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Brand New Moves by tawaen
Brand New Moves
by tawaen
T, 7k, Wangxian
Summary: In the most ambitious heist ever planned, Team Rocket attempts to steal two legendary Pokémon – one from the Burial Mounds Gym Leader, Wei Ying; and one from the Snow White Pavilion Gym Leader, Lan Zhan. These two former rivals are paired up to battle against one another for the first time since becoming Gym Leaders! Will they be able to defeat Team Rocket? Or will they loose their composure and their Pokémon? (Just joking, Wei Ying and Lan Zhan never even notice Team Rocket. They only have eyes for each other!) Kay's comments: It's been a hot minute since I last consumed any Pokémon content, but you don't have to be very knowledgeable to get the gist of this fic. Rivals fem Wangxian meet again after years apart to battle, now both as gym trainers and it goes differently than expected. Really loved the slow clearing of the past misunderstandings between them and of course the Wen-Wei found family vibes. And Wei Ying the MILF. Excerpt: “Wei Ying,” Lan Zhan breathes out raggedly. She comes up to the top landing, but doesn't get any closer. “Can you tell me what I did wrong?” Wei Ying tries to keep her voice even, “You didn't do anything wrong.” She doesn't succeed. Her voice breaks as she says that. “You forfeit the match. You are crying. Please, what can I do?” Lan Zhan keeps her voice soft. Before today, they have not spoken in almost four years. Wei Ying has never heard her be so gentle. She clearly will not leave until she knows Wei Ying is fine. So Wei Ying just needs to convince her of that, somehow. “You really didn't do anything wrong. I just wasn't expecting to see Froslass again. I swear, I just need a moment. Then I'll be fine.” Lan Zhan sucks in a breath, “I traded to get Froslass because the other person told me you were the original trainer.” “I'm glad she's with you. That's... I really am happy. I'm just surprised.” Wei Ying sternly tells herself that she is happy. This is what she originally wanted.
pov wei wuxian, modern setting, modern with magic, pokemon fusion, female lan wangji/female wei wuxian, rivals to lovers, misunderstandings, madam yu's a+ parenting, dysfunctional jiang family, jiang family dynamics, pokemon gym leaders, pokemon gym leader lan wangji, pokemon gym leader wei wuxian, love confessions, emotional hurt/comfort, families of choice, burial mounds ensemble as family, single parent wei wuxian
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#April 2024#Wangxian Fic Rec#The Untamed#Wangxian#MDZS#Kay's Rec#short fic <15k#teen#Brand New Moves#tawaen#pov wei wuxian#modern setting#modern with magic#pokemon fusion#female lan wangji/female wei wuxian#rivals to lovers#misunderstandings#madam yu's a+ parenting#dysfunctional jiang family#jiang family dynamics#pokemon gym leaders#pokemon gym leader lan wangji#pokemon gym leader wei wuxian#love confessions#emotional hurt/comfort#families of choice#burial mounds ensemble as family#single parent wei wuxian
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Sometimes I wonder what Jiang Cheng could've become if his parents didn't instill a mix of "crippling fear of failure" and "impossibly high standards" in him. Cuz like, his dad was holding him to the vague standard of being as good as wwx, his mom yelling at him whenever he goofed around like wwx, and then both of them expressed disappointment when he's less successful than wwx. The thing both of them seem to ignore though is that wwx got where he is entirely because he had the freedom to fuck around and find out- he trained tirelessly because he made training fun for himself, he was innovative as a cultivators because he experimented and persisted through failures, and he was able to act in line with the Jiang clan moto because his actions had less political pull than members of the main family. Jiang Cheng on the other hand- if he fucked around he got told to "stop stooping to the level of servants." If his achievements were lesser than wwx's, he got either dismissed by his dad or yelled at by his mom to try harder. And if he picked fights with the Wens, they'd have an excuse to destroy his clan. Like ya- no shit that'd create an adult who's terrified of failure.
The kite game serves as such a good metaphor/embodiment of this set back- with Jiang Cheng never being able to shoot as far as Wei Wuxian because he pulls back and shoots closer the second he misses.
