#neutralship safe

[domesticatedfemcel]

selfshippers!

send a still/panel/whatever of your f/o interacting with another character, along with an image of your s/i, and i'll try my best to edit the other character into your s/i!!!

~~ antis please kindly don't interact with this post ~~

!! proship and neutralship safe! !!

[demonic-shadowlucifer]

A few days ago I started a survey intending to document the experiences others have had while partaking in shipcourse. After going through responses of the first survey, and after reading some critiques and questions yall wanted to know, I think it's time to share the second and final survey of my research!

As usual, please be civil in the reblogs. This is an open discussion. Tagging for visibility: @proship-anti-discussion @proshippers-against-censorship @olderthannetfic

Like with the last survey, this one will remain open for three or four days. Also, you guys are allowed to send in asks detailing your experiences with either side, in case you don't feel like going through the survey.

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What is Neutralship?

Neutralship, often known as ship-neutral, refers to those who are "neutral" or unconcerned with shipcourse. They may be pro- or anti-leaning, or completely unaligned.

Neutralship also means your anti harassment. That implies you will not bother someone about their fandom preferences, or pass judgment on their fantasies or ships.

Neufic - those who identify as neufic may be pro- or anti-leaning, or wholly unaligned; they are neutral on fiction and do not engage in ship discourse

And for short, we are called newts.

The purple flags are peacefic. The pink is neutralship.

Peacefic Emoji combos - ☮🦢, ☮📖, 🌈☮, 🌈🦢, 🦢🌙,

Neutralship emoji combos - 🎀 🫧, 🎀🌙 , 🫧🎀 , 🌈🎀, 🌈 🫧, 🌈🌙

Neufic emoji combos-  💎 🦋, 🌈💎, 💍🦋

[heathersproship]

Antis are so fucking pressed they can’t shorten proshippers to pros the way we can shorten antishippers to antis because being pro is (generally) a good thing, so they say “proships” instead. And, like their entire ideology, it makes no fucking sense.

You don’t see anyone referring to a single ship as “an antiship” or saying “Antiships don’t interact!” because it makes no goddamn sense. It’s not a fucking noun! But people can be antiship. Like how people can be big or small, or skinny or fat, or smart or dumb.

Wait

If proshippers are pro

And antishippers are anti

Does that make neutrals newts?

[leitereads]

Nobody gives a fuck (including myself), but anyway:

I am not a shipper. I don't ship fictional characters. I couldn't care less about who fictional characters are fucking. I couldn't care less about who you want fictional characters to fuck. I couldn't care less about the sexuality of many fictional characters (not that I don't think it isn't important for representation purposes though).

The point is: you want to ship something considered "problematic" or "controversial"? Go ahead, I couldn't care less. I can block tags if there is something I reeeeeally don't like/don't want to see. I am not a pro-shipper, because I am not even a shipper myself. But if people want to ship and they are not doing anything illegal, I really couldn't care less. Make sure to tag stuff accordingly, so people can block tags they feel uncomfortable with though. It's common sense.

Just let me watch/read the fuck I want in peace and leave me the hell out of any discussions that may arise because of shipping.

[docmenlonhead]

“Class of ‘09” is a Visual Novel for Antis (but not the pure kind)

Please note that this was made out of during the discourse involving controversal contents involving minors. This was out of an lack of proper understanding of the Shipping discourse and the definition of pro shippers. Please note that I’m against purity culture and the call for the sanatization of the online space, but I do advocate the proper use of content tags and ratings (like in Ao3 and Newgrounds).

l mediaI know it sounds strange, but I’m starting to believed that “Class of ‘09”encapsulates everything wrong with Visual Novels; Namely, ones that depicts teens in questionable situations.

For the uninitiated, “Class of ‘09” (not to be confused with the television show of the same name) is a visual novel created by the team behind the abridged series “Batman Beyond Ill”, which is where that meme about the glass ceiling of oppressed gamers came from. It’s there you play as Nicole, a self proclaimed Sociopathic teenager who has to to survive the last two years in high school before graduation; all while having to navigate through the constant cat calls from her peers and superiors, along with the misogyny and racism that permeates the schools of the southwest United States in the late 2000s. Despite the grim premise and subject matter, like drug use, manipulations, and self-harm (all of which can be enacted by Nicole), it’s often depicted as a “Dark Comedy”, thanks to the clever writings of scenarios and the brilliant delivery of the voice actors within the game itself.  It was because to that, many look up to the trouble teen as she’s the embodiment of the cruel societal system that normalized those kinds of “problematic behaviors”.

