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Slit for sticking his leggy out. They are going to get Mongolian Beef.
Mostly I just wanted to draw Gerry in his skirt again.
#gerard keay#gerry keay#jonathan sims#tma#the magnus archives#random sketches#my art#just for fun#he originally bought this skirt to dress as morticia when jon was in college#jon dressed as gomez#they’d never hesrd of the addams family georgie made them do it#jongerry vs the world#the fanfiction all these drawings are based in#by iceeckos12#like this doesnt happen in it thats just where the dynamic comes from#jongerry
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I think alot more people would enjoy the show if they learned to see Rhaenyra and Alicent as Unreliable Narrators, and characters who are supposed to have glaring flaws and weaknesses.
Mandatory preface- There are Issues™️ with season 2 that are its own other ask- but the complaints ive seen about character assassination on both women kind of tells me ppl just wanted to see the two just GirlBossing around, not being tragic characters trapped in their own circumstances.
For Alicent specifically- she just isn't written to be Cersei 2.0, and while it was really interesting to see motherhood from cersei's point of view, its already been done!! I actually prefer seeing Alicent's mercurial clinging to and abandoning motherhood- its interesting!! She was made a mother at what- 15? An age where you truly arent mentally developed enough to raise 3 kids, AND be a child bride, AND be a queen, (AND be a lesbian).
Alicent is interesting to me because she's stunted at 15 years old, she's an adult woman who talks to and sometimes bullies her kids as if they are her peers, and is obsessed with her childhood crush(es). She hasn't built any new relationships* past the ones she was entangled with as a teenager, she's obsessed with both acting out to make SOMEONE see that shes suffering, (she's honestly pretty blatant for someone who prides themselves on being the Temperate Voice of Reason) but also to erase herself and reset to before she had to marry the king, before aemma died.
I think most of her 'bad out of character' decisions are just these two impulses winning out, her trying to force a reset, go back to a time where none of this had happened yet, when things were simpler and she had love and every day wasn't the worst day of her life™️.
She sleeps with cole, the man she thought was pretty at 15 (her last uncomplicated attraction just before it all went wrong and aemma died) -she doesnt seem to like it that much, but she does seem compelled to seek him out, esp when upset- shes obsessed with, and desperate to reconnect with Rhaenyra, her childhood best friend (and first love) and get back to where they were as kids, AND she still treats and asks her father for absolution as if he's still the only authority that matters to her just like she did at 15. Alot of her 'victim complex/bewildered they took it so far' behaviour in the plotting of rhaenyra's usurption reads to me like a teenager in over her head, she talked big game and now its real and shes panicking!! She's tragic BECAUSE she's still a teenager- so stunted shes unable to meaningfully grow up and learn to make healthier choices for herself, or move on and stop trying to grasp at the 'if i could just go back' urge.
As a mother, I think this creates an interesting dynamic as well, and I do like that in the casting even, she seems closer in age to her kids than rhaenyra does to hers. I think the contrast ppl are drawing with Alicent Protecting Her Kids in season1 compared to her giving them up in season two isn't bad writing to me, just massive differences in context. Sure she protected Aemond in driftmark, but we cant ignore that she probably felt humiliated by her husband choosing rhaenyra's side over hers in front of everyone, did it seem like a grown woman fighting for her son?? or a teenager furious with her ex winning one over her again? or both!! both sides twisted together is still interesting! When she protected Aegon from Rhaenys, is stepping in front of her son the king to protect him from the enemies dragon fire not the most romantic daydream of a deserving death a child bride could come up with?? Was it the impulse to protect the son she couldnt decide if she loved or hated, or was it to have the most heroic death possible to escape the reality that she sees coming. And if Rhaenyra hears about how Brave she was in the face of a dragons maw, and cries about it forever and feels sooo bad and regrets it til the day she dies, thats an added bonus. I think Alicent loves her kids, but is teenager selfish about HOW she loves and protects her kids, and is unable to be a mature, consistant, protective mother to them when she also sees them as having ruined her life. I think in season 2 when she 'gives them up' shes relieved, and once again following the compulsion of 'if i reset to when Rhaenyra was heir, i had no sons, and i wasn't married or queen, everything will be better'. I think theres complexity to it, i think she does love her sons and feels insane about it, but I think Alicent has been trying to Go Back in more and more Intense ways ever since she got married, and we might be giving her sanity more credit than it deserves when it comes to the need to wipe the board clean and go back to being 15.
hey anon are you trying to get married to me or what
#answered#anonymous#house of the dragon#hotd#rhaenicent#alicent hightower#EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT#every time we remember that alicent is a stunted teenager who married a man twice her age another angel gets its wings#even rhaenyra is nowhere NEAR as stunted as alicent who was popping babies at 15#her relationship switches from protecting mother to a sneering older sister to HER OWN KIDS#because shes emotionally stuck at the age her life went to complete hell#thanks again otto for the lifelong trauma
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Yk what, we always get the dynamic of "what would happen if Ford saw Stan during some of his worse moments and basically rescues him before shit gets worse", but what about HIS PARENTS seeing what happened to Stan. (Also for of these scenarios, Filbrick would be required to have some sort of guilt conscious, SO for this lets just say he does)
They're down in Texas to see some family and Caryn is out buying groceries for the meal she's going to make and all of a sudden he sees her son who she hasn't seen in more than half a decade, bleeding from his mouth, wrists an angry red as if they had been tied together limping his way to a telephone booth. His hands shake as he struggles to find change, inserting them into the slot and punching in a familiar phone number that she herself calls once a month only to hang up with out saying anything? It's like the world flashes before her eyes and before she knows it, she is sitting next to Stanley's bed in the hospital, her husband standing besides her, regret painting his face. A shock considering she hasn't seen him be anything but stotic faced or angry these last few years.
Or filbrick catching glimpses of red El Diablo cars every once in a while, the regret and guilt of kicking out his son always in the back of his head even if he won't admit it. He loves his children despite his hard cold demeanor, but Stanley needed to face the consequences of his actions, thats the way his father taught him and he was a man of strong values. until one day while he's picking up a few new items for the shop he finds the car his son drove off in with the same vanity plates and everything, only to peek inside as see his son hurt, his labored breathing as he clutches miserably at his bloody abdomen, sweating profusely with sickness. He drops the items in shock as he stumbles back in shock.
With these I like to think maybe Filbrick helps Stan a bit, takes him to the hospital, helps him get a job lets him move back in temporarily (he does have to pay rent but not too much), and while he's still no good father, he's trying. He won't "coddle" stan but he's a bit more present after coming to the realization that he almost lost his son.
For the ones where Filbrick doesnt really feel remorse as much, he'd take stanley to the hospital, but wouldn't "waste" a penny on a lowlife junkie like him. He's an adult afterall, he should be able to take care for himself. Caryn doesn't allow this and finally finds the courage to leave Filbrick and opts to stay with Shermie while Stan recovers. She obviously tells ford and begs him to come and see Stan at least once. She doesn't tell stan of the call and afterwards while ford gets there tries to convince him to settle down somewhere with her, he could get a job and she could continue with hers! And while Stan didn't really want to be anywhere near his family (he does, but he didn't want it to be like this) he accepts because his mom already lost everything, at least this way he could make it up to her.