And its sad too because he's shown to be pretty brilliant when he's in "fuck it, we ball" mode. Like, when he's not freezing up, he manages to pull off things like rebuilding his entire clan from the ground up, leading armies and taking back territories from the Wens, and I'm fairly sure he's the only character we see counter the Lan music cultivation techniques (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that last one. Also feel free to add any of the other cool shit he did that I'm blanking on at the moment, cuz I know I'm forgetting something).
That being said- even with his anxiety, he's still one of the top cultivators. Imagine what a force of nature he'd be if he could sustain "fuck it we ball" mode
#jiang cheng#jiang fengmian critical#madam yu critical#jiang cheng positive#<- there. its tagged properly so you better not @ me antis#mdzs meta#mdzs#long post#jiang cheng would've been too powerful so his parents decided to nerf him#unfortunate i had this thought around the same time as the discourse is happening and I'm probably inviting trouble with this but eh-#maybe I'll get lucky and the antis will leave me alone#I'm being critical of Madam Yu here but this is NOT a Madam Yu hate blog#I will block depending on how far “criticism” of her goes#apparently I need to add in this edit too- THIS IS NOT A WWX BASHING POST. I WILL BE DELETING ANY COMMENTS WITH WWX BASHING IN THEM
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Horrible thing to say but I think there's a real chance Jiang Yanli was both of her parents' least favorite child and knew it and just kinda. Had to go on with her life knowing that.
#mdzs#jiang yanli#yunmeng siblings#madam yu's favorite kid is jc. she doesn't. um. SHOW it in a very affirming way but he's clearly the one she's emotionally most invested in#jfm's favorite kid is wwx. is he even one of his kids? doesn't matter. he's the favorite#(madam yu does NOT see wwx as her child so he doesn't factor into the calculation for her.)#i think jfm's neglect of jc is talked about. mostly because the both jc and wwx are clearly aware of it and so it's mentioned in novel#but um... DO we see either of yanli's parents give much a shit about her? ever?#jfm doesn't even ask if she WANTS her engagement dissolved before doing so#also the reason stated by other characters for jfm not liking jc is that he's madam yu's child. you know who is ALSO madam yu's child?#i think jfm may find jc.. harder to get along with. but i also think whatever discomfort from his marriage he projects onto his kids#it also extends to yanli. it's just that he's not constantly REMINDED of yanli like he is jc#(because madam yu keeps yelling about it)#and so he just... doesn't think about her much at all#madam yu meanwhile treats yanli with this air of disappointment. she seems to resent that she's 'weak' and gentle and quiet#and that she cares so little about status so as to treat wwx like her little brother#i think yanli is just fundamenally so clearly... not the child either of her parents wanted. and it shows.#i'm slightly peeved fandom doesn't talk about this as much as they talk about the effects the jiang parents had on the two boys.#but to be fair to fandom the book doesn't either#which is probaly just danmei-typical misogyny. but to give a slightly more watsonian reason#i think the yunmeng bros are genuinely unaware of this. yanli is PERFECT how could her parents not love her?#(of course they notice something like zixuan's initial dislike of her but that's blatant.)#(vs the attitude of the jiang parents towards their daughter which seems to be mostly... disinterest and disappointment)
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I think the saddest part about Wei Wuxian's abuse by Madam Yu isn't the whipping or the kneeling or the belittlement... but the way she treated his parents.
Wei Wuxian's parents are dead. He is an orphan. He also lived under the same roof as the man who knew and was friends with his parents, especially his father who used to be his servant.
And yet he knows almost nothing about them, he knows as much as a bystander about who Cangse Sanren and Wei Changze were. The only things he has is a foggy memory or two and other people's gossip. All because of Madam Yu.
He can't mention them, he can't talk about them at all or ask about them because he will get punished, because Madam Yu hates their (mainly his mother's) mere existence and makes it everyone's problem. And it's so funny too, that she is always the one mentioning them in the first place, always to insult them. Wei Wuxian grew up in a place where his parents were badmouthed all the time, where he couldn't mention them or learn anything about them from Jiang Fengmian because Madam Yu made it impossible.
It's just so sad.