It was through her I would like to make her a poster child of AntiShipping and Lewding; namely anything that involves minors in some capacity. Like she often kick Jeremy’s (the school’s Weeb) fantasies down both out of disgust and self-gratitude. That and to make fun of her creepy older brother (who’s an adult, by the way). Here what I believed she will  say to ProShippers if she were to interact with them:

“So you aged them up? It doesn’t denote the fact that you wanted to fuck them!”

“Just because they’re both teens and fucking doesn’t make it any less gross that you depict it in explicit detail, you sicko!”

“‘Oh it’s imaginary, it didn’t hurt anyone’. Well, imagine my fist in your face!”

“Try telling that to your Mom. I bet she’ll send you to therapy before someone call the police and have you registered as a sex offender”

We need a mean girl who went through countless sexual harassment from both her superiors and peers to state what’s wrong with how teens are depicted in adult media these days.

[taking-your-hand]

Hi! Welcome to a cozy haven, made for YOU! 😁

I made this because I want to offer a place for people who feel despised in fandom to take refuge. Specifically, people who have been, are being, or even fear being dogpiled/ostracized for their art, fan interests, or association with anything accused of being ""proship"".

And to be clear right off the bat: I generally understand "proship" to just mean the belief that one can indulge in fiction about horrible things without necessarily being horrible themselves. Proship is a belief. But a lot of people accuse things of being "proship" too (for example, calling a fictional pairing "a proship" or calling the act of indulging in taboo kinks "proshipping"), because the people who attack what they perceive as "proship" believe that proship means "content that endorses pedophilia/incest/abuse/etc." and/or "supporters of those things".

And frankly, at this point, the label is useless, but I just want people to know, in no uncertain terms, that this is absolutely not an, "uwu you were criticized for being a child predator, lemme support youwuwu" blog. I especially have to make this clear because some of the people I intend to give support to do not identify as proshippers, so they might genuinely have a different interpretation of what that word means and then get the wrong idea of what I'm saying, ya know?

Anyway!

You do not have to be a proshipper or enjoy taboo fiction to send an ask. In fact, I made this with neutral- and anti-shippers in mind, because fandom bullies absolutely do not discriminate. I've seen them attack totally sfw, non-shippy art. I've seen them attack other "antis". And I know there are some people out there who are mostly in anti circles and are afraid of stepping out of line. I know there are people who do not like dead dove content and have no desire to make it, who still get attacked. People who actively go after others to appease their friends, and still get attacked. People whose first language isn't English, who get attacked for not conforming to American cultural standards.

But here, you are safe from all of that.

You do not have to out yourself. You can give as much or as little detail as you want, to keep your identity safe. And I will listen and be here for you, and try to provide links to other understanding spaces too.

Whether you want to vent about being in a sticky situation with your friend group, or want advice or new perspectives, or want to send positivity to other followers of this blog, or if you just want me to share your GoFundMe or something... I'll try to give everyone a spot!

Unfortunately, I do have to set some boundaries so that I don't hurt myself. I wish there didn't have to be any limits on how much support I can give you, but I can't emotionally handle talking people through things like a therapist would. That's why I chose to make a blog instead of opening my DMs. Asks and Answers are my sort-of middle ground. For that reason, I can't have extended conversations about this in DMs, but I will answer your asks with as much care as I can.

I want to reach out and help, I really do. But I'm just as messed up as everyone else and I need to take care of myself, or else how will I even help others? ovo

If you also have friends who will support you for who you are, I strongly encourage you to reach out to them too! My friends and loved ones have been wonderful to me when I've gone through awful times, and even when I've made genuinely bad mistakes, and I've made massive strides in self-improvement partially due to their support!

Thank you for reading, and welcome to the blog!

─── ･ ｡ﾟ☆: *.☽ .* :☆ﾟ. ───

Here's a set of resources for people who have been harassed online.