#gravity falls#stanley pines#stanford pines#gravity falls au#caryn pines#filbrick pines#that bitch can eat shit#also by the way#this doesn't mean he is forgiven instantly#stanley might forgive him#but the damage caused to him?#Caryn doesn't forgive him#after ford realizes what could've and what was happening to Stan he sure as hell doesn't forgive filbrick#and shermie#he knows for sure to not let filbrick anywhere near his children in the near future#they all disown him minus stan#writing prompt#prompt
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OOOOO the dark sbi one sounds fun! Are there any other wips that is dark sbi?
Anyways I am VERY interested in Yoink the identity one please do share🙏
Funny you say that bc yoink the identity is also a dark sbi au!! Kinda. Its actually just more of a horror au if anything (but also yeah a couple of the aus there have got dark elements i cant remember which tho my memory of them only activates when i focus on one)
anyhow that wip is about a shapeshifter au in which wilbur and Phil are supposed to have their weekly dinner night together, but then Wil gets a call with Phil panicking and screaming on the other end, telling him to rush over to his apartment. Wilbur goes over thinking something horrible happened, but when he gets there Phil has no idea what Wil is talking about with the phone call and he seems entirely fine.
They kinda go on with their dinner night but Phil keeps really odd, not quite getting details in the conversation right, seeming lost in his own house, ect. Wilbur ends up hearing a weird noise and sneaks off to investigate to find actual Phil locked in a closet.
To where he then realizes he was not talking with the real Phil and something is seriously fucked up here. They both sneak around the apartment trying to avoid the not Phil thing, who realizes actual Phil got out and starts to try to lure them out by mimicking their voices (it keeps calling for Phil in wilburs voice, “Phil? Phil, whered you go?” And then it switches to Phils voice screaming for help, which makes Wilbur just keep looking at real Phil desperately trying to reassure himself the noise isnt real)
They end up escaping the apartment and calling Techno, their mutual buddy, for help, but then the shapeshifter starts following them outside and they’re running across the empty streets in the middle of the night to try and lose it. Techno eventually finds them and nearly runs them over, and then proceeds to try purposely running the shapeshifter over upon seeing it come around the corner, looking like Phil but with everything about him seeming just Wrong. (Eyes glinting too hard, his walk stumbling too much, the voice from his mouth still being Wilburs-) so sbi is in the car now. Techno hits the thing with his car. They check to see if they killed it, and they watch as the shapeshifter tries to then turn into a kid, but still clinging onto Phils features, so then it just looks like a kid version of Phil (tommy!! Yays)
Its then crying about getting hit with a car and mimicking all their voices interchangeably to ask for help, and Techno is about to get back in the car to run it over a second time!! Only for Phil to stop him bc he wants to know what the heck the shapeshifter is even trying to do. Here is where i lose the plot a bit but i think from there on it would be cool for the three of them to argue amongst themselves over if they should be pitying a monster thing, not noticing Tommy getting closer until he’s right next to them and he’s taken Technos form and voice to try and join their conversation. This somehow results in them realizing he’s really not that harmful. Family dynamics
The thing is “Tommy” is meant to be a very naive type of shapeshifter who doesnt really have a grasp on humans, and he took Phils place first bc he heard about the dinner and he wanted to meet Wil. And then he sees Techno and how Phil and Wilbur talk with him and thats why he turns into a Techno. He also turns young when hes hurt bc he recognizes that humans treat their young gently. Its a neat concept! Alas its also a wip. I have no idea where the family dynamics will form but by god theyre gonna be somewhere
Also its called yoink the identity bc obviously tommy shapeshifter took phils place for a second there haha
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Ford is Not used to being dependant on someone as an adult - especially since Stan isn't dependant on him At All in return. It's gotta be doing weird things to his neurons, he would probably sit like a dog if Stan told him to, he is pathetic amounts of in love with him this is past partner in crime he's his hero, his guide, his Muse, his god, Ford is in a really weird headspace
OOOH i love this version of stancest sm. i know this is likely about the little ford au but i also just love this kind of stancest in regular sea grunkles and kills me. so much of stancest (and tbh just in their canon dynamic) is stan nipping at ford's feet and following ford's lead even their sea grunkles era. a lot of darker stancest always infers with ford being obssesive and controlling too and usually stan lets it, because hey thats their dynamic and its better than nothing.
but the opposite has SO much potentil. ford following stans lead. to think of ford realizing that he's way WAY out of his depth and that he needs stan way more than stan needs him now?? maybe he ALWAYS needed stan more than stan needs him?? after all, what did ford say about how stan wouldve been able to see through bill's tricks?? if they were together, the apocalypse wouldve never happened...
ford would think he's so lost now, lost without any purpose now that bill is defeated and he doesnt want the fame anymore either now that he knows his chase for it is what made him lose his brother, so he feels SO empty. except hes not. theres stan. stan whos strong, brilliant, charming and the most selfless hero ford would ever know.
ford wants to protect him so much but another day of stan saving his ass from a monster they were investigating (because he got too curious again) and ford thinks he could never EVER measure up to the way stan protects him, loves him, cherishes him and takes care of him. it makes ford feel awful, unworthy of this love after he promised he'd do anything to earn back that second chance stan too gracefully gave him. he can't fathom the idea of stan finally wisening up and leaving him even if its no less than he really deserves, because what else will he have anymore if he doesnt have his best friend, his hero, his true muse? it'll fester in his mind, growing and growing and growing, and he shoves it down deeper and deeper as much as he can.
but one night, one bottle and a million inhibitions thrown over the railing of the stan o war, he'll finally break when stan smiles at him while they sit on the deck, looking so happy when that makes no sense.
stan deserves the world, the entire galaxies, and ford can't give them to him at that very moment. he'll start crying, overwhelmed with how much he loves stan and how stan deserves the best— one ford has to grudgingly admit isnt him.
"woah, woah, sixer," stan interrupts worriedly, face falling. "what's wrong? come on, we arent even that drunk yet."
the joking tone makes ford feel worse, because how could stan stop smiling because of him and still try to make ford feel better? "i'm sorry," ford chokes. "stan, god, i'm so sorry."
"stanford," stan says placatingly. ford understands that stan understands too, that this isn't about the alcohol, or about crying out of nowhere. his hands cup ford's face, so large and warm, like a place where ford could hide his face forever with the depths os his shame and stan might even let him. that breaks ford even more. "hey come on, bro, s'okay..."
"don't leave me."
"i'm not leaving you, your big brain knows that."
you should, ford thinks but will never say, because he can't. "i can't lose you again," ford whispers with shaky breath. "i w-wouldn't know what to do with myself—"
"ford—"
"— because you're so brilliant, and brave, and good—"
"— i guess but—"
"—you're so good stan," ford interrupts whatever faux preening stan was going to do. his brother doesnt believe him, and ford practically crawls into his space.
"you are so, so good. you are so good and you don't even realize, i—" ford's breath hitches. "i don't even know how i could ever repay you..."
"pff, alright," stan scoffs, looking away, cheeks bright red and smile unconvincing. "jeez ford, you really are drunk." he laughs, his shoulders stiff and unmoving. "like what, are you trying to suck my dick?"
"is that what you want?"
stans eyes snap back to him, wide and full of shock.
"what?"
"is that what you want me to do?"
