#genderfluid lestat

[jellyfishcharm]

he’s such a hateable little cunt i wanna kiss him

[candidsoup]

LESTAT GENDER INCOMING

INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE "I Could Not Prevent It" "And That's The End of It. There's Nothing Else"

[martinijordan]

since people are talking about weddings today: armand in a wedding dress

just thought you might like the visual seeing as you draw such a beautiful and seemingly genderfluid armand! thank you for all the art you share 💜

Thank you for the request! I actually really did like the idea. It's been a few days since then so I dont think anyone's talking about weddings anymore but I hope you like this anyways! it has a little angsty armand/lestat for flavor. ✨/rip the quality

[lesbians4armand]

on the technical side of things, maybe armand is intersex. he was often described as being beautiful like a girl! he couldve been born with a boys body but as he got older and hit puberty, perhaps he had a hormone disorder he didn't know about/coupled with sexual trauma/being turned he never really got to go through a full hrt puberty.

i know armand slept with numerous vampires in his coven, but he DOES have a tendency to not fuck human beings. maybe vampires CAN get pregnant, but they need a living counter part to make it work. immortal children are banned under vampire law, so i can see why female vampires aren't having children of their own (for fear of their child/them dying/the child being unable to progress physically or mentally) but wouldn't it just be like armand to be pregnant and not know until it's too late to do anything with?

or he gets pregnant and daniels the first to recognize the symptoms? the eating, the mood swings, how feral he's gotten during sex. i assume it would be jarring to wake up and find your vampire boyfriend projectile vomiting the 70 units of blood he gorged on 3 hours prior.

INTERSEX ARMAND!! YES!! The vampires of the vampire chronicles have always defied gender in its social ways but to have it completely blur binaries of biological sex is so so good, they already have so many differences to their biology and anatomy its not too much of a stretch.

And you’re right, armand is always described as being very androgynous, and bringing that along with his limited memories of his youth and the trauma that he went through, he could very well be intersex and not even realise it, though lack of memory or some other factor. I love exploration of Armand’s gender identity a lot due to his lack of self identity in general, I’ve considered genderfluid armand before and even transgender armand (t4t devils minion… real) but intersex is a new concept to me that’s super fascinating.

(shout out to that one fic where armand IS alice because he can literally change his gender and sex at will btw been thinking about that since i read it… very good very delicious very gender)

On logistics of vampire specific pregnancy, i also agree that one participant must be a living human, i doubt that vampires can get one another pregnant (both being dead things, as well as the law to not create vampire children). I think male vampires who do sleep with human women (cough cough, lestat) would be able to get them pregnant, and that human men can get vampires pregnant too. Someone has to be alive to create life in this scenario.

Who knows if these pregnancies would be entirely viable without specific requirements. Would the fetus need blood in-utero if half-vampire?? or is the baby just human as its created with living dna regardless? how does the vampire reproductive system work?? if their hearts still pump blood and their lungs still breathe, and their brains are still alive, their reproductive system may still be functioning even if other processes shut down? Iirc the VC universe later established that vampirism is kind of like a ghost-alien parasite infecting a dead human body but keeping some parts of it living. maybe this does include reproduction, I think all grounds of logic went out when we first got to aliens.

In the tv-show universe (in which im basing this crazy au), the vampires can have sex (though they could not in the books), so this implies a working reproductive system.

Anyway yeah! I think intersex Armand COULD be getting pregnant here. Admittedly I’m not super familiar with intersex people and how this would work but I’d love to learn more and it’s definitely a way of getting mpreg to work here. I think im too scared to commit to omegaverse so this is a very fun dynamic and solution.

On to the other parts of this ask as I have gone on a bit, Armand does seem the type to neglect his own wellbeing to the point he doesn’t realise he’s pregnant until months along when there is little to be done, but I also think he wouldn’t want anything to be done. He might not have very good experience or track record with children or kid-vampires (see claudia), but he would love the evidence of love from daniel. It’s a part of daniel and a part of him, I think he’d be obsessed with that, that they can bring something that is alive and good and both of them to the world.

The idea of daniel realising like “oh my vampire boyfriend is actually very strangely, almost like he’s ill, but vampires can’t get ill! It’s weird it’s like when Alice was pregnant with… Oh! oh that’s it. okay.”

thank you for the ask this was very interesting.

