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alyimoss · 2 months ago

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horrortale king papyrus "ending", aka what happens if horror joins nightmare

i was thinking of making this into a fic or smthn but idk when ill get to that so. nevermind that im just gonna make a post. lotta yapping ahead. (word count: 1972)

so, i see a lot of people, when including horror in nightmares pantheon, say that he was either a) abducted against his will, or b) coerced by food, both for himself and his world. and i dont have much against the first interpretation, but the second… something's bothered me about it for a while, and its the simple fact that canon horror isnt that selfless. if nightmare were to offer him a deal, he would first and foremost be thinking about his own interests (he has already proven to be this kind of person in the comics).

so i instead think that were nm to offer him a deal, horror would only agree to a specific multi-part deal. and the first part? undyne's death.

we already know the whole "eating humans" thing was moreso to spite undyne and foil whatever plans she has than to help the residents of snowdin, shown by the fact that sans himself doesnt eat humans and that he urges everyone to keep this a secret from undyne and the rest of the underground. if a mysterious, powerful entity suddenly appeared and asked horror for his servitude in exchange for something he wants, a "mutually beneficial deal", i guarantee you that first and foremost he would think of undyne. of the traitor who sacrificed him "for the greater good".

and he would get that. i dont know if he would prefer to kill her himself or let nightmare to the dirty work, but either way, its not a hard thing for someone as powerful as him to do. only after his final act of revenge is certified does he think about everything else. with undyne gone, the underground would be left without a ruler, and things would likely get even more chaotic than usual. plus, they would still be left without food and without power.

i think hed ask for their CORE to be repaired or something else to be done about the power and magic situation going on in the underground first, but. i see this as something out of nightmare's range. hes not exactly a mechanic, and he doesnt want to waste time and energy getting someone who is just for another underling. so horror compromises on just food. regular deliveries of enough to feed all the monsters left in the underground. and this is a bit tedious, but still doable, and nightmare would likely agree.

but theres still one more part to the deal, and that is an opportunity to set a plan in motion.

with undyne out of the picture, someone would need to take control. and sans has the perfect idea of who.

the monster who has kept snowdin fed for years; who reported to undyne and mediated when her temper flared up; who kept up the puzzles and security around snowdin; who tried to keep the others' spirits up even when times were darkest…

thats right. he wants papyrus in charge.

i often see ht papyrus being portrayed in fandom as kind of a dope. someone innocent despite his creepy appearance and still rather incompetent. and this frustrates me because hes anything but. hunger, death, murder… all have taken their toll on him, and hes certainly not fine or completely sane. but id say hes arguably the sanest out of all the monsters weve seen in the comic so far (other than flowey and mettaton, i suppose… though mettaton is uncertain since weve only seen him in the past). hes also shown handling a lot of responsibilities, like the previously-mentioned providing of food and mediating when undyne goes too far. this applies to his brother, too, who was also known for having a temper. horrortale papyrus is still pretty cheery, but hes less idealistic, more responsible…

anyway, all that to say that 1) horrortale papyrus is horribly underrated and idk why because i love him dearly, and 2) between the reasons above and the fact that he's his brother, i think sans would consider him a perfect next-in-line. plus, all this power and respect and recognition… werent these all things he yearned for?

so before he leaves with nightmare, he does a little manipulating of the playing field. i dont know what this would be, honestly. talking papyrus up to others? making sure other monsters are aware of his capability and his kindness and his resolve? i dont know. but he does it. and after hes gone and undynes death is discovered, papyrus is chosen as the next king.

and you know what? i dont think he would want that.

because hes already gotten a taste of his "respect and recognition" via being an important figure in snowdin, and its been nothing but hell the whole time. hes exhausted. hes not one to be lazy or give up, but even a guy like him has his limits, and frankly hes probably reached them a long time ago. but the people desperately need a leader… and he cant exactly deny them. reluctantly, he agrees.

maybe a week into his rule, a miracle happens. food appears.

no-one knows where its from, but no-one can really care. "dont look a gift horse in the mouth" or whatever. the royal guard has to tear ravenous monsters away from the food in an attempt to save some to be rationed out. some guards undoubtedly succumb to the temptation themselves. but a good amount is saved and rationed. and the people look to papyrus with a new kind of reverence.

because how is it possible? under undynes rule, everything went to shit, and despite the years of promises, nothing was ever fixed. but as soon as papyrus take control, they get food, a good, livable amount of food, for the first time in years. theres hushed whispers that there must be a higher power involved. some seem to view papyrus himself as that higher power. the support for him grows from acceptance to wild endorsement. parents able to save their children thanks to the food cry and promise him unyielding loyalty. monsters who had all but accepted their deaths and met with a miracle instead fall at his feet. some compliments are backhanded: "i thought you would just be a useless stand-in, but youve actually saved us!!"

and papyrus smiles tightly at them all as panic mounts inside him. what will happen once this food runs out? will more appear? what if it doesnt?

but it does. it appears consistently, on a schedule. the people rejoice every time. but papyrus still finds himself fearing every day. barely able to rest amidst his panic. being king is a lot of responsibility, and he finds himself constantly overworking, so, so tired… but hes still putting on a smile for the public and assuring them that everything is okay.

with a consistent source of food, hes able to focus on other problems, such as getting monsters treatment for the effects of this hell that theyve been living in for so long and restoring the core. he's constantly meeting with different monsters, doing paperwork, handling this matter and that…

hes not alone. toriel would help him, i think. she knows what being a ruler is like, after all, and he is her good friend. but i dont know if other monsters, who rejected her as their queen, would be thrilled to have her even as an advisor. if mettaton is still sane, perhaps he would help, too, in whatever ways that he can. but papyrus still feels this… absense.

because his brother isnt there.

he never told anyone where he was going or what was happening. the most papyrus knows is that hes sure this all has to do with him somehow. but nothing else. not how, not to what extent. not whether hes even alive.

and for this one reason i think he would be so much more tired, so much more miserable. hes lost his only family, his support. the brothers' relationship in horrortale is pretty clearly strained, but theyre still shown to be close because, well, theyre family. theyve always been close. always helped each other. they were always there when the other needed to get something off his chest or get help. they kept a lot of secrets even from each other, yes, but im willing to bet that number's a whole lot less than the number they keep from others. what im getting at is that sans and papyrus are extremely important parts of each others lives, and one losing the other is a huge and unbearable change.

