#antis please interact

[hearts4ayame]

mama a diva behind you 💜

[demonic-shadowlucifer]

A few days ago I started a survey intending to document the experiences others have had while partaking in shipcourse. After going through responses of the first survey, and after reading some critiques and questions yall wanted to know, I think it's time to share the second and final survey of my research!

As usual, please be civil in the reblogs. This is an open discussion. Tagging for visibility: @proship-anti-discussion @proshippers-against-censorship @olderthannetfic

Like with the last survey, this one will remain open for three or four days. Also, you guys are allowed to send in asks detailing your experiences with either side, in case you don't feel like going through the survey.

[transmisandrys]

Average proshipper: “Antis say profic isn't good for your mental health! this isn't a healthy coping mechanism!" and yet not a single therapist would ever recommend that people bottle up their thoughts, feelings & urges. people NEED an outlet, especially for trauma survivors. in terms of outlets, what would you rather have? seeking comfort in fiction where nobody gets hurt, or seeking comfort in acting on real life people and changing the trajectory of their lives?���

Okay but you can do that without posting about how much you want to fuck an anime kid online for all to see. You can express yourself in a controlled environment with other adults who are down for that kind of content. You can post your fics to an archive locked account and properly tag your shit / ships + WARN for the content ahead, but does the average proshipper do that? No. The problem antis have is that it’s public with an attempt to normalize & fetishize abusive themes.

Proshippers also argue that antis are “secretly” consuming “problematic shit.” Even if an anti is “secretly into dark / sexualized abuse,” they often have the common courtesy to keep it off a public platform or off Tumblr / public Twitter accounts, etc where algorithms will not expose unconsenting parties to said fucking abuse, especially when filtering + muting tags do not work. Like I enjoy horror and fetish content as much as the next guy, but do you see ME posting about it? Do you see me touching topics that are considered dark and taboo in an open space, a place where people can justifiably assume my morals based on an opinion they’re right to have because they are witnessing me fetishizing my own trauma or experiences? Do you see me romanticizing abuse or sexualizing abuse on a public platform where it can harm a victim? Like express yourself, but I think half of yall can’t even do this without being like “incest is hot” or “I want to fuck a child” which is a fucking red flag to me. You all actively cater to real pedophiles and real incest supporters and real rapists and use “fiction” as a cop out.

[inkwell-selfships]

PROSHIPPERS FUCK OFF

[wormchamp72]

BNHA SHIPS

Now, take a nice, long look at what you picked and think about why you did. Did you think the other ships were "cringe"? Did you think yours was superior because it isn't "problematic"?

Shame. Shame on you.

[ghostkit]

I know it’s been a while since I last posted, but I’m trying to get into the community here again, and I’ve just learned some things about someone I used to follow. So I’m going to make where I stand on this crystal clear:

You can’t be a good person and be into things like pedophilia, zoophilia, necrophilia, incest, or rape. If you create fiction for the sake of feeding these fetishes, the smut you create tells me exactly what kind of person you are, because it tells me about your fetishes. And you cannot be a good person and have these fetishes.

Pedophiles, zoophiles, necrophiles, incest, and rape fetishizers are not welcome on this blog.

Anyone who defends, supports, or even tolerates the above people, whether it’s acted upon or not, are not welcome on this blog.

Yes, this includes your ships, fanfics, fanart, and OCs in fiction as well. This post is about you. I am talking about you.

Proshippers in general are also not welcome on this blog, because proshippers are by definition people who tolerate the above people as long as it’s kept in fiction. You aren’t welcome here.

This is not a safe space for you. I strive to make this an actively unsafe space for you actually. I do not want you to feel safe here, because you should not feel safe anywhere.

Unfollow and block me immediately please, because if you make me do it, I won’t be nice to you. You are not wanted here.

[sincerely-aaliyah]

“all coping mechanisms work differently for each other” stfu.

if my best friend died, and i cope by romanticizing what happened to her, do you think that would affect me positively? if i made posts saying, “mmmmm, murder 🤤 what happened to her is so hottt 🤤🤤” do you think that’s actually helping me cope?

with that logic, is self harming a good coping mechanism depending on the person? if i made fanfics about someone getting murdered in front of another, and i wrote the murderer as a horrible person and i wrote the traumatized person feeling angry, sad, and depressed, THAT would be okay. it’s treating the topic as it is. disgusting, saddening, and traumatizing. that is a good way to cope!

now if i write that fanfic, but make the murderer seem good, justified, and hot, and make the traumatized person feel aroused, sexy, and happy, that would be wrong. you’re treating the situation as if it’s a nice thing. as if it’s something that should be treated as sexy or arousing. that is NOT a good way to cope! (and dont even get me started with “you’re kink shaming!” if you find yourself aroused at this situations i’m going to shame you. (unless you’re trying to get better))

anon, if you wanted to get married you could’ve just said that 🥰🥰

[fandomwe1rd0]

