#is stolitz really endgame

[fizziepopangel]

A Fizziepop Take: Let's talk about when they saw each other and Stolas’ new look at himself

I have so many fucking feelings about this new episode, so let’ts get into it right now before I explode!!! Because... Oh. My. God.

Warning, potential spoilers ahead!

The duet in the beginning had me screaming. The music was amazing and so much was said within this 2 minute 40 second musical snippet of the show. First of all, the fact that this is the first Stolitz duet we’ve gotten in the series is absolutely amazing because there’s usually so much emotion in the undertones of the Helluva Boss songs, and this one is no different. “When I See Him” definitely is one of the best songs we’ve gotten in the show so far, and I loved seeing the difference in Blitz and Stolas as they prepare to see each other again since it seems as though this is the first time our impish little lovebirds have really seen each other for quite some time. There’s nerves on both ends… But while both men are worried that the other getting tired of each other since they view themselves as unloveable, we see two very different methods of handling the anxiety that is surrounding their usual full moon meeting. Stolas, in his usual dramatic fashion ends up hiding in the fridge at one point as he wrestles with the weight of what he plans to do, while Blitz does what he does best and tries to ignore the heaviness of the situation that he knows will be there by essentially saying that if he focuses on the sex stuff enough, everything else will just fade into the background for the time being.

Now, sometime around the first time I started falling down the tumblr rabbit hole as a writer, I responded to a post about how toxic the Stolitz relationship is, because no matter how you spin it, Stolitz is pretty freaking toxic as they were before the most recent episode. As the person I responded to all that time ago pointed out, this contractual agreement they have revolving around the full moon is an abuse of power on Stolas’ part…. And , I believe, emotional manipulation on Blitz’s part. The full moon agreement binds the two men, but somewhere along the line, both men actually developed feelings for one another and the full moon agreement was, in a way, a formality that made it less taboo to be together since Blitz is a lower class demon in comparison to the Goetia prince, and it gave both men something to blame in the event that one of them didn’t want the other. While the entire thing was fucked and toxic and hauntingly unhealthy for the both of them, the agreement did benefit both Stolas and Blitz….  But, as I’ve mentioned in other posts, the events of Ozzie’s was a real turning point for the couple

Their date at Ozzie’s really changed everything because when the two are alone together, Blitz tends to feel more in control of things and he feels genuinely desirable and needed in a way… But after seeing the owl prince actually hide his face in embarrassment when attention is drawn to him being with the imp, that illusion of being on a somewhat even playing field in all of this shatters abruptly. In the same token, Stolas never realized just how badly their agreement affected the imp until he attempted to salvage the night at the end by inviting Blitz over to spend time with him only to have Blitz tell him that he wasn’t in the mood to have sex that night and he knows that that’s all Stolas really keeps him around for. Seeing Blitz in pain that way hurt Stolas in a way that he wasn’t prepared for because he knows what it’s like to feel as unloveable as Blitz seemed to feel in that moment, prompting him to try to give Blitz his freedom back in the hopes of starting a genuine relationship.

This brings us to Stolas’s gift to Blitz: an asmodian crystal.

We see Blitz putting forth a genuine effort with Stolas in a few scenes, leading Stolas to believe that Blitz would genuinely choose to be with him even if he broke the tether of IMP needing him in order to access the human world. And we as an audience see the glimpses of Blitz caring for the prince and even being excited to see him in the beginning of “Full Moon”, but Blitz doesn’t take well to change and I think he values the comfortability and structure of the routine that they’ve built in a way…. Stolas on the other hand is starting to realize the wrong in what he’s been doing to the other man and his already fractured self image is going from “I don’t really like myself” to “I’m a straight up monster”, and I think this way of thinking is going to stick after hearing Blitz break and snap at him about how everyone tends to treat imps like him (and himself) like they don’t matter in any sense, meaning he inadvertently admits that Stolas has made him feel that in some sense within their time together. After being in a loveless marriage with an abusive partner (I use this term very loosely for Stella), I think Stolas felt as though he sank down to her level with Blitz… Although Blitz says that in the heat of the moment as his volcano of unfelt feelings erupts, and he does try to apologize, I don’t think Stolas will forgive himself for that for a long time, and I don’t think that he’s going to stop seeing himself as a monster for even longer.