[alenkorra]

ok some of the tags under this post are weird to me, i should’ve never started this discourse 

iwtv fandom is funny because there's a collective headcanon of lestat being the submissive babygirl/Mother while the show tells us the opposite, they even call louis a housewife 🤭

[meerawrites]

hi!!! 📢 Three other vampire-related media you recommend. &♟️ Do you have any headcanons for Claudia and/or Claudeleine?

Three other vampire media I recommend:

Dracula Daily / @re-dracula

A Dowry of Blood by @saintmachina <- according to her all her characters are bisexual-biromantic (canon) and poly on purpose, also it is a cathartic and short read and as mentioned like Lestat, every single character is bi and poly af, also there is murder and girlbosses and hunter/hunted ships

A Flame in the Night by @ghostpoetics <- everyone is bi the lead female MC is a cabaret/Chicago ish girl (like Antoinette Brown) and León is genderfluid and bi, but also helplessly in love with his wife (who is a girlboss)

Claudeline headcanons:

They are both bi (Claudia just prefers girls in general cause trauma from her father figures yes both of them)

They got the sad artist (Madeline)/hopeful person of fashion (Claudia) swag… mirroring Nickistat

If you see them commit murder no you have not, they did nothing wrong ever

They are so in love they make young! Nickistat and honeymoon era Loustat (any version) look not pathetically in love, which is a feat cause Nickistat mastered the bi yearning and Loustat got that romantic tension down.

[armandposting]

do you think lestat is trans. if not do you think lestat could ever be trans and what circumstances would be needed for this to come about

frankly I thibk all you'd have to do is suck on his titties long enough for him to become ms. de lioncourt. but I also feel like he could easily be enthusiastically genderfluid the same way he's enthusiastically pansexual. he's just here to have a good time imo and if that includes more genders than so be it

[ca-suffit]

i don’t think ppl rly think lestat is a trans woman (most of them ship him w a gay man after all), just gnc/genderfluid and i can see them going that route. and i think it’s okay for ppl to joke/hc lestat as transfemme but the comments about sam being on estrogen are weird and uncomfy to me… idk, i’m not trans and idk if i’m being over sensitive, ik most ppl making those jokes are queer/trans in some way though seemingly not trans women. but idk, the sheer amount of tweets ppl have been making like this about sam specifically feels a bit… idk

ppl could just learn to say he's pretty and call it a day tbh. if it's trans ppl making the comments it's one thing, but I see it coming from a lot of non trans ppl too. in a fandom that glorifies transness in fictional characters but can't give a damn about any real trans fans otherwise, especially if they're not white.

it's not being overly sensitive wrt sam either, that's literally misgendering a real person. cuz...again, ppl can't just say he's pretty?? it's not progressive to basically reinvent homophobic and transphobic jokes in order to say u wanna fuck someone. fandom gets rly weird about all of this all of the time.

[heroinecomplication]

INTRO!?!?!?

Because pookie did it so I gotta follow suit and I'm like literally copying from him so it's ok guys!! @apple-cider-vinegarrr

My name is @heroinecomplication. Real name: [redacted]. I use they/she pronouns and I'm genderfluid 😱 (mostly towards female but yk) 🏳️‍🌈

I'm queer. Idrk my identity-

...(well I do know that Sam Reid is hot :) (sorry @apple-cider-vinegarrr ))

Ao3 - @heroinecomplication

Chat should I make a Twitter (lmfao)

I write and draw :D

On Tumblr I mostly just repost shit because I'm chronically online

In love with Sam Reid 🥰🥰

I will talk about IWTV for hours, days, if you let me. And while I'm not a Lestat apologist, I am a stan and he's hot as fuck (It's the hair). I don't excuse his actions, but he looks so goooooood 😇😇🤤😇😇

Fandoms: (most active in/like the most)

IWTV, NBC Hannibal, She-Ra, ATLA + TLOK, Good Omens, Arcane, Stranger Things (idk I can't think dm me if you want to know if I'm part of another one) (just started Killing Eve so if I like it I'll put it here :>)

Ships 😱:

Loustat, Claudeleine, Armandaniel, Lesmand, Hannigram, Marlana (murder wives), Catradora, Castaweaver, Zukka, Sukka, Yueki, Kyalin, Wuko, Korrasami, Suvira (I know, scandalous 🫢😔), Aziracrow, Ineffable Bureaucracy, Caitvi, Jayvik, Jopper, Steddie, Byler, Lumax, Elmax, Jancy, etc.