…and yet, with growing pangs of horror (ha) and guilt, papyrus finds that he doesnt know if its really much different now.

hes lost his biggest support, the one person he could tell almost anything to. but really he lost him years ago. for a long time, hes kept more secrets, done more work, put up with so much not to agitate his brother… even through his love, i think there was a mounting resentment and aversion to him… and he finds that with sans gone, he really gets about the same amount done. maybe more, actually, now with food and with toriel's help. and its a horrifying realization to him because thats not how he wants to think of his brother!

he did his best. he did help them, even if it was through backhanded and frankly horrible methods. his personality was a result of the hunger and that wound. if he was here, hed likely be more like his old self now that food is finally available. his brother isnt a bad person. he cant be, because papyrus cant handle that thought. but that resentment is unresolved. he feels abandoned. he doesnt know what emotion to feel. he prefers to just not think about it after a certain while.

and its the same with undyne. he misses her, he misses his friend. but she's been gone for years, too. when he thinks of her, he cant help but feel fear and anger. and thats not what he wants, either. he doesnt think of her, either.

and so hes left to rule in misery. roaming the unnaturally empty underground with the entirety of monsterkind praising his empty step. he has help, he has friends, but he still tries to handle everything himself. hes so tired that he doesnt even lie down because he doesnt know if he'll be able to get up. hes so stressed. even though they now have food, he barely eats. his eyesockets seem to sink somehow deeper into his skull. for the leader of a people finally recovering from devastation, he looks like hes only getting worse, and really he is. every day drains him more and more, and though he pushes himself to persevere for the sake of the people, he doesnt know how long he can go on.

doing what he thought was best, sans doomed his brother. if he ever goes back to his au to visit or something, he would see that first-hand. i think he'd struggle to accept it. would just run away. try to convince himself that he did what was right even as the guilt burns at his ribs.

this deal turns out more beneficial for nightmare than horror. nightmare gets a servant and a new source of negativity through ht papyrus (and though it would also spread a lot of positivity, i think its so little when compared to the whole mutliverse that nm finds it an acceptable trade and that some "positive" feelings, like the kind of god-like reverence some monsters in horrortale have for papyrus, are actually quite negative and feed him still), and horror gets to better his underground by sacrificing the only monster he probably bothered to care about: papyrus.

anyway. horrortale king papyrus. thats it thats all im gonna say goodnight

#horrortale #horrortale papyrus #horrortale sans #horror papyrus #horror sans #dreamtale nightmare #nightmare sans #(hes not rlly a sans but i want reach)#utmv #finking #i love him a lot you guys #ht papyrus i mean

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chosok-amo · 5 months ago

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CURSEBOUND HEART : RYOMEN SUKUNA

THE HIDDEN CURSE

Satomi Gojo, a talented sorcerer with a mysterious past, senses an unusually powerful cursed energy and decides to investigate. Her search leads her to an abandoned building where she encounters Yuji Itadori, the vessel of Sukuna. As Sukuna temporarily takes control of Yuji, he recognizes Gojo’s sister as his reincarnated wife, sparking a tense confrontation and revealing a dark, shared history.

⠀⠀⠀Tokyo Jujutsu High buzzed with the controlled chaos of students training under the watchful eye of Satoru Gojo, the enigmatic sorcerer known for his limitless potential and mysterious past. The morning sun filtered through trees in the training ground as Gojo guided his charges through rigorous exercises. His blue eyes are watching his sister closely, intensely.

⠀⠀⠀In the tranquil serenity of Tokyo Jujutsu High's secluded training grounds, Satomi Gojo moved with effortless grace, her movements a testament to years of disciplined training. Surrounded by ancient trees and the soft rustle of leaves, she focused intently, channeling her energy into precise strikes and intricate seals. She can feel her brother's eyes on her, watch every move she makes, every breath she takes, every blood that pumps in her heart— like he's waiting for the second she's made a mistake and makes fun of her like when she was a kid.

⠀⠀⠀But amidst the calm, a sudden ripple in the air disrupted Satomi's concentration. A familiar, sinister presence stirred within her, sending shivers down her spine. Cursed energy, ancient and malevolent, surged around her like a spectral tide, awakening memories buried deep within her soul.

⠀⠀⠀As she continued her exercises, snippets of another life flickered through Satomi's mind like shards of a shattered mirror. She saw herself in a distant past, clad in robes of another era, standing before a figure wreathed in darkness—the enigmatic King of Curses, Sukuna.

⠀⠀⠀In those fleeting moments, Satomi glimpsed fragments of a forbidden love that defied the boundaries of time and reason. She remembered the whispered promises exchanged under moonlit skies, the tender moments stolen amidst the chaos of battle, and the bitter anguish of betrayal that tore them apart.

⠀⠀⠀A sudden surge of cursed energy snapped Satomi back to the present. The sensation was unmistakable—the same chilling aura that once bound her heart to Sukuna's in a tumultuous dance of fate. Her pulse quickened with a mixture of dread and determination as she realized the implications of its return.

