years, if it’s directly about Jimin and not just the concept of the song.

I do want to take Jimin and Jungkook’s words and actions seriously, however part of what has been said about MUSE and WHO from Jimin and his producers, does make me question if I (and the rest of us) were mistaken about what the nature of their bond is.

I think part of the reason that it's important to me to know if Jimin is legitimately saying he’s single, is that I do want to respect him and his words.

Add Letter added into that, and I am not going to state anything other than, no it is not a song for fans, it is a ‘fan’ song, for the person doing background vocals. Go talk to a wall.

First of all, watch your tone.

Secondly, I was implying that Letter wasn’t for fans 💀

Why is Closer Than This on the album? I’m desperately hoping it’s not some sick way of saying “At least I got ARMY”..... and then what is Letter for?

Especially because Jimin refers to “Closer Than This” as a letter to fans even though he already wrote one "for them"…

JM: (Closer Than This) Just think of it as a letter I’m writing to you all. It’s a song just for you.

The show being released not a month after Muse worked the opposite way to me than what you are saying in your ask. It solidified everything I already knew/thought.

I’m confused as to what you assume I thought of Are You Sure?!

Part of me was also curious if my thoughts on MUSE would change how I saw Jikook in Are You Sure. Honestly my surprise when I didn’t find anything that pointed to them breaking up or being just platonic, was nothing compared to seeing that my opinion was uncommon to quite a few in the Jikook Community….

So no, anon, Jimin does know what love is, he actually seems to love with his whole being, and it is important to him to value and care for people, he’s said this before.

NOWHERE IN MY ASK DID I SAY THAT JIMIN DOES NOT KNOW WHAT LOVE IN GENERAL IS!

I WAS REFERRING TO ROMANTIC LOVE 💀💀

Then as the track titles were revealed to be more romantic sounding, it felt like he may have used the concept of love to better articulate another deeper message. Or that he chose to write about a fictional love and focused more on vocal and production styles, in a similar way to what Jungkook did with Golden.

While watching the MMM video for the first time, I was confused because Jimin had mentioned MUSE being more vague (or conceptual) than FACE but that WHO was his “feelings” after the previous tracks. Ultimately, I took that as him wanting to write about love but not having current personal experiences to pull from, so he decided to make up a fictional love story/crush, and then WHO comes at the end being like “actually that’s not true. i’m not in love, though i want to be.”

So I know a lot of people have been using the “pretend to go through experiences I haven’t had before” to explain the “looking for love” vibes of WHO, but my understanding of Jimin saying this was that it’s towards the first five tracks (where he sings about having a crush and falling in love). While both relate to it being a concept, it being about the rest of the album (the love part) does make it sound like he’s currently single.

With SGMB, the confusion for me was more about them mentioning it being about “expressing the process” and being conceptual after I had thoughts about WHO being more personal.

Now I wonder if they meant the process of falling in love.

I’m happy though that even while in this search (whether for inspiration, satisfaction, or love) that he’s still able to be happy and content with where he is at and who he is.

It's true that conceptual doesn’t have to mean fake, but the question I’m often left with is “In what way is this album conceptual?” Is it his search for inspiration and excitement of his work through a romantic lens OR is it his search for his person through a made up love story?

The idea of most of the album being love songs about a made up relationship/crush just to be like “I’m actually single and alone!”, does frustrate me a little. Like he’s an Idol, it’s already assumed that he’s single.

According to the producers, the song was born out of Jimin having trouble relating to a love serenade they were trying to write initially, and thus ends up asking himself if he can ever really love someone. With the song apparently being about the reality of feeling lonely and melancholy, and asking yourself where the person for you is , it does make me think that he hasn’t been in a long term romantic relationship for years, if it’s directly about Jimin and not just the concept of the song.

I could maybe see Jimin not being out to his producers (or more so with his possible relationship with Jungkook), but it’s also not hard to just take him at his word (via the producers) that he’s unfamiliar with romantic love.

Jimin mentions that when he meets up with friends, they’re all feeling similarly flat. I wonder if that flatness is towards not being in a relationship or feeling uninspired with life and/or work? He goes on to say it’s not a sad or scary feeling, but it’s also not exciting. This could go for either concept (Love or Work) to be honest.

With the amount of story elements, I’m considering the song being more of a way to describe his feelings about needing passion in his life than a detailed recount of his “failing love life”. It’s still his thoughts and feelings, but maybe expressed in a more digestible way for the audience.