[jellyfishcharm]

“where my hug at” or “he knows where home is”

[monstersinthecosmos]

As a fellow Marius lover, I always find it kind of disheartening how most of the content/fandom talk about him (meta, fic, fanart, etc.) revolves around m/m ships (Marius/Armand in particular but I’d even go as far to include Marius/Daniel here) when, in my opinion, Marius is like the one male character in the VC universe whose relationships with women are far more interesting than his relationships with other men (the only other character might be Lestat but even then it’s pretty 50/50). They’re so monumental and so full of complexities and pain and so much love and they define him and inform his character in ways that I think, his relationships with men simply do not. Interesting/hot under the right circumstances? Sure but like ARE YOU GUYS SEEING THIS MAN??? AND HOW HE RELATES TO WOMEN??? It’s one of the best things Anne ever wrote and I can never get enough of it and it makes me sad how little content there is of it and I feel I can never say this out loud because I would never want to make people feel bad about what they ship (truly not my intention here) but ugh SO MUCH potential there for life changing discourse and meta about Marius and the women he’s loved and lost and have shaped who he is and there’s like… nothing.

Tl;dr the reason I’m sending this ask is because I’m a firm believer that you must be the change you want to see in this world and because YOU get it! And every time you post or write about Marius/Pandora (or Marius/Akasha! Or talk about Marius/Bianca) an angel gets its (black) wings. You are seen, you are loved and appreciated tysm <3

OKAY FIRST OF ALL THIS WAS SUCH A DELIGHT TO GET IN MY INBOX, SECOND IM GOING TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST AND ADMIT I FEEL TOO INCOHERENT TO TACKLE THIS TOPIC HAHA. I don’t feel articulate enough to do it justice. And I don’t say that to be obnoxious and self deprecating but like in all honesty idk how to synthesize it neatly but I think you’re sharing some GREAT IDEAS. 

I have to say this in bullet points because I don’t feel equipped to string this into a cohesive post:

Marius was based on Anne’s husband, and Marius/Pandora was based on their marriage!!!!! And I think it explains a lot about why their relationship feels so fuckin POTENT to me, like it’s so genuine!!!!!!! And like knowing that I think it makes sense why she wrote him so HOT lol. Like she’s just writing thirsty stuff about her husband right? LOL

Also like insofar as there’s a lot of genderfluidity in VC there’s also something vaguely misogynist about it at times. And Anne Rice was a mega feminist and her work had so much womens lib in it!!!!! So I don’t think it’s intended as misogyny at all vs. Anne having conversations about gender and maybe her own relationship to gender. I think enough characters have said vaguely misogynist stuff that it makes me think it’s an Anne Problem vs being Watsonian. (This is also a historical/time period issue and we can discuss another time if and when vampires are supposed to break out of that when they transcend humanity and social constructs even when they’re still saying weird sexist shit at their big ages.) But I say that to say all VC characters are a tad sexist, even if perhaps she was writing with the intention of her own male power fantasy/male superiority/penis envy. AND THAT MAKES MARIUS VERY INTERESTING. 

Cause like really the three main ladies in his life (Akasha, Pandora, Bianca) DO define him so much! And we don’t see him pine for Armand the way he did for any of them! Why!!!

Like there’s that aspect of sexism where women can be infantilized by men who don’t think they’re being unkind and it makes me wonder, especially when the author is a boomer, like where is that line between condescension and respect? I don’t have an answer here, this is too big-brained for me LOL but like he is SO devoted to the women in his life and I just wonder like if he sees them as creatures unlike himself, you know? 

This is headcanon territory but I bet he’s such a fucking sub to Pandora lol and it just thrills me that he spent 2000 years begging Akasha for affection and she ignored him the whole damn time wow. And he continued to simp!

AND ALSO LIKE, I think people DO NOT DISCUSS THIS OFTEN ENOUGH, but did we forget that he chose Armand because he needed a Bianca rebound? He was absolutely TORTURED by his love for Bianca and picked Armand because he didn’t want to kill her oh my god. Oh my god!!! HE KEPT HER LETTER IN HIS POCKET OVER HIS HEART OKAY??? HE DIDN’T WANT TO DRAG HER INTO HIS COLD AND FATAL DOMAIN????? Fuck lol

It’s so fucked up that he didn’t go after Armand but spent like actual fucking millennia trying to find Pandora. HE KNEW EXACTLY WHERE ARMAND WAS AND LEFT HIM THERE LOL BUT PANDORA HAUNTED HIM EVERY NIGHT OF HIS LIFE FOR CENTURIES.