"no, ford– i'm not–"
"stan," ford says, reaching his hand now to cup stan's face, and god he's just as much of a perfect fit in ford's as he was in stan's. stan is so much bigger and better than anyone else, but with his own extra finger he just might be fit for ford. "stan, it's okay. whatever you want, whatever you need, i'll do it. for you."
sort of something like that. i really really like to think of a slightly toxic, but like in the "its toxic and also the healthiest way this dynamic can really go about" ending where ford tries to overcompensate to stan with sex and romance and stan is relunctant at first but seeing just how willing ford actually is really starts getting into the whole dom/sub— which fulfills some purpose for ford AND he gets to have stan come all over him so its kind of a huge win on all fronts
#didnt meant to turn this to a ficlet but heyyy#why not#stancest#ask#ficlet#ig#but god ah i love guilty ford i love obsessive ford i love no confidence ford#i love WORSHIPPING ford#and i love stan who cant habdle all that but he will cuz its ford lmfao#god sm of stancest to me is 'stan will because its ford' SBFUEJDURBRUDJD#archive#might make this into a whole fic or something but idk i was honestly just kinda getting carried away while answering this dhdjdudjddhdn
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I have never seen power bottom Remus. I think it fits him better than other dynamics. Give me your input please.
it would be my honour OKAY so to me, personally, remus is a bit of a late bloomer with relationships and sex. i think he's very shy and awkward and just likes being with his friends more than anything else, so when he gets to the age of starting to explore who he is and his sexuality he kinda hangs back as everyone else dates around or figures out who they are, he stays with them and tries to join in but he isn't too sure what he wants. plus, i love tall remus as a tall person myself, and sometimes its really hard to see yourself as anything but a top dom when you're tall (especially when people put you in that category on height alone, yes this happens irl lmao) and i think remus would have experiances where he's kinda doing stuff he doesnt really enjoy that much to make the other person happy, and eventually it wears him down but ALAS, he meets sirius black who is the best dom in the world and the best top and he wants remus to have fun, to do whatever he wants to do. he doesn't care if remus is triple his height, he wants to take it in the ass? he's getting it anyway he wants. remus stays submissive for a few months into their relationship before he finally starts to come into his own and realise his kinks and his turn ons and one night he shyly asks sirius if he can hold his wrists down when he rides him and remus is SO nervous but sirius soothes him and tells him he'd love that, so when they're in the middle of sex, sirius doesnt ask when hes going to do it, he just lets remus go with the flow, and as he's riding he gently takes sirius' arms and puts them above his head, holding him so softly even though he's about to do what he's gonna do, and he starts riding him harder than ever, panting and moaning and grunting as he fucks himself, almost forgetting sirius is there for a second because he's purely focusing on himself (remus never does this lmao) and sirius is in AWE of this man and the confidence he's gained since they met and does sirius cum so hard his legs shake after? yes, but so does remus, and he realises he's gripping sirius' wrists too tight and starts apologising but sirius kisses him so fucking hard like 'you're so sexy baby, you made me feel so good, did you feel good?' and remus is bright red but nodding and after that remus will sometimes work up the courage to do stuff like that again, like fuck himself back onto sirius' cock from behind, tug at sirius' hair to make him look into his eyes when he's being fucked into the mattress, and when they're having slow sex he runs a hand up to sirius' throat and tHATS a new kink they discover together
#i ramble when i get to talk about remus#he's my boy#the marauders#remus lupin#sirius black#wolfstar#mail
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(Sorry for the ramble but these 2 idiots have been stuck in my brain for days now)
Soo can we talk about the fact that after the meeting with Sunday, Ratio immediately asks if Aven is okay. Like my dude, you're still in the dream and are being watched, that's not how someone who just 'betrayed' another person acts.
Also, Aven being the one who has to subtly correct Ratio (at least thats the interpretation im going with) reminding him that they still have to act like they hate each other. (They're both geniuses in completely different ways, textbook definition of book smarts vs streets smarts)
ALSO, dispite that slip up from Ratio, Aven still doubting whether Ratio was acting or not (someone get this man a hug and some therapy I swear)
Anyways, I love these 2 idiots, and I hope we get to see more of their dynamic, specifically outside Penacony, bc I suspect most of what we saw was an act to trick The Family, and their actual dynamic hasn't been shown that much
its in ratios nature to be so harsh and not filtering, its just ratio
to shorten it, hoyo literally made him a tsundere. he calls aventurine an idiot and cares about his wellbeing. HIS SHY FACE IS HIM LOOKING ANGRY AND AVERTING HIS EYES HHHHHDHHHH its all so obvious
my thoughts/short ramble abt their dynamic utc
while all that happened was aventurine and ratio acting and fooling everyone, i dont think much in their dynamic would change outside of it. ratio is harsh and sarcastic and angry and loud etcetc (not out of malice) but he does care at the same time so i see him keep up his usual ratio-typical behavior towards aventurine - altho softening, toning it down, especially when aventurine is clearly suffering/behaving differently than you usually see him (like when he asked him if hes okay or when he thought he offended him) but other times harsh as usual, maybe even more aggressive when aventurine does get under his skin what a tsundere
(also, when you pair him with aventurine, he says (in his usual harsh way) "take care of yourself, i dont need your concern" - i think this shows really nicely how his dynamic/feelings toward aventurine are - harsh and caring in the same breath, aventurine is self destructive after all)
anw yea ig i derailed a bit sorry. i think ratio raised his usual behavior by some lvls than he would usually treat aventurine to not raise suspicions, trying to come off like he doesnt care and like aventurine is an unpleasant annoyance
the cutscene where aventurine is about lie and sentence himself? the look ratio gives him?
when aventurine is about to open the box that will expose his lie and he looks up to catch ratios gaze before he turns away ?
maybe im thinking too much into it, theres also prob different ways to interpret this but their lingering gazes, like a silent exchange between them underneath that act and ratio turning away when he gets his answer-
and yea like u mentioned ratios acting, his behavior towards aventurine, being so good that even aventurine is doubting if its an act or his true feelings towards him (giving him that hug myself!!!!!!)
anw thats my (not organized) thoughts tho, maybe their dynamic does change to smth entirely different than what i babble abt here, who knows. anw cant wait to see them reunite and show more!!!
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hi, please, sell me on akirui, tell me all about them please. ive been thinking about them after the devil’s manner april fools thing and i just need to hear someone go insane about it i think
uh, yeah!! :]
HELLO. OUGH OUGH OUGH WHERE DO I BEGIN.
first of all the "like oil and water" trust rank title (that ensekai butchered but what doesnt ensekai butcher involving queer ppl lbr)
okay first of all i just think the premise of where their dynamic starts is so funny bc they r so >:3 >:| core and i love that for them.