If he is being up front about his romantic past, then I really do hope he finds his person, whoever they might be.

I know Jimin, and all idols, needs to be careful when talking about love. It’s why I’m so confused as to why this concept, and why now? Though with Jin stating that he wrote Falling for someone, maybe this is just part of BTS being more honest and open.

A bit of mystery goes a long way when all is said and done. Potentially Knowing everything about every lyrics meaning, and picking apart the song, takes away from that somewhat. And as above, we may never know the truth of it all, in fact that is more likely, than ever knowing where Jimin is concerned honestly.

I was using what both Jimin and the Producers said about the song to form somewhat of an opinion on what the song is about and/or how it was created.

According to the producers, the song was born out of Jimin having trouble relating to a love serenade they were trying to write initially, and thus ends up asking himself if he can ever really love someone. With the song apparently being about the reality of feeling lonely and melancholy, and asking yourself where the person for you is , it does make me think that he hasn’t been in a long term romantic relationship for years, if it’s directly about Jimin and not just the concept of the song.

Jimin mentions that when he meets up with friends, they’re all feeling similarly flat. I wonder if that flatness is towards not being in a relationship or feeling uninspired with life and/or work? He goes on to say it’s not a sad or scary feeling, but it’s also not exciting. This could go for either concept (Love or Work) to be honest.

Really the only things I analyzed were the MV and the choreo.

Auto Calibration being the main one as it flashes on screen after Jimin dances with men and then leads into him dancing with women. This does give some queer vibes, and makes me interested in what “story” Jimin had in mind with WHO as the choreo also has similar vibes too.

Jimin mentioning people instead of just women as potential options when passing by is also interesting, especially when he has mostly talked about this album gender neutrally.

The billboard with SOMEONE’S EYES dropping after Jimin sings “Who is my heart waiting for?” does seem as though it's an answer for Jimin, or maybe others. Especially when WHO with NO QUESTION MARK and Keep Going are written on it. In my opinion, it does resemble Jungkook's eyes. But I find it hard to take it as a promotion of some sort when it quite literally interrupts the MV, seemingly for no reason, instead of being a poster in the back.

Then of course, there is the insane potential connection of Taeyang, someone Jimin is a known fan of and is now friends with, showcasing his then girlfriend (now wife) on a billboard in a MV….

During a Chorus part Jimin joins up with SIX OTHER MEN. I don’t know if this is supposed to be a BTS reference or just formations. But what is the point of having SIX when there is only FIVE later for the girls vs boys part? Why not just keep the seven men (including Jimin) and have seven girls? Where’d the other guy even go?

Next in Verse Two when Jimin sings about “taking her places they ain’t found yet, putting it all on the line, and being that someone she can count on”, he dances with two men. Why? Would it not be better for him to do some sort of partner choreo here?

In the bridge, he repeats “who is my heart, heart waiting for?” as he passes by BOTH WOMEN AND MEN. Sure he only tries to match with women, but he’s a kpop idol and the song uses female pronouns, so that’s expected. I’m sure the male dancers were most likely included just to have it look better, but considering Jimin saying people when talking about it, the gender neutral version of the song, and that Jimin was involved with the choreo, it’s something to consider!

Jimin also keeps mentioning the choreo feeling like a short film or musical, which makes all the film (play, pause, rewind) details in the MV fit.

I am a bit disappointed that he, once again, warned fans about him interacting with women in the choreo. Even to the point of saying “moments that you might find uncomfortable” and “please don’t be too disappointed”

The choreo has a lot of fun theatrical elements as he seems to want to express a lot of picturesque scenes, and the dance suits him while being simpler and fresh. But he’s still concerned about how to express the emotions for this song, as it isn't a sad song, but it does kind of become one towards the end.

And if THAT is what you’re going to use against me….

Which is why to me the ‘Who’ mv is important. Jimin told Joon he almost wanted a simple shoot – and I guess in a way it is, it is him dancing west side story style in a dark street. But the narrative of the mv is the giveaway. The color scheme, and the little details most people (solos) miss. The Screen is less about whose eyes they are (the eyes are most certainly a man’s eyes) but how it stops and changes Jimin’s direction and rewinds the plot. it is done with a purpose, and is almost crucial to the plot, it is not random. It is not about spoiling a future project, it is about how it changes Jimin’s direction, the tape rewinds and he goes back to the start, and voila, he no longer interacts with the female dancers, he walks past them. She is not “Who” his heart is waiting for…..