After “Full Moon”, I am a little worried for Stolitz… But if I’m honest, Stolas and Blitz actually remind me of Ian and Mickey from Shameless. I think Blitz and Stolas are destined to be endgame the same way I always felt Mickey and Ian were. I also think that with both men having time apart after this breakdown, they’ll have an easier time healing from the trauma that the full moon agreement has put them both through… At least I hope that’ll be the case, cause ya know, this is just a humble Fizziepop Take.

[anthurak]

So this is a take that I imagine won’t make me a lot of friend…

But this clip from the trailer is NOT actually Blitzo rescuing Stolas.

Really look at what this shot is showing and what it is implying:

The shadow of a giant claw, likely created by Andrealphus or Stella (probably the former, given the other shot), coming down to crush Stolas and Blitzo. With what seems to be an injured and probably defenseless Stolas being held by Blitzo who in turn is also holding up a sword of some kind towards the approaching shadow in a defiant gesture.

The thing is, this is NOT a shot meant to convey strength from Blitzo but rather helplessness. It is showing Blitzo making a desperate yet clearly futile attempt to protect Stolas as they are both about to die.

This shot is not conveying Blitzo saving Stolas. This shot is setting up both Blitzo and Stolas to be saved by someone else.

I mean, we’ve all seen stuff like this before, right? The big ominous shadow of smashing coming down on its would-be victims, followed by a smash to black. Then a shot of said victims realizing they have not been smashed, followed by a reveal of whoever has jumped in at the last moment to stop the smashing.

So that just leaves the question of WHO is going to be saving these two?

A few options do come to mind: Octavia with the Grimoire displaying her newfound power as a Goetia, Loona with the Grimoire displaying the magical talent we’ve gotten subtle hints towards all series, Loona AND Octavia working together, Moxxie via headshotting Andraelphus with the blessed carbine he swiped from Striker all the way back in Season 1…

However, the option I find the MOST interesting, especially as it pertains to potential character development, is VASSAGO. Particularly if he’s already been set up as a potential love-interest for Stolas.

In which case him swooping in for a big dramatic rescue of Stolas (and Blitzo) could totally clench him as Stolas’ big rebound going into Season 3.

[bananatanz]

probably an unpopular opinion: but i didn't hate this situation

stolas looked to blitz for permission. even after all the fighting and hurt feelings, he still cares enough to see if blitz is okay with stolas dancing with this guy, and blitz gives him permission.

stolas has never had any experience outside of stella and blitz. his relationship with stella was toxic, and he wasn't happy. his relationship with blitz has been solely built on sex, with a lot of stolas having to tiptoe around his own feelings. stolas never really got to experiment outside of his relationship with blitz, and with how blitz treated him, i think he should be allowed to do what he wants.

stolitz is endgame (ofc), but i see nothing wrong with stolas having his rebound and expressing himself. he's never been openly desired in such a way, and he deserves to explore that. if blitz is allowed to fuck other people, so is stolas.

also, this dude was nothing but nice to stolas, and i see no reason to hate on him. he's giving stolas an opportunity to have a kind of fun he's never had before. with stolas' lifestyle, he's never been able to attend a party just for the sake of having fun, dancing, and getting drunk.

can we please stop infantilizing stolas? just because his experience is limited, doesn't mean he's incapable of making his own choices. he doesn't need blitz, and i think it's important that he discovers himself more before the two of them rekindle their relationship. if he wants to party and kiss a guy, then so be it. if blitz did the same, no one would care—so let stolas fuck some random guy if he wants to!!

[warblogs17282]

Stolas 100% knew that what he was saying in this scene in the apology tour song wasn't true.

This is not the face of a man that is convinced he's telling the truth, like just the upper set of eyes here really speaks to me here.

Honestly, Stolas probably got peer pressured into saying that, considering Verosika kept talking over Stolas during the song. The facial animations during this song are killing me rn they're so good.