#mdzs#wei wuxian#madam yu#jiang fengmian#cangse sanren#wei changze#now that i think about it... is it the same or different changse in their names??#should i write them the same way?#i have no clue and it's almost 5am#you may think wwx isn't too phased he barely mentions his parents at all so he can't feel too badly#but imo it's precisely because of madam yu's treatment that he acts like that#every so often i remember how wwx felt warm inside when he heard xxc mention the story of cssr and cry a little#he would've inhaled any information if he had the chance to#mo dao zu shi#grandmaster of demonic cultivation
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What did they say about the thing when parents are awful, the children are very close and protective of one another?
*squints at Yunmeng Trio and Lan Brothers*
(and I feel like if Jin Zixuan gathered his brothers and Qin su, he would be an overprotective Da-ge, too)
#jiang fengmian made wwx feel like he must repay him with his life#which he did#all the while neglecting jiang cheng and making him insecure beyond his adulthood#don't get me started with madam yu#lan qiren is okay-cool cuz he's the uncle who stepped up#but sometimes his 3000+ rules could be more important#making xichen extremely worried for wangji#don't get me started with the self-secluded father#and the trauma that these boys might have for always seeing their mom in prison#wei wuxian#jiang yanli#jiang cheng#lan wangji#lan xichen#jin zixuan#jin guangyao#mo xuanyu#qin su#jiang fengmian#yu ziyuan#parenting#mdzs a+ parenting#mo dao zu shi
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no because fr and when they say jc is just like his mother and I'm over here "do you realize that should be offensive, right?" BUT THEY SAY IT AS COMPLIMENT OMG
The man doesn't even like himself yet has an entitlement complex because of her and how she raised him. It's baffling that they try to say because she loved him, there was no abuse.
Or that it's "cultural dissonance". I grew up with a traditional Mexican family where the men are placed on pedestals of entitlement yet called trash as well as the women in our households mocked for being women and expected roles to fulfill as a woman. I saw enough of one of my parents as well as friends mothers being emotionally and sometimes physically abusive while we all claimed it was discipline or for our own good, that they did it because they cared and loved us.
No matter what love is apparently involved it doesn't erase years of abusive harm done to children. We learn to call it not as terrible, not as bad, not that serious from the start because they were parents and it was called respect.
And how Madam Yu stans say these same things is terrifying and sad. No I do not think she is a strong girl boss women when she raised her son to be as awful as her and verbally abused him that he has a self esteem complex that made him hate Wei Wuxian who wanted to support him because she was a hateful and jealous women.
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A thought I had, (this isn't a fully thought out meta, just an impression of sorts.)
Something about Wei Wuxian's inherited vengeance.
Where did Wei Wuxian get that vengeance from? Mild-mannered Jiang Fengmian? Benevolent and kind Jiang Yanli? Cangse Sanren, who Wei Wuxian remembers saying something along the lines of remember the good things people do for you not the bad? Wei Changze?
The child of Cangse Sanren and Wei Changze would've likely done something along the lines of protecting the common people and fighting for justice during the Sunshot campaign, but did Wei Wuxian do that?
No, I tell you truly, Wei Wuxian is also the child of Yu Ziyuan. Did they have anything resembling a healthy relationship? No. But the child of Cangse Sanren and Wei Changze wouldn't slaughter thousands in unholy vengeance. Wouldn't extract oceans of blood for every drop stolen.
But the child of Yu Ziyuan would.
That isn't to say, he's only the child of Yu Ziyuan, no, we see glimpses of the influences of his other parental figures throughout the story.
Look at how he doesn't flinch from leaving the proverbial (paradise) mountain to save the wen remnants (CSSR), look at his compassion for the common people (Jiang Yanli); His sense of loyalty (Wei Changze), level headedness (Jiang Fengmian).
Something about how conscious he is of debt. Does that stem from his inherent preference of righteous action? His desire to do right? Yes. But I wouldn't discount his awareness of debt also coming from a quasi-maternal figure like Yu Ziyuan. Now there is a woman aware of debt, what she owes and what is owed to her.
Everyone is shaped by the adult figures in their life, and we inherit many things from them, such as traumas, perspectives and traits.
I posit Wei Wuxian is no different. But, just like Wei Wuxian, we aren't defined by our parental figures.
