#iliad book 5

[emmikay]

[katerinaaqu]

No one absolutely no one:

Athena and Diomedes in Iliad:

[serashii]

The Iliad book 5

another doodle of a moment I found funny

[thhouseofblack]

Chapters: 1/1 Fandom: EPIC - Jorge Rivera-Herrans (Albums), The Iliad - Homer, Ancient Greek Religion & Lore Rating: Mature Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings, No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Diomedes/Odysseus (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Diomedes/Odysseus (EPIC: The Musical) Characters: Diomedes (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Diomedes (EPIC: The Musical), Odysseus (EPIC: The Musical), Odysseus (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Athena (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Aphrodite (EPIC: The Musical), Aphrodite (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Sthenelus son of Capaneus (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Aeneas (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Pandarus son of Lycaon (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Agamemnon (EPIC: The Musical), Agamemnon (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Menelaus (EPIC: The Musical), Menelaus (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Nestor (EPIC: The Musical), Nestor (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Ajax the Greater son of Telamon (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore) Additional Tags: Canon Compliant, Parent Aphrodite (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Myth of Aphrodite taking the form of the one you love and desire the most, Trojan War, Bottom Odysseus (EPIC: The Musical), Odysseus Is Confused (EPIC: The Musical), Top Diomedes (EPIC: The Musical), Diomedes-Centric (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Inspired by Qinny's Art Summary:

She shrieked in pain. A cry, high and keening, rang out from lips that should not have been his, a sound like the shattering of a lyre string, like the breaking of something too fragile to have ever been upon the field of war, so unlike Odysseus.

Yet it is Odysseus’ face that twists in pain and for a heartbeat, Diomedes faltered. It is a cruel thing, to see that visage – beloved, cherished – contorted in agony, to hear a voice that has only screamed and moaned in pleasure into his ear now raised in a shriek of torment. His grip tightens around his shield, knuckles whitening as his mind battled against the illusion, against the deception that would undo him.

No. This is not Odysseus. This is Aphrodite.

 (Or, Diomedes knows that none can see the Lady Aphrodite's true form, that she appears as one's most desired, adored and loved. Yet it still takes him aback entirely when she appears to him as Odysseus)

[sharkie-chaos]

I think the Iliad does a splendid job of showcasing the humanity in war. I mean this as a sense of people being people, there are no ‘good guys.’ It’s clear that everyone has a life, and everyone has something to lose. Before his death, Pandarus talks of his home, and the regrets he has about the horses, and breaking the truce. He clearly regrets what he did. Another scene is with Diomedes and Glaucus, where they both realize their families were once friendly with each other, and refuse to fight one another, with Diomedes even putting his spear down. Not to mention the scene of Hector playing with his son, where Astyanax gets scared by his father’s armor. The scene ends with Hector even hoping his son turns out to be more skilled than himself. Probably a little silly for me to point out something so obvious, but I needed to ramble about it (my friends and family are very tired of me talking about this book) ALSO DID YOU KNOW PRIAM APPARENTLY HAD 100 KIDS??? BECAUSE I DIDN’T.

[noleafclover]

I, uh, finished the Iliad

here are some notes in no particular order.

Erm, what? They come back from a mission and go swimming then take a bath together, but platonically? I don’t think so.

I counted, Helen was the face that launched 1187 ships.

The drama is dramaing… also Diomedes is my favorite character 100%

Nooo, don’t compare ppl to gods that means they’ll die :(

Achilles, calm down girl, it’s literally been like 12 days

Fuck, when did this get so sad, I literally cried.

Hephaestus is my comfort character

[kexytimes]

Diomedes in book 5 : These hands rated E for everybody

[stfrancisismyhoe]

”And Patroclus (my hoe) came walking down the beach looking like motherfucking ares because he was jacked and covered in blood.”

-Homer, The Iliad

[ex35life]

I love how in Book 5 of the Iliad, Athena basically tells Ares, "Look bro, let's sit this one out and let the mortals kill each other so we don't piss Dad off." And Ares just shrugs and follows her to chill on the beach and watch the war.

And that lasts for about .5 seconds before Athena gets involved again.

[nerdrooikat]

drabbles about the deer imagery in The Secret History (specifically in relation 2 Camilla) because her becoming a deer/believing that she did stuck in my mind (although this post will mostly take Camilla and the other's recollection of events to be as they recount it – if i examine it in it's effect as an incorrect account, that would be in a separate post)

Obviously there's, on a meta level, an irony to it – Camilla and Charles are named to make fun of the Princess Diana scandal that was happening at the time, and so ironically Camilla transforms into an animal sacred to Diana.