Plus, if that didn't convince you, there's proof in the argument Stolas and Blitz had at the start of the episode that Stolas knows it meant at least something to Blitz.

"If by "crushes other's feelings" you mean- end shit before it gets serious, then bingo. I'm doing everyone a favor because relationships are boring."

"Oh, yes, very boring. So what are you doing here, then?"

Stolas calls Blitz the fuck out here for pretending like it meant nothing to him, so we know damn well Stolas was lying when he said 'it didn't mean a thing at all' in the song.

STOLITZ IS ENDGAME

[voxaholic]

I do genuinely want Stolitz to be endgame but I think a temporary break might be exactly what Stolas needs.

Stolas is… not in a good headspace right now. I’d argue that he hasn’t been in a good headspace for decades. So much of his identity is hinged on his love for Octavia as a father and his feelings for Blitzo.

In the wake of his divorce, I think Stolas needs to find himself. Actually, I think what Stolas really needs is to make some actual fucking friends, maybe talk to Asmodeus more.

Stolas’s social circle is really small. I feel like if he had more people to emotionally rely on he wouldn’t feel as much like his happiness depends on Blitzo returning his feelings.

[blitzwhore]

I've seen a few people over the past few days (and weeks, and months) discuss whether Stolitz is, or will be, "canon", and... I must admit, these conversations confuse me a bit.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but through the years and across various fandoms, I've always understood "canon" (with regards to a ship) to mean "are shown to be, or to have been, romantically or sexually involved in the source material".

I might be the only person who sees it this way, and if I am that's totally fair, but to me, Stolitz has always been canon. We have known that they fuck since the pilot. Episode 1 reinstates that Blitz and Stolas fuck. They have kissed on screen. Obviously, they have also pined to hell and back (ha) for one another. This is no different than, for example, Blitz x Verosika, a ship that is also canon, because the show has stated that they dated, fucked, and that Verosika loved Blitz. They are shown to have been involved romantically/sexually. An example of the opposite would be, say, Verosika x Barbie—a ship many people like, but that isn't canon (as of right now, anyway), because these characters aren't confirmed to have been involved romantically or sexually at any point.

I think a more accurate word to use in conversation to convey the "will they/won't they" arc between Stolas and Blitz is "endgame", which I understand to mean "are together by the end of the story told in the source material, and implied to stay that way indefinitely". Which, to be fair, I also see used a lot in conversations about the ship.

Again, correct me if I've understood this wrong, but as I see it, every ship that is endgame is canon, but not every ship that is canon is endgame. And once a ship is canon, you can't really de-canonise it. (I mean, you could, if you revealed it all to have been a fever dream, but you get what I mean). Stolitz has always been, and will always be canon.

More accurate words to describe what's happening between a ship such a Stolitz at different stages of their getting-together journey, I think, would be "together", "dating", "in love", "fucking", "having sex", "declaring their love to one another", "aware they love each other", or "on the same page", to name a few.

Questions like "Are Stolitz together now?" or "Does the latest song count as them declaring their love to one another?" are a lot more productive and interesting, in my humble opinion, than "Are they canon?"

[angelshizuka]

"Fanon Stolitz is better than Canon Stolitz" Oh god I remember that take.

"in canon there’s a lot of things where they gloss over stuff and don’t take advantage of clear opportunities. I get the writers don’t want to drop like.. a bunch of exposition, and that’s understandable, but… honestly, a lot of casual fans are not gonna pause the video and read through the large amount of text Stolas sent blitz. And since a lot of that info gives important context to the character, showing how stolas is trying to be thoughtful + such to Blitz, I think it woulda been better to have a voice over that read Stolas’s texts out loud, and then cut to the bit where Blitz is typing and then leaves him on read."

"there’s also not a lot of times that we see Blitz and Stolas just bonding. Usually they’re either having drama/arguing, or they’re having sex/making suggestive comments at each other. And I know we’re only about halfway through the show but I think for an endgame ship you need to have some moments where the main two bond more, even if it’s just them doing something fun together, or showing how they have something in common. I think there is potential but the execution is muddled."