⠀⠀⠀The moment she got pulled back to reality she could feel her heart beating faster, hurting her in the process. Satomi coughed and fell to her knees, she clutched her hand to her heart and felt the pain as if a thousand needles rained down right to her heart. At the same time, she also could feel the same pain in her right eye. With one hand covering her eyes, Satomi looks to her left where her brother stands. Just as she knows Gojo is already looking at her. Satomi couldn't figure out what he was thinking behind that blindfold and one thing that she was sure of was that Gojo knew what happened to her, maybe.

⠀⠀⠀Suddenly, a sharp ring pierced the air, breaking the rhythm of the training session. Gojo’s expression shifted imperceptibly from you, his usually playful demeanor giving way to a mask of focused determination. With a fluid motion, he retrieved his phone from his pocket and glanced at the caller ID—a fellow sorcerer from the Jujutsu world.

⠀⠀⠀“Gojo-sensei,” the voice on the other end crackled with urgency, “we’ve detected an anomaly in the heart of Tokyo. Cursed energy levels are off the charts. It could be Sukuna.” Gojo’s eyes narrowed slightly at the mention of Sukuna, the infamous King of Curses whose existence posed a perpetual threat to the delicate balance of the Jujutsu world.

⠀⠀⠀Without another word, he ended the call and turned to his students, to you, his voice cutting through the air like a blade. “Class dismissed,” Gojo’s tone brooked no argument. Before he went, he looked at you from afar, without saying a word you know he doesn't want you to do anything stupid and know your place.

⠀⠀⠀Gojo, he sensed the anomaly spreading like a festering wound within the city and the last thing he wanted was your stupid and careless behavior. So he gathered a team of trusted students—Yuji Itadori, Megumi Fushiguro, and Nobara Kugisaki—and briefed them on the urgency of their mission.

⠀⠀⠀“Gojo-sensei!” Yuji waves his hand in the air once a glimpse of his favorite teacher comes into his vision. “You guys here!” with his back pressed against the car door and both hands in his pocket, Gojo smiled and waved back. “So what are we gonna do here?” Nobara asked, holding her hammer in one hand.

⠀⠀⠀“Listen up,” Gojo began, his tone devoid of its usual lightheartedness. “We have a situation in the city. Cursed energy levels are off the charts. It’s highly likely Sukuna is involved. This is serious. We need to move out now.” Yuji's eyes narrowed. The mention of Sukuna sent a chill down his spine. The King of Curses was a perpetual threat, one that required immediate and decisive action.

⠀⠀⠀Even tho he felt scared, Yuji, always eager to help, nodded determinedly. Megumi’s eyes narrowed in focus, while Nobara cracked her knuckles, ready for whatever came their way. Unbeknownst to them, Satomi Gojo, Satoru's younger sister, and a skilled sorceress, silently volunteered to join the mission. Driven by a personal stake in the unfolding crisis, she blended into the shadows, her presence unnoticed but her determination unwavering.

⠀⠀⠀The team moved swiftly through the bustling streets of Tokyo, the vibrant cityscape a stark contrast to the dark energy they were tracking. Gojo led them with unerring precision, his senses finely tuned to the anomaly’s location. Satomi trailed behind, her heart pounding with anticipation. The cursed energy she sensed was unmistakably familiar, stirring memories of a past life intertwined with Sukuna’s.

⠀⠀⠀Their journey led them to an abandoned warehouse on the outskirts of the city, where the cursed energy pulsated with a sinister rhythm. Shadows danced eerily along the walls as the team cautiously entered, each step fraught with tension and uncertainty.

⠀⠀⠀As they ventured deeper into the warehouse, Yuji’s senses suddenly sharpened. “Huh?” he stopped in the middle, making the two of his friends stop in their tracks as well. “What is it now, Yuji?” Nobara asks, seems like she's not really in the mood for Yuji's bullshit in the middle of the mission. Megumi just looked at his friend with a bored expression. “Didn't you guys feel that? Suddenly the air feels so heavy,” he says.

⠀⠀⠀“Is it Sukuna?” Nobara asks.

⠀⠀⠀The air grew heavy with an oppressive presence as Sukuna’s malevolent energy coalesced around them. Satomi’s heart skipped a beat as she somehow recognized the familiar aura, her instincts screaming a warning of imminent danger.

⠀⠀⠀In the dimly lit confines, Yuji’s body tensed, a vessel for the ancient curse that lay dormant within. As if drawn by an invisible force, Sukuna emerged, his gaze locking onto a girl with unsettling familiarity. Satomi stood her ground, eyes locked onto him, her heart pounding with a mix of fear and determination. The cursed spirit's smirk was as sinister as ever, but beneath it lay a flicker of something more—recognition, perhaps, or even regret. Yuji's bare face is now covered with Sukuna's tattoos.

⠀⠀⠀“Hina,” Sukuna’s voice echoed through the cavernous space, a whisper laden with centuries-old secrets, “you've been hiding from your past for too long.” Satomi had no idea who Mirumi was, as hard as she could to try to connect the dot she had none, but somehow she knew it was meant for her, that Hina was her. Satomi’s breath caught in her throat as she stared into the abyss of his gaze, seeing echoes of love and a betrayal that transcended lifetimes.

⠀⠀⠀Sukuna’s taunts cut through the silence like a blade, dredging up memories of their shared past—moments of passion intertwined with betrayal and heartache. Yuji struggled against Sukuna’s growing influence, his internal battle mirrored by the turmoil raging within Satomi’s heart.