After everything he wound up spending like 200 years with Bianca or something and ?????? CORRECT because Bianca was the fledgling he actually wanted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But it’s odd, I know I’ve said this 337589235 times, but Marius like. Has an idea of the person he wants to be and he tries SO HARD to live by logic & reason and he just can’t reconcile with the fact that he has EMOTIONS. And so like part of the person he wants to be like, open/empathetic/wise and he begs his lovers/students/fledglings to CHALLENGE HIM when he’s not actually healed enough to be challenged? And to me there’s something kinda like, extra spicy about it when you’re in Rice World and you’re a lil sexist; how much that burns EXTRA when it’s Pandora or Bianca sticking up to you or AKASHA FUCKIN IGNORING YOU. 

Just really incredible that this person who is like the epitome of a patriarch has such fucked up relationships with all the women in his life. And like he underestimates these women, like the way he tries to manipulate Bianca and she leaves him! PANDORA AND AKASHA ARE UNAVAILABLE TO HIM AND BIANCA FUCKIN LEAVES.

akasSHA JUST IGNROING HIM!! JUST STRAIGHT UP FUCKIN IGNORING HIM FOR 2,000 YEARS!!!! HE'S OBSESSED WITH HER!

Anyway Enkil is ignoring him too but he doesn’t give a shit about that guy tbh lol 

Also the amount of space he gives Eudoxia and Zenobia in his book like there’s more here too but tbh it’s midnight and I can’t start unpacking. I just think like, in 2000 years it’s interesting how Eudoxia wound up having such a lasting impact on his life. 

I did just peek at the Eudoxia part and I’m dying, he goes “Her face was small, oval, and as close to perfection as anything I've ever beheld, even though she bore no resemblance to Pandora who was for me perfection itself.” CERTIFIED WIFE GUY.

What kinda mommy issues are we dealing with here? HIS MOTHER WAS A SLAVE THAT DIED IN CHILDBIRTH AND HE INHERITED HER GENES AND LOOKED LIKE HER AND DIDN’T LOOK LIKE HIS FATHER & BROTHERS? AND HE’S SORT OF AN OUTCAST AS A HUMAN LIKE ? THE STIGMA HERE? AND THEN HE SPENDS 2000 YEARS WORSHIPPING HIS NEW MOTHER??? PERHAPS YOU COULD SAY ENSLAVED TO HER? IDK MAN. 

IS THIS ALSO WHY HE WAS SO OBSESSED WITH LOSING PANDORA?

The irony too, and something I think a lot of people miss, is that he DIDN’T WANT TO MARRY PANDORA LOL. He wanted to be betrothed to a child so that he could FUCK OFF and NOT get married because she wasn’t old enough to get married! He fucked off! He went exploring! He said this is not for me! 

AND TO GO OUT INTO THE WORLD AND BE MURDERED BY HIS MOTHERS PEOPLE???? IDK. 

I’m not sure how these last two points tie into anything but I just wanted to mention his complicated relationship with Pandora and his own heritage lol. And then Akasha like DELIVERS Pandora to him because she’s like “wow this guy needs somebody lol and I am not emotionally available” — Akasha who was famously a violent genocidal radfem and who would not approve of his relationship with Armand but explicitly allowed him to have Pandora and Bianca. IDK WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN! 

Did Akasha approve of these women because she knew Marius was completely pussywhipped and would worship them and she wanted to see someone mommydom the fuck out of him and she knew that Armand would never be that person? 🫢

And again I want to say like, taking the author into consideration!! Anne Rice had a HORRIFIC relationship with her mom so you see these themes pop up occasionally in her work. DESPITE ALL OF THAT SHE IS STILL A FEMINIST AND WRITES ABOUT MATRILINEAR FAMILIES like The Great Family or the Mayfairs. But thinking about Mothers in Anne Rice Works makes me think a lot about this like, the damage they can do and the voids they can leave even when you’re a feminist and love women! You see a TON of this with Gabrielle and I always think that Lestat & Marius are such similar characters that you can do a lot of extrapolating or backwards engineering to ask questions about them and how they work, since we get SO MUCH Lestat POV in this series to work with and how we can zoom out sometimes and ask like, what is common across her entire body of work and what is more specifically common between Lestat & Marius and WHAT EVEN MORE INTERESTINGLY is a result that they were both based on her husband in their inceptions. 

