#mianite theory

[syndianites]

I've always wondered what the criteria for being an 'alt' in mianite was.

Like, assuming it was a thought-out thing and not just a fun gimmick of being in an alternate reality, how is it determined who your alt is?

There's a few ways you can look at it:

They are literally you in a different universe- like literally exactly who you are but put in a different situation

They are someone who fills the same *role* as you, being more a metaphorical alternate

They are who, essentially, took your place in the world. It was either you existed OR they existed, not both

They are just the mirror of yourself, so to speak. Someone very similar to you and having the same core features, but having different... aspects? Like, if you were loyal and brave, but generally rather shy, your alternate would /also/ be loyal and brave, but could be easy and outgoing.

The reason I tend to ponder this a lot with Mianite as a series is because it very much feels like it could go any way, /except/ the person being a literal you from a different universe.

And I know that may be an unpopular look at it, but if you compare our most popular alt- Mot, to Tom, aside from the name and being partially mob-fied, what do they have in common as people? Their backgrounds are very different (which is to be expected), their personalities are very different, their choices and decisions can often conflict with each other, and so on and so forth.

In my head, someone literally being a different 'you' would either entail them having the same exact name (both having been "Tom" or "Mot" at some point) or looking nigh identical (though the Tom/Mot example is a little harder considering their different mob afflictions).

I suppose what I'm trying to say, is that when I think of a "traditional" alternative self, I think of the exact same person who was just put in a different situation. Like if Tom, for example, had been put in a situation where his family had all died and he got infected, etc etc. But even when in different situations you find that people tend to look the same, or has similar personality traits, or even have a similar way of thinking. Of course, we don't get to see a lot of alt interactions because Mot, for the majority of the time we see him, is the only "known" alt (since we didn't know Steve was supposed to be a Wag alt).

So how would I, personally, define alts in the Mianite universe? Honestly, I'm not sure. For a while I went on the idea that it was someone who was in "your role" in this other universe. Mot and Tom are both champions of Dianite, Spark and Jordan are both important devotees to Ianite, etc etc, but can we use that to explain Jeriah and Alyssa, or even Wag and Steve?

I think I sit right between the "role" aspect of alts and the "mirror" aspect. They almost beg the same question, "what is this person's defining traits," but in different ways. Tom and Mot are both heavily loyal, Tom to his friends and even the previous Dianite, who he stuck with even when he was THE bad guy, and Mot to Alyssa and Dianite. Spark and Jordan are both very devoted and- crafty? I don't know what word I'd use, but Spark created a whole town, Jordan had the Jerry's tree, how Jordan was very invested in any study he came across and how Spark was very invested in spreading the word of Ianite, etc. From what snippets we get, Sonja and Alyssa are both playful at heart and kind, though we don't get to see too much about Alyssa. I'd make a stab at what Jeriah is like but we basically never see him. Wag and Steve are both rather straightforward and not afraid to cause damage to get what they want done- and also have the same taste in women (lol).

You could argue that this is because they fill the same "roles" as each other, but you could also argue that it's because the characters share the same "base traits." It's like the chicken and the egg argument- does the role require the traits, or do the traits lead to the role? If two people are alts of each other, who came first? Who is the "original," discounting the fact that we enter the world of Mianite through Tiem Reester and are biased into believing they are the originals.

The people who throw this most into question are the gods themselves. They literally fill the same roles, have the same names, have very similar characteristics, and are basically the poster-children to the "traditional" idea of alternate versions of yourself. But if you stripped away everything- the godhood, the names, the aspects of life they embody- what do they have in common? The gods present that "what-if" scenario that happens when you look into alternate realities far better than the "human" people we see. Are both Dianite's stubborn and confident? Are both Mianite's self-assured and believe themselves to always be in the right? Are both Ianite's dedicated to walking the line between aspects, trying to keep a grip on the happenings of their universe and the fluctuations of the Void?