Next @akd06

As for anon, I feel kind of bad for you that you are trying so hard to understand Jimin's art, like it is an autobiographical book. No art is that way. It is always subjective.

Did you read my ask or??

Basically I thought MUSE was conceptual, Jimin AND the producers said things about Jimin in regards to romantic love that made me question if he’s been in a relationship (if they pertain directly to Jimin and not just a concept), so I decided to look more in depth at the album, WHO, the MV, and the choreo to see a better picture of what Jimin was potentially trying to say.

And there is no way I would ever use a pronoun to prove or disprove anything, especially in a song, that is their job. I hope for you that you can relax and just enjoy their beautiful voices and kind souls.💜

UMMMM????

I know people (antis) are going on about pronouns, but honestly I already think Jimin is queer or bisexual, so writing a love song about a woman or with female pronouns doesn’t negate that (especially since we’ve seen a version where the lyrics were gender neutral). Until Jimin outright says he has never and will never have romantic feelings towards a man, I’m under the assumption that he may be bisexual (regardless of if he wants a male or female partner).

I KNOW IT’S LONG, BUT DON’T SPEAK UNLESS YOU’VE READ MY ASK FULLY PLS 😃

I’ve seen the many anons that were spamming your and other Jikookers’ inboxes the second WHO and MUSE released because “OMG Jimin said she/her!! He’s single and looking for a woman to love!” became the newest narrative.

While I do think it would be perfectly okay for him to want a female partner, it does make me slightly upset and sad, that people resorted to being homophobic and honestly misogynistic as a response. There is a way to discuss Jimin's potential romantic partners without being nasty to queer fans or possibly invalidating Jimin’s identity (especially since it is not likely that he’d ever fully come out (if he is queer/bi) in the way most people think nor want, given where he lives and his line of work).

Even the way people were talking about women was questionable. Going on about how it is outrageous for Jimin to deny himself the chance to be with a woman, have a biological family, and overall is wasting himself on Jungkook (if they are in a romantic relationship).

Making women out to be objects for men to use and only worth making/raising families, the homophobic rhetoric towards the longevity of queer relationships and same sex parents, as well as the blatant disrespect to Jungkook (that he’s “not enough” or “not right” for Jimin). If someone thinks that Jikook are nothing but platonic friends, that is perfectly fine. But to degrade their bond, as well as Jimin and Jungkook’s characters, is just unnecessarily cruel.

The producers say the album is about looking for some imaginary woman, while every song other than WHO is gender neutral. Even with WHO, we are shown a version that was gender neutral.

Most (if not all) of what I hear him talk about in relation to MUSE is gender neutral. I don’t have an issue with Jimin making love songs about women, but make it consistent with the rest of the album that THEY (Jimin and Producers) wrote then!

So is he not LOOKING FOR A WOMAN? Or is he not SINGLE?

Is the album not about his LOVE LIFE but his work?

Because ANY of those would actually make more sense to misunderstand.

Auto Calibration being the main one as it flashes on screen after Jimin dances with men and then leads into him dancing with women. This does give some queer vibes, and makes me interested in what “story” Jimin had in mind with WHO as the choreo also has similar vibes too.

Jimin mentioning people instead of just women as potential options when passing by is also interesting, especially when he has mostly talked about this album gender neutrally.

During a Chorus part Jimin joins up with SIX OTHER MEN. I don’t know if this is supposed to be a BTS reference or just formations. But what is the point of having SIX when there is only FIVE later for the girls vs boys part? Why not just keep the seven men (including Jimin) and have seven girls? Where’d the other guy even go?

Next in Verse Two when Jimin sings about “taking her places they ain’t found yet, putting it all on the line, and being that someone she can count on”, he dances with two men. Why? Would it not be better for him to do some sort of partner choreo here?

In the bridge, he repeats “who is my heart, heart waiting for?” as he passes by BOTH WOMEN AND MEN. Sure he only tries to match with women, but he’s a kpop idol and the song uses female pronouns, so that’s expected. I’m sure the male dancers were most likely included just to have it look better, but considering Jimin saying people when talking about it, the gender neutral version of the song, and that Jimin was involved with the choreo, it’s something to consider!

If he is being up front about his romantic past, then I really do hope he finds his person, whoever they might be.

Now I’m a little confused on where I stand, and knowing what MUSE and WHO are about in relation to Jimin would help. I know you obviously can’t know exactly. But I’m hoping I’ll get something other than “Jikook is real! Stop doubting them! You’re projecting your internalized homophobia!” OR “Jikook isn’t real! Jimin is straight and looking for a woman!”