For proshippers, there's a server called Profiction Hub that directs to other servers, all of which are proship-friendly, but may have other rules that don't fit your needs (such as some being anti-endo and some having a maximum age cap). Only some of them have either of these rules btw. One server is even open to neutral-shippers as well.

[definitionoffernweh]

Figured I'd add:

Some things to note as well:

1. There are bad people on both sides but most of the horrendous bs comes from antis, not proshippers. To deny that, is to either be ignorant or stupid. With that being said, shitty proshippers are part of the problem, so fuck you specifically to them.

2. This shit is objectively stupid, and chronically online. I only care cause it's baked into fandom at this point, I run a fandom blog and a lot of my values line up with the pro side. The Anti-Censorship of some proshippers (similarly to the "Save Morality" of some antis) is annoying to see on posts about people fighting over pixels on a screen. It's not end all be all that deep even if there is some correlation.

3. Pro vs anti is essentially black and white thinking. People who say "everything's okay except ___" need to pick a side because this is not a nuanced topic. Either everything's okay or nothing at all. Neuship and peacefic are pretty much useless stances in context, but I've found myself agreeing with a lot of them regarding "this stuff is dumb" or "this isn't fun for me to engage in so I'm taking myself out of the conversation".

Proship, at it's very core, is a combination of four general principles--

Ship And Let Ship

Your Kink Is Not My Kink And That's Okay

Don't Like, Don't Read/Dead Dove: Do Not Eat

The Golden Rule - Treat others the way you wish to be treated.

That's it. That's all there is to it. That is what proship means. These things used to be common sense. I guess it's not so common anymore.

[huntinglove]

are we allowed to interact if we're neutralship and/or a secret proshipper but technically interact with antis (but don't agree on their views at all)? don't wanna overstep any boundaries 🙏

It's complicated, nonny... I'm fine with secret proshippers interacting with my blog but I don't feel comfortable with it if you interact with many antis.

I say this because whenever this happens I get a massive wave of harassment and hateful comments/asks. And considering that I'm already dealing with a stalker who's made 13+ accounts just to torment me, I'd greatly appreciate it if I could avoid more trouble with "safe"shippers and their community in general.

[neutral-ship-culture]

Neutralship culture is IDing as neutralship just to be safe because you have no idea what any given person considers to be 'pro' or 'anti' nowadays. And then you STILL get shit because each side is convinced you're secretly part of the opposite group. 🙃 tbh I just stay the fuck outta public discourse. I'll still discuss ship dynamics and stuff with close friends, but we don't use pro/anti labels because again, it's confusing as fuck. All that said, thanks for this blog. Feeling SUPER validated right now. Hope you have an amazing day!

Thank you and I hope you have a nice day too.

Honestly, I feel you. I don't really put the fact that I'm neutralship on majority of my accounts for this reason. Tumblr is really the only place that knows so that people don't assume (doesn't always work, like you mention)

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MEW STIMBOARD

I got the gifs on pinterest credit to whoever made the stim gifs

Neutralship and peacefic users please interact! Also stimboard requests are open! ^_^

[proship-safe-area]

Is this a safe heaven for neutralshippers? Depends on the kind:

-Are you the too scared to get publicly harassed because you're proship neutralshipper?

-Are you the neutralshipper that leans with proship views?

-Are you the asshole neutralshipper who says "both sides are bad"?

-Are you the neutralshipper who doesn't wanna get into "fandom" discourse when people are killing themselves over this?

If you are the lower half, this is not a safe space for you. If you think being anti-harassment is just as bad as bullying, you're an asshole. I'm just saying. And if you decide to call yourself neutral because you don't wanna get into "fandom discourse", you're also an asshole. You think both sides are scary because look up to the prior, so you ignore it completely.

[lovesick-syrup-selfships]

Guess who finally finished their proship selfship server!!! I don’t wanna post the link publically for security reasons, but if you want an invite to the server, just dm me!

Though some fair warnings for the server:

There is alot of channels, and I like to keep things organized, and wanted to make sure there was a channel for everything.

On the other hand, there are no discourse channels and I do not want any sort of discourse brought into the server, no particular reasons, I just feel like sense the main point of the server is a safe space for proship/neutralship selfshippers, that giving it a channel for discourse wouldn’t be good, there are blacklist channels, but even there I don’t want any discourse brought up.