BUT. goes under the cut bc i have thoughts and feelings
the thing i LOOOVE tapping into with akirui (and akikasa/akiruikasa) as well is that for all akito bitches and moans hes more like rui (and tsukasa) then he insists he isnt.
i made another post before about akito and tsukasa both push themselves beyond their health limits for their dreams (and as well in my fic 'the balsam, fallen silent' it comes up that tsukasa's stunt in phoenix pissed akito off BECAUSE of how much it reminded him of himself with what happened in sbd)
with rui you have to read between the lines a bit more but there's a big deal made of how they're both very passionate about what they create and making what they create the best they can be
similarly to the phoenix/sbd stuff, rui does also push himself in a different but similar way, as seen in darkfes, where akito chastises him for downplaying his injury and to let people help him for the sake of putting on the best show possible.
you could argue there's a point of comparison to be made about how much they mask. akito with his polite front he uses around people he doesn't know, and rui reigning himself in at best or acting completely detached from what hurts him at worst. there's an excerpt from a fic i really like that summarizes rui's state well i think:
(taken from 'summer heat' by cepheide, a very good, 10/10 recommended akirui read from me)
and also as well as of the most recent event, we have rui asking akito who does and doesn't know about the latter's fear of dogs because he's trying to be delicate and careful regarding discussion of what is described to be trauma for akito, and akito is shown to be surprised and very touched by this act.
i don't think akito ever truly fully hated tsukasa or rui, but in the case of rui you can really see how much akito grows to tolerate and enjoy his company, to the point he can enjoy himself in rui's presence so long as rui doesn't try to treat him like tsukasa (ie: the situations)
also if i can ever finish the wip i have w/ them. the topic does come of shinei being a shithead, and i don't think we talk enough about how of the times we've seen rui genuinely pissed off and ready to throwdown it was about someone harming (emotionally or otherwise) a person he cares about. rui would hear about shinei and experience a rage unlike anything he's experienced since the scuffles with shosuke emus brothers. ive said this before but if akitoya is "lets run away together and we can escape everything and everyone thats ever hurt us", akirui is "you can run to me, i'll protect you. i won't let anyone hurt you ever again"
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All right I take the bait. Why do you believe Manel should have accompanied Pacifica at the party
AHHH THANK YOU IM SO EXCITED TO EXPLAIN MYSELF (in reference to this post)
ok. northwest mansion mystery is a great episode obviously. but HERES why i think the episode would've been even better if mabel was in dippers spot!!!!!! its kinda a lot so i put it under a read more
so this episode is sort of the middle-ish of season 2 i think, right before the ford reveal!! its not a super long show anyway so theres not a ton of pacifica appearances, anyway. BUT in EVERY SINGLE OTHER PACIFICA EPISODE, her energy has been bouncing off of mabel!!! from their meeting in double dipper, to irrational treasure, to golf war; they have been established as the main dynamic here. golf war is especially important here, because this is the very first step in pacfica's redemption arc! mabel saves her in this episode, the pines give her a ride home, and it seems like pacifica is going to start being a little more understanding of mabel because she had misjudged her, hence why she was treating her so poorly. it looks like theyre gonna establish a friendship between them!
and then. they dont. they basically never interact again. because the next time we see pacifica, she goes straight to dipper in northwest manor mystery. the cold open implies that the northwests wanted dipper specifically because of his knowlege of how to deal with the supernatural but IN MY OPINION that DOESNT EVEN MAKE SENSE because we NEVER see dipper fighting these monsters on his own? hes ALWAYS with mabel. at the very least, i think it shouldve been BOTH of them??? we see a brief shot of a newspaper clipping where dipper is fighting a vampire bat or something and i just. when did this happen. where is mabel
that would be a fine argument for it being both of them instead of just mabel so heres one of my bigger points thats gonna come back a lot in this breakdown: dipper. does not like pacifica. he STRAIGHT UP HATES HER. every single interaction theyve had has been negative!!! its even massively negative at the beginning of this ep!!!! though mabel often dislikes pacifica, she TRIES REALLY HARD TO LIKE HER. mabel has a lot of love in her heart, and if she could, shed want to be her friend!!! its always been pacifica whos been rejecting those advances!!! golf war was the start of pacifica understanding that about mabel, and it nmm wouldve been the PERFECT time to wrap up that arc, rather than leaving it!!!
and i would argue that could STILL LEAD INTO A DIPCIFICA ARC, if thats what the showrunners/fans wanted? most of why dipper hates pacifica to begin with is because shes so terrible to mabel. he only agrees to go to the party in canon because MABEL wants to!!! imo, i think the lead in to them being a couple would be a million times better if that massive problem in their relationship was solved first
i dont PERSONALLY like dipcifica but im trying to stay unbiased about this if you cant tell
i would also argue that like. dipper just seems really out of character. the reason i picked some of the scenes i did for my redraws, was because they were scenes that i think his behavior would fit mabel a lot better. examples:
why do the northwests have a suit in dippers size anyway. he literally doesnt even like wearing it sjkfhkj in a potential re-write of this ep, i considered that mabel would come in wearing her super extravagent home made dress, and it would 'violate dress code', so she would be forced to wear one of pacificas we could still have that cute dress-up expo scene that we do AND have some fun commentary/symbolism about pacifica being nervous about having her in the dress because its NICE and TOO GOOD FOR HER and she looked FINE BEFORE ANYWAY
mabels empathy is a recurring theme in the show. shed WANT to give pacifica the benefit of the doubt, and would be VERY betrayed when finding out her and her family already knew about the ghosts and knew what he wanted. i understand that dipper was so upset because it seemed like pacifica was changing for the better just to find out that she wasnt, but i think this fits so much better with mabel, because shes always WANTED to believe that shes secretly a good person. she would be glad to see her turn a corner, and would be upset when finding out she was 'wrong', and that she really was mean deep down. whcih would obviously lead to her comforting her later/finding out the truth about her etc etc. on the other hand, dipper literally never believed she had good in her. from the first interaction we see of them, he thinks shes as terrible as her family. he ISNT as interested in giving her the benefit of the doubt and if it wasnt a life or death situation i dont think he wouldve forgiven her. IDK i just think its more in character for her
the dancing scene!!! honestly this works fine as is (i can see both dipper and mabel being excited to make a mess on a fancy carptet) but idk i just think it carries so much more weight if its these two girls. silly moments for mabel!!!! pacifica getting to really be a kid and not just a sparkly prop!!!!!!! pacifica finally indulging in her sillyness that she mocked in irrational treasure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok moving on. one of the bigger things that bother me about it being dipper here instead of mabel is one teeny tiny (honestly really irrational) scene at the party. in it, dipper is confronted by fiddleford, who tells him he has big news about the author/the laptop and the towns in danger and its vitally important and dipper just. shrugs him off???!!?!?!?! i cannot even IMAGINE. in alex hirschs words "the first season is about dipper being in love with wendy, and the second is about him being in love with the author" meaning that. those are the TWO things that dipper is completely and totally obsessed with. hes clearly not over wendy (as we see in later episodes) and this is not long after sock opera/society of the blind eye so youd THINK hed be more depserate for answers than ever!??!?! this child was willing to sell out his great uncle and raise the dead and stay up for several nights in a row for answers, and the second he is offered some (from a man who WORKED WITH THE AUTHOR btw) hes like like 'whatevr'?!?!?! it is so out of character and it drives me fucking nuts every time. i know hes starting to like pacifica now but as we see in the comics (if you chose to think those are canon) HE DOESNT EVEN SEEM TO LIKE HER THAT MUCH!??!?! hes STILL convinced shes vain, and mean, and selfish!!!! he DOES start to have a little arc with her but jksdfjksf IDK i just cant in a million years see him passing up the chance for answers to the biggest mystery in gravity falls to hang out with a girl he tolerates
but yknow who i CAN see doing that? MABEL!!!!!!!! mabel would be concerned when mcgucket comes up to her, and starts talking like this!!!! i can totally see her suggesting that he relax for a little while and enjoy the party like dipper did, and then forgetting to come back to talk/not running into him later!!!! ESPECIALLY since i can see mabel WANTING to spend time with pacifica where dipper just. really doesnt seem to want to MOST of the time
ok ill admit that this last one is sort of a personal opinion. but i just. i really dont like the B plot of this episode with mabel and the girls. IDK its just so annoying and pointless to me to have a plot where its just a bunch of girls turning against each other over a guy. im not gonna say its mysoginistic bc i know little girls can be boy crazy but i just. dont see why there was a need to make them fight/turn against grenda briefly??? even when they rekindled and it was all ok in the end its just. in comparison to the A plot its so. Nothing.
