#gender critical transsexual

[justdavina]

Oh .... Such a sexy transgender woman! I can't take my eyes off of her! Those amazing boobies are just hypnotizing! All I want to do is hold her and kiss those amazing breasts for hours. And those sexy glasses ...Don't take those off... Sorry, I'm a pig. Please don't hate me....

[butch-reidentified]

fwiw, the males i know with lifelong sex dysphoria don't watch porn & are easily as disgusted by this shit as I am (and active in my group chat where we make fun of it) -- and as I've said many times, are a huge part of why I distanced myself from gender identity ideology in the first place. they were the first ones to point out the total insanity and how much worse it was getting. so, freaks in the notes, sorry for listening to the people with the actual original medical condition AND listening to the pornbrained woman-identifiers and making an informed choice about where I stand. lmao.

what were the signs that you were a trans woman, part I

How did they know?

Maybe a deep sense of solidarity with women? Caring about women's issues? Maybe gender dysphoria?

thats porn. you dressed up as someone you saw in porn. and you got hard.

oh yeah, i would really love to have these people at my lesbian conventions! they all seem so well adjusted!

[dykeiism]

i feel inclined to differentiate between "reasonable rights and accommodations that should be given to trans people" and "blatant attacks on women's rights." i'll go as far as to say that most radical feminists will agree with me on most of these points, so if you want to learn about what radfems actually believe, this is your chance.

reasonable rights and accommodations for trans people:

equal opportunities for employment and housing

access to affordable and high-quality healthcare

transparent, unbiased, and publicly accessible research & meta-analysis done on the short- and long- term risks and benefits of gender affirming care

outlaw all forms of conversion therapy. outlaw gender exploratory therapy unless the patient is able to give informed consent. enforce strict science-based regulations on the therapeutic methods used

freedom of expression (i.e. the ability to dress however you like, and to use a preferred name)

widespread implementation of co-ed and trans-only spaces

legal protection against harassment and assault

these are all things that i, and many other radical feminists, wholeheartedly support. we also believe that trans people, like everyone else, deserve dignity, respect, sensitivity, and kindness from the people around them. what i'm seeing more and more of in recent years, though, is that the trans movement is no longer focusing on the aforementioned human rights. instead, i see an overwhelming about of trans activists making unreasonable demands that infringe on the rights of women. the demands are as follows:

the right to enter women-only spaces based solely on gender identity or expression (this includes shelters, prisons, locker rooms, and sports teams)

the ability to access medical transition as a minor under any circumstances, or as an adult unless other treatments have proven unsuccessful beforehand

widespread use of language that destabilizes women and female people as coherent groups that are also in need of rights

deplatforming anyone who criticizes the movement, no matter how polite, respectful, good-faith, or reasonable the criticisms are

i support the trans movement that advocates for the human rights of trans individuals. however, i cannot support a movement that allows males into women's spaces, that is medically irresponsible, that makes it impossible to discuss women's rights, or that opposes intellectual freedom. i don't think any feminist can support this in good conscience.

[womenvoices]

Dear Trans Women,

You are not a woman. You will never be a woman. You are either born a woman or not. No matter how much you look like a woman, you are not a woman. You make real women uncomfortable. You selfishly put your own feelings over our safety and privacy. You will never be accepted into our community as a woman. We do not want you in our sports, our prisons, our locker rooms, our bathrooms, our shelters, or any of our spaces. You are human, and we respect that. But you are not female humans. Please respect us.

Sincerely,

Real Women

[butch-reidentified]

like I've been talking about lately. I recently pitched the idea to my ts friend of coming up with a new term since he (like many like him) doesn't feel that "transwoman" makes any sense, and has been stolen by TRAs anyway. an entirely new term for people like him could be useful at this point.

and today on "the transgender community is eating itself alive":

transman artist caspar_grey on insta gets attacked by trans womanartist grlofswords for disagreeing with cambridge dictionary's recent conflation of sex and gender and including transwomen in the definition of women

caspar's response is literally the only sane thing ive heard a trans person say lately im so glad some people are still defending sex. it just sucks to see those who do defend it get ate up by hate online-- especially from trans people??? imagine being a fully grown adult yelling at someone to detransition for disagreeing with you lmfao... and i thought radfems were supposedly the ones doing that

[marblecakemix]

How can some women look at a 6-foot-tall man in a miniskirt in public and say he's a woman without missing a bit? There's nothing women about that pervert.

