#Proship

[the-dollhouse-collective]

"How dare you make a public post on a public site that mine eyes happen to fall upon because I looked at where it was"

this is for those who despair over seeing ships or tropes that make them uncomfortable while they do their little scrolly-scroll on ao3, acting like they aren’t responsible for their own internet experience

(alternatively, the back button also works)

[cat-yaps]

boy do i have some news for you

[meroniichan]

antis with their "toxic yaoi" that goes no further than enemies to lovers

[allthingswhumpyandangsty]

will never understand people who kink shame other people. you obviously don’t have to like or understand it. but as long as it’s all fantasy, why do you care about what get someone’s cunt wet? why do you care about what get someone’s cock hard? you can just.., you know, ignore, move on and mind your business. what people do in private in their own sexy times does not affect you or anybody else in any way.

[neuship-zone]

W

“you can write non-con and dark fics as long as you’re not romanticizing it”

“you can write non-con and dark fics as long as it’s your way of coping with your trauma”

“you can write non-con and dark fics as long as —”

actually, anybody — including you — can write non-con and dark fics, and any other fucked up things, however they want, for whatever reasons.

wanna romanticize the fuck out of your non-con / dead dove do not eat fic? go ahead. don’t let anybody stop you from creating the art you want to create.

wanna write non-con fic even if you were never a victim? go ahead. you don’t have to meet any specific criteria in order to create the art you want to create.

just tag your works properly so that you don’t accidentally expose those who might not want to be exposed to such topics to the topics, and you’re all good.

art does not have to be for everybody.

art has never been strictly about rainbow and sunshine. art can also be about the horror and the macabre.

art can be outright disgusting and messed up, and being disgusting and messed up can be just what makes the art a masterpiece.

write whatever you want to write and say fuck you to censorship.

[proshippers-against-censorship]

I feel like there are antis out there who secretly enjoy taboo topics and things like that despite them labeling themselves as being "against darkshipping / proshipping", as I was one of those antis who would admit public disgust for proshipping and darkshipping; even liking and positively interacting with anti- proshipping content. Yet, in my spare time I would secretly read and enjoy non-con fics and other dark fics.

Because I would see other antis condemning that type of content, I became immensely guilty in myself and hated the fact that I liked to read them. I became nervous that if I admitted I enjoyed darker content, I would be made fun of by other anti shippers for it. But, as time passed I stopped caring about what they thought and completely stopped labeling myself as one. Ever since I became profic / a proshipper, my fandom experience has been much better !! I the people in this community is much more nicer and I can enjoy my dark fics without the immense guilt nor shame. (⁠✯⁠ᴗ⁠✯⁠)

I imagine quite a high number do such things. Mob mentality steers much of the discourse.

[fight-nights-at-freddys]

i am. so tired of people acting like the internet is made for kids, or is in any way kid-friendly, bc it’s just not. are there sites that are more catered to kids? yes, but that does not make the entire internet *for* kids.

social media sites in particular are not for children. just because an app says “13+” does not mean that A) 13 yr olds should be on the app, or B) that you suddenly don’t have to monitor your kids online experience, or block/filter certain things.

i’m also tired of pretending that the “you can look up anything on google and find explicit content” is a valid argument bc that has nothing to do with the creators of the content, but everything to do with the algorithm (and i’m tired of ppl acting like safe search doesn’t work. half of the time it censors perfectly normal content).

just. watch your damn kids on the internet. it ain’t my responsibility to do it for you, and i’m so over nsfw artists being blamed for, god forbid, putting what they want on their own pages.

[meroniichan]

victims need to stop assuming shit about other victims. can't people just accept that there is no catch-all coping mechanism for trauma? if you think proship is gross, cool, i don't care. you don't have to interact and i won't force you to cope like i do. so why can't you give us the same courtesy?

in my own personal experience, staying repulsed about the subjects of my trauma has only made me feel worse. i feel better when i get to reclaim my past and rewrite the narrative for my current and future self. i heal by embracing what happened to me, that doesn't mean that im saying it's okay for people to be hurt like i was. it means that im okay with myself. this is all for me and myself alone.

my trauma does not belong to anyone else, and anyone else's trauma does not belong to me. as long as you aren't causing direct harm to real people, then cope as you wish. im tired of the guilt by association bs. victims don't need any more guilt added to their plate. you're not doing anyone a favor by fostering a hostile environment. let people cope.