Mianite, as a series, gives us /so many things/ to think about but never a solid resolution to these ideas because it was never meant to. It was a story made up on the fly, a bridge being built as we walked along it. And I think that's why it sticks in my mind so much compared to other series that broach similar ideas. There are so many open-ended questions that /we/ get to solve, to debate, to consider, that it just sticks with you because it is so, so hard to leave something "unfinished."

Anyway, rant over, please go back to your regularly scheduled activities

[someone-called-efg]

no idea if octobernite is a thing this year but i decided to make a thing

also, a bit of a theory:

what if mianite is a loop

spoilers but in the s-1 finale tom and jordan had to both forget everything (at least jordan for sure) cus of the spell to get them both out of the darkness temple

so what if the spell shot the two into the far future of s-1 which would line up to soonish before s1

what if in this time was when the og jerrys tree and the og minecraft project took place? i mean, we already know from the mamas boy animations that jordan came from jerrys tree, and we know that the s-1 world was actually toms minecraft project just redownloaded and made multiplayer (would that also mean the og minecraft project exists in mianite? in this theory, yeah)

so from a lore perspective, what if tom and jordan are cursed? cursed to be stuck in this infinite loop of fighting wot

and cursed to be stuck in a loop of forgetting their battles as to never truly win

and what if, when tom forgets, and dianite shows up to pick him as his champion (i mean, dianite wasn't a part of the amnesia spell, so he would definitely remember tom (who wouldn't?)), it triggers toms memories for only a moment, cus of him being mecha-dianite, but the spell makes him forget almost as soon as he remembers, never truly able to remember his wrongs in a way that he can be better, but simply, cursed to play into this time loop

and what if wot set up this time loop in the first place?

doesn't that seem like the kinda pettty thing wot would do for some sense of victory over the heros?

this would mean tom shooting dianite would be seen as more of a betrayal from dianite's pov, i mean, his old champion has returned and seemed to remember his enthusiasm for following dianite, so he'd have a possible argument to think that maybe tom being different (either cus of being a zombie or the mecha-dianite in him) allowed him to remember, which is why dianite is more harsh with tom in s1? only to be shot by his once cherished champion

as for jordan? the amnesia spell would've definitely worked, seeing as he was the one to cast it

which leads me to the whole thing of s1 ianite and spark, cus think about it, s1 ianite had gone through her prized champion leaving with amnesia, only to somehow come back and remember his unwavering loyalty. than have to leave all over again. and suddenly, this elderly man shows up, but in almost every way possible, he's like some off brand copy of a once great champion (not to talk shit about spark but he's old and probably not as quick with his reflexes as someone in their 20s-30s in combat)

so in a way, s1 ianite being saddened with the "you're not my sparklez" to spark line makes sense, she probably hoped that after the heros jumped through the void they'd reappear in the overworld, right? (HA NO, but that's for another theory)

[grailknightmonty]

pages from the notes of Aurelia S[ ], a champion of the Nowhere, partaking in a cautious and ongoing study of our vast multiverse.

They call this mission Project Non est Ad Astra.

[syn4k]

gonna copypaste the fucking . Wall of text i just sent to Q about that whole fight to here. tom is SUCH A CHARACTER im gonna LOSE IT

(my friend Q: what're your thoughts on tom's character at this point in the series?)

i think that syndianites' tags were on the fuckin spot [referring to some tags that she left on a post of mine a day or so back, i sent it to Q and we both loved them <3) and also that hes just. drunk on bloodlust to distract himself from the fact that he's just lost everything

literally the only thing he has right now is the fish. This is why it ends up being such a big deal in the Tank of Judgement episode btw. [Q is watching through Jordan's POV for the first time right now and from his pov it's not entirely clear why Nemo is so important to Tom]

they took his diamonds they took his gear they took his life and they kicked in his teeth but he still has his fish