⠀⠀⠀Satomi's jaw clenched. Instantly she feels rage buried beneath her flesh like she's never felt before, like she never knew it was there. “And you’ve been wreaking havoc for centuries. What do you want from me, Sukuna?” She doesn't know why she recognized him, as she had known him for as long as she can remember. Her six senses can recognize him but only the basic one, but her soul? it's like it already belongs to him.

⠀⠀⠀Their confrontation was electric, each word dripping with the weight of a shared history neither she nor the other three fully understood. “What the fuck is going on?” Nobara whispered to her friend next to her, Megumi. The man shrugged his shoulder, having no idea just like her, “No clue, Nobara, no clue. But just get ready, we don't know what sukuna might do,” he informed her. While for Satomi and Sukuna, memories of their intertwined fates, of battles fought and losses endured, flashed through Satomi's mind. She had always known there was more to her connection with Sukuna than she cared to admit, but now, facing him directly, the truth was unavoidable.

⠀⠀⠀Satomi stepped forward, her resolve hardening. She would not let Sukuna's taunts break her. With a swift motion, she summoned her cursed energy, a radiant blue aura enveloping her form. Her skills were formidable, honed by years of rigorous training under her brother's guidance.

⠀⠀⠀Sukuna smirked, his eyes gleaming with a mixture of amusement and challenge. “You've grown stronger, Satomi. But have you grown strong enough?” Without warning, he lunged at her, his speed blinding. Satomi met his attack head— on, their energies clashing in a brilliant explosion of light and shadow. The impact sent shockwaves through the warehouse, causing the very walls to tremble.

⠀⠀⠀Yuji, struggling to regain control, watched in awe and horror as Satomi and Sukuna engaged in a deadly dance. Each strike from Sukuna was met with a counter from Satomi, her movements precise and calculated. She fought not just with power, but with the weight of their shared history driving her forward.

⠀⠀⠀As they clashed, Sukuna continued to taunt her. “Do you remember the night we first met? The promises we made under the stars? How you swore you'd never leave my side?” Satomi's eyes flashed with a mixture of pain and determination. “And do you remember how you betrayed those promises, Sukuna? How do you turn your back on everything we stood for?” Their battle was not just physical, but emotional. Each strike carried the weight of their past, each taunts a reminder of wounds that had never truly healed. Sukuna's power was overwhelming, but Satomi's resolve was unyielding.

⠀⠀⠀In a moment of desperation, Yuji found an opening. Drawing on every ounce of his strength, he fought to suppress Sukuna's influence, his will battling against the curse's malevolent force. “Sukuna! Get out of my body!” For a brief moment, the warehouse was filled with a blinding light. Sukuna's hold weakened, and Yuji regained control, his body trembling with the effort. Satomi, sensing the shift, delivered a powerful blow, sending Sukuna reeling.

⠀⠀⠀The skirmish ended as suddenly as it began. Sukuna's presence receded, leaving Yuji gasping for breath, his body drenched in sweat. Satomi stood over him, her expression a mixture of relief and sorrow. “Are you okay?” she asked softly, helping Yuji to his feet. Yuji nodded weakly, his eyes reflecting the emotional weight of what had transpired.

⠀⠀⠀“Yeah...thanks to you.”

⠀⠀⠀Back at Tokyo Jujutsu High, the team regrouped, the atmosphere heavy with the gravity of their encounter. Satomi and Gojo retreated to a private sanctuary, their voices hushed with concern.

⠀⠀⠀The atmosphere in Tokyo Jujutsu High was tense as the team returned from the harrowing encounter with Sukuna at the abandoned warehouse. Satomi Gojo, her mind still reeling from the clash with her ancient nemesis, sought out her brother Satoru in his private study.

⠀⠀⠀Entering the dimly lit room, Satomi found Satoru standing by the window, his back turned to her. His usually composed demeanor was tinged with an underlying current of concern and frustration. Without turning around, he spoke, his voice quiet yet laced with unmistakable authority.

⠀⠀⠀“Satomi,” Satoru began, his tone betraying his simmering emotions, “care to explain why you decided to join the mission without informing me?” Satomi hesitated for a moment, the weight of her actions settling heavily upon her shoulders. She knew her brother's strict protocols regarding missions involving high-level curses, especially one as dangerous as Sukuna.

⠀⠀⠀“I... I felt compelled to go,” Satomi started cautiously, choosing her words carefully. “I sensed the cursed energy, Satoru. It felt... familiar. I had to see for myself.” Satoru finally turned to face her, his expression a mix of exasperation and concern. “Familiar? Satomi, do you realize the risks involved? Sukuna is not to be trifled with.”

⠀⠀⠀“I know, Satoru,” Satomi replied earnestly, meeting her brother's gaze head-on. “But there's something about this encounter... something personal.” Satoru sighed heavily, running a hand through his unruly hair. His blue eyes were no longer covered with the blindfold he usually used. He is looking at his sister, trying to see right through her, what's on her mind. “Personal or not, Satomi, you endangered yourself and the mission. You could have jeopardized everything we've been working towards.”

⠀⠀⠀Satomi felt a pang of guilt at her brother's words. She knew he was right. Her impulsive decision could have had dire consequences, not just for herself but for everyone involved. “I'm sorry, brother,” Satomi whispered, her voice tinged with regret. “I didn't mean to cause trouble. But I couldn't just stand by and do nothing.”

⠀⠀⠀Satoru's expression softened slightly, his concern for his sister outweighing his frustration. “I understand, Satomi. But next time, please trust me to handle these situations. We're a team, and we need to act as one.” Satomi nodded silently, acknowledging her brother's wisdom. She knew she had acted recklessly, driven by emotions she couldn't fully comprehend.