@queenofsweden

Can I weigh in on the tiny part about the tarot and the devil perspective!?

Firstly, it is not that Jimin thinks his relationship is the devil, or he views it negatively in terms of his feelings, it’s that he knows it has the potential to harm them, if anything were to be exposed. And he’s right, unfortunately, it’s very likely to impact them if they were exposed.

To me in a way, this perspective could somewhat explain the need to use a song like Who, or a concept for love songs as if he’s never been in love. It’s why they are all single. Especially if they are queer they would need a way to protect that, and with the release of the show, more so. The show could have exposed them a whole lot more than it did, but I guess it helps (again sadly) that half the fandom are tkkrs, and the others are made up of homophobes and others are ignorant solos.

I personally don’t feel like it’s ok to project outcomes from tarot readings that were done without the person being read for present nor without their permission or knowledge.

I don't think this much of a reply and more of me just copy and pasting my other ask 💀

If anyone actually cares, my final thoughts with MUSE as of February 8, 2025 are that it may be about how he felt excited to work on music (FACE) detailed through the first "crush/love" tracks and then after he had difficulty post FACE promotions, WHO comes in with him still struggles with finding inspiration and love for his art.

Still confused about the not relating to romantic love part...

Thank you so much for the response Storm 💜

— (Not So) Nice MUSE Anon 🎨

In response to this post:

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, you even dated this so we really know how long I made you wait 😅 I just finally went and checked my inbox again.

This is turning less into a civil discussion and more into infighting from various sources which I am not loving getting into. So I'll post this, so you don't feel like I'm cutting you off. But I'll probably say for this particular avenue of discussion, I'm going to not post anymore.

🎨 Anon, im more than happy to continue discussing this topic with you in DMs. I'm also more than happy to post asks from you and discuss things with you over different things. I'm sorry that some of my replies back in the last post felt a little short. I only replied to the parts that I felt I had anything to say about. I didn't just want to go "ahh I see" to everything. Lol I promise I did read it and while there might've been parts that I still disagreed with partly, I felt like I didn't need to just keep repeating myself as I said most of it in our first post response and I didn't have anything new to add, Idk how else to say my thoughts other than how I already have in either our first post or the last one linked above. But I'm sorry if it came across like I misunderstood your words or didn't fully read your message. I promise I did!

As for everyone else responding, I can understand the frustration in being like "did you even read what I said" so I get that. I'm not wanting to get into any arguments with anyone or any further frustrations. I just don't have the mental bandwidth to deal with that right now. So if you want to have further correspondence with the other blogs, I'd recommend contacting them directly to continue to talk, either through DMs or if they have anons on as well there.

I still think you are nice. And I hope EVERYONE involved in this post, has a really wonderful rest of their day and hopefully we can all continue to have respectful agree to disagree conversations about things more in the future 💜💜

[emmitaaa4]

Addressing some fandom BS inconsistencies

Gwyn was shadow mommy, Az was shadow daddy, they were gonna have shadow babies with her extra super pliable bones.

I audibly chocked when I read this @nikethestatue (btw everything said in this post was on point). No but seriously this is how they sound, too many of them insisting that there is nothing wrong with basing the likelihood of a ship on who has the more suitable uterus to be with a man... cause supposedly they're just picking up on the hints SJM wrote for them? She likes babies for HEAs so ofc children are the end all be all of a relationship, plus there's absolutely no way that she could ever write an adoption plot SJM is literally adopted and has done it in other series. Selective reading strikes again.

A minimum amount of critical thinking would tell you that 1) the infamous *magical uterus change* scene was about nessian (& feysand), not about any ship; 2) if SJM had written Nesta changing Elain's uterus, it would have given too much away, not to mention 3) how disturbing/violating it would have been for Nesta to change her sister's reproductive anatomy WITHOUT HER CONSENT?! None of it makes sense narratively; my girl Nes would never, especially given the trauma they both suffered from having their bodily autonomy--and so much more--ripped away by the Cauldron.

This argument is so trivialized that I see it every other day on reddit/tiktok/*insert media app*, and yet elriels are the toxic side of the fandom? The ones whom people are allowed to insult, to ridicule for theories all made in good fun, the women that are villainized over a difference of opinion? Don't get me wrong, there's assholes on both sides and people keep calling one another variations of delulu (and the nastier personal attacks). But by painting this fandom-wide villain there is such a lack of accountability for the plethora of harmful talking points spread by other portions of the fandom. (I've been silently reading the anti-elain & anti-elriel tags for like a year, and I'm on tiktok. Yes, I have self-destructive tendencies).