in my head i have a rewrite of this episode and how it goes is that pacifica approaches dipper and asks for help and he turns it down (like he does in canon). mabel suggests that they do it anyway, but he refuses, as he wants nothing to do with her. when dippers gone, mabel agrees to help (and pacifica begrudgingly accepts bc it seems like the only option) and so she steals the journal when dippers not looking. she goes to the party, and events go pretty much the same?? only major difference i can think of is that the B plot is replaced by one where dipper realizes mabel and the journal are missing, so he sneaks into the manor/sneaks around the house trying to find he rand get it back (and its so massive he has no luck). the reason i think THAT works is because we can even still have the scene where dipper turns to wood like shifty prophesied!!!! and i would even argue it makes more sense this way because wasnt shiftys warning that "if you keep digging so deep into the secrets of gravity falls, this will be the last form youll ever take" ?
OK IM SORRY THIS WAS SO LONG im probably forgetting points too so i might edit it later but THANKS FOR ASKING
tldr: pacifica and mabels friendship plotline was left on a total cliffhanger after golf war and if mabel replaced dipper in nmm it would've been a good resolution to it
edit: check the reblogs if youre still interested! i added another list of reasons i think this (mostly in response to people disagreeing)
#Gravity Falls#gravity falls analysis#gravity falls essay#mabel pines#pacifica northwest#northwest mansion mystery#northwest manor mystery#gravity falls nmm#nmm#mabcifica#mabifica#i wanna add that. it is fine if you like dipifica SJHKDFJHKDLS I KNOW ITS CANON i personally Do Not Get It but to each their own#but also while saying that i want to add that . im not trying to argue that mabcifica should be canon#in fact i do not think it should be#when i say i think mabel should be in this episode i am specefically saying that it doesnt NEED romantic undertones to be good#they can jut be buddies#cloudysrants#northwest mansion mabel au
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Cant sleep so im thinking about ayhalo
I think its like. one sided. qaypierre WOULD smooch that demon and take him on dates. qbad would not recognize anything as a romantic gesture. aypierre could throw a bouquet of chocolate roses at him and bad would just be like ! thank you :}
like they love each other, absolutely. they TRUST each other, to the point where i’d even say it gets in the way of bad seeing aypierre as anything more than a good friend. that’s his guy. The dude always in his corner. Friend resource label: team mate (coparent) (down to help kidnap people). bad doesnt do classic romantic relationships- all of his relationships are INCREDIBLY queer, but the closest he usually gets to what others read as romance is a classic chewtoy4chewtoy dynamic. He LOVES to fuck with people and he loves to get fucked with and if there’s a nice jawline or pretty muscles included?? huge bonus !!
he’s got something- not kinder, with aypierre? not calmer, either, but stable, maybe. pierre has proven, over and over again, that he’s on bad’s side. Spying on tubbo, encouraging bad’s pranks, the kidnapping- i can’t call it a reliable dynamic, not with how paranoid bad is, even when he trusts, but there is still a feeling of understanding that, wherever pierre’s limits are for when he cant support bad (or genuinely turn against him), it hasnt been reached yet
aypierre, on the other hand, i dont know enough about to be absolutely sure but there are some Vibes. ironically, i think hes feeling like his relationships are unreliable. max was going to have their baby, and then he wasnt, and then he left him, then max fucking died. plus whatever is happening with him and ayrobot, which probably leaves him feeling like he cant rely on Himself. like he had, if not a little crush on bad, at least some Interest in him, before. as well as several islanders. i remember the days of the Bed Threat.
but thats part of it, too? because those flings didnt have that emotional connection, and i always got the sense that he started looking for that with maximus, to Love and Be Loved rather than pure lust. To care about someone, genuinely, and be cared about in return. but he didnt get that with the flings, and We know that max was using him, but i dont know if he did, but maybe he had a feeling about it and maybe he also had a feelinf about maximus’ feelings towards bad and maybe- there’s something about that? A little push of not-spite-not-projection onto bad.
because bad IS that reliability, right now. he’s a fucking gremlin. a bastard. a prankster silly guy. he trusts aypierre and aypierre trusts him and they dont share everything but so often, when it comes down to it, it is them against the world. them in the corner, caught, aypierre shouting about kissing as a cover for their crimes while bad runs giggling away from him.
#qsmp character analysis#qsmp shipping#<- because i DO think bad would be down to ~fornicate~#but i dont think pierre drifts into that chewtoy zone enoufh for bad to get that Obsession#theyre kidnapping and escaping buddies !! who share food and secrets and strategies !!#but bad would do the same with the other french yknow#god i could go on for YEARS about how queer qbad’s relationships can get that demon is full of LOVE and that love is QUEER#i could make an argument that even his parenting style is affected by his queerness#in the way that he takes on all required roles for the eggs and cares for them SO MUCH#and SO OBVIOUSLY#as a dad/uncle that you dont often get to see in fiction#to the point where he is still in some way seen as a mother figure#but thats a whole different post#anyway this is part-analysis and part-silly written at ass-o’#clock in the morning#if i remember ill come back to tag the ship for filtering purposes but i dont wanna throw ‘i think its one sided and exacerbated by grief#and general yearning for love/stability in an ever changing world’ when prople are just tryin to make em kiss#i respect the kisser causers have fun yall im enjoying seeing it#god i need to sleep#ayhalo
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I recently saw the post about Jason and Cass not having to get along, and how that adds to their dynamic.
So I was wondering, are there any other interesting facts/headcanons about relationships in the Batfam?
Your own or some you simply stumbled across?
Because what frustrates me is the absolute lack of nuance in relationships in a lot of in most of Batfam centric fan-works.
The extent to which people write Bruce as either an absolute peace of shit, or as someone who will kiss his kids feet and beg them for the slightest bit of attention
(this being the supposedly "good" parenting- which… No? That ain’t it)
Because something I find incredibly compelling about their dynamics is the absolute loyalty Bruce often on the receiving end of.
Even when they are on terrible terms, if Bruce calls, they answer. (Usually, of course there are exceptions)
Some interesting facts/ideas about their relationships I saw were;
Dick hating Jason back when he was Robin. (Because they all a bit possessive of the Bat/insecure about their place at his side)
Tim not being Jasons fan even before the murder attempt (I read somewhere that DICK was the Robin Tim admired, and that made much more sense to me)
Cass and Dick having a tense relationship because Cass can read and understand Bruce so well, when Dick was the one who knew him best for so long.