⠀⠀⠀As they stood in the quiet of the study, a heavy silence settled between them, punctuated only by the distant sounds of students training outside. The encounter with Sukuna had brought to light old wounds and unanswered questions, casting a shadow of uncertainty over their current mission. “Satomi,” Satoru spoke again, his voice softer now, “what did Sukuna say to you?” Satomi hesitated, the memory of Sukuna's taunts still fresh in her mind.

⠀⠀⠀“He... he remembered me, Satoru. From another life. He spoke of promises and betrayal... things I thought were buried in the past.” Satoru's brow furrowed in concern. “Promises and betrayal... Satomi, what aren't you telling me?” Satomi looked away, her thoughts drifting back to the haunting memories of her past life with Sukuna.

⠀⠀⠀“There's so much I don't understand, Satoru. But I fear our connection to Sukuna goes deeper than we realize. And I'm afraid that whatever happened in the past might threaten our future.” Satoru placed a comforting hand on Satomi's shoulder, a rare display of vulnerability from the usually stoic sorcerer. “We'll figure this out, Satomi. Together. But for now, we need to focus on the mission at hand.” Satoru brings his feet to his sister and ruffles the white-haired girl before kissing her forehead. “I'm here for you, Satomi,” he whispered as he hugged her for a moment.

⠀⠀⠀Satomi nodded solemnly, grateful for her brother's support. The weight of their shared burden hung heavily in the air, a reminder of the challenges they would face in the days to come. As they parted ways, the study door closing softly behind her, Satomi couldn't shake the sense of foreboding that lingered in the depths of her soul. The encounter with Sukuna had opened old wounds and unearthed buried secrets, setting the stage for a drama that would test their bonds and reshape their destinies.

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thedansemacabres · 11 months ago

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The Almost Lost Relationship of Adonis and Dionysus

[ID: An image of the seats at the Theater of Dionysus in Athens. The sun shines on the pale steps, illuminating them slightly. Beyond the stairs, there is nothing else in the theatre and it acts as an empty scene.]

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ADONIS IS KNOWN FOR BEING CAUGHT BETWEEN PERSEPHONE AND APHRODITE, and this eventually being the cause of his death—Artemis, Ares, Apollon, or perhaps all send a boar to gore Adonis and end the affair between him and Aphrodite. However, of course, there is always more to this story: that being the continuation, the romance of Adonis and Dionysus. This will serve as a small introduction to a relatively unknown aspect of Adonis’ mythology, especially in the perspective of Adonis representing infertile life compared to Dionysus’ fertility.

PANYASSIS, AND THEN PLATO

Apollodorus contains one of the earliest tellings of Adonis’ death from the 5th century poet Panyassis, who states that Adonis died twice—once when Persephone obtained him, and another when he was gored by a boar. However, continuing Panyassis’ fragment, Plato Comicus states that Adonis’ death was caused by Aphrodite and Dionysus, not Aphrodite and Persephone:

O Kinyras, king of the hairy-assed Cypriots, Your child is by nature most beautiful and most marvelous Of all humans, but two divinities will destroy him, She being rowed by secret oars, and he rowing them. (fr. 3)

By desiring and loving Adonis, Aphrodite and Dionysus later cause his demise. This is one of the earliest mentions of Adonis and Dionysus, whilst grim, does lead us slightly into the romance of Adonis and Dionysus. Another myth—or perhaps a continuation of this one—presents another tale, as recorded by Plutarch.

PLUTARCH’S FRAGMENT

Plutarch presents a differing story: that Dionysus fought with Aphrodite for Adonis and won. In discussing the ethics of food, particularly eating swine, he invokes this in a lost text written by Phanocles:

Εἰδὼς θεῖον Ἄδωνιν ὀρειφοίτης Διόνυσος ἥρπασεν, ἠγαθέην Κύπρον ἐποιχόμενος. Knowingly, mountain-roaming Dionysus carried away the divine Adonis, after approaching the Holy Cyprian with hostile purpose. Plutarch, Quaestiones Convivales

One of the many reasons he cites for pigs being less than ideal animals for consumption is that they gored Adonis—which, in hypothesis, could be a reason that some Aphrodisian cults avoided consuming pork, but this is merely my own thinking.

This fragment gives little context to the motives of Dionysus in this myth, the reaction of Aphrodite or Adonis. Despite this, the wording is of intrigue to me of several parts:

What does knowingly mean? The translation phrases it as Dionysus knowing, but knowing what? Or does this refer to Adonis knowing that he would be carried off—as in the original ancient Greek, it is placed as “knowing, divine Adonis.”

Adonis here is called a god, theos, which may refer to his apotheosis, which was of contention in ancient Greece.

“Hostile purpose”, ἐποιχόμενος, also refers to the passing of wine. So, instead of violence, he may have given Aphrodite wine in “exchange” for Adonis.

There is also something to be said of the similarity between Adonis being carried off with Dionysus carrying Ariadne away from Noxus. There were also contentions about the divinity of Ariadne, with some myths declaring her dying and another conflating her with Aphrodite—similarly to Adonis, who Plutarch mentioned previously could be identified with Dionysus.

PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

As remarked in the Adonia in Context, Adonis’ divinity was a contested question—with some remarking him as nothing sacred, while others entreating him as a deity. I personally have come to understand him as divine, returning from the underworld, especially as he journeyed there with Persephone. That within itself—returning to and from the underworld—is no task for mortals, even if it was divinely sanctioned by Zeus. If he did die when he was first received by Persephone, does this imply a cycle of resurrection that eventually led to a state in between, or an odd sense of immortality?