#there are a lot of things to be said about#parental relationship#in mdzs#especially about wwx's#about WWX's and YZY's relationship in particular#but i feel like we forget about what WWX learned from her#and forget her influence in his life besides the mistreatment#children learn from the people around them even if those people are far from faultless#wei Wuxian#yu ziyuan#madam yu#violet spider#yiling laozu#yiling patriarch#wei ying#cangse sanren#wei changze#jiang fengmian#jiang yanli#mdzs#mdzs meta#the grandmaster of demonic cultivation#the untamed#wwx#yzy#jfm#cssr#wcz
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I will openly admit that a big reason why I am so harsh on Jiang Cheng is because (and this is as an Asian coming from a small Asian country) I would never have treated my siblings the way he did. Filial piety and cultural traditions be damned. He might have 'succeeded' as a sect leader, but he completely failed as a brother. I don't think he had the right to demand Wei Wuxian to fulfill his promise when it would have cost the lives of countless innocent people. I think the fact that he never gave his brother the benefit of the doubt, in that he wasn't just trying to play hero like Jiang Cheng had always accused him of doing, was shameful of him.
He might have succeeded by society's standards, but morally and even by the standards of the Jiang Clans motto, he failed miserably, and I think it's genuinely one of the things that haunts him. Something that he hides behind his anger and grief because facing it meant facing the part he had played in the demise of Wei Wuxian and indirectly even Yan Li
In The Untamed, I really liked that when Wei Wuxian was falling to his death, there was a moment focused on Jiang Chengs face where he seemed to be asking himself, "What have I done?" But of course, the moment passes as quickly as it came, and that's pretty much Jiang Cheng in a nutshell. He has turned into his mother. Bitter. Angry. Spiteful. Petty in her willingness to blame anyone and everyone for playing a part in her misery except for herself.
I'd like to think at the end that there is a glimmer of hope for him and Wei Wuxian's relationship. But time is probably what they need most.
#jiang cheng#yu ziyuan#wei ying#madame yu#mdzs#mo dao zu shi#wei wuxian#mine#and for the record i have had to do go against my parents and traditio. fir my sisters#at a significant cost#but j would dk it again in a heart beat
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Your sister told me the most interesting story about Sect Leader Yao just now… Is it truth? You know very well A-Sang has a way of twisting words for her own entertainment. It will be shortly~
Nie-zongzhu and Nie-furen, seconds before all hell breaks loose, courtesy of Nie Huaisang.
#mdzs#the untamed#mingxian#nie mingjue#wei wuxian#female wei wuxian#female nie huaisang#mentioned#that au where nmj falls in love with his little sister’s bestie#and yzy does everything in her power to ensure the match goes through so she can FINALLY get rid of wei ying#the one (1) time madam yu and wwx are on the same page lol#bby nie is going to be the worst of both his parents (affectionate)#fic ideas#mdzs art#mdzs au#my art
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I need more fics of people telling wei ying he looks almost identical to his father
#mdzs#wei ying#wei changze#especially one where wei yings parents are still alive and madam yu still pushing those rumours#with jiang fengmain still not shutting them down#wei ying and wei changze walk into a room together and people can barely tell them apart
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But she is tho
#cool i mean#maybe not parent of the year but she is a badass#wang lingjiao on the other hand…#madame yu#yu ziyuan#cql bts
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Madam Yu defenders will be like "Madam Yu was a complex person with a tragic life and though none of that excuses her actions, it does explain them so please stop reducing to her to a monster and a caricature of an evil woman" and her haters will respond "so you condone child abuse"
#yu ziyuan#mdzs#madam yu#mdzs discourse#literally no one is claiming what she did was ok. we literally just want you to see the humanity in her and stop lying about her#because there are so few critics out there about the shit she actually did#like the only actually interesting critical take I've seen about her is how she taught the kids she raised pettiness violence and vengeance#most of the shit I've seen on the madam yu tag is just fanfic about how she punished wwx for trying to learn about his parents#or fanfic about her trying to kill him every day or stunt his cultivation#or the wildest fanfic I've seen so far- claiming that she cheated on jfm and that jc is an affair child and she's projecting on wwx#like none of that happened but yall hate her so much you're convinced its canon#but of course when it comes to the men you can find the humanity in murderers and cannibals#and then these same fucking people will turn around and accuse mxtx of being sexist
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I feel like the MDZS fandom as a whole really does not talk enough about the existence of Jinzhu and Yinzhu
Like, Madame Yu has goons. Madame Yu has a pair of goons that follow her everywhere and have rhyming themed names. And we've all just accepted this without a single comment
#like don't get me wrong I *love* them#I'm so glad they exist#but they mainly feature in one of the most grimdark parts of MDZS#(the destruction of Lotus pier my beloved)#and they're. bit characters#I cannot get over the fact that they have matching themed names. like did their parents name them that??#if you try to make it make sense in universe it gets so funny#I'm obsessed#jinzhu#yinzhu#jinzhu and yinzhu#yu ziyuan#madame yu#mdzs#mo dao zu shi#the grandmasterof demonic cultivation#mdzsposting#jokes
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Young Wei Wuxian: Why should I make my bed, when I'm just gonna unmake it to sleep in it anyways?