i imagine him twitching during the talk he had with the mianite/ianite alliance. brain going a billion mph weighing chances. oppurtunities. outcomes. when tucker gets angry it comes swiftly and strongly sure but tom was up against a wall in both the literal and metaphorical sense with nothing to lose because he'd just lost everything and so that enabled him to finally ditch the one thing that had been keeping him from going the edge and losing it entirely for so fucking long: his sense of self-preservation

watching it is beautiful in the way that an airplane on fire falling out of the sky is beautiful

you just know he woke up the next day muscles aching bones screaming like the worst hangover hed ever had in his life but two times worse but for now, he is blazing thrice as hot as tucker ever did when his anger was stoked by those petty dogfights they used to get into and he is unstoppable

(Q: nods ...but the plane still hits the ground)

he reminds me of myself when i'm tired and running off of fumes and self destructive and determined to just keep fucking going, in a way. i think thats part of why we latched onto him so hard

and i dont have any evidence for it but i think that this is the thing that really gets dianite's attention

he sees tom doing all this on his own and his first thought is wait, that kid's on my team. his second thought is just Fear because Oh Shit, That Kid's on MY TEAM.

(replying to Q) ohhhhhh boy. does it.

(Q: he doesn't feel he can control tom?)

EXACTLY AND THATS WHAT SCARES HIM

(Q: and so he starts acting more controlling towards tom?)

bbbbbbbingo!

if this goes how i think it goes anyways. which i think it does.

[kiwibirdlafayette]

what da hell watchers in isles... what episode grian show up /j

[septiceyeliner]

I could give everyone psychic damage by digging through my blog and bringing back 10 year old Mianite posts

[licantropa]

To go with my last post I made a rough timeline of the happenings in Ruxmor, to the best of my understanding of when they happened.

[poltergeist-coffee]

everytime i see people talk about the black matter on the qsmp i have to hold back the urge to talk about the taint from mianite

[blueishspace]

Here is a Minecraft deities/entities list I have created for myself but that I tought might help out others so I am putting it here... It's a mix canon headcanons, theories and interpretations so everyone is free to disagree with stuff, also keep in mind I am not into all these series so I am not an expert and a lot of these was made through research.

Creation deities and fundamental concepts of the universe:

Mojang/Minecraft/Microsoft - triple faced embodyiment of existance.

Hatsume Miku - canon creator of Minecraft apparently.

Clara - goddess of space.

Wendarr The Timekeeper - god of time.

Sad ist - goddess of lore (not canon but I find it funny so I am keeping it here).

Joehills - as Joehills, also a Joehills.

Molympus Slimecicle - God of magic, enchanting and crafting.

Molympus Condi - god of dimensions.

Light associated deities:

Jeb - creator and god of colours, probably inventor of light.

Aeor - reindeer deity of light and good.

BdoubleO - as god of the sun, possibly a god of rulers (he is the kingmaker after all).

Darkness associated deities:

Exor - god of darkness and evil.

The World Historian - god of the void.

Null - god of emptyness, the lack of existance.

Life/nature/earth deities:

Prime - goddess of Life and possibly Fortune.

Velara The Benevolent - goddess of health, healing, regeneration, possibly growth.

PearleascentMoon/Santa Perla - goddess of agricolture and fertility, possibly goddess of the moon. (Agricultural cycles used to be measured using the moon cycle in the past so not too unlikely).

The Goat goddess (the perimeter one)- mostly a goddess of redstone but also goddess of tomatoes and fertility.

Molympus Grizzly - god of nature and tools.

Molympus Blitzy - god of mobs and animals.

Death/rebirth gods and entities:

Kristin - goddess of death and depending on interpretation the afterlife.

PhilZa - The angel of death.

Foolish - as the totem god of undying, is also a sky god and a sea god.

Lady Irene - I am not sure exactly about her domain but I am putting her here because it fits the themes.

Shad the destroyer - could have put him with the chaos gods but this feels like a better placement.

XD - as the god of Limbo, is also the main dsmp god and possibly a god of dreams.

