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Miraculous Ladybug - Miraculous Menaces AU: Masks
Miraculous Menaces AU

Chapter Summary:
Adrien contemplates the difference between Gabriel Agreste and Hawkmoth, while Gabriel and Nathalie have an awkward conversation about Adrien's new extracurricular activities.
A collection of vignettes covering an AU where Chat becomes Hawkmoth's partner in crime. At first, Adrien thought that the day he found out that his father was the supervillain terrorizing the people of Paris was the worst day of his life, but in retrospect, it might have been the one change needed to save his family. Because it was also the day that both of them realized that, when they don't need to be Adrien and Gabriel Agreste, they're both fucking goobers. Follow the adventures of Hawkmoth, Chat Noir, and their reluctant assistant who doesn't get paid enough, Nathalie, as they try to navigate life as a supervillain family. And pray for Ladybug's sanity as she suffers their antics.
#fanfiction#miraculous ladybug#miraculous ladybug fanfiction#adrien agreste#archive of our own#marinette dupain cheng#gabriel agreste#adrienette#adrien needs a hug#miraculousmenacesau#miraculoustalesofladybugandcatnoir#miraculous au#gabenath#nooroo#Gabriel is blind#She's just an assistant#light angst#angst with a happy ending#bad parent gabriel agreste#gabriel isn't good at conversation#good parent Hawkmoth
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What if conversations and arguments with God almost never utilize words?
Like, God and the archangels and all primordial entities look human with the CW's budget, but if they are in fact abstracts without form that obliterate lesser minds that try to comprehend them, then Lucifer probably didn't refuse to love humanity in King's English.
It's also notable to me that not just Heaven, but patriarchal figures in general communicate through wordless visions in Supernatural. (Which fits with the motif of 'Your absent father believes he is communicating to you perfectly because he is talking to your shoulder and not looking at your face.') Zachariah (subordinate of Michael who is God's firstborn, mind) builds his little AU worlds to argue with Dean and Sam, Naomi makes Castiel kill a thousand Deans, but the Alpha Vampire also sends his children hallucinations and Azazel also, in a way, is giving Sam visions.
If you're talking to an embodiment of creation, you're probably talking to some complex representation of creation itself and what better way is that than a full and complete and false reality? Gabriel cosplays as a lesser god and becomes a Trickster, warping reality to communicate to humans their failings. Lucifer, fresh from the cage, does the same to Nick before speaking to him, sending Nick visions of his tragic loss before referencing it in conversation. Lucifer also makes the demons dream for the first time, according to Meg. The prophets who are able to interpret the words of God and hear his voice, are plagued by visions - Fucking Chuck described his visions as seeing things go down but not getting the full context or just very badly describing it, as seen with Dean and the tarp in the back window being "black wings" and how Chuck saw Lilith and Sam and assumed they'd be fucking shortly.
So. Maybe Archangels, the original four angels to witness God, have to get used to their understanding of reality morphing and sliding to fit God's intentions when they talk. They Probably have or develop a way to know when they're experiencing Real Reality and Dad Reality, and it doesn't fuck them up. Probably.
Or maybe when God abandoned humans long enough for the field of psychology to open up and the unethical 60's happened, He got to find out that He's the gaslighter of all time and it might've driven the kids insane. (What if God talked to Lucifer, His favorite, the most?)
(This also makes the interpretation of the cage being dragged through every single possibility and consequence of your actions per 'I Love Lucy' by Grin into the Dad Yelling At You Box, and boy, Meg would be right that souls freshly pinned to the rack would forget who they were if God was gaslighting his son on a cosmic scale in the basement.)
#lucifer spn#Am I good at meta? No but I don't have to be good to post here. It's tumblr. There's no licensing board you can complain to.#Yes this does mean that Lucifer could've walked into Elysian Fields - a gathering of *gods* - and when faced with his brother#His younger and incorrect brother with a blade in his hand he might have thought this was another conversation a quick chat he's owed#Lucifer is going by the plan but this isn't the plan but Is It Now? Is It Real? And Gabriel is espousing the virtues of the humans then#Then they're fighting and Lucifer gets the edge. He taught his brother everything.#This is how you show God you're committed - with a blade in hand and a sacrifice screaming below it. This is how the argument goes.#But. It doesn't end. It's reality as God left it.#Lucifer asked Gabriel to not make him do it. Was he really asking Him?
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ABSOLUTELY DELICIOUS S2 BTS VIDEO! :)❤ 🐍😊
David: Good Omens 2 will be once more unto the breach...
Michael: The kind of world that Neil and Terry Pratchett created here. It's... it seems to be expanding out into the world in all kinds of unexpected and and truly joyful ways.
Douglas Mackinnon (the directior): If Season one was a comedy about the End of the World, Season Two is a comedy about the beginning of everything else.
Miranda Richardson (demon Shax): The Bromance is continuing.
Doon Mackichan (Archangel Michael): What a cast, is all I can say, incredible, incredible cast.
Liz Carr (angel Saraqael): But of course a script of Good Omens is a whole different thing because anything can happen.
Shelley Con (Prince of Hell Beelzebub): There's always a smirk somewhere around the corner in a Good Omens script.
Quelin Sepulveda (angel Muriel): I had no idea what to expect, where this character was gonna go...
Liz: I feel quite honored that when they were thinking of the realms of sarcasm they thought of me.
Gloria Obianyo (angel Uriel): Seven-year-old me is like, 'Oh my God! This is the stuff of dreams!'
Maggie Service (human Maggie): A whole Fantastical Universe of joy that we just get to playing and you'll get to watch.
Tim Downie (Mr Brown): I am immeasurably, immeasurably excited.
Jon Hamm (Archangel Gabriel / Jim): You know I was very pleased when when I was brought back to be a part of that story.
Neil Gaiman: Ppeople are excited and I'm working so hard to tell them absolutely nothing. I'm very lucky because Michael Sheen and David Tennant love Crowley and Aziraphale. I think the first moment that I saw David and Michael acting together... all of a sudden there was Crowley and there was Aziraphale, it was like seeing two friends who I hadn't seen for years.
David: There's something about the way Neil sees the mundane that is extraordinary and there's something about the way things filter through his imagination and of course in this world it also sprinkled with the imagination of Terry Pratchett and those two together created this cocktail that is it's unlike anything you've seen anywhere else and yet it feels utterly familiar.
Michael: And they both have a sense of the absurdity of what it is to be a human.
Rob Wilkins: When you've got David and Michael in front of the camera David and Michael evaporate and you have Crowley in Aziraphale and that relationship it needed it needed interrogating more and of course we all know that Terry and Neil had conversations about what the sequel would be and Neil has taken that and he's blown it up in a way that the viewers are just going to love so what would Terry think? Terry would pat Neil on the back and he would push Good Omens forward, he would break a bottle of champagne over its bows and be absolutely delighted and I know that, I'm the one person on Earth who's been entrusted to know that for certain and I promise you Terry would be absolutely delighted.
