#obey me the nightbringer
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emmys-grimoire Ā· 2 years ago
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The Nightbringer, how lesson 9-A tells us everything, and why itā€™s (probably) not Barb
Iā€™m working on lesson 3 summary, but now that a good portion of the fanbase seems to have gotten through lesson 10, I feel itā€™s timely to get my thoughts out there ahead of covering lesson 10 because the story will likely continue before Iā€™m done.
And I think a lot of you are ignoring some of the contextual clues.
Donā€™t read this if you donā€™t want lesson 8+ spoiled yet.
Ahead of the game releasing, most of the fanbase thought the prologue was a peek into how Barbatos met Solomon because it matched up with the lore in the OG game and Solomon was narrating. There were also other hints that Barb was behind things via promotional media and art. Pair that with his well-known time travel abilities, and it all seems very straightforward and obvious.
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We learn in lesson 8, though, that the boy in the prologue video isnā€™t Solomon -- itā€™s Adam, and itā€™s heavily implied that heā€™s Lilithā€™s lover.
This fact alone doesnā€™t actually change much beyond the implied relationship between the Nightbringer and Solomon. It is relevant that Solomon is narrating, though, because they do have a significant relationship.
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In lesson 9-A (and the node in lesson 10 thatā€™s a continuation), which I have not gotten to myself yet, Solomon has a telling conversation with the Nightbringer after being confronted with illusions of Diavolo and Simeon meant to test his resolve. Theyā€™re squabbling over him, the obvious metaphor for humanity.
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Solomon chooses neither, because he believes humanity doesnā€™t need either demons or angels guiding them. This is meant to mirror a choice he made in the past, as the self-appointed steward of humanity.
And furthermore, back then... the Nightbringer was likely one of the advocates of one of these sides. Furthermore,Ā whatever this agreement he made with the Nightbringer is meant to ensure his ā€œfreedomā€, even though...
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The Nightbringer clearly wanted him to choose one of the presented sides, not neither. So which side was he on? He reveals his hand here, too, if you read into it far enough.
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Why on earth would Solomon make this retort if the Nightbringer was actually a demon? If he was a demon, of course heā€™d be acting like one. Itā€™d be no surprise, and certainly not considered an insult.
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We got an angel who acts like a demon. This conversation doesnā€™t make any sense otherwise.
The Nightbringer is an angel? But thatā€™s CRAZY!
Is it?
Is it really?
Thereā€™s one angel in particular who has a similar connection to Solomon as Barbatos, who has also had a significant role in his past: Michael.
We find out in the dream sequence flashback in S3 that Michael was eyeballing Solomon before the Great Celestial War. We know heā€™s the one who fished us out of that sequence, and warned us that the effect we had on the brothers past selves will carry on into the present (though admittedly this never manifests later). We find out he approached Solomon when he was lost and confused and we know he gave him his Ring of Wisdom, which grants the power to control demons. We find out in Nightbringer that Solomon waged war against the entire Devildom in an effort to leverage his newfound power to better humanityā€™s position. We learn that war was ultimately inconclusive. At numerous point in the story, Michael is referred to as aĀ ā€œdemon in disguiseā€ and a sadist like Lucifer.
We donā€™t know why Michael would give his very powerful ring to Solomon, but it likely was part of some agreement.
What doesnā€™t line up with this theory is a lack of motivation. I have no idea why Michael would want us to fling us back to this point of time, after the war. It sounds like heā€™d want to prevent the war entirely. Adam also meets the Nightbringer in the Devildom, and I canā€™t see the Devildom allowing Michael to just waltz in and meddle with things, particularly after the Great Celestial War. Iā€™m not sure why theyā€™d let any of them in, but I digress...
The other small details
Thereā€™s other small details strewn throughout the story that point to an angel, or at least someone that isnā€™t Barb.
Adam says he heard trumpets heralding the Nightbringerā€™s arrival. The king in the prologue also blows a trumpet.