SERENA HELP

"I think it woulda been better to have a voice over that read Stolas’s texts out loud"

Anyone wanna bet how much more hate that scene would've gotten if they had made it like that. Like, with the amount of text messages there are, it would've taken so long and really distrubed the pacing of the scene. Not to mention Stolas reading them out loud (this is the only "voice over" I can make sense of, because I hope they don't mean a narrator or something?) still wouldn't have given the same effect as reading the text messages.

And maybe a hot take, but even without the text messages there's still plently of development already. If anything the text messages are just the cherry on top.

Also, does the episode Seeing Stars mean nothing to these people!? It's the most functional their relationship has ever been, because they had something other than their situationship to worry about and they bonded so naturally. How are people so blind to this, just because the episode has "tone issues" or whatever.

[flower-boi16]

Honestly even if Stolas wasn't literally the worst person (bird?) ever his ship with Blitz would still make me roll my eyes through my skull- because it's endgame, and all they do is make each other the most miserable person ever. All we are shown of them is that- misery. Or sex. We are NEVER show them having a good time or just enjoying each other's company- I love angst as much as the next person but when your entire MAIN SHIP is just drama and nothing else, while STILL being endgame, I just get bored of it and hope they hooked up with other people.

At this point I think the main issue with Stolitz now is the writers insistence on trying to get them together no matter whatever issues it might create. I’ve talked about this before but, Stolitz is a relationship based on rape. You can not salvage a relationship based on rape.

Blitz suddenly developing feelings for Stolas in Apology Tour in spite of having no reason to actually love him given how A. Stolas has treated him and B. his own prior attitude towards Stolas being very negative really shows how the writers are trying to force Stolitz into being the end game ship despite the fact that you can’t salvage this relationship.

It was never based on mutual love between partners, and the fact that they suddenly had one character develop feelings for the other to make it mutual love despite it making no sense shows that the writers are trying hard to make this relationship work when it really doesn’t.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

I Think Dating A Celebrity Like Verosika Should Have Been The Reason Why Blitzo Went Awol On Her

I don't think saying she loved him was a fitting explanation. I think a better explanation is that again he felt he wasn't good enough for her or even worse thought she thought little of him due to a misunderstanding. If it was the latter then it would make sense he would put her into debt because he thought she didn't really respect him and thus getting back at her. Ironically it would parallel with the narrative they are trying to go with Stolas and him. And again this would be better if they had of flashback of him and Verosika so we can see it and not be told. But Verosika is just a vehicle for the damn endgame ship that is Stolitz.

[pinkandpurple360]

I think the main issue with helluva boss is that it’s written under this assumption that fans will prioritize Stolitz over everything else. Octavia’s feelings and (according to Viv’s claims in season 3) Loona’s feelings of feeling neglected don’t matter because stolitz is important. Millie’s arc doesn’t matter because stolitz. The entire fucking premise doesn’t matter because Stolitz.

I’ve never seen a ship take over the minds of so many people and destroy a project so thoroughly. Yeah Viv, a hundred or so people on Twitter who wrote and draw stolitz smut all day will prioritise it and defend you from any and all discourse and criticism. But only if you keep shovelling out more stoliz and faster stoliz…that’s why you feel the need to apologise for even implying there’s a chance it won’t be endgame…what a crazy predicament to put yourself in.

Also I didn’t hear about Loona possibly being neglected really?

[stories-and-chaos]

Okay okay okay, Full Moon, aaaaaaaaaauuuuuugh

Wifey and I watched it and did our usual theory crafting analysis. Goddamn Blitzø and Stolas really hate themselves. So they interpret everything someone says about them in the worst possible way. Blitzø lashes out and Stolas retreats.

Stolas, babe, you sang a heart wrenching number about wanting Blitzø to “look your way” and the moment he really truly saw you, you tossed his ass out to the curb. You’ve been agonizing over this for months, give him more than thirty seconds to process.

Blitzø, I know you hate being in your own head but just focusing on the simple things always seems to backfire. Pretty sure you’re gonna be forced to deal with all the complicated shit in your head in Ghostfuckers.