David: We've got some cast members coming back, returning but playing different parts which is a lovely little addition to things isn't it, so Miranda Richardson is back not playing the same role as Season One, she's now Shax, my replacement - Crowley's replacement on Earth.
Neil: Shelley Conn came in as Beelzebub and it feels in a weird way kind of like a Doctor Who Regeneration. We have a new demon called Furfur played by Rheece Shearsmith who was our Shakespeare in Season One.
David: Nina and Maggie were two of the Sisters in Season One, The nunnery of Doom, and now they are two characters imaginatively called Nina and Maggie.
Maggie: In season one really it was just me and the nuns, it was the nun gang, so to actually get to meet Aziraphale and Crowley... I hadn't been prepared for how delightful Aziraphale is.
Neil: Season Two begins about threem four years after the events of Season One.
Michael: Aziraphale and Crowley now are, you know, out on their own, they're.. they're a team to themselves.
Neil: Everything changes when Aziraphale gets an unexpected visitor.
Michael: A familiar face comes along with a mystery that needs solving and as Aziraphale and Crowley attempt to solve that mystery they realize that there are much more terrifying things ahead than they've had to deal with in the past. That involves having to go back through history as well to get clues as to what might be going on.
David: When we go back into these stories set within Aziraphale and Crowley's personal history there are moments within those stories where where their relationships sort of pivots or develops in some way. Himself and Aziraphale I think rely on each other even more in season two than they did in Season One because they are by necessity and by circumstance they're a they're a double act that nobody else can join.
Michael: It's extraordinary to see how important these characters and this story have become to a lot of people and how much people enjoy expressing themselves through art, through fan fiction.
David: I went to a Comic-Con and the amount of Crowleys and Aziraphales that I saw everywhere, the cosplaying just took off, and always in twos, which was joyous because of course the characters in my mind only exist in relation to each other. They are the Ying and the Yang.
Michael: It's such a... I think it's such a compliment and I think Neil feels the same way as well.
Maggie: Always clever Neil Gaiman, isn't he?
Nina: Yeah yeah, you'd have to sort of admit that at some point, yeah-
Maggie: He's quite good at his job.
#good omens#gos2#season 2#interview#david tennant#michael sheen#david interview#michael interview#david and michael#michael and david#ac#neil gaiman#videos#video interview#bts#bts video#neil interview#YASSS#douglas mackinnon#douglas interview#maggie service#maggie interview#nina sosanya#nina interview#photos#bts photos#rob wilkins#rob interview#shelley con#beelzebub
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Something we didn't notice (part 2)
part 1
Overall, the meta is based on close observation of Aziraphale (for the most part) and Crowley. Without speculation or trying to guess what we haven't been shown (well, almost).
The Metatron makes it clear that he is watching Aziraphale delivering the "good news". Aziraphale looks back at him.
The first thing I'd like to explain. The Metatron is talking to Muriel, and then he stares at the window of the bookshop duplicating that gaze toward Crowley. The frame changes and we see Aziraphale looking out the same window, just for a second, but he will do it repeatedly.
As Crowley starts his monologue, Aziraphale tries to stop him by gesturing for him not to say too much, while looking out the window himself. Aziraphale continues to turn to the window with every meaningful attempt to speak.
Let's also note that Aziraphale doesn't usually behave in a similar way in conversations with Crowley. Yes, Aziraphale is characterised by active gesticulation, but the constant pauses, averting his eyes from the interlocutor, nervous and jerky movements - these are messengers that angel is holding something back, hiding or simply doesn't want to tell. Most often we see this Aziraphale in conversations with the leadership - God and Archangels.
https://commonmexicanname.tumblr.com/post/734305363759890432/good-omens-thoughts
Here's a prime example, comparing his interaction with Archangels when he's caught off guard and frantically trying to figure out how to get out of the situation.
I don't think Aziraphale is just lying to Crowley here, no. He just has an audience beyond Crowley. He tries to tell everything, knowing he has more than one viewer.
When Aziraphale mentions the Metatron, he is not just hinting, he points his index fingers - one at the window, another at Heaven, and then in a distinctly active quick motion once more at the WINDOW.
And again - turns his face to the window at the words about Gabriel failing, and then tilts his head towards the transparent panes of the bookshop.
The conversation with the Metatron is important, among other things, to assess Aziraphale's behaviour when Crowley is mentioned by his superiors. At the words about their partnership Aziraphale looks frightened: his facial muscles are tense, his forehead and eyebrows are furrowed, and there is a terror in his eyes.
When the God's spokesman concludes his really suspicious speech, Aziraphale swallows nervously and averts his eyes. He certainly doesn't look like someone who's been offered the fulfilment of his cherished dream. And not like someone who believes it.
Aziraphale looks like someone who has just found out what an enormous amount of incriminating information is in his opponent's possession.
"Tell me you said no. Tell me you said NO." Crowley is definitely shocked and horrified, he thinks the best of his angel. He can't believe what's going on (and he isn't supposed to).
Aziraphale turns his head towards the window again as an answer.
He actually said:
And
We see him right before he walks into the bookshop, he never says yes to the Metatron.
Aziraphale utters his most delusional words while looking out the window. Of course, they're not meant for Crowley. Aziraphale hasn't believed it for a long time, Crowley even more so.
And then Crowley says "Oh, God", without correcting himself afterwards, because this demon can only hope in God here.
For a second Aziraphale has a look of hope on his face that Crowley has realised what he's getting at. Then Aziraphale realises that Crowley is trying to confess. He's waited for so long not to realise. He was about to confess too.
Aziraphale already knows everything Crowley is about to tell him, but more importantly, literally everyone already knows it. It's impossible to stay and start pretending again that there's nothing between them.
Aziraphale has a completely blank stare past Crowley, and then he looks out the window. Again.
And then the most interesting thing happens. Crowley starts his line "And I would like to spend…" But he turns his head and finally looks out the window, where Aziraphale has been pointing so hard since the beginning of their conversation.
Maybe that's the reason Crowley doesn't complete the sentence. And he begins to pick up different words. Maybe not, maybe the sun from the outside is preventing him from seeing the Metatron.
In the final part of their conversation, when they move closer to the bookshop's door, Aziraphale looks towards the window again.
After "no nightingales" line he turns away to hide his feelings and pain.
The cherry on the cake is the kiss, Aziraphale is falling into the abyss. He averts his eyes trying to figure out if the Metatron could have seen what just happened.
When Crowley leaves, Aziraphale thinks he's lost him. But then, even when the Metatron walks in and says devaluing words about Crowley, Aziraphale can't tear himself away from the window, because now he can see Crowley there. Maybe not everything is lost.