There's also a parallel that I think could be interesting to make between Camilla and Taygete, who for anyone unfamiliar, was turned into a deer by Artemis to protect her from Zeus' sexual advances. Although I think that what happened in the Bacchae was concensual sexually, I think it could possible be indicative in Camilla's narrative role as the "wanted"/"desired" one within the greek class – by Charles, Henry, Richard (although he wasnt there) and even Francis, although he wants to be her more so than actually wanting her.

Additionally, outside of how it actually functions within the story, her transformation into a creature associated so closely with innocence, especially in relation to Diana/Artemis' virginity, might perhaps be tied to Richards view of her as this "pure" and "virginal" person – obviously we know this is far from the truth, and he himself learns this later, but I think it definitely ties into this flawed angelic idea of her he so covets.

I think this interpretation ties into the myth of Actaeon (in terms of "deer transformation myths") although its very interesting to me that they different at key points – Camilla, the "virginual" character, is the one transformed, rather than the sexual transgressor (Charles) or the one who introduces miasma (Henry). But, like Actaeon, she is pursued and hunted – which, another key point – Actaeon is pursued and killed by his own hunting dogs, and Charles returns from the ritual with a bite mark, perhaps tying him into the myth thurther?

[lyculuscaelus]

How easy it was to blame all these misadventures the Achaeans suffered upon their homecoming on a man in revenge for his son.

Yes, we know what Palamedes did, and we know that he deserved it. We know that the disaster near Cape Caphereus did happen, and Nauplius was the one behind this. But we have not learned of anything else about the other part of Nauplius’s revenge from any sources earlier than pseudo-Apollodorus’s Epitome (and we know that the entire chapter 6 of Epitome is very likely tampered by Tzetzes already). Since, to be fair, Homer wasn’t the only one who neglected all this resettlement of Achaean heroes.

There was no mention of the name “Nauplius” in Proclus’s summary of the epic Nostoi, and the only chance for him to show up is in “the description of the storm around the Capherian rocks”. We know that Nauplius would make an appearance in the Nostoi through, again, pseudo-Apollodorus. But nothing more. The corruption of Argive wives did not happen in the Epic Cycle, and both the Nostoi and the Odyssey did not elaborate on any exile of any Achaean leader especially Diomedes.

And Aegialeia was still a steadfast wife of Diomedes in Homer’s epics. And Clytemnestra could still find her justice in her lament for Iphigeneia in Aeschylus’s and Euripides’s plays. Any role Nauplius could play in this would be redundant—prudent Aegialeia simply wouldn’t comply, and Clytemnestra wouldn’t need him to convince her.

So, why the attribution then? A likely explanation would be the attempt to connect the hero with those foundation myths in places outside the Mainland Greece like Magna Graecia. And what better way to get the hero there than exile? And what better way to exile a hero than the betrayal of their wife if they had one? (Well there are better ways but you know what I mean) The thing is, why did it have to be Nauplius? I mean, the tragedy at Cape Caphereus was infamous indeed. I could totally see people blaming Nauplius the Wrecker for more things than simply lighting a false beacon and throwing rocks. So now we have our avenger Nauplius traveling around Greece contriving the corruption of Argive wives and causing shipwreck for the returned fleet and in some versions even bringing false news to Anticleia which led to her suicide (again, not the version in the Odyssey)…Nauplius just seemed to be such a convenient device to connect these events.

But does that have to be the only case for their nostoi? I mean, Homer certainly did not include anything about this exile in his epics, and we could totally have our Nauplius simply causing shipwreck, without messing up with other heroes’ families. Is it tragic? Certainly. But in the meantime, it is cathartic. Heroes like Diomedes, Idomeneus, Philoctetes still get to stay in their homeland, even if it’s just in a few versions—one of them being Homer’s version.

[emmikay]

Aeneas: (to Diomedes) Sorry, but you can’t kill me. Mom specifically instructed me to have a good day.

[specialagentartemis]

Ares whining to daddy that Athena is Zeus’s favorite and it’s not faaaaair

it’s kind of true though, is the funny thing. Zeus to Ares like “you’re hateful to me because you are uncontrollable and cause such strife and violence!” then turns around to Athena and goes “that’s fine sweetie, you can trick the Trojans into breaking their truce and starting the bloodshed up again, you can ride beside Diomedes to guide his spear to stab Aphrodite and Ares, you can do whatever you want forever, I support you <3”

[pelideswhore]

Paris: How would you describe my leadership skills?

Hector: Nonexistent.

Hector: Otherwise, excellent.

[kickedin17]

I need a secret third option besides visual reading & audiobooks where the book just like soaks into my body like a liquid IV & I experience it like the most incredible deja vu for about 6 hours

[km3tt0]

Ares: Why did you allow your daughter to hurt me? :(

Zeus: Bc she’s my fav