#antis please interact

[hearts4ayame]

mama a diva behind you 💜

[demonic-shadowlucifer]

A few days ago I started a survey intending to document the experiences others have had while partaking in shipcourse. After going through responses of the first survey, and after reading some critiques and questions yall wanted to know, I think it's time to share the second and final survey of my research!

As usual, please be civil in the reblogs. This is an open discussion. Tagging for visibility: @proship-anti-discussion @proshippers-against-censorship @olderthannetfic

Like with the last survey, this one will remain open for three or four days. Also, you guys are allowed to send in asks detailing your experiences with either side, in case you don't feel like going through the survey.

[transmisandrys]

Average proshipper: “Antis say profic isn't good for your mental health! this isn't a healthy coping mechanism!" and yet not a single therapist would ever recommend that people bottle up their thoughts, feelings & urges. people NEED an outlet, especially for trauma survivors. in terms of outlets, what would you rather have? seeking comfort in fiction where nobody gets hurt, or seeking comfort in acting on real life people and changing the trajectory of their lives?”

Okay but you can do that without posting about how much you want to fuck an anime kid online for all to see. You can express yourself in a controlled environment with other adults who are down for that kind of content. You can post your fics to an archive locked account and properly tag your shit / ships + WARN for the content ahead, but does the average proshipper do that? No. The problem antis have is that it’s public with an attempt to normalize & fetishize abusive themes.

Proshippers also argue that antis are “secretly” consuming “problematic shit.” Even if an anti is “secretly into dark / sexualized abuse,” they often have the common courtesy to keep it off a public platform or off Tumblr / public Twitter accounts, etc where algorithms will not expose unconsenting parties to said fucking abuse, especially when filtering + muting tags do not work. Like I enjoy horror and fetish content as much as the next guy, but do you see ME posting about it? Do you see me touching topics that are considered dark and taboo in an open space, a place where people can justifiably assume my morals based on an opinion they’re right to have because they are witnessing me fetishizing my own trauma or experiences? Do you see me romanticizing abuse or sexualizing abuse on a public platform where it can harm a victim? Like express yourself, but I think half of yall can’t even do this without being like “incest is hot” or “I want to fuck a child” which is a fucking red flag to me. You all actively cater to real pedophiles and real incest supporters and real rapists and use “fiction” as a cop out.

[differentstudenttidalwave]

Since no one else wants to say it I will. Most antis and proshippers are really immature.

I’m an anti myself and since I don’t agree nor like what proshippers do, I block them, block the tag, and move on with my life.

Proshippers should also block us, block our tags, and move on with their lives. (If you don’t know how to block tags it’s settings<general settings<filtering.)

And I know most of y’all know this and continue to fight with each other shows that not only are you immature, but you’re an attention seeker.

Someone’s starting an argument with you? No problem, block them. Someone’s block evading you? Just continue to block them. And if it gets that bad just report them. It’s obvious rage bait and y’all always fall for it.

It’s not worth your time. You’re wasting your time arguing back and forth with someone whose mind you cannot change. See a post you don’t like/don’t agree with? Scroll.

You can make a post on how much you hate someone or what they do. Just don’t cross tag. It’s that simple. But y’all willingly choose to argue with these people even though it’s going to get you no where.

[wormchamp72]

BNHA SHIPS

Now, take a nice, long look at what you picked and think about why you did. Did you think the other ships were "cringe"? Did you think yours was superior because it isn't "problematic"?

Shame. Shame on you.

[fandomwe1rd0]

Rick and Morty proshitter blocklist

Hello! I have a list of proshippers that you can easily block. I can't tag them because I blocked them so just block these people yourself, or make sure you avoid them since they are still active posters

Do not harass these people, it is not worth it, this list is so you can block them and not engage with them

Fellofreak

pockymorbys

elinamehuwu

Snoorra

weepingjellyfishunknown

Lipsifyouwant

misnihillist

thelabcoat

garmanarnarr

0rb0t

popajabki

Munnaby

ramheavenandhell

There is more but I am tired. If anyone wants more please dm me and I will happily let y'all know! And if any proshippers are reading this, kindly block me and get the hell off of my blog <3

[venusqueer]

"just ignore antis" but why >:(. Let me start an agrument with them it's fun.