[whereserpentswalk]

Interacting with terfs has convinced me that gendered restrooms are themselves a bad idea. Like, for the same reason why you can't have racially segregated bathrooms and changing rooms because it's inherently racist, you shouldn't be allowed to have gender segregated bathrooms and changing rooms because it's inherently cissexist.

[dykeulous]

thinking a transmed is about to actually talk about how debilitating & painful dysphoria as a condition is for once, just for them to hit you with the, “you’re not actually trans because you see yourself as female and because your dysphoria has nothing to do with superficial gender roles”. sigh

[she-is-ovarit]

Written by Dr. Anne Lawrence, a researcher and moderately self-aware AGP transwoman himself.

Shame and Narcisssistic Rage in Autogynephilic Transsexualism

[burningtheroots]

This is probably something that you haven't heard before, but honestly, terfs don't support gender nonconformity as much as the trans community does. There's only so much you can stray from. For example, I've noticed that the main type of dysphoric woman that terfs support are almost always buff and athletic or the ones with bad cases of baby face. Not to mention how uneasy some are when they can't tell the difference between a gnc man and cis woman. As someone who's afab, the trans community has helped me a lot more than what I've seen from terfs.

I can‘t judge your experiences, but I can assure you that there are many misconceptions about (gender critical) radfems, especially since the term "TERF" gets thrown around from all sides and basically lost its meaning. People either label anyone who disagrees with their ideology as a TERF or you‘ll also meet many people who call themselves TERFs although they never spent a single day reading & learning about actual radical and gender critical feminism.

As someone who actually did their research and is mutuals with actual radfems who did their research as well, I can gurantee you that we are completely pro gender-nonconformity. We want to abolish these stereotypes altogether, and of course we don’t approve it when someone says "xy is a feminine/masculine thing" or "xy makes me feminine/masculine".

We want it to be neutral, and we also want people to realize that many byproducts of gender roles are patriarchal and therefore shouldn’t be glorified (we don’t tell you not to enjoy make-up, for example, we just tell you that it‘s NOT feminist, regardless of your sex, though this is a different topic).

The problem with transgenderism is that these people adapt stereotypes associated with their opposite sex and think that makes them a member of the opposite sex. It doesn’t. Wear a dress or whatever, that in itself is fine, but when you‘re male, don‘t pretend otherwise. Yet most "transwomen" adapt stereotypical womanhood and think being stereotypically feminine = being a woman.

If all of those people simply lived their lives expressing themselves however they like without trying to erase the reality & importance of sex, especially when it comes to law (why should a metaphysical concept outweigh a biological reality when this biological reality is the reason women are oppressed & need single-sex spaces, for example?), we wouldn’t have a problem.

"Transwomen" are GNC men. I approve of being GNC. But trying to be recognized as an adult human female is NOT their right, especially when it results in "I fulfill xy stereotype so I‘m a woman".

[hjellacott]

Thank you, Emily!

[redditreceipts]

"I think it is okay to be a lesbian but you shouldn't talk about it, because it makes me, a man, sad. Also, when they get harassed after turning down a trans woman, it was probably their fault anyways because they were being transphobic (in that situation only the transwoman could see it but it was definitely there)."

"Also, instead of us adjusting our behaviour to not harass people, they should stop talking about how we're harassing them. As anyone knows, if a man harasses a woman and she then talks about it and the man gets a bad reputation, it is the woman's fault because she could have just shut up. And I wonder why these posts always get so much attention and lesbians are so adamant about not wanting to date men? It's really kinda weird that they talk about it so much about how they're harassed by straight men who think they're lesbians🧐 as if this happens to a lot of lesbians🧐🧐 and they also get a lot of comments from other lesbians 🧐🧐🧐 Must be that they're too sensitive"

"if anyone does not want to have sex with me, that's actually a sign that they hate me and are transphobic"

"yes, exactly. a man who does not want to suck dick is also homophobic. also, have you ever thought about just not having sex ever again??? so you could be with someone you are not attracted to? so you don't hurt the feelings of straight men (the most oppressed group in the world"

[d-parade]

“Gender” quizzes

I took some lately after seeing a fucked up post about someone using those as “proof” they might be “transgender” or whatever.

One of the most alarming things I immediately noticed is how they focused on not being “traditional” and using stereotypes to determine your “gender”.

And there’s some which aren’t even tests. Why is this bad? This is confirmation bias. Just asking whether one “feels” this or that isn’t self reflective since it’s possible for people to think that they feel this way due to influence. And it’s so easy to just press yes/ no and have the test spit out: You’re trans!!! Congrats!!!

What does “feel” even feel like without dysphoria if it isn’t just the gravitation towards certain gender roles?