There is also the notable comparison of Adonis and Dionysus mirroring Ariadne and Dionysus, in which they are taken by Dionysus and become his lovers. In my own practice, this does come into Adonis being in our modern terms in a polycule with the god. Fascinatingly, Ariadne’s own divinity was of debate, perhaps remarking her as a parallel to Adonis himself. There is certainly something to be said of Adonis being a sterile god with the fertility god Dionysus, continuing the paradox of Dionysus. Adonis represents the ancient Greek man that was infertile and as such did not mature into a proper member of the polis, and Dionysus is the great disrupter of the polis.

As a personal practice though, there is always the option for others to honour them as I do—as divine lovers—and in my personal practice, Dionysus is the one who eventually “wins” Adonis. And as someone extremely unconventional and a “failed” man in the eyes of my biological family, Adonis is the perfect comfort as the failed adult who succeeds into immortality.

References

Edmund P. Cueva, (1996). Plutarch’s Ariadne in Chariton’s Chaereas and Callirhoe. American Journal of Philology,

Jameson, M. H. (2019). 2. The asexuality of Dionysus. In Cornell University Press eBooks (pp. 44–64). https://doi.org/10.7591/9781501733680-007

Plutarch, Quaestiones Convivales, stephpage 612c. (n.d.). http://data.perseus.org/citations/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0007.tlg112.perseus-grc1:612c

Reitzammer, L. (2016). The Athenian Adonia in context: The Adonis Festival as cultural practice. https://muse.jhu.edu/book/45855

Seaford, R. (2006). Dionysos. Routledge.

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3 philosophical arguments against abortion

1. The argument of doubt (In dubio pro vita)

There are situations in which doubt is a type of certainty. For example, if the subject is in doubt whether or not to get married one day before the wedding, this doubt is a strong indication that he should not get married. If the subject is in doubt whether or not he loves a person, it is because, at least at that moment, he does not yet love, since love is a firm decision. There are situations where "I don't know" is a no. The case of abortion must be included here.

There is no scientific consensus on the emergence of human life. If there is no consensus, there is doubt. Since there is doubt whether or not the fetus is human life in the scientific community, there is a 50% chance that it is human life, according to the scientific debate itself. Therefore, no one in their right mind would do something that "may" kill a person.

If they give you a drink and say: "you have a 50% chance of dying if you drink it", would you drink it? This argument is what I call the "skeptical argument" and it is quite strong, as it morally obliges even those who are on the fence to take a stand. When it comes to human life, the wall is not an option.

2 . The argument of personal identity

This argument is superior to the previous one, as it touches on metaphysical issues. Human life is a continuous process that, to be defined as such, does not depend on stages and apexes. The life of a 30-year-old man at the peak of his physical and mental fitness is no more life than the life of a 3-month-old baby. Just as the life of a 3-month-old baby is no more life than the life of a 3-month-old fetus which, in turn, is no more life than the life of a 3-week-old fetus. Living condition does not define life.

There is no stage where human life reaches its peak. There is only a single stage that has its initial burst in conception and its end in death. Personal identity is not acquired with an ID or a birth certificate. Personal identity is acquired the moment a person comes out of nothing and comes into existence.

Whether it is the human existence of the king of England or the existence of a 20-day embryo in the womb of a woman from an underdeveloped country, it is the existence of a human person in the same way. Existence is the only truly democratic thing, as it makes queens and faminshed people participate in the same category.

3. Being is previous to knowing

The most widespread thesis among those who are in favor of abortion is that the fetus should be considered "human life" only when the central nervous system is formed, there around 3 months. The error in this definition lies in the submission of being to knowledge - a basic metaphysical error. For someone to know, they must first exist.

Having knowledge or having brain activity in perfect formation is not enough to define someone as a "human being", if that were the case, people with dementia or with compromised mental activity would be less human than a mentally healthy person.

Today, you should no longer call a "person WITH a disability" a "disabled person", and I completely agree! After all, disability happens IN THE PERSON, but IT IS NOT THE PERSON!

Likewise, the faculty of knowing and mental/brain activities occur in the person's BEING, but they are not essential criteria to define this being. Thus, a 30-day-old embryo has as much being as an astrophysics genius. Let us not exchange the tree of life for the tree of knowledge again!

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I probably still wouldn’t have been a big fan of the game, but I don’t think I would have been NEARLY as upset about TotK if BotW didn’t seem like it was so obviously setting up plot points for a sequel. Like, you’re very clearly MEANT to wonder what malice is, and how Ganon became the Calamity instead of just the Demon King. Fi is awake again, where are they going either that? What’s the deal with the Triforce-shaped symbol on Zelda’s hand? There were a LOT of other things like that, and many of them had to do with overarching lore for the series.

I get it if they want to reboot the series, but “BotW 2” was the single worst game you could have done that with. It could have been an amazing conclusion to the original continuity.

EXACTLY, you, you get it

botw felt like the introduction to a vast world with secrets and hints to things that were planned to become a bigger thing- a big giant game as a big giant set up, and then ... like totk likes to do alot, it lacks a pay off, and that is something it even does within itself, cosntantly, set up and no pay off, or set up and the most boring and uninspired pay off you can really not even call that, from the bigger things like the whole dragon thing being hammered into your head as irreversible and then it IS reversible.. out of nowhere without you having to do fuck all, the whole thing with the ancient hero beign a big mystery with lots of interesting ideas attached and then its some weird ass dog creature that doesnt resemble any other race with, of course, sonau armor, bc there nothing that isnt sonau in that game, even finding the old treasure maps you can find that then lead to amiibo stuff from botw id call that