[synthedicfucker]

Am I the only one who finds it weird how people have just started shipping PV and SM after the last two updates after the whole fandom criticized it for being “proship” and “problematic” but now that’s it’s popular people are just pretending it never happened??? It might just be my algorithm though, idk, I’ve been proudly shipping PV and SM since SM was introduced. 🤷

[enemywasp]

Teach that sickly victorian child what pet play is, him and his butler would be into it I'm sure.

[neuship-zone]

Okay I know I said I wasn't gonna respond but then they hit me with this stupid diagram so now I need to unpack this

YOU are arguing in bad faith.

From the moment you saw my reblog you immediately assumed a whole bunch of things about me and have refused to let any of those assumptions for this entire reblog chain. I just decided to glare over the obvious issues so that I could at figure out where you were coming from. I now have no more reason to do that, so there's no point in continuing the discussion.

"You are pretending to be a revolutionary"

No I'm not. Once again, my original post has NOTHING to do with my own political stance. Yes this is a political book written by someone who's...controversial, to put it lightly, but that does not stop me from having my own interpretation of the book. At no point have I ever said that my interpretation is correct. I have, however, said that I don't agree with the idea that the book is telling you not to stand up to your oppressors (though I would not refute the idea that it's the author's irl intentions). At no point has anyone given me a reason to believe in this interpretation. Instead, you in particular have immediately profiled me as a "liberal" (which may I add, is a word that is also used as an insult by CONSERVATIVES), called me a chimpanzee for having an opinion (mind you, I'm black, so I have a very good reason for finding that racist), and kept trying to spread the idea that I'm trying to be 'revolutional' and that I think George Orwell is peak revolutionary media. My brother in Christ I'm talking about a book. Yes it relates to the real world (read: me comparing the book to Stalin's reign, someone else comparing what I said to what's going on in America with Trump), yes the book is trying to be anti-communist, yes George Orwell is a bad person. None of that changes what I've said.

"While defending liberal capitalism and british imperialists"

How? How does anything about my interpretation of the book relate to this? I've already made it clear I don't support Orwell, and nothing in my original interpretation is even CLOSE to matching that description.

You wanna talk media literacy? Stop profiling people over their interpretation of fiction. That's literally the point of my blog, actually - for people to stop using taste in fiction to determine morals.

And besides we need to break down this diagram

Why are you insulting people who can't read? (Mega ironic considering the rest of the animals in Animal Farm)

Why do you hate Biden voters? Would you have preferred they vote for Trump?

The fact that you think "Hitler youth" (aka neo-Nazis) stem from Biden voters says A LOT MORE about you than any nonsense you've spouted about me

I'm actually kinda flattered you think my post questioning someone's interpretation of a fictional story whilst giving mine is gonna have this big of a reach <3

Also you really like chimpanzees, don't you? You think using animals as insults makes your point stronger?

Hands down, you're a reactionary mfer who needs to be called out. I wouldn't be surprised if you secretly supported MAGA. I'm glad I at least engaged long enough to be able to unpack that much.

Stop attacking "liberal punks" and work on yourself.

Unfortunately I don't think I can block people on sideblogs, but I encourage anyone else reading this to block them on my behalf.

By the way, in case anyone's curious, I have no opinion on capitalism or communism. All the people I've seen (especially on this site) with strong opinions either way turn out to be nasty people like this guy. I am also simply not interested in conversations about which one is better (because usually no-one speaking is doing so in good faith so I'd just rather not). Please do not send me asks about communism/capitalism (unless it's in the content of fiction obvi), because I will simply delete them.

very funny to me when people act like animal farm and 1984 are revolutionary anti government texts that the Powers That Be dont want you to read when they have literally been a part of every standard middle/highschool english lit cirriculum in the usa and beyond for decades. precisely because theyre such convenient primers to propagandize that Commies = Bad. the government is quite literally making kids read them

[theinsterminators]

"erm you know those are siblings right...."