Anyways.

I never understood either how people ever actually thought (or well still think) that gwynriel would happen BEFORE elucien?? It makes no sense logically, narratively, or in terms of characterization & the arc she's set up for Elain, Azriel, and Lucien. Yet it took one controversial bonus chapter for people to decenter Elain in her own story, that is make her choice of romantic partner--which SJM spent 3+ books setting up--Azriel's. It took one bonus chapter that soo many readers are still unaware of, to brush Elain off as a "sexual object" Az is using to distract himself until his therapist-extraordinaire Gwyn comes in and heals him all up. Because ofc she will: she's badass and not the "passive and weak and boring" Eplain (aka "Plant" or "brain dead gardener"), she fits the YA archetype of the spunky warrior-girl so she can handle his darkness, and SJM supposedly spent time fleshing her out because she wrote her as a LI for Azriel; she's made for him, she is what he needs to grow (I actually enjoyed Gwyn's character btw, just pointing out how silly it all sounds). “Next book is a love triangle between Elain/Az/Gwyn” “Elain will turn evil or is secretly evil”. So you're telling me that SJM would pit Elain & Gwyn against each other in a love triangle over a man... all because of a necklace that was not even mentioned once in the actual books? Please, let's be logical for a second.

All this because instead of reading the bonus chapter in the context of the books, some people are reading the books in the context of the bonus chapter. Which now that I think of it is probably why so many people mischaracterize Az the way they do--because yes we know enough of his character to know half of the stuff the fandom diagnoses him with is questionable. Azriel? Entitled incel x fuckboy hybrid (gotta be the first of his kind, minute slay ig)? Interesting tell me more. No joke I saw a semi-popular post on here where a gwynriel said they read the bonus WITHOUT HAVING READ ANY OF THE BOOKS. I'm sorry, ship wars are silly and believe it or not idc who ppl ship, but it makes it hard to take some of the things they say seriously.

All this to say that the fandom isn't even debating the right thing. If you consider everything SJM has said in her interviews:

(she's been planting seeds for Nesta & Elain's book since acomaf; she knows who she is writing the first 2 books about + is keeping things open for the 3rd one--with 5 different ship options--which automatically rules out "Elain will close the series"; she said she's doing research for Elain's book in the ACOFAS bonus & there's seeds for future bookS in acofas; all she said recently about her beloved *heroines* and the themes of fate/true love/choice she finds *very* interesting & wants to discuss)

and if you also consider all she's written in the actual books (elain's characterization + the overarching plot in general & how she fits into it), then it's pretty evident that Elain's book is next.

The question then would be who is the MMC / 2nd PoV in her book, aka would acotar 5 be an elucien or an elriel story? Because logically, gwynriel was always a consequence of elucien. I honestly do not understand how people don't see that.

Oh and they always think they're gagging elriels with the "obviously Azriel is the next MC" as if elriels aren't saying the same thing? And we're the ones twisting info and not making sense. It's just funny at this point.

---sidenote: I realize that this post generalizes some things, and I just wanted to say that I have interacted with lovely eluciens / people on either side of this headache of a ship war. My hard limit is Elain haters though... back off I say 🤺 BACK OFF 🤺

---sidenote 2: I would have written this as a reblog except im not entirely sure how tumblr works and I get no visibility from them rip.

[mischiefprincess]

Being on lokius tt was fun for some time

So, when Loki s2 came out I was hanging out w some lokius shippers bc I thought some of them had some cool analysis about the show and about Loki as a character, however as time passes I realize they're getting more and more lost in their own interpretations and their own headcanons that they consider to be canon at this point, I'm being honest, I have nothing against lokius but let's face reality: they're just not happening, it'll never be canon and that's okay, the timing for Loki to find a romantic partner is gone, if it was going to happen it had to be on his show bc I don't think marvel will use their avengers movies to focus on any romance between any characters, let alone lokius that it's not even a thing in canon lol

But the thing is, they seem really convinced that not only lokius is already canon (yeah, some of them are just like that) but they also think their reunion is a big thing that marvel is building up to, and i'm not saying Loki and Mobius will never see each other again but if they do it won't be this big thing they're expecting it to be, the brodinsons reunion is way more expected and I'm not even sure we'll get it lol