Chaos gods:

Dianite - god of chaos and the Nether, also a god of trade and thievery.

Entity 404 - entity of pandemonium, somewhere between god and demon.

The blood god - pretty self explanatory.

Idona the malevolent - goddess of conflict and war or murder(?). Possibly a goddess of retribution like Nemesis in greek mythology.

Drista - goddess of mischief, pranks and levity (I think?).

The egg - who tought to create a sentient parasitic red egg is either a genius or insane lmao.

Herobrine - as creator/entity/deity of monsters, also possibly a god of mist.

Sky and water deities:

Jimmy - as demigod of rivers, possibly also a Listener.

Axolotl Lizzy - demigoddess of the ocean.

S2 Joel - god of the sky.

The Sky Gods (Wilbur Soot random items videos)

Foolish - as a sea and a sky god, also totem god of undying.

Herobrine - as possibly the god of mist, also creator/entity/deity of monsters.

Order gods:

Mianite - god of order, law and the Overworld.

BdoubleO - as possibly the god of rulership, also sun god.

Cucurucho - as rule enforcer entity...thing, also Qsmp entity.

Neutral gods and entities:

Ianite: Goddess of balance and the end.

Gray forester: Grayscale entity.

Tenos The Omniscient- god of experience, knowledge and wisdom.

Eldritch gods:

Grian - Watcher.

Martyn - Listener.

Jimmy - as possibly a Listener, also a demigod of rivers.

Joehills - as Joehills, also a Joehills.

Server gods and entities:

XD - as main god of the dsmp, also god of Limbo and possibly a god of dreams.

Callahan - minor dsmp deity.

Tubbo - main god of the Bear smp.

Cucurucho and Other Qsmp entities.

[voidandradiance]

literally just woke up to ask you this because i just remembered it but in the mianite zine fic you wrote i noticed you added a detail about tucker tending to the hearth and i was curious about what was going on there. whats up with that. what the dog doin

!!!!!! FINALLY I GET TO YELL ABT THIS

okay so. ianitees are pretty universally travelers, aren't they? pirates, sailors, runaway princes. that wanderlust is hardcoded into them, it's fundamental to who they are. it's not a stretch to say that the wanderlust is constant, not a surprise that ianite is associated most with the wind or sea. she can easily be taken as the goddess of travelers and in-between places, just as much in the middle as she always is.

the corollary to that, then, is that if she is the goddess of travel, then someone must be the god of putting down roots. it's not a total leap to assign that to mianite, especially when you look at the christian overlay that tends to get put on him and highlight the use of holy spaces as Sanctuary. this works particularly well when you look at his followers' behavior; in s1, tucker and sonja offer jordan protection and shelter, and even in s2 sonja plays the perfect host to anyone who crosses her threshold. mianite is the one with the grand, immovable temples, whose followers seem to plant themselves in one place and refuse to abandon it when under threat- again, see tucker and sonja with their lava moat and giant walls, their ethereal blooms and silverwood trees. the permanence matters to them.

what that concept of hospitality turned into, then, is the concept of a mianitee's hearth - sometimes literal, sometimes not, but the center of the place that they care for and where they offer others sanctuary. for a champion, it might be a temple, might be their home, but it's the same theory. if you are at the hearth, you will be protected. if you are the one tending the hearth, you are in charge of protecting the people there.

in the case of blanket of smoke, tucker has taken over the kitchen at mianite's homestead; his home is a smoking crater by then, but he has claimed that as his space, and everyone there as under his protection.

Jericho had made it exceedingly clear that the kitchen was his territory now, thank you very much, and that anyone who interfered with it other than Foxx could expect to get snapped at with his canines as well as his words... The champion of order can take over the kitchen while the rest of the world spirals out of control.

that's his metaphorical hearth in that moment. it's why he will put up with sonja interfering, but not the others. as for the literal hearth, andor muses earlier that:

...the fireplace has died down to embers. Someone ought to stir it back to life – and that may well be where Jericho has gone, actually. He's the one with the right to tend the hearths, especially here. He's the one with the responsibility.

and that is part of it, still! nobody else is touching the literal hearth bc that falls to him as the mianitee who has claimed the space and promised protection to those in it.