Alfred and Bruce having a slightly more complicated relationship (I‘m so sick of 'perfect Alfred makes no mistakes' I swear. If Alfred had been as good a parent as everyone pretends (in comics or fandom) Bruce would at least be a SLIGHTLY more well adjusted individual)
Sorry for the rambling- I kinda got away from what I was asking 😅
So yeah, anyone else you feel has a more difficult relationship than fandom would have you believe?
All the kids with the justice league, and specifically Clark.
No listen hear me out, Bruce’s big possibly life changing injuries? They happen with the league most of the time, because thats when he’s fighting a minor god or a sentient star or whatever. But thats also when all his allies are super powered people, thats when he should be safest. Instead he keeps coming back from league missions with close calls and broken bones.
And Clark especially, what do you mean your best friend is Superman and your arm broke in the three places on that last mission. Where was he??
Alfred and Clark having a 😒 relationship is always fun too, because while kids wont see it or realize it Clark has absolutely witnessed how Alfred parents Bruce and how … less then ideal it can be.
Kate and Alfred, because of backstory reasons (did Alfred do nothing to keep the Kanes in contact with Bruce?? Why??) and also because it would be funny.
Cass and Jason is a good one and it makes so much more sense then the usual “cass loves her big little brother uwu” because i think what Cass would love about Jason would be stealing his weapons and hiding them and watching him lose his mind. Stop bringing guns into her dads house he doesnt like them and its his house.
I think. Oh this is going to be a hot take. I think Bruce resents when Tim tries to patronize or parent him. You know exactly what i mean right, that very specific flavor of infantilization you see in Tim-and-Bruce fics where Tim is a genius brilliant boi and Bruce is just led around by the nose? Hate it and i think Bruce hates it and knows exactly when Tim is trying it. Does he look like Jack Drake?? No?? Good because he was getting worried. (Bruce loves Tim. He loves how much Tim cares. He does not love how Tim thinks caring means permission to run his life).
Another hot take, i dont think Alfred and Jason got along as well as they did until after Jason resurrected. I think baby Jason treated Alfred the way Alfred treated him, so more like two people living in the same space who mutually respect each other them like grandparents. I think Jasons death and his anger at Bruce and Dick made him want/need a neutral person to project his happy memories onto, and Alfred was that person.
Duke being wary of Jason and Red Hood - because he remembers how many people lost people to Red Hood when he first arrived, and i dont care what comics told you there is no way he did what he did without collateral damage.
Damian and Dick should have a messy, complicated, resentful relationship. Damian wanted his father, no matter how good a replacement you write Dick as that isnt what he wanted. Dick also wanted his dad, and he didnt want to be Batman or a parent or any of it, and the fact that Bruce was actually alive and if hed only moved faster, if the JL had only been smarter, if someone had been paying attention, he never would have had to do any of it. And im going to he so honest right now the way fandom writes their “good” relationship is so bad sometimes. I hesitate to use the word toxic because yaknow its been done to death but seriously.
Anyways i think i hit enough hornets nests here, but will leave with, good parenting does not always look like you think it should. Allowing your children to violate your boundaries, always taking full responsibility for mutual miscommunications and misunderstandings, and never letting them suffer consequences for actions they take is just setting them up for failure.
#asks#i have so many complicated feelinhs about the good parent bad parent dichotomy and how it falls apart#there is bad parenting and there are bad parents#but is thats what happening or do you just not view the parent as a full person who is allowed boundaries and deserves the respect of an#opinion?
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I wanna do more kabumisu positivity following that other anon. it really brightened my day so much.
bc really I dont want to bash other ships to lift mine up!!! and I actually also really love and respect labru, and know the majority of labru shippers arent Like That, just like most kabumisu shippers arent Like That. every group has some annoying, loud, opinionated people and they dont represent the average person who likes the ship, you know? I would love to see some labrus follow suit and send in some positivity as well!!! If the positivity keeps going I will come in here and post all my fave things about labru, labru art, and labru shippers as a kabumisu. lets ditch the bitching and hold hands instead!
anyway, some reasons I really love kabumisu
- as a neurodivergent disabled person dating another neurodivergent person, this is like. THE couple to me. and like its not just about mithrun being taken care of. taking care of mithrun actively helps kabru be more mindful of his own needs. In my life, I may struggle to feed myself, but I can make breakfast if my partner is hungry. other times she may do the same for me, it depends on who is doing worse.
-they both struggle with insomnia also
-from everything we've seen, pre-dungeon mithrun wasn't entirely dissimilar to kabru (high masking people pleaser) and thats Fascinating to me.
-kabru's job seems pretty stressful (no matter how much fulfillment it brings him, its a lot of responsibility for one person!) so I feel like coming home to that one guy he can take his mask off around and not even have to try and impress must be such a huge relief. also add mithrun with cooking experience to this, making kabru a nice meal after a long day of work.
-Mithrun is actually very perceptive and sees straight through kabru's bs multiple times and doesn't hesitate to call him out. Laios isnt the only character that forces kabru to be honest. ("unless theres someone else?" "theres someone you want to tell that story to.") mithrun is also the one who gives kabru the information he's been seeking this whole time.
-I am very interested in exploring mithruns whole desire situation. what desires does he gain? I think it is probably a lot of little ones that weave together. oh also I think sometimes things may seem more mithrun centric bc in any story where he is going to end up in a relationship he is going to have a much more dynamic arc than whoever he is paired with. literally dynamic as in like. he requires a lot more growth to achieve the outcome. and there are ways to skip it or gloss through it but. a lot of these stories require that in some way you show the progress has happened.
-to me, kabumisu is more often queeplatonic than romantic. but Im aroace so that could just be my aroace glasses. ALSO kabru is vaguely aro to me. you mean the guy thats super desirable that doesnt really seem interested in anyone particular outside of pursuing friendship? that guy? (also the way he did rin omfg)
-random but I dont think kabrus PTSD is talked about enough and also like the extent of his trauma. its not just utaya/monsters/his mom dying; its being raised by a single mother, its his blue eyes, its being adopted, its being raised by an elf, etc!!!! a lot of things he does bc of ptsd get attributed to autism (I also hc kabru as autistic, and some is symptom overlap. but it is secondary to the ptsd! he is traumatized first and foremost ty) I really love kabru so much. ty for the ptsd rep <3
-also out here to say I know an amount of kabumisu content is mithrun centric. I will tell you from my pov specifically though its bc I deeply relate to mithrun (as someone who once told a therapist many years ago I desired nothing and truly meant it. she said I was like a puppet without strings. of course I saw mithrun and was like. oh.) and Im in love with kabru. kabru reminds me of all the people who gave me a reason to pull through. people who saw good in me and treated me like a person when I didnt feel like one. I also really relate to kabru though as someone with complex trauma, even if my traumas are not the same. thats why I say I think not enough is attributed to his ptsd. anyway, once I just opened a notebook and wrote kabrus name over and over again with hearts. I have never done this to mithrun. so dont tell me kabumisus dont like kabru !!!
-kabru and mithrun are both so gender. Ive seen so many variants on their gender and gender expression in the ship. some people hate this and insist they must be one way or the other. I think theyre neat lots of different ways. I love when theyre both feminine men. I love when mithrun is super masc. I love when theyre butch4butch. I love when theyre both trans. and so much more. its all beautiful. a very good variety of food. the other day on my dash I had a tallman art of mithrun with the biggest tits imaginable and the very next post he was like a little porcelain doll. keep up the good work guys. I love you.