Aziraphale retreats back to the clock - to the very spot where Crowley was standing a few minutes ago. He looks out the window at Crowley, as if to say, "I stand where you stood, you stand where the Metatron stood."
#aziraphale#crowley#good omens#good omens meta#ineffable husbands#final fifteen#good ineffable omens#good omens 2#good omens analysis#good omens parallels#ineffable divorce#ineffable spouses#the final fifteen#the metatron#good omens finale#good omens theories#good omens thoughts#good omens theory#good omens clues
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When did people learn that Emilie was sick?
Since season one, we've known that Gabriel's motivation was his wife Emilie. As the show goes on, we learn that Emilie was sick because she used the peacock miraculous, not knowing that it would give her a terminal illness. This raises some pretty obvious questions:
When did Emilie realize that she was sick?
When did Gabriel figure out that she was sick?
How did they figure out that the peacock did it?
When did they realized that the illness was terminal?
I doubt we'll ever get answers to those last two questions, but I thought we knew a rough answer to the first two. Then Werepapas aired and retconed the established timeline, making the progression of Emilie's illness impossible to follow.
Allow me to explain!
Pre Season Six Timeline
Prior to Werepapas, my impression was always that Gabriel, Adrien, and Emilie had a happy life when Adrien was young. Then, at some point, Emilie started showing symptoms of a mysterious illness and everything went south. This impression came from lines like this one in the season three episode Feast:
Adrien: My mom used to have dizzy spells, just like Nathalie. My father said those weren't serious either.
Adrien says this after Nathalie has a dizzy spell around him and it implies that there was a time when Adrien didn't know that his mother was seriously ill. It also implies that he remembers her starting to show symptoms of her illness. After all, dizzy spells are the first sign of the illness. If Emilie had dizzy spells from the time Adrien was born, then he probably wouldn't remember asking if the dizzy spells were a problem. He may not even associate them with his mother's illness. And if he already knew his mom was seriously ill, then there would be no point in lying to him about the dizzy spells.
The season five final actually straight up confirmed this timeline by having Gabriel say that's what happened:
Gabriel: I still remember her smile the day Adrien was born. When I placed him in her arms, for so long, we've been thinking that we would never be able to have a child. Adrien was our little miracle. (voice breaks) Everything was so... perfect, until Emilie became ill.
As he's saying this, memories of those good times flash by. One of those memories sees a young Adrien blowing out five candles on a birthday cake (see below image) pretty clearly establishing Adrien's age unless France doesn't do candles based on age. I tried to find an answer to that, but came up empty.
Assuming candles do in fact equal age, then we're explicitly told that Adrien was at least five before Gabriel knew that Emilie was sick because these are memories of the perfect times that ended when they realized that Emilie was sick. Even if we ignore the number of candles, Adrien is clearly old enough to blow out said candles on his own without needing multiple breaths which I can tell you from experiences doesn't happen until a kid is at least four.

Now let's get into how Werepapas retcons all of that.
Werepapas Flashback One Problems
The first Werepapas flashback shows a young Adrien asking if his father loves him because Gabriel is never around. Emilie reassures Adrien that Gabriel's absence isn't due to a lack of love. Gabriel and Nathalie are only gone because they're looking for a cure to her illness, promising, "One day he'll find [the cure] and I'll get better. Then we'll all stay home together."
As you can see in the following clip, this conversation happened when Adrien was pretty young. He can't be much older than five here:
So, based on this flashback, Adrien basically always knew that his mother was sick and Gabriel was off looking for cures long before Adrien was whatever age he was here. This contradicts the things that were implied in earlier seasons and everything we were straight up told in the season five final.
The only way to make the season five final and Werepapas vaguely fit together is if Emilie rapidly deteriorated out of nowhere shortly after Adrien's fifth birthday but that doesn't match the way Nathalie's condition progressed when she got sick. It was very clearly a steady decline and Nathalie used the peacock multiple times! Emilie's decline should have been just as steady and probably much slower. Gabriel would obviously have been worried during those early stages, but he wouldn't have known that the illness was terminal. Emilie was the first one to catch it and the first to die!
If he did know it was terminal, then how? And if he didn't know that it was terminal, then why did he immediately jump to never being home? That seems like a massive observation. He shouldn't be that desperate untill death is on the line.
There's also the fact that Gabriel wouldn't have started looking for a magical cure until they knew that Emilie had a magical illness and I'm still totally lost on how the hell they figured that out if there were years between her peacock use and her getting sick. They clearly didn't know that the peacock was deadly when she used it and it's pretty insane to go straight from happy family to playing Indian Jones. Shouldn't there be a medical step in the middle that would probably take a year or two? Did Colt contact them and tell them he was sick, letting them realize the source of the problem? And why wasn't Colt involved in finding the cure? He was supposedly a wealthy warmonger with an army of fighters! He'd have resources a fashion mogul wouldn't! Same goes for Kagami's family as I'm assuming someone died to make Kagami, too. Nothing about this backstory/timeline adds up to me.
And if Emilie was ill enough that Gabriel was always off looking for a cure by the time Adrien was around five, then how did she survive for so long after that? And why does Adrien remember her having dizzy spells as her only symptom? CPTSD leading him to form memories at an unusually early age?
This "fix" of Emilie rapidly deteriorating also doesn't fit young Adrien's claim that his father was never around because, if the season five final was accurate, then Gabriel being gone would be new behavior for young Adrien. After all, Gabriel could only start looking for the cure once he knew one was needed which would come after the good times ended and we are explicitly told that the good times lasted for several years.
Flashback Two: Even More Nonsense
The second Werepapas flashback shows a significantly older Adrien greeting Nathalie and Gabriel as they return from yet another mission, letting us know that Gabriel continued to be an absent parent for all of Adrien's childhood. This also makes no sense!
I've often assumed that Gabriel looked for a cure, so I'm not saying that's a bad addition. It fits his character. The problem is the implication that he was always off physically looking for a cure.
Why is that a problem?
Because Gabriel was an incredibly successful, self-made fashion designer who founded his own company after meeting Emilie. How the hell did Gabriel pull off that career path if he was off playing Indiana Jones for all of Adrien's childhood? Fashion houses don't becomes successful overnight! Gabriel the brand would have still been quite young when Adrien was born and fashion designers are incredibly busy people, especially when they're establishing their brand! There's no way the company would have survived if Gabriel and Nathalie weren't around to run the damn thing!
And remember that the search for Emilie's cure came after the search for the peacock to make Adrien meaning that this isn't Gabriel's first time spending years playing Indiana Jones. I assumed the fashion house came after that. Now I just don't believe that the fashion house even exists. When was he supposed to establish it? These things take time!