Rick and Morty proshitter blocklist

Hello! I have a list of proshippers that you can easily block. I can't tag them because I blocked them so just block these people yourself, or make sure you avoid them since they are still active posters

Do not harass these people, it is not worth it, this list is so you can block them and not engage with them

Fellofreak

pockymorbys

elinamehuwu

Snoorra

weepingjellyfishunknown

Lipsifyouwant

misnihillist

thelabcoat

garmanarnarr

0rb0t

popajabki

Munnaby

ramheavenandhell

There is more but I am tired. If anyone wants more please dm me and I will happily let y'all know! And if any proshippers are reading this, kindly block me and get the hell off of my blog <3

[opinionated-faggot]

"Cømship" "prøship" "antiship" "prøfic" "antific" something tells me these guys really like creating new words that don't really say what is being talked about and mislead where the debate lies to outsiders, then rebranding when it becomes more widely known, because they know it makes them sound really really bad if we all go with literal descriptions of what's being debated here.

"Nøn-cøn" is like. All the way up in that podium too. Sigh.

Just say you're fighting in the trenches for your basic human right to spam post rapey and pedophilic ships on shounen manga tags.

[venusqueer]

"just ignore antis" but why >:(. Let me start an agrument with them it's fun.

[hearts4ayame]

threatening to send someone cp is NOT helping you win an argument. 😭🙏🏽

[rosatherad]

i wrote this in the replies of another post but i think this could be its own so here, some of my thoughts on fandom purity discourse

pro-ship/anti-ship discourse seems to be mostly a tool to create an us-vs-them situation, to demonize each other and attack each other endlessly. and i say this as someone knee-deep in the discourse. thats not to say its pointless discourse, that its not important in some way. but its also not an enormous thing either. its origins are but a small part of a larger problem (or two, or three, depending on how you look at it etc)

get christian puritanism and queerphobia and impressionable young progressives who just want to do the right thing and fandom spaces and put them all together and you get the first anti-shippers, get antis doing anti stuff for long enough and you get the first reactionary pro-shippers, and the more time passes the more these two extreme ends get further and further apart

and then both sides are calling the other a cult, calling the other groomers and predators, creating strict walls to separate each others spaces while simultaneously infiltrating them to start fights, both sides bonding by talking bad about the other, extreme pro-shippers and extreme anti-shippers are mirror images of each other

these problems could all be solved i think if people were willing to calm down and listen to each other, to mend the miscommunications, to understand each other and elaborate their points with patience and openness and NUANCE. but unfortunately, social media cultivates the opposite

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i do block people with "proship dni" and anyone else i see who shares their dislike of proshippers, because i think those boundaries should be respected. but i won't say "antis dni" in return. i want to get along. if people want to talk to me about it, i want to have conversations with them, not to convert them to my side or to tell them how wrongbad they are. i would give anyone the chance to have a good-faith chat about the discourse, i'll answer questions to the best of my ability.

[leaderlamby]

Antishippers: It doesn't MATTER that it's fiction, you're still shipping family members together and that means you SUPPORT that and you're DISGUSTING! *returns to violent video game of murder and bloodshed*

[wormchamp72]

APOLOGY 2 THE BAKUDEKU FANDOM.

I am sorry for the rift I have caused in the already tumultuous fandom environment of Bakudeku discourse. I see now the error of my ways. I will not be so quick 2 judge in the future.

I see now that Bakudekus (supporters of Bakudeku) are the underdogs. They are beaten down time and time again by the other "shippers" of the BNHA (Boko no Hero Academia) fandom. Though I myself am more inclined 2 Tododeku, I have decided 2 push that all aside in favor of supporting the downtrodden.

I do not understand. But I will try.

We must learn 2 accept and embrace what is different than ourselves (as long as it is not hurting anyone, like how Brayden or Maximus P. do. Or Todobakus)

I am here 2 unite the two sides of the BNHA fandom. Proshippers and antishippers must come together 2 see the Bakudeku light. Once and for all, the social bigwigs will cower as we march ever steadily on towards enlightenment.

Bakudeku is not just a ship...it's a social movement.

Pros...antis...aren't we all just human?

[drunkenclown555]

Pr0sh1pper with "antis dni" in their bio going out of their way to try to clown on an antis vent post? Expected, no big shock there, they do that a lot.

Pr0sh1pper going out of their way to try to clown on a vent post specifically about hating ableists + anti-recovery pedophiles and child abuse fetishism? Curious! Interesting! Why would you do that lol!

[sincerely-aaliyah]

(I cut the video short because it was about a completely different topic.)