Madam Yu: Why should I feed you if your just gonna die anyways?
Wei Wuxian:
Wei Wuxian: I'll go make my bed-
#madame yu and her a+ parenting skills#wei wuxian#incorrect mxtx#incorrect mdzs#incorrect the untamed#lan wangji#jiang cheng#jiang yanli#yunmeng jiang#madam yu
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i love you jiang yanli shes like an oc to me. she got fridged in the book so now i get to say anything i want about her and no one can prove me wrong because she barely gets any agency in canon so we dont know WHAT shed do given the chance
#my thots#thats it thats the post#i just love her. im thinking of her always#<333#shes my baby girl guys. i think she should have lived and i think she should have thriving relationships with other women#and i think she should be allowed to be mad at people and feel betrayed and be mad about that and she should be allowed to be ugly and jeal#jealous and imperfect and yell sometimes#and she should be allowed to be an imperfect mother#i think she should be allowed to be fairly strict when parenting for real she should have kind of high standards#like jin ling has to really give his all to anything he wants to do and if he doesnt full ass every part shes like why are you even doing#this. a-ling do you really care be honest.#and if he doesnt thats fine its just nothing is ever casual when jiang yanli is involved#modern au where yanli has a teenage rebellion phase and runs away from home for a month and when she comes back#her mother is like. yeah thats what i thought you little bitch and yanli just says oh fuck you too.#and yu ziyuan is like damn i see how it is. i see your game okay#and after that yanli has an allowance now she didnt previously but now she does#i can argue this btw in terms of like where im getting this characterization specifically for madam yu moreso than for yanli#but anyway. i love them both thats it
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Okay I know ppl have written "wei ying gets taken in by another clan entirely," and I do love a good lan clan adoption early on and LQR being a better person for it but. Nie clan finds and adopts WWX, and WWX is able to prevent Nie Zongzhu's saber from being tampered with or does something that allows him to survive that one night hunt. If the timelines I've seen worked out are right that hunt probably happened after the Gusu studies? So WWX is fully into his whole genius baby stage at that point.
What if he prevented Nie Zongzhu from dying really early (even if he didn't save him entirely - like maybe he couldn't prevent some permanent damage...), & got invested exploring resentment energy due to nie clan sabers? What if saving Nie zongzhu is something Wen Qing secretly helps with which is why Mingjue doesn't hate all the Wens nearly as much? Ughhh.
I might write something on this idea.
#mdzs#i dont know how jgy fits into this at all but i demand more nhs being amazing and nmj loving his baby brother(s)#...weird ships i might be into: nmj x wq or nmj x jyl#i also want huaisang's mama to still be alive. maybe nie zongzhu is too weak to fully lead so huaisang's mom is secretly running things#i want nie er furen being the pretty thing with a massive spy network shes grooming huaisang to take over#wwx being loved for his ingenuity and his fierce loyalty and protectiveness!!!#maybe he still gets a jian to honor his parents#maybe suibian is a remelt of his mother's sword#idk i feel like wwx should get to thrive far away from madam yu and jfm lol
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