Not only that, a lot of questions are all just stereotypical characteristics which hence makes it understandable why people feel frustration when they do not align with said characteristics. But it’s not being trans, that’s not how it works.

None of these tests actually asked you to question why you would want to change genders, which is IMO the most damn crucial thing of it all.

Heck, one test even legit said that gender = personality I wish I was kidding.

Gender quizzes are a key insight to the ideology of Transgenderism nowadays. And while people say I’m pulling shit out of my ass” and attacking “things that don’t exist”, this is literal proof.

[marblecakemix]

I saw a man ask a great question on the internet. He asked trans people "would you still be trans on the deserted island?" on the basis of that gender is a performative act you put up for others to let them know what sex you are. I think it's a great question, I personally know the answer to that and was not interested in listening till the end of his video. The interesting part is what followed after that, "I'm not a TERF, transphobe, guys! Just curious."

It honestly shows how much the trans community will hate and ostracize you if you ask really simple and not even invasive question that might just sound to them a little provocative. TRAs say the community is so open to everyone, but the moment someone just questions their idea/beliefs, that person better clarify that they're an ally and trans women are women, because otherwise they are a disgusting transphobe and a TERF!!1!!!1! (even if that person is a man I guess???).

It's not transphobic to ask "controversial" questions. It's not transphobic to point out that trans people will never be the opposite sex. It's not transphobic to say that transness is a fallout of strict gender roles, sex based oppression and failed mental health institutions.

[hestiasroom]

https://www.nytimes.com/1979/06/10/archives/male-and-female-created-he-them-transexual.html

Male and Female Created He Them

by Thomas Szasz

IN the old days, when I was a medical student, if a man wanted to have his penis amputated, my psychology professors said that he suffered from schizophrenia, locked him up in an asylum and threw away the key. Now that I am a professor. my colleagues in psychiatry say that he is a “transsexual,” my colleagues in urology refashion his penis into a perineal cavity they call a vagina, and Time magazine puts him on its cover and calls him “her.” Anyone who doubts that this is progress is considered to be ignorant of the discoveries of modern psychiatric sexology, and a political reactionary, a sexual bigot, or something equally unflattering.

Like much of the medical‐psychiatric mendacity characteristic of our day, the official definition “transsexualism” as a disease comes down to the strategic abuse of language — epitomized by confusing and equating biological phenomena with social roles (in the present case, chromosomal sexual identity with acting as a man or a woman). Although there are connections between these concepts and facts, neither one “causes'.’ or “determines” the other.

Because “transsexualism” involves, is indeed virtually synonymous with, extensive surgical alterations of the “normal” human body, we might ask what would happen, say, to a man who went to an orthopedic surgeon, told him that he felt like a right‐handed person trapped in an ambidextrous body and asked the doctor to cut off his perfectly healthy left arm? What would happen to a man who went to a urologist, told him that he felt like a Christian trapped in a Jewish body, and asked him to re‐cover the glans of his penis with foreskin? (Such an operation may be alluded to in I Corinthians, 7:17‐18.) “But,” the medically informed reader might object, “isn't transsexualism a disease? Isn't it — in the grandly deceptive phrase of the American psychiatric establishment used to characterize all ‘mental diseases’ — ‘just like any other illness'?” No, it is not. The transsexual male is indistinguishable from other males, save by his desire to be a woman. ("He is a woman trapped in a man's body” is the standard rhetorical form of this claim.) If such a desire qualifies as a disease, transforming the desiring agent into a “transsexual,” then the old person who wants to be young is a “transchronological,” the poor person who wants to be rich is a “transeconomical,” and so on. Such hypothetical claims and the requests for “therapy” based on them (together with our cognitive and medical responses to them) frame, in my opinion, the proper background against which our contemporary beliefs and practices concerning “transsexualism” and transsexual “therapy” ought to be viewed.

Clearly, not all desires are authenticated in our society as diseases. Why the desire for a change in sex roles is so authenticated is analyzed with great sensitivity and skill by Janice Raymond in “The Transsexual Empire.” Arguing that “medicine and psychology ... function as secular religions in the area of transsexualism,” she demonstrates that this “condition” is now accepted as a disease because advances in the technology of sex‐conversion surgery have made certain alterations in the human genitals possible and because such operations reiterate and reinforce traditional patriarchal sex‐role expectations and stereotypes. Ostensibly, the “transsexers” (from psychologists to urologists) are curing a disease; actually, they engage in the religious and political shaping and controling of “masculine” and “feminine” behavior. Miss Raymond's development and documentation of this thesis is flawless. Her book Is an important achievement.

