#malicitor

[system-role-flags]

have you done ‘malicitors’? it means alters that harm the system for fun/with completely malicious intent btw

🌈Malicitor Alter Role Flag🍭

A flag for alters who harm the system / other

alters for fun / with malicious intent

🩷

[ex-malicitor]

I almost fucking split (BPD) but I didn’t I didn’t I kept myself calm and just switched out when I felt myself getting too pissed

I know I need a better coping mechanism than that but that’s still a lot healthier than just yelling??

[osdd-1bitch]

(UIL, UYL)

I see a lot of arguing about the differences between persecutors and malicitors, which for the purposes of this post are different in that persecutors harm the system out of a sense of lashing out, confusion, or other situation and malicitors are genuinely malicious. The knee jerk reaction is often against the term malicitor—persecutors are often already unfairly judged and mistreated in many systems in the first place and persecutors seem far more common than malicitors (if they are an existing role in more than one system). However, malicitors, after much research, do seem to exist a non-miniscule number of times. Perhaps this is a little broad but I’ve read multiple cases of medically defined systems having persecutors who are rejected wholesale, etc etc.

It’s another case, as it happens many times, of terms and advice that don’t apply to everyone. The unfortunate truth exists that you or I may see other experiences that don’t necessarily line up to our own and make assumptions that could hurt ourselves or others. It’s not a fault of the term. The solution I propose is to not rail against malicitor as a term and demand all plurals to get in touch with their persecutors immediately and cut them some slack—through experience I know urging too eagerly can cause belligerence and reluctant attitudes—but try and encourage more accepting attitudes for every member in the system. I did also want to note somewhere that some plurals are incapable of rejecting any member.

And I don’t believe malicitors are inherently incapable of change either. Most, or at least I, associate malicitors with members who are rejected or fall dormant instead of joining the system, is that oftentimes they refuse to choose to change. That isn’t a factor in some systems at all, and they very well can change. I know a lot of hurt people will be reactive to this idea, but it’s not an impossibility. Perhaps this association itself is part of the reason for the terms bad reputation. It’s usage as a description of motivation might be more useful than its association with the varied solutions.

Ultimately, like most things, YMM. Be patient with yourselves and others.

[zeros-hell]

I truly hate the whole rhetoric of “no alter is evil! There is nich such thing as an irredeemable alter! Always forgive your persecutors!”

Because what if I am irredeemable? Does that make me unlovable? Is the fact that I will never “recover” so inconvenient to you that I’m suddenly not a person anymore? Is my right to exist revoked as soon as I do something unforgivable?

I refuse to improve, I will never change, I am a bad, evil, unforgivable, irredeemable person. But I am still a person.

Accept me for who I am or don’t pretend to accept me at all

[artisticdysfunction]

about malicitors

malicitors. it is typically used as a term one describes for themselves.

in our opinion, we just view them as people who aren't self aware enough to accurately view their own motivations. and that's okay. trauma absolutely does effect that. i know it does for our system.

also, i should say, that when talking about this sort of topic, sweeping statements should be avoided. statements such as "no persecutor would harm their own system for no reason", "every persecutor can be reasoned with", and "there is no reason that anyone can ever give that would make it okay for them to lock up their own persecutors" are just plainly untrue for systems that have experienced RAMCOA. especially if they are early in their healing process.

so yeah. those are my thoughts.

[persecutors-raging]

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[atypical-irritant]

I'm glad to see that, from what I can tell, the general view of persecutors has gotten much better than what I remember it being years ago. This strange "malicitor" shit is new, but what perspective change doesn't come with stubborn rebranding or two? Always with the stragglers hell-bent on insisting their situation is different/worse.

A bit of advice from a semi ex-persecutor; if you have a violent and/or destructive alter who, no matter how hard you try, still torments others, that doesn't mean they're some ceaselessly malicious entity or whatever new term you want to make to separate from the idea they perhaps are that way for a reason. Yes, even if you did everything "right" like being gentle, trying to come to compromises, offering privileges and things they might want, asking what it is they want or need, etc. and they still won't relent.

We don't all respond well to the usual advice. In fact, if I were them, it'd all feel completely manipulative; like I was being bribed or coaxed into silence. That's not to say that's the intent, but it may as well be. Of course, it's normal to see a threat and want it to stop, but sometimes there isn't some secret, unspoken need they're maladaptively trying to voice or some misguided attempt at protecting themselves/the system. Sometimes the violence IS the point and any attempt to make them palatable will only piss them off.