And i'm really not trying to be mean to lokius shippers but I feel they're going down the same path the sylkis went after s1, they got what they wanted from their ship (lokius not so much but still) and then they started to get more and more deep into their analysis and hcs and started to forget what's canon and what's not, when the next movies drop and Mobius doesn't show up in it and when Loki shows up and has a plot that has nothing to do with romance they'll lose it, they'll act just like the sylkis did with s2 and they'll say marvel ruined the greatest love story they ever made (lol), they'll say they don't care about Loki and Mobius separately and they just want them back if they get together in the end, they'll say marvel did a MASSIVE build up after s2 just to throw it all away as if it was nothing simply bc they are just too deep into their hcs and can't separate canon from fanon anymore and they'll say marvel ruined their lives and also ruined their only source of happiness ever, they're developing a toxic dependance on their ship and when things don't go the way they want they'll freak out and hell will break lose on their side of twitter

I really wish people would just interact normally with the stuff they consume, but it seems like everyone who likes a ship suddenly loses all senses and can only see things from the perspective of the ship and every little interaction between the two characters is read through the shipping lenses, it goes to a point where if Mobius doesn't lie to Loki about timeslipping being terrible is not because Mobius as a character just has no reason to lie to his friend at that point, not to mention he was trying to calm Loki down from his anxiety attack, ofc he wouldn't just say right to Loki's face how bad timeslipping really was at first, but no, Mobius didn't lie because they're on a point in their relationship where they simply can't lie to each other anymore bc their love is so strong and pure (lmao), it may sound like i'm nitpicking but really, it starts with these little things and slowly they start to live in their own bubble where everything must be analysed with the shipping glasses on and then the characters are reduced to being half of a ship and nothing more

Not to mention how they're placing all their bets on a tva spin-off that probably is just the comic they announced last week or so, again, I'm not trying to be mean but who the hell would watch a show about the tva and only the tva????????? What else is there to tell about them? They're going to show them working in their little cubicles and eating pie in the automat? If Kang was still the big bad I could see them expanding more on the tva but with him gone I don't think there's that much to explore about the tva anymore, I don't see them having that much protagonism in this saga and if they appear it will just be something small and in the background like Deadpool and Wolverine, watching them recruit heroes to fight the multiversal war seems pointless now that there won't be one (I know Doom will be a threat but I don't see him inheriting the multiversal saga plot from Kang, they'll give him his own thing imo) anyway, I think the tva is likely to stay irrelevant in this saga (and that doesn't mean that Loki will be irrelevant, some people think that somehow Loki depends on the tva to stay relevant but lol, just no) and if they appear it will just be something small but they're getting their hopes so high for this hipotetical spin-off that I fear how their reactions will be when they realize it's just not happening (but idk, marvel could announce it in d23 and surprise everyone, still, I doubt it)

All this to say that it really seems like shippers can't enjoy things normally, they have to make everything be about their ship (hipotetical or not) and they slowly loose grip on what's canon and what's fanon, they isolate themselves in their bubbles where they only get positive reinforcement thanks to their delusions and sooner than they realize they have a whole made up version of the characters and the show in their heads that doesn't align with what the show was in the first place, sadly the tendence is for them to only get worse and I really wish that wasn't the case but now they even seem to think that everyone involved in the making of s2 including Tom Hiddleston himself is a lokius shipper (???????????????????) And that lokius was confirmed canon in what they call the og s2 ep5 that was scrapped early in filming or so, the fact that they stalked the crew and their likes when s2 was airing only made them more certain of it, if Rafael Casal likes a post talking about Brad it's not bc he's happy they're talking about his character, no, is bc he endorses their view on the show and he's validating them and their interpretations, same thing as Eric Martin or some random editor that liked what people were talking about the episode he worked in, to them a like equals validation bc they desperately want to cling to any crumbs they can get of it

I'm not making this post to say people should stop shipping lokius or anything, I just wish the shippers could separate canon from fanon and that they would stop reducing a show that had so many themes to being a love story that didn't even happen in the first place, I still enjoy lokius and read fics of them every once in a while, I'm not here to police what people ship or not, I just wanted to write this bc some of these thoughts have been stuck in my chest for months now and I really needed to let them out.

At the end of the day I wish the Loki fandom in twitter wasn't split between those two ships and was more focused on Loki himself but unfortunately that's not the case, I can only hope that when Loki shows up again they don't find a way to reduce him to being part of a ship bc he always was and always will be so much more than that.