The only way this would have worked is if Gabriel was the source of the funds, but he made someone else head designer and also handed off CEO responsibilities to a third party. That's clearly not the backstory canon is going with so this just reads as total BS. I can buy Gabriel slacking off for a year or two after the company was well established, but 10+ years while the company was still young? Not happening.
That's not even getting into the issue of what the hell Nathalie and Gabriel were even looking for. Archaeologists don't just run off into the wild hoping they'll find something! They do a ton of research to know where to look and then go looking.
One of the big reasons why I was fine with the idea of Gabriel looking for a cure is that looking for a cure doesn't mean never being home. It means dedicating all your free time to research and occasionally going off to track down a promising lead. You don't actually spend all your time in the field!
Some Final Thoughts
The writers really need to make up their minds on this shit. This is not how you write good characters or lore and I didn't even touch on the whole disappearance vs death BS. The early seasons explicitly said that Emilie disappeared:
Nadja: This was Gabriel Agreste's first public appearance since his wife disappeared. This fashion week is full of surprises and shockers.
And gave an incredibly strong impression that no one had a clue what happened to her which is yet another reason I wasn't sure if Adrien ever knew that his mom was sick! Seeing her in a wheelchair in that flashback was jarring! You're telling me her illness progressed to it's final stages? Really? Really? Look at Emilie in her coffin and Nathalie in the season five final and tell me they have the same illness in the same stage. Just look at these transformations:
[Image description: Nathalie in Origins vs Nathalie in the season five final. Her hair has gone white, her lips have lost color, and her eyes have dark circles.]
[Image description: Amelie who never used the peacock vs Emilie in her coffin. The two women are identical. Same hair color, same lips, no signs of illness.]
Fun fact, I read this post to my partner after I was done writing it and when I got to the line about the wheelchair he had the same "wait what?" reaction I did so I can confirm that even a casual fan was under the impression that Emilie's illness was some subtle thing that no one knew about. I once again have no idea how a little kid is supposed to make sense of this crap. I pity those who have to deal with kids who are obsessed with the show, but also want to understand what's happening because I have no idea how I'd explain this shit outside of baby's first lesson on the existence of bad writing. Not an easy lesson for most five-year-olds to wrap their heads around.
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david as a dad headcanons (+angel) !!
david and angel have twins (older twin is a girl and younger twin is a boy) and a daughter five years apart
Dad David who, right when he found out they were having a boy, knew he wanted to name him Gabriel (he can't bring himself to call him Gabe most days, but the girls and other pack kids will)
Dad David who bawled like a baby when each of his kids were born
Parents Angel and David who are the best at responsive parenting. They have not and will not ever yell at their children especially not for something as minuscule as dropping a cup
Parent Angel who has to be the disciplinary parent because David literally can’t sometimes. Uses the "they're just kids" excuse all the time (the kids know this and use it get out of trouble when Angel isn't around)
Dad David who has a huge fear of being too harsh for his kids and making them feel unloved or afraid of him
Also Dad David who calls his kids 'angel dust' and 'baby wolf' on the regular
Dad David ‘workaholic’ Shaw taking a whole week off of work because his eldest had separation anxiety from starting school
Parents Angel and David who vowed to never let their kids hear or see them fight (they see the disagreements and banter but never the ones that get a little more hostile)
Dad David who never made any of his kids feel pressure to be the next Alpha after him (it ends up being his youngest daughter)
Dad David who wakes up at the ass crack of dawn to pack each kid's lunch box to be perfect every single day (with the cutely shaped vegetables and fruits and animal picks)
Dad David who also writes a short personalized note to put in their lunch boxes everyday
Dad David who lets his youngest daughter follow him around all day, even to the bathroom (secretly dreads the day when she's a teenager and never wants to be around him anymore)
Parent Angel who cries when the girls find their old dance videos and try to recreate it (they butchered the whole choreography but they looked adorable)
Dad David who forces himself to talk more and give his kids the reassurance they need even if he thinks he's saying the wrong thing (Angel is always there to back him up)
Dad David who, when his kids are trying new food, holds his hand out for them to spit out what they don't like
Dad David who cries when he helps his kids shift for the first time
Dad David who holds his kids the entire time they're sick no matter what Angel says
Dad David who takes his kids to visit the grave of his own parents and tells them about how he grew up (laughs through the tears when his eldest daughter tells him not to die)
Parent Angel who doesn’t let anyone kiss their kids on the mouth or change their diapers/pull-ups
Dad David who has full-blown conversations with the baby babbles
Dad David who sees the slightest injury on one of his kids and goes full doctor mode
Dad David who tells the story of how he proposed to and married his mate to his children over and over
Dad David who watches with the widest smile on face whenever Angel reads to or plays with their kids
Parents Angel and David who call their youngest daughter crybaby
Angel who also calls their youngest 'sushi' because she loves sushi
Dad David who begrudgingly allows the other pack kids to call him Davey when they hear it from Angel (children are surprisingly persistent he finds)
Dad David who has picky kids and has mastered all of their safe foods
Dad David who is the type to stay up all night to finish his kid's art project they left until the last minute
Dad David who will let his kids gnaw on his fingers when they're teething
Dad David who thought he wouldn't be as good of a father as his own was but the second he laid eyes on his firstborn twins he swore he would dry his damn best (best dad david)
Parents Angel and David who go all out for birthday and holiday gifts (gets those kids everything on their wishlists)
Parents Angel and David who still made a point to teach their kids proper gratitude and respect (those kids are genuine angels that choose chaos) ((like someone we know veryyyy well))
Dad David who does the girls' hair in cute styles and is more than happy to oblige when his son shyly asks for pink bows in his hair (will fight anyone who says anything)
Dad David who loves his family more than anything
#redacted asmr#redacted audio#redactedverse#redacted david#redacted angel#redacted asmr fluff#girl dad david we all say in unison#redacted parent hcs#davidangel babies are just angel's duplicates in personality#that's why they have david wrapped around their little fingers#i wrote so many hcs i got word count restricted#i didn't even know there was a word limit#kae's headcanons
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like not a big thing... but am i the only one who feels that in the aftermath of Revalator, everyone is suddenly obsessed with the (absolutely minute) "chat blanc" parallels and trying to swerve the conversation to a 1-off sponsorship by Tsurugi so they dont have to acknowledge what just happened? Like "oh look Chat Blanc Parallels, clearly that means Marinette is right and the truth SHOULDNT come out unless he gets blanc'd again." The parallels are so flat they dont matter as anything but a way for the writers to claim mari is "secretly still right".
Also is it me or does the eraser just... feel wrong. Like it feels like a case of mari getting the answer she was wanting not the one she was needing... this is becoming a trend.