With that being said, I’d also prefer to keep sysmeds and transmeds out of the server, seeing as I am the host to a multigenic system and I am pro-mogai, I just can’t see it going well for there to be any sysmeds or transmeds in the server

But yeah, other than that, if you’re interested in joining, please dm me, and I’ll send you an invite link!

[problematic-menhera-aesthetics]

I'll make a carrd later, but for now an about post.

Call me mod Alistair (or just Alistair if you want, or my other names if you know me from elsewhere). He/ip/they

This blog does various things for kins, delusions, introjects, comfort characters or just for fun.

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This blog is safe for: proship, neutralship, pro-kink, agere, lolicons/shotacons

Do not interact: MAPs/Zoos/consang, TERFs/SWERFs/radfems, anti-ship, anti-kink, support harassment in any way

I don't keep up with most discourses so idk what most other discourse terms mean or are even about at this point. But like, as long as you're respectful of others, not bigoted and don't fakeclaim without proof of malicious faking then we good. Please don't send "can [blank] interact?" asks, they will be deleted.

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What I can do:

Aesthetics - may take some time, if you have a specific image you wanted used please send it to me. I would also appreciate being sent a link to where I can find transparent background images for characters/ships in it.

Stimboards - also may take some time, I can only do them on my laptop so I can be able to source the images without the struggle of switching between apps and dealing with mobile browser tumblr.

Knit/crochet/sewing patterns - a few patterns for knitting, crochet or sewing picked out for you. Please be specific in what you want (amigurumi/plushies, clothing, accessories, etc.), skill level (beginner, intermediate, advanced) and any other specifics (ex. plus size friendly for clothing patterns, only weight 4 yarn for knitting/crochet, no long projects). You can also specify if you want free patterns only or if paid is okay.

Requesting guidelines:

- Requests will be closed when I have 10 or more in the inbox, and will be opened again once it gets back to zero. However, inbox will always be open in case anyone has questions or anything.

- Do not put more than one request in the same ask or make more than three requests at once.

- Please be specific with what you want!

- I have every right to deny a request if I am not comfortable filling it or feel I cannot adequattely fill it.

- I can do NSFW sources, but only if the requester is an adult. NSFW requests are a maybe but they will have to be off anon so I can fill them privately.

- I can try with any non-blacklisted source, but the sources I know the most will be on the whitelist. If the source isn't whitelisted if I am not familiar with it and there isn't a really good wiki I can't guarantee.

Whitelist: Otogi no Uta, Twisted Wonderland, GeGeGe no Kitaro, Idolmaster (Cinderalla Girls and SideM only), Danganronpa (first two games only, Pokemon (BW only for human characters and that's games only), the Legend of Zelda (pre-BOTW only), Kirby, Sanrio, Toilet Bound Hanako-kun, Disney and Pixar films, Mob Psycho 100, King of Prism, Zombieland Saga, Steven Universe, My Little Pony

Blacklist (these sources/themes/etc. can be a trigger for me or are something I am not comfortable with doing, sorry) (* means trigger): Undertale/Deltarune* (mainly Napstablook is the trigger but I'd rather avoid it all), Kill la Kill*, Brand New Animal*, anything involving cockroaches*, YouTubers (including personas, characters and VTubers), factkin/factrojects, most live action sources

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More about the mod:

I'm 20 and my gender is anime femboy shota. I have delusions and may possibly be a system (the questioning is mostly just denial at this point but I'm stubborn about denial even when I know it's denial).

If I block you it's not always something you did, if you mention kinning some of my delusions in your blog (like in bio, title, url, etc.) or have them as delusions as well or a fictive of them I might block for my own safety. I also block if any ask comes across as passive aggressive since passive aggression directed towards me is a trigger, so if you didn't mean it that way I am sorry! It helps to use tone indicators and be as clear as possible.

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It is disgusting that people label neutralship users as assholes for not participating in shipping debates and accuse them of not caring that people are harming themselves.

There's possibly a reason they're not getting engaged, such as trauma. Perhaps they are not participating because harassment and bullying triggers them.

Stop forcing them to engage in discourse that will trigger them.

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RAINBOW DASH STIMBOARD

I got the gifs on pinterest credit to whoever made the stim gifs

Neutralship and peacefic users please interact! Also stimboard requests are open! ^_^