"yes i do" i say, already drawing a 7th ship kid for the siblings in question

[i-dont-just-suck-blood]

(irl) animals can't consent. If you think differently, block me because i hate you 💀

[muwwwsky]

you know i would rather trust an adult proshipper with "disgusting" and "weird" kinks who clearly knows the difference between fiction and reality and not allowing minors to interact with them than an adult antis who stalks minors with rape and death threats because of fictional characters

[b0gdasha]

I can't stand the way antis and antiship-allied people purposely misuse such terms to make themselves sound smarter and "righter", their selfish will to outsmart proshippers with no proper knowledge always leads to an actually harmful misinfo. They use big and serious words wrong to cause strong emotions among those who see their content and to find allies this way, because if they didn't misinterpretate terms to their liking and to their advantage, very little to no people would actually believe in anti rhetoric. Antis misuse terms because their argumentation cannot exist without it, and all their beliefs are built on it from the very core

Antis will purposely call explicit underage fics "*fictional* CSAM/CSEM/CP" to make people believe those ficwriters and enjoyers are actual pedophiles and predators to justify their bullying and harassment

Antis will purposely call any problematic ship dynamic "illegal" to make people believe this stuff is morally wrong to the point you actually can get jailed for it, like for fraud or murder, to make their rhetoric sound morally superior

Antis will purposely call any open proshipper "a sick pedo" and send them rape, assault, doxx and death threats to suppress those who don't agree with their ideas or who condemn their behavior and to turn proshippers into outcasts with no right to speak about shipcourse

And this is NEVER okay

And remember: it's okay to dislike or hate certain ships and dynamics, it's okay to be uncomfortable with them, it's okay to not engage with such stuff and with people who like it, it's okay to block and filter your content and feed

It is never okay, however, to shame, bully, harass and threaten people who engage with stuff you personally don't like

If you are in any online spaces that discuss the morality of fiction or its censorship, please keep the following in mind:

CSAM refers to Child Sexual Abuse Material. This is a term that was created for use by US federal law enforcement. As such, it is important to remember that this is a term used specifically to describe illegal sexual content that is produced involving real children. the term CSAM was specifically constructed to highlight the trauma these victims experience because of this abuse, and therefore their humanity.

if you come across CSAM online, you should immediately report it to a tip line. Some websites that host their servers in the US are subject to US federal law even if the person who posted it does not currently reside in the US, so keep that in mind when reporting. again, this is involving CSAM - it is illegal sexual content involving real children.

CSEM refers to Child Sexual Exploitation Material. This is material that involves a real child in a sexualized situation, but either 1- the material itself is not illegal to possess, or 2- the material is not sexualized, but is included in a series or other content that does contain CSAM. Think along the lines or a parent with a few too many photos of their child in the bath. These images are not explicitly sexual, and are not illegal in and of themselves, but they can be used exploitatively.

If you come across CSEM online, it's still a good idea to send in a tip as well as alerting the website it was posted on. Even if the content itself isn't technically illegal, some websites do have strict rules regarding nudity and the sexualization of minors, which can help stop the spread of such materials and reduce the impact on the affected child.

CSAM and CSEM are words used to describe the assault, abuse, sexualization, and exploitation of real children. CSAM, specifically, is used as a way to identify and remove these materials.

CSAM and CSEM do not apply to fiction. They don't apply to any fictionalized or simulated child abuse or sexualized children. They only refer to real children.

Do not send in tips about fictionalized child abuse or sexualized children to tip lines meant to be used for CSAM.

Do not use the words CSAM and CSEM when discussing fictionalized child abuse or sexualized children. In a worst case scenario, it leads to people misusing tip lines due to a conflation of CSAM with fictionalized depictions.

In a more likely scenario, using CSAM to refer to fiction minimizes what CSAM was created to do - which was highlight the trauma experienced by survivors, and therefore draw attention to their humanity. By continuing to use these terms in situations that do not involve real people, it reduces that impact.