And I had a feeling the breakup (for lack of a better term) was coming but dammit it still hurts. I’m 99.5% sure that Stolitz is endgame for the series but both our boys need to get their walls torn down for that to happen.

I’m so happy that Blitzø and Fizz are friends again. That fist bump, the casual physical affection, instant support, it was like taking pain meds before a rough medical procedure. I really hope Fizz will be there for Blitzø in the aftermath of all this.

Completely irrelevant but my jaw dropped when Stolas fitted the crystal into Blitzø’s gauntlet. But he’s got a spot for another on his other arm… and it’s not like he needs two Asmodean crystals…

I want that blade to be some sort of magic/demonic weapon linked to Blitzø that gets fitted to his other gauntlet. Complete speculation but it would be so cool.

Wifey pointed out that Stolas looks tiny in this bit. Possibly stripped of his powers and diminished because he’s in a depressive spiral and neglecting his duties? We’ll just have to see what happens but the emotional wrecking ball is coming for us all methinks. And especially for these adorable dumbasses.

[ifwebefriends]

Thoughts on Apology Tour (major spoilers below)

I did NOT expect to be thrown into another tense Blitz and Stolas conversation RIGHT AS THE EPISODE STARTS

Blitz is like SO CLOSE TO GETTING IT HES SO CLOSE

He basically poured his real vulnerable feelings out then played it off, like he’s getting there he kinda knows what his problem is he’s getting there I can feel it

I like almost forgot about the first time Striker tried to kill Stolas ngl and I never even thought that Blitz should have warned him idk

Why were you listening to love ballads Blitz?!?!? Huh?!?!? 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

Blitz didn’t really say the word “sorry” to the people he was apologizing to all day, he was just giving them notes/baskets, that was my first like red flag

MARTHA AND THE TEACHER OMG

THEY GOT A BISHOP AT THE GOV AGENCY BRO

THE MEMES HE WAS SENDING STOLAS

I loved the song Stolas sang, he was honest even though it wasn’t like a popular take

BLITZ’ FACES DURING THE SONG I CANNOT RIGHT NOW

Tex I don’t think Loona would like you shit talking her dad like that (or maybe she would idk)

LOVED the Stolas and Blitz interactions at the party, they learned more about each other, it’s like paving the way for better things I think

I really liked the conversation Verosika and Blitz had, it was great character development and revealed some important info

I love that Stolas is having some fun at that party and not wallowing in despair

Was sad that they didn’t really make up in this episode but from a story perspective it makes sense and I think it kinda makes for a better paced and more interesting story

A big part of me thinks that they won’t really talk or interact again until Sinsmas but they’ll be thinking about each other the whole time and trying to heal and become healthier and better people who can communicate and show love better than they can now :)

What I think is going to happen is like they won’t really talk a bunch maybe they’ll text here and there but I think some space is good for them right now then in Sinsmas when Stolas is stuck and in trouble and his back is against the wall, at the last second, Blitz SWOOPS IN TO SAVE HIM and they make up or at least start to make up and are on good terms again (apollos dodgeball please hit me please please please)

I really do think that Stolitz is endgame y’all I really do but we have a lot to work through for now

Really good episode overall

[warblogs17282]

people seem to be expecting a love triangle with Vassago and Blitz both being after Stolas, but if the trial thing is IMP on trial, what if Vassago is their assigned public defender and actually mostly interacts with Blitz? That would be funny.