botw wasnt that great with rewards either but exploring the world and wondering about those, surely intentionally, placed mysterious and intriguing designs and places did alot for making it so interesting to think about, totk fumbles it all and even the new stuff doesnt even come close to that environmental storytelling botw was so great at, sonau ruins? ha they look entirely different than in botw actually, bc those were built by hylians you see, the actual sonau stuff is in prime condition considering the time thats passed and its all the same blank blocky blocks that serve no purpose but to be a place for you to find a thing or exchange some currency- the most you can think about it is ... that the sonau hollowed out the entire underground of hyrule, every inch of the map, ... which is WEIRD and doesnt exactly make them look that good but ... thats all there is

at least with the shiekah it made somewaht more sense and it felt much less .. invasive? and you didnt have anyone from that time to talk to, other than dead monks whos only purpose is to give you their last piece of their own spirit, but in totk ... raurus ghost and mineru too are both just there to talk to but DONT tell you shit but vague hints that were already clear, the sky islands used to be on the ground? oh you dont say, you see them there in the stupid memories! and dont get to know how they got up there and theres nothing that can clue you in to that, its just sonau magic yet again i guess

dont even get me started on the whole malice/miasma thing, it made so much SENSE that there was a source of it, someone that has keep kept in a horrible place just between life and death for thousands of years trying to break free by their hate and anger manifesting to such a degree its literally spilling out and building creppy eyeballs, mouths and ribcage like structures like they are trying to rebuild themsleves outside of their awful prison no one knows about is so damn compelling, but no, actually, the guy trapped there was the msot evilest evar, was sealed bc him evil and no other motive, and the previously mentioned stuff is pretty much utterly unceonnected, and his magic beign miasma with red instead of pink and no creepy body parts was the true version of it, that pink one was its own thing heehooo SHUT UP argh

it doesnt help that really, i dont feel like the sonau were set up either, they were a tiny part in botw, really only serving to make the world seem more ancient and more full of history, having ruins from a past civilization there you know nothing about and cant find out more is so good, its compelling and sad and makes the world feel more real, just shoving them into everything, being the center of attention all of thes udden and not even the architecure fitting feels so ... forced, i really truly believe the og sonau werent meant to be more than that, but in their fear of the game being too similarly looking like botw they took the sonau to replace the shiekah with them- imo the shiekah were the ones set up to be deeper explored in botw, with their whole misstreatment by the royal family in the past, monk miz kyoshia reacting the same way a yiga commander would was deliberate and brings up even more interesting ideas, the comments about where the mysterious energy the ancient shiekah used to power everything being concentrated in certain regions?? thats a big ass set up, the fact that the center of what is signaling everything to reactivate being below hyrule castle? the fact the whole arena thing was BUILT INTO THE CASTLE or it on top of it is so??? cool??? and sso damn intriguing, we are scratching the surface of their history- but then no, actually, the sonau are the cool new shit those other ones just uh ... disappear, also the sonau did everythign the shiekah did but even better wayy before them haha

its like they didnt want to tackle the more complicated stuff with the shiekah, their relationship to the royal family and how the yiga ... have a point and a good reason- so they replaced them with entirely new purely goodest good guys that did the same stuff before them with none of the history attached :))

this is why im so insistent on it not really being a sequel, thers no follow up on anything that was set up, NOTHING, and no, a couple having a kid now or whatever isnt a follow up on an interesting set up, how hard is it to understand that-

.... listen to me rambling, you probably know all that already nhjdfkbnkd

(i know i always bring up the shiekah but ... they were so central in botw, while also not taking up every single corner- unlike some other ones >_____>, with so much interesting stuff to connect and think about, i cared about them so much i felt kicked down the stairs by their treatment in totk)

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the kid alastor au is so sad but so funny at the same time. like its sad because he never got to grow up properly and had to mature and a very young age, but also. imagine youre an overlord who managed to get on alastors bad side without realizing it and then the last thing you see is some ten year old boy with fluffy deer ears torturing and killing you. me personally i would NOT take that level of disrespect. plot twist alastor actually had to get husk’s soul some other way than he does in canon because no one will let him into a casino.

also, do you think he’d get along with some of the cannibal town kids, since they’re some of the few sinner children we see in hell, or does he prefer to stick by adults who dont know his identity as the radio demon, since he’s technically fairly old? would he even BE a cannibal in this au? i doubt he ever got to murder anyone as a human before he died, but since he hangs around rosie still she might have offered him a finger or two and, uh… perhaps he was always just predestined for cannibalism even without becoming a bloodthirsty serial killer in life.

Yeah, this AU is inherently hilarious and kid-shaped Alastor is keenly aware of the absurdity of his whole... thing. But he makes it work for him, especially when he's torturing Overlords. He just loves the looks on his victims faces when he reveals himself as the Radio Demon, leaning into the whole creepy kid aesthetic as he's killing them.

The thing about Alastor is that it's very difficult to keep him out of places he wants to get into. Husk first saw Alastor when he strolled right up to the high rollers table and peeked over one of the player's shoulders to see their cards.

"Ooh, that looks like a good hand!" The shark jolted, surprised by the tiny voice chirping in his ear. The King of Hearts - everyone at the table - stared in sheer disbelief at the little schoolboy-looking brat who'd had the gall to intrude at HIS table. The kid smiled, apparently unconcerned with the numerous glares fixed on him. "What the- Who the fuck are you?" the shark growled at the kid. "Alastor! A pleasure to be meeting you, sirs. Quite a pleasure!" As he spoke, the kid wormed his way between two hulking shark-demons and sat his scrawny ass down at the table. "Would you happen to have room at your table for one more?" "Beat it, kid. We ain't playin' Go Fish," Husk snapped. "SECURITY!"

Security threw him out, but not two minutes later Alastor was back inside. No matter how many times Husk had Alastor tossed out, he'd just pop back in, as if by magic. Finally, Husk agreed to let Alastor play ONE GAME if he would just stay the hell out of his casino afterwards.