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Gray & Mira Hcs!
the dynamic (demonic) duo **jazz hands**
* These two are like organized chaos together
* everything perfectly thought out to cause just the right amount of chaos
* They are the biggest instigators
* will lie their asses off to start fights when theyre bored
* Gray has a sensitivity to tears, and Mira can and will play on it at any given moment
* They have the same amount of arrests, its like a game to them, whoever has more wins
* [common conversations involving them]
* Mira: Sorry it took so long to bail you out of jail.
Gray: No, it was my fault. I shouldn't have used my phone call to prank call the police station.
* Judge: Does the defendant have any special requests?
Gray: Death penalty.
Mira, from the gallery: Gray, it’s just a parking ticket.
Gray, whispering into the mic: Please kill me.
* Mira: It’s nice to be wanted.
Gray: Even if it’s by the law?
Mira: Especially if it’s by the law.
* they are the epitome of “i have a problem” “*sigh* okay, put the body on ice ill be there soon” “ok— wait, no! not that kind of problem!”
* They were TERRORS growing up (still are) and while they weren’t necessarily friends they were like tentative partners in crime
* Mira claimed him as her friend after he tried to fist fight a council member
* at first he didnt fully reciprocate but did a 180 when she got into Erzas face and started a fight with absolutely no fear
* Gray still thinks shes one of the most badass people he knows
* Mira typically cooks for the guild and she will have Grays food ready before he even orders it
* Gray brings her tea from her favorite fancy shops everyday
* They bonded over being (partially) demons
* Mira helped Gray accept and deal with the non-romanticized parts of having demon instincts (gruesome intrusive thoughts, impulsiveness, apathy for humans, volatile moods, etc)
* As a side effect of being a demon, Mira (non transformed) has short talons, fangs, and horns (among other things). She truly loves them
* So when Grays started to grow in she didnt fully understand why he didnt; but she still did her best to comfort and reassure him and sympathize with him
* While she tried to hide her excitement at his physical traits while she was comforting him, Gray noticed and it was that that made him grow more comfortable with them
* They have rant sessions that are completely judgment free where they can talk on and on about their ugliest moments/thoughts, and basically most the things they cant tell others. whether it has to do with their demon side or not
* Miras demon has a constant thirst for mayhem, and Gray (being the instigator he is) will give it to them no questions asked
* in turn when Gray gets into arguments and hes wrong, Mira will update wikipedia pages so hes right
* theyre so passive aggressive towards each other
* When they fight everyone within a 8 mile radius needs to be evacuated, no matter how small the fight looks, they get vicious and it’s terrifying
* if you interrupt them you may as well be signing your death warrant
* They always act like nothing happened when they’re done, leaving everyone tiptoeing around them for weeks post
* Grays phone is on dnd constantly, Mira is one of the only few people that is set to come through
* and the local police station, but thats the same thing
* When Mira doesnt answer his calls he’ll leave incriminating voicemails and wont answer her calls for hours after
#fairy tail#gray fullbuster#gray and mirajane#mirajane strauss#sun strickens ft#fairy tail headcanons#fairy tail incorrect quotes#nobody asked for this but i made it anyways#demon gray fullbuster#demon mirajane strauss#the demonic duo we didnt know we needed#i mean i knew#:)#organized chaos#thats them
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im gonna rant aboit something that annoys me sometimes when interacting with the venturiantale fandom. old and new 😭 no hate just an observation that i have made a... surprisingly amount of times?
if you find long rants about venturiantale then keep scrolling this is mostly for me to help process my thoughts so if youre gonna be mean keep it to yourself 🫵
its the people who will show up out of no where who insists that Johnny Ghost is (or should be) incapable of making friends and liking people outside of Johnny Toast. 😭
like yes its hard for Ghost to get along with people in source...? but... idk why people insists this, like he isnt allowed to grow or change? like do you know how good of a fanfic plot itd be if Ghost learns to like accept and like other people? either way if he doesnt, he's gonna be a boring character if he's incapable of like... any change lmfao?
my main example comes from times ive talked about like, maybe a cool concept where Ghost becomes the Doctor's companion (doctor who) or like takes Hunter from the owl house under his wing and makes him a trainee (i love crossovers as you can probably tell) and 9 times out of 10, every time ive publically talked aboit those ideas theres always this dang GUY who rushes in out of no where all high and mighty and goes "actually they would hate each other lol :)"
EVERY GOTDANG TIME!! LEAVE ME ALLOOOONE LFMAO 😭😭😭😭😭😭 LET ME HAVE THIS
Like yes its very likely for Ghost to not get along with some characters. but also, this is MY idea, and i wanna talk about how what would happen if it went WELL. instead of your boring version full of hate/j/j/lh
plus ik everyone has their own interpretations of those characters and thats fine. i just hate it when people specifically go "actually ur fun cool idea that you like i dont think would work at all" just kinda... sucks? also ruins a conversation imo???
it also reminds how people reacted when i started shipping Ghost x Josh back in the day. saying it couldnt work bc they started out not liking each other, even tho over time the two ended up being cordial towards each other. not best of friends but they didnt mind each others company?? the whole shit about the ship isnt my focus my focus is thay so many people think that characters (VenturianTale Johnny Ghost in this case) like cant fucking change or grow. 😭 also the ship dynamic is nothing like it but people actin like enemies to lovers isnt a super popular concept. sorry off topic there.
Though in the end i shouldnt be surprised, bc of how Jordan fuck ass Frye depicted Johnny Ghost and all his characters in general. Jordan Frye himself, didnt ever change as a person. (if he did he just became a worse person lol) so why would his characters?
REGARDLESS of Jorkin Frye, that doesnt mean we should let his inability to understand what character development is you and other people and how they write and depict the character.
also ig in the end you dont hafta like or agree with peoples ideas or headcanons. just dont be annoying lol/lh
tbf when people present a headcanon that clashes with your own, it can be hard to keep your opinion or own headcanon to yourself. i think the current state of this fandom struggles to co-exist with headcanon differences which us fair but also sometimes you just gotta let people talk their shit withoit like putting them down or else the convo ends short or it sucks 😭 i struggle to find balance too dw and im guilty of this.
#LARRYDACAT VENTURIANTALE RANT BLAST#can i talk my shit again/ref#I HAVE LOTS OF THOUGHTS THAT I NEED TO GET OUT OKAY 😭😭😭😭#taleblr#venturiantale#venturiantale pie#johnny ghost#venturiantale headcanons#cw jordan frye#fuck the frye brothers#jordan frye#god why did i tag this im probably gonna piss people off HDJWBFBDJFHSJDJ#larrydacat
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I saw you mention how clover and asgores dynamic would be and like- OUGH its so interesting, because they would absolutely not like him, they feel like he absolutely should have gotten punished for what he'd done. But I feel like there could be some kind of connection with how he started this because someone he loved was killed, it wouldn't be enough for clover to be buddy buddy with him, but they could understand to a degree why he ended up doing what he did, it was an act of vengeance, one he came to hate himself for. They can understand he hates what he has done, but like you said- it doesn't stop them from greatly disliking him. Its interesting to consider because clovers motive was to some degree getting retribution for the previous fallen humans, even if they initially set out to just find them. Which you could maybe draw a parallel to how they wanted to challenge monsters due to the missing humans, and how asgore wanted to challenge humans due to asriels death. I'll admit this is probably all over the place and fairly surface level because, asgore isn't someone i focus on a ton, so its harder to really be analytical with him lol.