The claim that males can be transformed, by means of hormones and surgery, into females, and vice versa, is, of course, a lie. ("She‐males” are fabricated in much greater numbers than “he‐females.") Chromosomal sex is fixed. And so are one's historical experiences of growing up and living as boy or girl, man or woman. What, then, can be achieved by means of “transsexual therapy"? The language in which the reply is framed is crucial — and can never be neutral. The transsexual propagandists claim to transform “women trapped in men's bodies” into “real” women and want then to be accepted socially as females (say, in professional tennis). Critics of transsexualism contend that such a person is a “male‐to‐constructed‐female” (Miss Raymond's term), or a fake female, or a castrated male transvestite who wears not only feminine clothing but also feminine‐looking body parts. Miss Raymond quotes a Casablanca surgeon, who has operated on more than 700 American men, characterizing the transsexual transformation as follows: “I don't change men into women. I transform male genitals into genitals that have a female aspect. All the rest is in the patient's mind ".

Not quite. Some of the rest is in society's “mind.” For the fact is that Renee Richards was endorsed by Billie Jean King as a real woman and was accepted by the authorities monitoring women's professional tennis as a “real woman.” This authentication of a “constructed female” as a real female stands in dramatic contrast to the standard rules of Olympic competition in which the contestants’ bodily contours count for nothing, their sexual identity being based solely on their chromosomal makeup.

Miss Raymond has rightly seized on transsexualism as an emblem of modern society's unremitting — though increasingly concealed — antifeminism. And she correctly emphasizes that “the terminology of transsexualism disguises the reality ... that transsexuals ‘prove’ they are transsexuals by conforming to the canons of the medical‐psychiatric institution that evaluates them on the basis of their being able to pass as stereotypically masculine or feminine, and that ultimately grants surgery on this basis.” The “transsexual empire” is thus a Trojan horse in the battle between the sexes, helping men to seduce unsuspecting women, or women who ought to know better, to join forces with their oppressors.

Still, why should anyone (especially feminist women) object to men wanting to become women? Isn't imitation the highest form of flattery? Precisely herein lies the “liberal” sexologists’ betrayal of human dignity and integrity: They support the (male) transsexual's claim that he wants to be a woman — when, in fact, what he wants is to be a caricature of the male definition of “femininity.” What makes transsexual surgery a male‐supremacist obscenity is the fact that transsexing surgeons do not perform the operation on all clients (just for the money) but insist that the client prove that he can “pass” as a woman. That is as if Catholic priests were willing to convert only those Jews who could prove their Christianity by socially appropriate acts of antiSemitism. Janice Raymond's analysis is bitterly correct. The very existence of the “transsexual empire” is evidence of the persistence of our deep‐seated religious and cultural preju‐dices against woman.

The war between the sexes is a part of our, human heritage. It's no use denying It. If that war ever ends, it will be not because of a phony armistice arranged by doctors, but because men, women and children will place personal dignity before social sex‐role identity.

[radmalenia]

It is both a delusional and a fascist movement, and that is an incredibly dangerous combination. For them to put their feelings so far above logic and reality is already profoundly concerning by itself; and as seen here it causes genuine harm and both the censorship of truth and of other people's speech and opinions (which is fascist.) Anything that isn't constant validation of their fantasy and their beliefs is some form of "threat" or "bigotry". It is indeed, as Olivia said; incredibly toxic, close-minded, and unhealthy.

The lack of accountability they took for their own actions is also highly immature. The way they treated this young woman Amy for doing what they fucking asked is pathetic of them and they should be ashamed. The point about how they could have doxxed her and tried to harm her actual life if she didn't do and say what they wanted...that's another part of their authoritarianism. It's a very real threat because they have done that shit to other people before...going after the person's employment and family and harassing them where they live; just because the person said things they disagreed with. Literal fascism.

In case you needed any more evidence that the trans rights activist movement is insane, maybe this failed ‘Interview with a TERF’ will do it for you. It tells young people that they never need to have difficult discussions that might make them uncomfortable – they can just complain of their feelings being hurt & have any further conversation censored. Note especially how a few commenters even said Olivia was expressing interesting, good talking points, but that simply didn’t matter because they didn’t want to hear or engage with it. They voted for this, it was clearly signposted in case they didn’t want to read it: some say they even felt bad for reading it & shouldn’t have, but rather than taking responsibility for their action of choosing to read it, they instead say it’s a reason it shouldn’t be up in the first place. Truly a toxic, close-minded movement.

I can post the interview if anybody wants, but I’ve linked to the original thread if you want to read it there.