Starting with the London Movie with her seemingly deliberately misinterpreting the cat-lender, then Werepapa's 5 ignored charms. And now an episode half-way into the season where the item she gets is explicitly an excuse for her to get her stubborn way? (also how long it took her to figure out the mirror in Sublimation? Like her LB-spotty vision skills are definitly slacking at best this season) Like... it feels like she is legitimately tapping into that "evil ladybugs get what they want, good ladybugs get what they need" restriction in this episode. Like somewhere around the as-yet-unaired episode 8 she must have crossed that line definitively. Because if the power still gave "what she needs"? The lucky charm would not have told her to continue lying to Adrien. Because the Gabriel lie isn't something anyone in this show 'needs'. Its not just Adrien, Alya, and all of paris that need truth. Marinette needs to face the concequences of her lies, and needs the healing that can only come in the aftermath of this reveal. That eraser doesnt feel like like something Tiki gives Marinette, it feels like something Marinette made for herself.
like i know i've said before that if they're doing "Mari is the bad guy" i wanted this to be how the powers were affected, but I wanted the writers to be clear and honest that they were doing it, so that the the audience could clearly, openly see it, even if Mari couldn't yet. The current way of doing this is the worst of both worlds.
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Although this post focuses on the argument about Gabriel, I think this little passage just before the comedy of the Crowley/Gabriel encounter is crucial.
It is Crowley who first affirms the "we."
He could have said, "Jim, who's Jim?" but instead he asks, "Do WE know a Jim?"
"If that isn't fierce protectiveness...
And it's normal, Crowley saw with his own eyes what Gabriel was capable of, what he was going to do to Aziraphale, so of course he reacts that way to Aziraphale's blindness.
They're both stubborn, and I'm thinking about what Nina will say in the last episode:
"You're the hard one who can never trust anyone again, and Mr. Wherever He Is is the soft one who still believes in magic."
That's exactly how it plays out.
Crowley does not trust Gabriel, with good reason, but does not explain all the reasons.
Aziraphale is blinded by his empathy.
They don't really talk.
They don't listen to each other.
The proof:
The "exactly" conversation
"Gabriel has no friends"
Crowley: Exactly, and that's normal. Considering what he's done (not trusting).
Aziraphale: Exactly, that's why we have to be his friends (believes in magic).
I remember when we saw the sneak peek, we all saw that little gasp before Crowley said "peaceful.
This existence is more than important to him, it's "precious." That's a very strong word. Something precious has a very high value (emotional, moral); it's something that we are very attached to, that we hold very dear. So of course he sees Gabriel as a threat that could destroy that precious existence.
I've been thinking a lot about the fact that Crowley is speaking in the first person, but I realized that I still hear that "we" when he says "the existence I've carved out for myself here. Crowley means "the existence I carved out for myself here, with you."
And he gets angry when Aziraphale emphasizes the "we" because the angel has already made up his mind to help Gabriel. Aziraphale has decided what to do and expects Crowley to follow.
Aziraphale says "we" but acts as "I" and Crowley says "I" but thinks "we".
And the more I watch it, the more I see it as a foreshadowing of the last scene of the season.
One more time.
They're not talking to each other.
They're not listening to each other.
And the rest of the conversation changes nothing. Personally, I find Aziraphale a little manipulative, but it's also his last attempt to get Crowley to join his cause. Which, as we know, will come to nothing. (for now)
“To go?”
“Oh, right, this is how you wanna do it?”
“No, I would love you to help me. I’m asking you to help me take care of him. But if you won’t, you won’t.”
“Yeah, I won’t.”
To end on a positive/fun note.
We've seen Crowley throw his glasses around carelessly a few times.
Now, when I'm angry and I'm looking for something, if it's not in its usual place, I'm going to have trouble finding it.
Crowley is angry right now, but he knows exactly where his glasses are. Because they're in their usual place. He has a place for his glasses in the bookshop. (Probably my wishful thinking again, but let me dream).
Breakfast's ramblings, it's only my messy thoughts, as always bear with me ^^'
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Nathalie is resigned to find herself withdrawing to the empty balcony before the end of her own wedding. They won't miss her-- it's Emilie they're here for, and Emilie they'll get. She is happy to stay as a helper, as the lines drawn across the page of Emilie Graham de Vanily's life. This is what they are used to, Nathalie loving and working and Emilie shining. At the end of the day, Emilie will come back home and tell Nathalie she loves her, and it will be like the first time she said it, standing over Gabriel's grave, and Nathalie will know that she belongs in this family.
It's wonderful to watch her out there. Emilie spins between conversations, catches the light and shines around a glowing smile and makes the world fall in love. They congratulate her on the match, let her brush them off when they ask about how fresh the soil is over her last spouse, and they dance. Everybody dances with Emilie. Except Nathalie, but that's okay. Tonight, that isn't the place she's been given.
"Are you alright, Nathalie?*
She straightens, relaxes-- she wishes he'd stop asking that. But Adrien sometimes works in repetition, and she supposes there is logic in him running like clockwork every once and awhile. She tries not to parallel herself to a boy who has been told to be perfect and can't help but do what he's told. She knows it's different. She also knows what Emilie asks of him isn't wrong. Everything they do is for him. He owes Emilie obedience.
"Yes," she says, and remembers to smile. "It's a wonderful day."
"You're not going to dance?"
"I'm not much of a dancer."
"I've seen you and Mummy dancing before."
"That's-- not in public."
He nods. It's a sentiment the whole household knows. What stays inside against what gets to come out at parties, at work. They breathe it-- Adrien was raised on it, but Nathalie took it in herself, dropping out of college to help the Agrestes and hiding anything that might make them let her go. When they finally learnt her age, it changed very little.
"Just-- make sure you enjoy yourself."
"I am enjoying myself," she says, and looks at him. Just freshly a teenager, unsure of himself, and her family. Family. "I get to talk to you."
He laughs a little, like it's bullshit. It's not. She hates being disbelieved, but she stands and doesn't call him out.
"There you are!" Emilie rushes up to them, all fluttery gold and white. "I saw you two om the balcony together-- what are you doing all the way up here? My favourite son and my beautiful bride."
She kisses Nathalie. It takes her by surprise but it's nice and anyway, it's Emilie.
"I was just reminding my mum to enjoy herself," says Adrien, with a sideways grin at Nathalie.
Mum.
Nathalie has never been a parent. She was set on it as soon as it was suggested to her. She is not a teacher, not a protector-- she is a worker and a fighter and to Adrien she is a friend, first and foremost. But it's a good word-- mum. It finalises the marriage. She is with them, one of them. She is family.
She'll take being a mother for that.
But Emilie frowns. "Nathalie's said she doesn't want to be a mum."
"It's fine," Nathalie tells her, firm.
"Nathalie isn't your mother," says Emilie. "I'm your mother, why would you want to have another one?"