Something else I find funny is that Vassago hasn't even appeared on the show yet and somehow Blitz x Vassago has already had a win because of this picture Brandon Rogers posted on his instagram a bit ago, with Brandon literally kissing Vassago's VA.

but yea I'm really hoping that they don't choose to go the love triangle route, as a huge fan of ace attorney I'm so hyped for the courtroom scenes and I really cannot wait to see how they play out, and I'm also just gonna say that Stolitz is gonna be endgame and all that, just in case someone takes this post the wrong way

[chaifootsteps]

Chai, this “all my Jax headcanons, in shambles” thing is super hilarious to watch but it got me thinking about when Western Energy was released 1 year ago, and people (me included) said they ruined Striker, who also had a single episode beforehand. Im wondering about what makes each case different from eachother since I cant really put it into words (and this was months before the “supremacist” line too). What I say can be applied to pre-Seeing Stars Stolas and Blitz (I liked The Circus because I still huffed Stolitz copium back then), so how does Viv ruin her own characters, fail to keep them coherent between episodes and doubles down on each episode but Gooze can write hers competently? Is it just because of Viv writing at the seat of her pants, her resentment towards female characters and Stolas critics, or something else?

I think the big difference is that no one who knew what they were talking about thought Striker was actually going to turn out to be a good guy. Maybe a compelling antagonist -- and even that turned out to be too much to hope for -- but there was no way in hell this guy was going to end up working for I.M.P. or endgame with Blitz. And I say that as BlitzStrike shipping trash.

The "Jax is ruined forever" crowd just kind of decided that Jax was a well-intentioned rascal with a heart of gold, even though Goose herself said over and over and over again that he was created to be irredeemable and that he's the most deserving of being stuck in the circus.

[anthurak]

So I did a post on this a couple weeks ago before The Full Moon released, but I am VERY curious as to whether the Stolitz breakup will really stick past the season finale. As in, will this arc of episodes, likely culminating in either The Mastermind or Sinsmas, conclude with Blitzo and Stolas, though mostly Blitzo, working through and resolving enough of their issues that they are both willing to give an actual relationship a try? Thereby hooking (back) up at the end of the season.

OR, will Blitzo and Stolas still reach personal closure and a mutual resolution to their fight in The Full Moon… but NOT in a way that sees them getting into a relationship? Instead, despite whatever drama and emotional resolution they go through during the climax of the season (say, Blitzo rescuing Stolas from Andrealphus), Blitzo and Stolas decide that a relationship between them simply isn’t going to work. Perhaps with the season ending on a bittersweet note of Blitzo and Stolas parting on mostly good terms, perhaps with a mutual desire to be friends of some kind, but still parting nonetheless.

See, like I said in that other post, I do think that Stolitz is still PROBABLY ultimately endgame for the show. But that doesn’t mean that the show can’t take it’s time getting there. Rather than rushing Blitzo and Stolas to get together, the show could instead spend time developing them as individuals before they are actually ready to be in a relationship.

And one really cool factor in all this is the Asmodean Crystal that Stolas gave Blitzo this episode.

See, I think it’s easy to imagine a scenario wherein the Stolitz breakup, and consequently Stolas taking back the grimoire, is this even BIGGER deal that paints Stolitz as foundationally integral to the show itself. As in, no Stolitz equals; no grimoire equals; no easy travel to Earth equals; no I.M.P equals; no show. Which in turn would create one of those situations wherein basically everything in the show has to pivot to resolving this one plot/conflict, because the underlying premise of the show simply cannot work without it. Basically, the show would now HAVE to revolve around the Stolitz conflict until I.M.P. could get the grimoire back or find some other way of getting to Earth.

But the Asmodean Crystal neatly sidesteps that whole problem. Because now even with the Stoltiz breakup drama playing out, Blitzo and co. can continue their business, ie; the foundational premise of the show, unimpeded. Furthermore, this means that the show in no way obligated to ‘get Blitzo and Stolas back together’ anytime soon, if at all.

Hence my curiosity at whether the Stolitz breakup will stick going into Season 3. Because thanks to the Asmodean Crystal, even if the writers still plan on Stolitz ultimately getting together, they can now take as long as they like getting them there.

[princess-pathetic-112898]

Helluva Boss Spoilers:

Me watching Blitzo plow Chaz:

I jest, I jest. Sort of. It’s not out of character for him at all to have sex with someone just to get dirt on them, he’s certainly no stranger to transactional intercourse, the nature of his current relationship with Stolas isn’t really defined, and it’s obvious Stolitz will still be endgame (just look at the merch store)- But it still hurt my Stolitz luvin’ heart.