EXACTLY…. EXACTLY!!!!! they see WHY it happened. they understand and relate to what he did! but it doesnt excuse killing 5 kids when he HAD the option of just needing one. they feel pity for him if anything, aside from the bitter/anger/disappointment.
clover can relate to wanting vengeance, because they did too. thats the whole reason they went into the underground, to find them. but clover didnt need to kill a bunch of people to realize that what happened was wrong, but no one else needed to pay for the humans death. why couldnt asgore?
so yeah. clover would see where hes coming from and feel sorry for him. but he could never forgive or bring themself to like asgore.
#asked and answered#monster clover au#mcau lore#and yeah i feel u i dont focus on asgore a lot either AGDJS#but they would have such an intricate dynamic its fun to play with#they have a few parallels that are fun to draw on!!
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Don't take this as a hate, I don't have any problems with bakudeku or any other ship. But I feel like a lot of your guys 'confusion' comes from you missing the point and setup of the romance of Izuku and Ochako. You guys say that they're boring but what matters in the story is if it makes thematically sense or not. Izuku and Ochako don't have to be at each others throats or be rivals for them to be engaged in a romantic relationship at the end. Their dynamic makes sense because they've always supported each other and uplift one another. Ochako was literally one of the first people to accept him and treat him kindly. From that point their relationship increased and their dynamic turned into something more. It's often that we fall for the people who treat us with kindness and genuenity.
I appreciate bakugo's development but like, he literally bullied Deku for years. Yes you can argue he made up for his actions later, but a lof of his actions already happened, and Bakugo's actions for Izuku during the story comes off as him trying to redeem his past mistakes. Even All Might points this out by saying that Bakugo wants to help Izuku because of his past actions. It's great to see him develop but I don't buy the notion that they could be something more than friends who managed to fix their crap dynamic from their childhood days.
It also doesn't make any sense for Ochako's feelings to be discarded narratively because she's been consistently portrayed as selfless and a good person. That's why the story gives her a nice closure where her feelings are returned.
We cant keep having the same argument over and over again. We just cant, Im going to just ignore the "he bullied him and he is just trying to redeem himself", tons of ppl already talked about that. I appreciate you wanting to not insult shippers and all of that, but I dont really understand why you send this anyway -you want to understand the perspective some of us have?-.
believe me, most of us knew about the "setup" -many of us have been here since the beginning-. Personally I had no doubts about it becoming canon for years bc "boy and girl and they are cute and this is shonen", expecting more development in the future -however, then their moments started looking more and more platonic, Izuku's feelings became vague in terms of romance and ochako's character was made to match himiko instead of him, making them look like friends with similar goals, but in the end needing to work on their own instead of together. I see his arc, I see her arc, and the conclusion I get isnt "they should date/need to date/deserve to date each other", but that Izuku really appreciates her and Ochako grieves Himiko in unhealthy ways, needing support.
The problem is the main thing this ship has going on is "she helps him a lot", to the point that thats exactly everything Deku has to say about her importance -in the two character charts that mention relationship status, while Ochako's involves romance and denial his is the exact same, "she helps me a lot". That's just not enough to convince most ppl of actually enjoying this pair outside of "its shonen what do you expect", specially considering they took away Ochako's storyline to be the literal same as deku's -they both lost their villains they both dont ask for help they both isolate they both prefer others' happiness over their own, etc. They dont have to be enemies or fight, but they need depth of some short -making them just have the same idea of heroism, not bc of the other but just bc their personalities and their relationships with other characters, doesnt make it profound or interesting. Its not like what Himiko said, about imitating the ones you love, bc they just naturally are like that even before they met each other.
What's that "more" their relationship became? For the most part we see how Ochako struggles to work as a hero when it involves him, and only gets to actually move on her own when her focus shifts onto Himiko instead -she literally says she cant move when Deku was in danger and Sir Nighteye needed to be saved-, and from deku there isnt much -we lose most of his thoughts, but he behavior tell us he has no problem supporting her like with his other friends. In 431 we are told how they dont really talk that much anymore, and how Deku, the oblivious and flustered nerd, tells her she he wants to talk more from now on, and blushes when she falls on him. Then they have a bro hand shake.
How do you want anyone to be actually invested in a main relationship for a story whose main thing going on is "they are kind to each other". Or in real life, im sorry but I do believe its not good to send the message of falling in love with the literal first person that helps you and is nice to you is the way to go -being kind should just be normalized, and I think the end of BNHA agrees with this notion.
I dont understand why ppl believe her feelings needed "closure" (as if she didnt talk about it with Himiko), yet agree that 431 gives her that -she doesnt confess anything. She doesnt go for what she wants and tells him "I love you". She agrees with talking with him more -she didnt confess. I know some ppl believe this is a true confession, but this is nothing like what Himiko showed her before -a literal one, without any doubts, saying her feelings with her whole face. She. thought about wanting to talk to him more, he then told her that, and she said "I was thinking the same!", so how does that give her romantic feelings any closure when theres a huge chance of plausible deniability?
You dont have to share any of these opinions, but I just dont see how the "main pair" is still just "oh yeah they could date", this isnt real life where some ppl like to date copies of themselves or just decide to do so bc they kinda like each other -the narrative has to actually tell us how this not only makes sense, but how it fits both characters' arcs. And giving her all the romance just makes it look one sided.
I dont really need you to answer any of these questions, and I wont discuss the complexities I see in bkdk, their storylines, and how the narrative has treated Katsuki more like Izuku's heart than a rival with some history, I already talked about it -instead, I want you to know something simple about the internet: if you dont like it, block it, even if you dont particularly hate it. Reading the first line of the ask, it comes off as kinda insulting coming here just to explain to me why I "shouldn't be confused" about 431 basically. I know about the "setup", I know about the bullying, I know about her supporting him, and I know about the redemption, you dont have to go and tell me any of this-.
You dont know about my account, my thoughts or the perception I have about any of these ships, I think you probably went into any bkdk account to say this bc idk, you "had" to "clarify" how "great" it was for these characters this, and how bkg just wanted to redeem himself (as if his character hasn't show over and over again how much his focus is on Izuku in general, more than him and any redemption, which is exactly what separates him too from the type of redemption other characters have tried to pull off), but believe me, most of us already know about this arguments and dont agree with them partially or entirely. I still answered just in case, but I wont respond another ask you send -I'll just block, as I dont see why should I "defend" my perspective in my own account. Just enjoy the content you enjoy.
#grrr talking#all might's words met silence from bkg's part bc there's more going on#this is media literacy -reading outside of what we are explicitly told he cares deeply about him regardless of his actions#you can interpret it that way if you want but that doesnt mean it becomes the only and true reading#this is why all might asked “... right?” and Katsuki was just looking at Izuku and telling him how little he cares about hismelf#he wasn't thinking about becoming himself a better person in particular but was worried on a personal level about Deku and his lack of care#for himself#hes my baby I cant believe ppl still think all he does is bc hes thinking about himself -he feels guilty and wants to do better AND cares#about deku both things are canon I cant believe we have to discuss this again#bkdk#dkbk#idk I need ppl to tell me im not crazy for this lmao#sorry for having higher standards than “shes so nice to me”
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