"But she's marrying you, I thought--"
"I understand the confusion," smiles Emilie, "but she's just my wife."
"Isn't she--"
"Don't call her your mum," says Emilie. "She's not actually related to you-- you know that."
She touches her rings.
Nathalie closes her eyes, and smiles flickeringly.
"Of course," says Adrien.
Somebody Nathalie doesn't know pushes his way onto the balcony. He shakes Emilie's hand enthusiastically.
"Lady Graham de Vanily," he exclaims-- "and the wife!"
A week later, Emilie calls them for a family meeting. Nathalie shows up, and Adrien stares at her hollowly.
"But you're not our family."
It's not his fault.
Emilie laughs it off for the both of them.
#mlb#ml#miraculous lb#miraculous ladybug#mlb emilie#emilie agreste#emilie graham de vanily#lm emilie#nathalie sancoeur#mlb nathalie#lm nathalie#adrien agreste#adrien graham de vanily#mlb adrien#lm adrien#ml emilie#ml nathalie#ml adrien#lifelong masquerade#eminath#lm nathalie you are everything to me. conflicting thoughts about motherhood a feeling of only ever being on the edges etc#writing#kupo writes#there we go i have a tag for that now
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Good Omens: Lockdown and Crowley not mentioning his living situation in S2*
*till S2E6 when he asks if he can have his apartment back bc he's bored of living in his car but Aziraphale doesn’t hear bc mentally he’s in Alpha Centauri.
Having read the 'Crowley doesn't tell him' Neil Gaiman ask close to when I first listened to Lockdown (I lived under a rock until recently), my initial thought was HAS HE BEEN LIVING IN HIS CAR FOR YEARS?! but I think he was still in his apartment in 2020:
as far as Hell knows, Crowley just had a pool party in holy water (the holiest) so the higher-ups are probably willing to give him some space (plus Beelzebub is busy going on pub dates w Gabriel)
while there should be ~8 months between the end of Season 1 events (The Very First Day of the Rest of Their Lives on Sunday, Aug 25, 2019) and the Lockdown phonecall (on or near the 30 year anniversary on May 1, 2020), I can't imagine that's a very long time for Hell, especially if you're understaffed and busy dealing with fallout from Almostgeddon / going on pub dates
Shax dropping off mail and asking about the boiler seems like something one does in the first few months of living somewhere, not ~3 years in (if S2 is in 2023)
That said, I think the phone call underlines why Crowley never directly tells Aziraphale that he is living in the Bentley in S2, and it's just a great conversation (all hail Gaiman) sooo I wrote about it:
***Note: This post analyzes the Lockdown phonecall from Crowley's perspective only. Our heroine is feeling quite emotionally vulnerable at this point in time so things are going to hit him harder than they normally would.
I do not think Aziraphale meant to cause him pain (!!) but Crowley can't see that yet and I've written this post in a way that reflects that missing insight. (I explain in more detail in this reblog if you are interested) I am working on a companion post for Aziraphale's side of this conversation and how I think it affects his behavior in S2 because if we know anything about these two, it's that their exactlys are different exactlys.***

Crowley’s habit of sleeping to skip time like an RPG character by a campfire amuses me to no end, but in this context it feels heavy. Crowley already worries about losing time with what he loves and he probably hoped things would be different between him and Aziraphale after the events of S1. But things don’t change much. Then lockdowns start, and Crowley is trapped in his apartment alone, transcendentally bored, and unable to make his brain shut up. Sleeping a month away starts to sound less awful.
But Crowley hasn’t given up yet; he’s still awake when Aziraphale calls, and he’s even giving it two more days. Was he waiting for Aziraphale to call? Is it even possible not to at least kind of wait for someone’s call when you are cut off from everything and the caller has been your only friend and crush for millennia?
Aziraphale asks why Crowley isn't "out and about" tempting people or setting a bad example and he responds:
C: Everyone's so miserable and cooped up right now anyway, and I just… well… don't have the heart for it. A: *glowing audibly* I'm not miserable~ C: Really?
Crowley sounds genuinely surprised at Aziraphale's happiness and quickly assumes it's because the angel has been around people. He's so lonely/depressed/in his own head that he hadn't even considered someone enjoying being 'cooped up'. *sob*
Aziraphale goes No actually I put the closed sign up in the window and I'm having the Time of My Life, never had so few customers, not in 200 years!, etc. Although, he says:
A: …There were a few young lads a couple of nights ago who broke in through the back and tried to steal the cashbox! But they soon saw the error of their ways~ C: *clearly amused* Did you smite them with your wroth? A: Well I certainly gave them a good talking to, and I sent each of them home with cake~ C: *annoyed, swooning* Cake? A: Quite a lot of cake, actually. C: *physically ill from having such a giant crush on this dumbass baker/security guard* eeeekkkgghhh I'm gonna regret asking but.. ...rrgh.. *30 seconds of Aziraphale joyfully describing his baking while Crowley probably tries very hard not to imagine the angel eating each item in sensual slow motion* I stg you can hear him struggling in the background once or twice
A: …And once I've baked them, I have to eat them all myself, which was why I was so delighted— C: To send your burglars home laden with baked goods, yes, nnyeaayeah I follow…
Crowley interrupts, finishing Aziraphale's sentence in his nervous hurry to say the next bit:
C: *loud inhale* You know, I could.. hunker down at your place. … Slither over and watch you eat cake. I could bring a bottle--a case of… something… drinkable…?
He's trying to sound so casual about it but this is someone who was rejected/abandoned by actual literal God after asking what he thought were welcome, uncontroversial questions. Asking makes him vulnerable. He's supposed to be the rescuer, not a demon in distress. He does not feel casual about asking.
Crowley knows it's unlikely but he's so miserable and desperate for company that he can't help but ask, just in case. Even the smallest chance of spending time trapped indoors with Aziraphale—with nothing to do but drink, watch him eat, and talk about things they'd normally avoid—is too tempting.
A: *panicking* Oh I— I— I— I— I'm afraid that would be Breaking All The Rules! *nervous breathing* Out of the question! I'll see you… when this is over. C: Right. gnnehh. I'm setting the alarm clock for July. Good night, angel. *dial tone*
And just like that, Crowley doesn't need two days to decide. The depression nap doubles in length. He doesn't hear how badly Aziraphale wants to say yes behind the fear, or maybe he does and it hurts worse because why isn't Crowley enough for him? You can almost hear the spiralling:
SHOCKING, asking made it worse. It always does doesn’t it? Why even bother? you just embarrass yourself.. SLITHER over? why did I say that *grumble grumble* of COURSE His Holy Holiness, your only friend in the universe, would rather eat cake by himself while everything goes to shit than ~deign~ to have you in his presence. "AsK aND yE sHaLl ReCeIvE" bugger this for a lark im going to bed
(a bit dramatic but we've all been there)
I imagine sleep doesn't come right away. Maybe his thoughts drift to when he sat beside the angel at a dark Tadfield bus stop after a rather eventful Saturday. Crowley must've felt a tiny bit hopeful when he invited Aziraphale to stay with him: Heaven had withdrawn its favor and the bookshop was gone; Aziraphale was like him now. Didn't that mean things would change?