Like how much of this has to do with Marius’s actual feelings towards men vs women on purpose, or how much was subconscious author bias, how much was simply that Anne Rice based him on her husband and she was THIRSTY, idk. It’s always hard to say in VC because Anne was such an intuitive and self-indulgent author and the stories are so weird!!! So your mileage may vary!

But I agree with you that these are FASCINATING relationships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I like Marius/Armand too (I recently made a post about how I didn’t “””””ship”””” them but then I spent 2 months working on a M/A fic every day and now I think I’ve corrupted and converted myself LMAO) but yeah like. There’s such a lack of substance between them in the end. He treats Armand like he’s temporary, fucks up and moves on, and it’s such a departure from how DEVOTED he was with all his other partners. 

Wow I didn’t think I had a lot to say, sorry about that. !!! EVERY TIME I BROUGHT A POINT UP I THOUGHT OF 5 MORE POINTS GOSH I COULD TALK ABOUT MARIUS ALL DAY.

[iwtv-az-hours]

Hi, can you maybe explain more about your tags under the armand + malik gifset? What Do you mean when you talk about armands gender and she/her pronouns? I'm in my late 30s and english is not my native language and I have trouble understanding what people mean when they say stuff like that, like lestat beeing she/her coded. And you seem to get it. Hope thats not a bother and thanks!

Hi! So basically I can only speak for myself here, and obviously if anyone else is reading this and has some throughts to add, feel free to.

I myself am nonbinary; genderfluid to be more precise. Also, I don't think I've ever tried to spell out what I'm about to attempt to, so bare with me.

I think this is mainly a thing among queer and genderqueer people, where we have this, almost an ability, to sense that there's something non-cishet happening? It's those fine little details that give you a sense of where someone's gender expression is at, at a certain moment.

It might seem crazy to someone who reads about this for the first time.. And obviously, I'm by no means making any assumption about the actors themselves, I'm saying this purely looking at the moments we see acted onscreen in character. And perhaps a lot of the times there's a level of projecting from our side when we say things like that - but it goes a bit hand in hand, because we simply recognize those traits and behaviours we're familiar with in ourselves and our friends. And the fact that it's the same moments - both for Lestat and Armand - where there's a lot of people noticing it and making those she/her, babygirl, Mother etc. comments individually, separatelly, on their own en masse sensing the same thing... that suggests to me that there's probably something true about all this :P

But yeah, generally speaking, it's difficult to describe what in particular it is that has us going "what I'm looking at is very she-coded (or he-/ they- coded)"... Whether it's something delicate about the movement of a wrist, or a melody in their voice, or the tilt of their head as they smile that you never see in a cis man... Maybe I'm actually touching on something here - maybe it's those small movements you know you almost never see in some people, but very often in others - and we're just more attuned to noticing them and registering them as transcending the usual cis behaviour

I went to put this in tags but maybe it's a good summary: generally speaking it boils down to "this character makes some choices and those choices are not ones you often see made by *insert their generally assumed identity*"

[sapphicslovewillgraham]

I want to see Lestat discover what non-binary and genderfluid/non-conforming are after he rejoins the 21st century and discovers RuPaul’s Drag Race; Followed by him immediately changing all his social media bios to ‘any pronouns’.

[bleachersgirl]

reading the vampire chronicles after having watched btvs many times years ago it becomes very clear that btvs attempted to plagiarize lestat’s mommy issues for spike but they forgot to make spike’s mom crazy and autistic and genderfluid and just made her mean so she really doesn’t have the same impact that gabrielle does.

[irlbkgs]

i love she/her lestat but not as in mtf. lestat is just a girl sometimes. not genderfluid either. not even necessarily trans. literally just likes fem terms and pronouns. i don't wanna trans his gender, i just know he would like being called feminine words. and not in a kink way either. like just in casual conversation, "this is my girlfriend lestat" "isn't she a doll?" "cmere babygirl". i am she, she is me but real.

[canonrpfinder]

hi there! 29 y/o enby looking for 25+ writers to write loustat from amc’s interview with the vampire! i haven’t read the books, my apologies.

i’d like to play a genderfluid lestat against your louis, however you’d like to write him! i’ve got so much muse for the two.

can be canon, can stray from canon, can be completely au. i write on discord, semi-lit to literate as replies that are too long can make me feel anxious. like & i’ll reach out.

✒