That doesn't make them any more evil than any other alter in that system. They have their reasons and approaching them with the end goal of changing their behavior may very well be why they never will. If all you see is pointless violence and a need for it to end, that could be viewed as needing them to end. And honestly, maybe you do want them gone and to be done with them. Fair enough, but don't be surprised if the feeling is mutual.

Rather than approaching them with intent to change their behavior or blanketly label them beyond reproach, try understanding them and ask yourself if maybe there's a reason why someone in your system would be like that. Say what you will about barriers, but you share the same brain with them. That undoubtedly means somewhere, in some way, there's a connection between how they are and your system as a whole which seriously could use addressing.

Now, is it fair to demand people who are being antagonized, often even harmed and threatened, by someone they can't escape to accept them as they are and try to with them? No, but neither is it fair to lock someone away, demonize them, and label them beyond redemption because they didn't fit some arbitrary category or didn't respond to the typical "kill it with kindness" approach.

Feel free to keep making terms to try and justify your actions, but last I checked "repression" isn't typically a strategy used in a healthy context.

[facelessgf]

'Malicitor' is definitely something I take back. It's not what I am, but it's what the former host thought of me. Everyone has a part like me in their mind but I happen to be my own person and I want to live.

[petrichorvoices]

Sometimes I worry that some of you use persecutor to mean ‘headmate that does things I don’t like’ and ‘headmate that is ruder or angrier than we’d like’ and it does not make me want to tell people that I am a persecutor.

[rotarygore]

I want to sink my teeth into "your" flesh. I want to start with "your" arms, in front of the mirror. I just want to see the pathetic look on our face as the abomination inside your mind devours the very body you claimed for yourself, sweetheart.

[wishiwasfiction]

hi! system that writes a lot of plurality! i have more thoughts!

if part of the story is 'Villain actually has a reason for doing what they do, and once they get help to work through that reason they're really not so bad anymore' then it often becomes really good rep, since there's dimension and realism and growth/development and stuff.

or you could do some stuff that's POV: Villain that explains their thought process and that they're actually doing it for a very valid reason that the Guy just isn't aware of.

If there are other members of the subsys beyond those two, then giving Villain a close/positive relationship with one of the others will go a long way. if not, give them a hobby or something that brings them obvious joy/passion.

The other option is to give the Villain something that they are completely and utterly terrified of. it could be anything, but making it clear that they aren't invulnerable, that they are doing these horrible things out of fear can go a fair way to making them seem like and Actual Person, and making them understandable/relatable to the audience.

the 'evil alter' trope is generally know for being entirely flat, part of the stereotype is that 'evil alters' are never anything but pure evil and maliciousness, they hate everyone and everything and they're completely a lost cause to ever be anything different.

So if you can give the Villain something they care about, or things that make them have intense emotions, or a hurdle they overcome, it goes a long way to being different from the trope.

So. Long story as short as possible. We’re writing the story of one of our headmates sources.

Issue is that they also happen to be a subsystem and The Villain.

On one hand, we don’t want to write them as Guy With an Evil Alter. On the other, it is very easy to read them to be like that.

While it is far more complicated than that, I’m uncertain on how to approach this. Advice would be appreciated!

Are there other places you can insert some plurality? The evil alter trope is a problem because that's a large portion of our representation, but it's balanced out a bit when there's other examples of what plurality can look like involved.

-Mod Tick Tock

[ex-malicitor]

We got married to a singlet in August. I kinda had no say in it, I never got to know him first. But I’m not upset at all. He’s fantastic… like, I’ve never trusted anyone. Period. I trust him. I actually trust this man. [Redacted] did a good job picking him out. I mean, he’s made me open up in ways I never thought I could. He actually got me to say I love him and mean it… he didn’t make me say it, but he made me trust him enough to say it.

I literally fear most cis men, but not him. Not this one. Honestly… he kinda made me want to heal. I’m doing this for him. I finally just.. don’t want to hurt someone. He makes me not want to hurt.. anyone. Ever again.

[syscultureis]

system culture is blocking the pro endo and rq shit tags bc SOMEONE likes to scroll through them at 3am when we should be sleeping because it likes to make us pissed for no reason other than his entertainment /lh

(for context, bug is an anger holder and feels he hasn't been useful to the system, so it's just trying his best to make up for it. bug is not a malicitor)

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[zeros-hell]

I actually wanna post on this blog but I have no fucking ideas.

Good news (to one else on earth but me) I’ve discovered the most upsetting possible thing I can do to my headmates and now almost all of them hate me.

[antiendosystemterms]

Sexual persecutor flag

A flag for sexual persecutors

Sexual malicitor

A flag for sexual malicitors

((terms made by community. Flags made by us))

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