"I don't think my side would like that." Apparently not.
In the end, Aziraphale did ride the bus back to Crowley's apartment and stayed till the next morning when he caught a cab, but only to sell the illusion. Crowley understood that as far as sides went, the angel was still on Heaven's, even if Heaven wasn't on his.
And now this: the entire world is shut down; there is nothing for Aziraphale to do but stay in and read and bake in his magically reconstituted bookshop and he still won't invite Crowley in. Burglars and un-fallen angels only—nobody who asks questions.
So... of course Crowley doesn't tell Aziraphale when he loses his apartment. He already knows what answer he would get; the angel has told him so many times. Aziraphale is a company man first, a companion to one very sad owl when convenient.
If Crowley works up the courage to say 'please take me in, I have nowhere else to go' and Aziraphale goes 'sorry, no, far too political, but I WILL risk being erased from the Book of Life to protect this nude amnesiac former coworker who always hated me,' it's going to be too much. You can't sleep long enough for that type of hurt to go away. Better not to say anything.
"Then nothing has to change, does it?"
#edited to add the note about crowley's perspective right after the cut! apologies if it seemed anti-aziraphale before!#good omens meta#good omens lockdown#good omens 2#ineffable husbands#ineffable spouses#ineffable divorcees#i can't even imagine navigating the pandemic brain scramblies while pining THAT HARD#Aziraphale is a company man (gn) but i think S3 will cure him of that#long but if i can't write essays about this on tumblr then where#good omens spoilers
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Miraculous Ladybug - Miraculous Menaces AU: The Night Nobody Knocked
So, a couple of weeks back, I posted an idea for a 'Villain Chat' AU where Hawkmoth recruiting his son is wholesome/goofy instead of abusive/manipulative.
People seemed to like the idea, so here's a first chapter. Has some dramatic elements, but is primarily comedic.
A collection of vignettes covering an AU where Chat becomes Hawkmoth's partner in crime. At first, Adrien thought that the day he found out that his father was the supervillain terrorizing the people of Paris was the worst day of his life, but in retrospect, it might have been the one change needed to save his family. Because it was also the day that both of them realized that, when they don't need to be Adrien and Gabriel Agreste, they're both fucking goobers. Follow the adventures of Hawkmoth, Chat Noir, and their reluctant assistant who doesn't get paid enough, Nathalie, as they try to navigate life as a supervillain family. And pray for Ladybug's sanity as she suffers their antics.
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Hello! Thank you so much for all your hard work I've found so many great fics here! I have a recommendation/request. I recently read the WIP, Play for me the Music of your Heart (https://archiveofourown.org/works/40016034) by Leviosally468 which is fabulous. Do you know of other fics where one or both of them are classical musicians/conductors? I looked through the famouscrowley and famousaziraphale tags but didn't find anything. Thanks so much!!
Hi! Here are some fics in which one or both of them are involved with classical music (and one jazz, because it's really good)...
Opera Cakes and Second Takes by ThatWriterKid (T)
One week. Four pairs of students. The goal: write an opera and perform it in six days. Professors Ezra Fell and Anthony Crowley weren’t expecting to write an opera in a week, but tenure is rare and life throws you curveballs.
The Underlying Melody by Tossukka (E)
Crowley is the keyboardist and the main songwriter in a world-famous rock band, the Burning Rejects. When the band is asked to perform with a classical violinist in a charity concert, Crowley isn’t thrilled but tentatively agrees to do it for a good cause. Aziraphale, who performs under the stage name A.Z. Fell isn't any more excited to play his violin with a rock band but accepts the proposition for similar reasons. When Crowley and Aziraphale meet, they expect to have nothing in common. However, their working relationship quickly turns into close friendship and mutual attraction. Between rehearsals for the concert, they share lunches, enjoy nights of drunken conversations, and manage to have and resolve some artistic differences. When the performance approaches, both know their collaboration will soon be over, taking away their excuses for spending so much time together, but neither of them is quite ready yet to let each other go.
I Attempt from Love's Sickness to Fly (in Vain) by wyrmy (E)
“Goodness me,” said Aziraphale breathlessly, “this isn’t what one is supposed to do in a practice room.” Crowley, a vocal student at University, is assigned to collaborate with a student accompanist, Aziraphale, who has some very strange and dark secrets.
Love, Syncopation, and Other Key Elements of Jazz by feathereddino (T)
The jazz duo of A.J. and Fell are an unstoppable force well into their mid-twenties, but when Crowley's illness causes the pair to step back from the spotlight, an enterprising music manager scoops up Aziraphale's career. Dazzled, Aziraphale will abandon all of his former life to be Gabriel's perfect star but lose himself and his happiness along the way. It would take a very steady and forgiving heart for someone to love him through it all...
Intermezzo by FeralTuxedo (E)
Music critic Aziraphale Fell is trying to break into the world of television, when he is signed to make a documentary about former-rockstar-turned-composer Anthony Crowley. It’s been eleven years since Aziraphale’s disastrous review of Crowley’s debut opera nipped his classical music career in the bud. He can only hope that Crowley will get over his admittedly justified grudge to make the TV show a success. A classical music sex comedy. Yes, really.
Of Harpsichord and Falsetto by saretton (E)
"And that was the magic of it all: Aziraphale was at such a level in his mastery that he could tidy up all that apparent chaos. He made it seem so easy, so effortless, even though Crowley knew that, behind that polished façade, there were years of study, practice and daily sacrifices. In the days when they both attended the music school, Crowley used to sit outside the rehearsal classroom to listen to Albert as he practiced playing the piano almost every afternoon. Sometimes Crowley would even ditch other classes to do that." ----- A Good Omens Musicians AU.
And the one you mentioned...
Play for me the Music of your Heart by Leviosally468 (E) (WIP)
Anthony J. Crowley, a talented virtuoso violinist finally makes the move west to Nightingale Bay, Oregon after escaping a simultaneously promising yet toxic life at Elysian Conservatory of Music in New York City. Aziraphale Z. Fell is Eastern Gate University’s friendly and talented piano professor and symphony conductor. Let's see how that goes, shall we?
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The Rules of the Twist
Given the themes of deception and sleight of hand in Good Omens season 2, I think most of us agree it's at least possible there's some kind of twist waiting to be revealed in season 3. We're bouncing around a lot of theories, but I wanted to take a step back and look at the general shape of what we might expect.