Well, you know how that went.

I won't say this version of Alastor is much nicer to Husk. But by present, Alastor does very much appreciate that Husk talks to him like any other adult. Like, they have their in jokes, the routine with the ID card and whatnot, but Husk of all people knows he isn't just some kid and doesn't pity him.

Well, Husk doesn't outwardly pity him.

And yeah, I do think Alastor has a sort of kinship with demon children. He doesn't consider himself one of them, fully, especially in the case of actual Hellborn kids who won't stay children forever. But since the Pride Ring is primarily made up of sinners, I think the small population of sinners who died as children and survived past their first extermination in hell probably have some sort of community. I'm not 100% certain about the cannibal kids, since I've heard conflicting information on whether Rosie and her people are Hellborn or not. Their entire design seems to set them apart from the rest of the sinners.

Regardless, Alastor is friends with Rosie in this AU, and he does become a cannibal through her influence. Although Rosie doesn't know he's the Radio Demon, she does suspect that he's more powerful than he lets on and treats him no different than any of her clients. Their friendship is pretty similar to canon with them exchanging information and favors over coffee and pinkie fingers. She even gives him details from the Overlords' meetings. When they're in private though, Alastor lets himself relax a bit, and allows Rosie to fuss over him. Alastor is a bit contradictory, and as much as he doesn't want people treating him like a child, he mourns the childhood that was violently ripped away from him and the mother he lost in that moment. When he and Rosie have these moments, it feels for a moment like he really is a kid again.

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i wrote this into a youtube comment like moments ago, but i feel strongly enough that i will put it out here as well;

Lego Monkie Kid Season 5 does NOT have villains. it has characters that are antagonistic forces and layered with nuance on top of nuance.

not to say previous seasons didnt do this, but this season ABSOLUTELY is entirely filled with characters like this

lmk season 5 spoilers, as well as anything from previous seasons just in case cause idk. might get long too tbh oopsies JINNGFDOIJN

we have a few characters to consider for LMK s5's "villains".

we have Ne Zha's dad (i forget his name, ill probably call him pagoda man), nine headed dragon (consort, 10th king, xiangliu) and nuwa. we could theoretically consider thousand eyed demon, however hes only relevant in one episode so id hardly count that

pagoda man is the easiest to explain, he is an antagonistic force because hes trying to hold onto what little order there is left of the world, he is trying to be the duct tape keeping the sawed in half boat together, and hes trying to minimize risks. does that excuse how he treats ne zha? fuck no, but thats a whole different discussion and depending on your interpretation of how much of the chinese mythos you use for this work will vary. he is just like mk as mk himself points out, it doesnt have to be just pagoda man doing the work, theres people willing to help, and then he joins the heroes side for the end.

cool, great, now. what the fuck do i mean by nuwa?

this is where interpretation is strongest, where it is key. ill just be sharing my perspective. when i was first watching season 5 my partner pointed out to me that in chinese mythos chaos is a core element of the world, it is necessary. this, coupled with the fact that nuwa made mk to fix a cycle she created (which we also dont know how many cycles the world has gone through, it could be one, it could be two, it could be in the hundreds if not thousands, whos to say.) and to keep chaos out... she is keeping the world from being complete. her little cave without the outside world, without proper balance, her little people living blissfully apocalypse to apocalypse. "but theyll all die!" "theyll live again" nuwa says, smile on her face.

she is disconnected from her cave, her world her people, her creations, who knows how long shes been in the limbo, how well she can perceive time, how many times a sacrifice comes in, they get a few words exchanged before they just leave, her in the pillar, only getting glimpses when the cycle is ending of the world, only to be shut in again.

neat, ok, but xiangliu??? hes who was gestured at from the BEGINNING of season 4.

see. heres where we get into the GOOD shit.

this is why it is important to establish that we dont know how many cycles have happened. we do not know how long he has been stuck, how many times he has tried to fix the world over and over. he makes it clear in his ending dialogue, if only he knew how to fix it, that sharing the power of the stones was the key to his freedom. the fact that he goes from what most would consider the least important title to the most important one, his own name, the fact he states he was wukongs friend, his enemy, both, wukong just doesnt remember

that implies longentivity. that implies so many cycles and lifetimes lived inside this cycle, being aware of everything, being so damnably aware of what one considers true freedom, and having to sit at the precipice of that.

it is agony.

xiangliu for the majority of the season is the only one to call mk by his name. mk gets so often called child, kid, nicknames by the others, maybe mei refers to him as mk, but xiangliu has it be DELIBERATE. he altered the course of the cycle to give mk a life, to let him HAVE a life where nuwa didnt care for one, he WANTED mk to grow enough that he would be able to choose. because everything is about mks choice, his ability to choose it all matters on HIS. CHOICE.

the only time this falters is when xiangliu thinks he is trapped for good. he rushes at mk, one final chance at freedom seemingly taken from him. xiangliu never fights mk. he only fights the others when they start fighting him. when its just him and mk at the edge of the world, at the edge of chaos, he talks to mk. tells him what to expect, mentions a mysterious "he" now that mk has opened the cage. and he pushes mk back so he gets to go back to his life. so that mk can have choices still. xiangliu got what he wanted, so its only right mk gets what he wanted too. to live with his friends and let everyone live a life where they can figure something out.

that is why i do not think there are villains in lego monkie kid season 5. they are antagonists with layers of nuance, nuance we arent privy to for reason or another, be it episode count, length, screentime, or that were just not supposed to yet. season 5 does not have an obvious bad guy, a villain, because the nuance is right within our grasp.

thank you for reading this. fucking essay apparently oopsies JINNGFDIJN

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