[parker2797]

So I have a theory regarding Tom in Mianite. So in the spin-off series Mianitian Isles it is revealed Tom’s character is the son of Declan aka The Priest who is a character that has appeared in all three Mianite series (S1, S2 & MI) and is a medium between the players and the gods of the server, the reveal came out during the funeral of Lord Hermod (Declan’s Brother). But how is this possible for Declan to conceive a zombie, but that is where my theory comes in, shifting to S1 of Mianite in the final episode the players travel to The End and met Ianite and she tells them for their help throughout the series she will grant them one wish Skipper Red beard & Captain Sparklez request she bring back Captain Capsize (Skipper’s Sister & Sparklez “Wife”), but she is brought back different she isn’t human but a zombie and Skipper is forced to kill his own sister, what if something like this happened to Tom & Declan, Tom died prior to Mianite S1 and Declan went to one of the gods to ask to bring back his son an attempt was made but like Capsize Tom came back as a zombie, but unlike Skipper Declan couldn’t kill his son, so Tom was left to roam the Overworld, eventually Tom regained his consciousness, but with no memory of his father.

[syndianites]

hellooo! you know I really do think that from the pirates arrival all the way to the finale, the most important in all of that is Tom. like, ianite could not even get her heart back if Tom was not there physically.

No but this is so real!

Please feel free to fact check me (its been a long time since my last mianite watch), but Tom is needed for SO much of it, he helped find the pieces of her heart (even if he wanted to steal it) and his boat is the one they needed to get around, and so on and so on and it always boggles my mind when I think about it because for all intents and purposes he WAS the enemy, even if he helped with Furia and talked with the others like a friend, he HELPED blow up the Mianite temple, he was STILL dedicated to Dianite until the point Dianite disowned him. And if you want to get theoretical about it, could they have even properly helped Ianite if there wasn't Dianite rep there? If there was no balance between Good and Bad with Tom standing right there?

[life-winners-liveblog]

Scott, please tell me more about the family tree

Scott: Ok so... Thalassa is the name of the sea goddess which I believe is likely Lizzies and Jimmy's mother... Thalassa is one of Claras many many children with Wendarr, the embodyiment of time... Her siblings including Lady Death, Lady Life aka Prime, Lady Luck, The Void, The World Historian, XD, Fate and many more. Ladies Death, Life and Luck are triplets according to the myths... The World Historian has 3 children which are... according to my theory then Jimmy's first degree cousins? And they are Mianite, Ianite and Dianite aka Order, Balance and Chaos... Do you want more?

[grailknightmonty]

among the many travellers of the multiverse, are the fabled champions of the NoWhere- possessing an the ability to traverse unchained between timelines, with a collective goal to study the gigaverse, and its infinite inhabitants. One of such fell into this role accidentally, but now has seen and possesses knowledge of more than she ever could have imagined, and since then doesn't regret it one bit.

new SMP multiverse character dropped >:] More about her and her happenings soon! If you want to see the first of her character in action, her voice appears in my Mianite RPG Ep. 15 (starts at around 01:59:00) I’ll work on the voice acting i promise xD

[syn4k]

c!dec you are so compelling to me for one specific reason and that reason is You are 16 and already the avatar/messenger of a god/the gods. how The Fuck does one get into that situation so young. personally i am a fan of @starry-storm-main's theory which is "he's mianite's son" because that opens up so many oppurtunities backstory wise. im in the trenches yall

[kiwibirdlafayette]

gonna personally have a fuck revising the post-mianite storyline to fit the current dsmp lore but if im being honest its gonna end with me going fuck it and canonizing gays on a boat