You know what trumpets are associated with? Angels. According to this wikipedia article:
ā€œIn Christian Eschatology, all the first six trumpets are used to serve as a wake up call to the sinners on Earth and a call to repentance. Each trumpet blast brings with it a plague of a more disastrous nature than the one before it. The trumpet is used to build anticipation and tells the reader that an alert, announcement, or warning is about to take place. The seventh trumpet does not bring a plague with it. Rather, it is sounded so that glory is given to God and His kingdom is announced.ā€
Thereā€™s a bunch of other biblical associations, too. Barbatos has no trumpet symbolism in any point in the story. His callsign is portals.
Additionally, Barbatos interacts with time via doors.
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The Nightbringer sees time as mud, which just might be the liquid swirling around in the Nightbringer trailer.
Who is the king?
The prologue implies that the Nightbringer is summoned via trumpets, and the trumpet is blown by a king. The Barbatos puppeteering art implies itā€™s a human king, but Iā€™m not so sure.
Understanding who the king is may be instrumental in figuring out who the Nightbringer is. Is it a human king? Is it King Solomon? Is it the Demon King? Is it God? Is it someone completely different? It implies the Nightbringer acts at the behest of someone else, but so far it doesnā€™t sound like he is right now. And if heā€™s acting against Solomon, it would be quite problematic if he was tethered to him via a pact like Barbatos clearly is.
My conclusion
Itā€™s either Michael and his motivations are simply more complex than I give him credit for, or itā€™s another angelic being that has gone rogue without falling somehow. Iā€™m leaning towards the latter, honestly. Iā€™d be really happy if we got a multi-season big bad.
It could still be an alternative timeline Barbatos if Barbatos was once an angel, and this is an angel Barb which has managed to avoid falling and doesnā€™t have the door motif thing going on.Ā 
This is kind of why I hate time travel shenanigans. You have to account for so many damn possibilities that it gets tiresome having to sort through it all.
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y00mies Ā· 3 months ago
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back to my roots
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shitty-obeyme-aus Ā· 2 months ago
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gluttiny Ā· 3 months ago
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{never enough}
(t: i'm hungry, ouch!)
chaos, inside and out.
!updated! sorry, fixed his stripes.
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kokopati Ā· 3 months ago
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pov you're a rat or solomon and you're in danger
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ibukiful Ā· 1 month ago
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kagaririn Ā· 4 months ago
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squeakyducky Ā· 3 months ago
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Favouritism is real
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an1ika Ā· 4 months ago
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help me please
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springgonyoyos Ā· 5 months ago
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Actually dying what in the world am I doing, this meme was too funny
Have another cracked meme, please enjoy thank you orz
(And no way am I drawing Lucifer again, so png it was)
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akuzondotcom Ā· 6 months ago
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Someone has probs done this before and itā€™s an old meme but oh well- I just wanted an excuse to draw MC
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corvus-for-ddd Ā· 7 months ago
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avonyxx Ā· 1 year ago
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The bros drew themselves šŸ¦…šŸ¦…šŸ¦…šŸ«“šŸ«“šŸ«“
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asterronomical Ā· 6 months ago
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Just two demons. hangin out....... this is what the inside of my brain looks like if ur wondering
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inlovewithl3vi Ā· 2 months ago
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It wasnā€™t uncommon for the brothers to crawl into your bed at night, usually almost every night at least one of them would end up in your bed.
So when your bedroom door slowly creaked open you thought nothing of it. You just assumed someone couldnā€™t sleep, or maybe they had a nightmare and wanted to be near you.
Until you heard a familiar voice speak up.
ā€œMC, Iā€™m sorry to bother you at this time but I-ā€œ
Itā€™s Barbatos, someone very unlikely to come in your room at night. You cut him off by pulling back the blankets and inviting him to come in your bed.
ā€œItā€™s fine, you donā€™t have to explain if you donā€™t want to.ā€
It was rare to see him like this, in his pajamas with his hair slightly messy probably from laying in his bed trying to sleep before coming over here.
He lays down in bed next to you, allowing himself to get comfortable under the blankets.
You curl up against him, sighing contently as you begin to feel yourself drift off to sleep again.
Although it was slightly surprising to see one of the most proper demons come in your room at night seeking comfort, you canā€™t help but feel a little happy so many people can find comfort in you.
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luxthestrange Ā· 6 months ago
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Obey me!Memes #190
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Sorcerer Mc Introducing their Demon Bf while in his truest form glaring down at the sorcerers who dare to be mean to you-
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