[rosatherad]

i wrote this in the replies of another post but i think this could be its own so here, some of my thoughts on fandom purity discourse

pro-ship/anti-ship discourse seems to be mostly a tool to create an us-vs-them situation, to demonize each other and attack each other endlessly. and i say this as someone knee-deep in the discourse. thats not to say its pointless discourse, that its not important in some way. but its also not an enormous thing either. its origins are but a small part of a larger problem (or two, or three, depending on how you look at it etc)

get christian puritanism and queerphobia and impressionable young progressives who just want to do the right thing and fandom spaces and put them all together and you get the first anti-shippers, get antis doing anti stuff for long enough and you get the first reactionary pro-shippers, and the more time passes the more these two extreme ends get further and further apart

and then both sides are calling the other a cult, calling the other groomers and predators, creating strict walls to separate each others spaces while simultaneously infiltrating them to start fights, both sides bonding by talking bad about the other, extreme pro-shippers and extreme anti-shippers are mirror images of each other

these problems could all be solved i think if people were willing to calm down and listen to each other, to mend the miscommunications, to understand each other and elaborate their points with patience and openness and NUANCE. but unfortunately, social media cultivates the opposite

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i do block people with "proship dni" and anyone else i see who shares their dislike of proshippers, because i think those boundaries should be respected. but i won't say "antis dni" in return. i want to get along. if people want to talk to me about it, i want to have conversations with them, not to convert them to my side or to tell them how wrongbad they are. i would give anyone the chance to have a good-faith chat about the discourse, i'll answer questions to the best of my ability.

[leaderlamby]

Antishippers: It doesn't MATTER that it's fiction, you're still shipping family members together and that means you SUPPORT that and you're DISGUSTING! *returns to violent video game of murder and bloodshed*

[drunkenclown555]

Pr0sh1pper with "antis dni" in their bio going out of their way to try to clown on an antis vent post? Expected, no big shock there, they do that a lot.

Pr0sh1pper going out of their way to try to clown on a vent post specifically about hating ableists + anti-recovery pedophiles and child abuse fetishism? Curious! Interesting! Why would you do that lol!

[hearts4ayame]

threatening to send someone cp is NOT helping you win an argument. 😭🙏🏽

[sn0wcake]

proshitters i am literally begging you to TAG. YOUR. POSTS. PLEASE. and dont fucking tag them as antishipping to intentionally piss us off or whatever because proshipping can be like. EXTREMELY TRIGGERING?

also you're literally objectively wrong if you think fiction doesn't affect reality and if you know it affects reality and you still proship then im just going to assume you're a bad person

[transmisandrys]

Friendly reminder from a traumatized anti!

If your response is to send proshippers IRL CSEM or threaten them with real pedophilic abuse material of kids, you are an offending pedophile! If you say a proshipper deserves to face childhood sexual abuse again and to be abused by a pedo, you are a fucking pedophile! You are a freak, and we do not claim you! Kill yourself while you are at it. ❤️ IDC if you are a minor doing this. Sending CSEM of REAL children and advocating for someone’s pedophilic abuse is disgusting and I am sure you jack off to real kids at that point based on how comfy and cozy you are with threatening real world harm and the further exploitation of children just to “own” proshippers.

[wormchamp72]

APOLOGY 2 THE BAKUDEKU FANDOM.

I am sorry for the rift I have caused in the already tumultuous fandom environment of Bakudeku discourse. I see now the error of my ways. I will not be so quick 2 judge in the future.

I see now that Bakudekus (supporters of Bakudeku) are the underdogs. They are beaten down time and time again by the other "shippers" of the BNHA (Boko no Hero Academia) fandom. Though I myself am more inclined 2 Tododeku, I have decided 2 push that all aside in favor of supporting the downtrodden.

I do not understand. But I will try.

We must learn 2 accept and embrace what is different than ourselves (as long as it is not hurting anyone, like how Brayden or Maximus P. do. Or Todobakus)

I am here 2 unite the two sides of the BNHA fandom. Proshippers and antishippers must come together 2 see the Bakudeku light. Once and for all, the social bigwigs will cower as we march ever steadily on towards enlightenment.

Bakudeku is not just a ship...it's a social movement.

Pros...antis...aren't we all just human?

[mentallyunstablemeganerd]

I'm so confused.

What the fuck is the definition of "proship" and "antiship" entail.

Is proship just thinking it would be an interesting story concept?

Is it thinking that stuff is good irl?

Is antiship just hating on fanfic writers for portraying not healthy relationships?

Is antiship just against writing underage?

Do proshippers think that stuff like poppytwt is ok? (It's not. It's really not.)

Are antis just ignoring the people who write school shooting fanfiction?

Someone please help me without the use of death threats

[ship-survey]

Antis are currently UNDERREPRESENTED in my survey!!!

Because proshippers tend to check ship discourse tags more, as well as tags relating to their position, the survey is majority proship with few objecting stances represented. I’m going to only tag this with the anti tags so that more people can find it but if you are or know self-identified or anti-leaning peeps, pls feel free to send this survey their way!!

Survey can be taken here.