The big twist we've seen before in Good Omens is Crowley and Aziraphale's body swap. (Okay, technically it was an appearance swap. But that just doesn't sound as pithy.) Rather than anticipate an exact repeat of this trick, I'm considering the swap as a sort of model. What does it tell us about the rules Neil plays by when he pulls a twist in this story? What clues can we expect, and what can we not count on? Sure, there's no guarantee that a season 2 twist is going to map exactly onto what we've seen in the past, but I think it's a reasonable place to start. Take these as guidelines and take them with a grain of salt, but if you're sorting through all our fascinating Good Omens theories and trying to decide what you think, you might find them helpful.
So then, what are the rules?
Broadly speaking, Neil plays fair with twists. He foreshadows and includes enough hints for the audience to make a reasonable guess at what's going on, or at least to look back after the reveal and go, "oh, of course". But he still keeps some cards close to the chest.
During the body swap, there are two big gaps in the information we're given:
Key events happen off screen The swap happened between scenes, during a time that it was only suggested, not confirmed, that Crowley and Aziraphale would be together. The transition between these scenes also used film and tv conventions to make that passage of time "invisible" - we see Crowley and Aziraphale get on the bus, and then we see them in the morning going about their days separately, and we're conditioned to think nothing important could have happened in between.
Key tools (eg abilities, items, information) haven't been shown before The swap was not something we'd ever seen Crowley and Aziraphale do, and it wasn't something they'd ever talked about either. It fit comfortably into the established world building but it hadn't been specifically signposted as a possibility.
The other big twist that Good Omens pulled was the romance between Gabriel and Beelzebub as the explanation for Gabriel's disappearance from heaven. Both of these information gaps are involved here too. The offscreen event is obviously the meetings between Gabriel and Beelzebub that lead to them falling in love - up until Gabriel's flashback sequence, the only indication they'd ever met each other was a brief conversation at the airbase during Armageddon. The tool that we haven't seen before is Beelzebub's ability to create a fly vessel for Gabriel's memories (protecting him in much the same way that Crowley and Aziraphale protected each other with their body swap, in fact).
These are pretty big gaps, really. And given that Neil knew there'd be years between seasons 2 and 3, I expect he would have leaned pretty heavily into them if he wanted to hide something. So how do we predict a twist if we can't know where it is and haven't seen what it might involve?
Unanswered questions
This is the big one. Looking at where the furniture isn't, you might say.
What's interesting is that the questions that point to a twist aren't usually subtle or ambiguous. For the body swap, the two converging questions were: what did Agnes' last prophecy mean, and how could Crowley and Aziraphale survive their executions? In season two, some of the unanswered questions signposting Gabriel/Beelzebub were: how did Gabriel lose his memory, why was he carrying a box, what was the significance of the song he kept singing, who was he at the Resurrectionist with...
I think guesses about upcoming twists are most convincing when they seek to tie up loose threads from the show. For this reason, I'm a little skeptical of theories proposing the kiss between Crowley and Aziraphale involved some kind of twist. It isn't impossible, I just don't see any unanswered questions there. (Savvy readers may note that I too have speculated about a twist hidden in the kiss. I do find the possibility fun, but it's not a theory I'm seriously committed to). If I was going to really buy into one of these theories, I'd want it to explain one of my big unanswered questions other than "but how could they get into a fight that hurts me so deep in my soul?" That's definitely a question I have, but not technically a mystery.
It's worth noting that in the case of the body swap, we were initially given a false answer to the question "how did they survive their executions?" The angels and demons watching attribute it to Crowley and Aziraphale having "gone native", believing that their natures had fundamentally changed, making them immune to holy water and hellfire. It might be the case, then, that some of the apparently resolved questions this season warrant further investigation. Is there more to the story of Gabriel's disappearance than we know, for example?
2. Unexplained details
If examining an unanswered question is looking at where the furniture isn't, then this is where we take all the pieces of furniture piled up in storage and see if we've got anything that fits. Everything is fair game here: script, acting, music, props, sets, costumes, editing, camera angles, audio effects, visual effects, everything. If it's on the screen or coming through the speakers, it was put there on purpose by multiple teams of highly skilled and attentive creators all working together to create the final product.
I think you could probably do an entire meta on all the little details pointing towards the season 1 body swap, but here are some of the big ones:
"Crowley" sees the restored Bentley, but takes a taxi instead of driving it
"Aziraphale" circles "Crowley" when they order their ice creams, the way Crowley more typically moves around Aziraphale
"Crowley" says "tickety boo", an extraordinarily Aziraphalean phrase
The collar on "Crowley's" jacket is a beige tartan rather than its usual red
There are general differences in the ways David Tennant and Michael Sheen embody the characters throughout the swap
Similarly, Gabriel and Beelzebub's romance has lots of small details pointing to it. The big one that keeps showing up is the connection between Gabriel and flies. He mentions them and interacts with them repeatedly, and although it isn't obvious at first glance, there's a fly in the box that he carries to the bookshop. This all culminates in the reveal that it's the same fly, Beelzebub's gift to him.
Here's the problem, of course: if everything in the show is intentional and crafted with meticulous attention to detail, how do we know what actually matters? This is why I think it's so important to look at the unanswered questions first. There's a joy in seeking out Easter eggs and connecting all the dots, and sometimes you might strike gold this way, but there's also a lot of noise in the signal. It's helpful to know the general shape of what you're looking for, so you'll know when you've found it.
You can reverse engineer this. Start with details that jump out at you and then look for a puzzle they might explain. This works, but it's a little easier to get lost in the weeds, struggling to sort out what's significant and what's a fun reference to another piece of media or a hint to a question that's already been resolved. Going back to the twists we've already seen on this show, the unanswered questions around them were really big and obvious, so I think it's a good idea to ask: if I hadn't noticed this detail, would I have thought this was a mystery that needed solving?
Okay, but what do we do with this?
Well, maybe nothing. These criteria can't confirm or rule out any theories, after all. I'm laying it out like a rubric but it isn't really, I'm just describing a few storytelling patterns we've seen before and making some rough guesses about how they might show up again. If I were really serious about this I'd probably take a look at other examples of Neil's work and see how well my model holds up there, but the truth is I'm not really familiar with enough of his other works to do this. (Confession time: I was always more of a Pratchett fan).
The main reason that I've laid everything out like this is it informs my thinking when I stress test my own theories, and I figured other people might be interested in it. I'm also hoping it will help me to be able to refer back to this when I write meta in the future. For my own purposes, I find a breakdown like this helpful because it gives me a sense of how a writer approaches their story, where they'll tip their hand and where they'll hold things close. It's no guarantee and it wouldn't be any fun if it was, but in a lot of cases we're not aware of our own patterns, so it can be surprisingly illuminating.
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Theory: Adrien... isn't actually sure how to feel about Gabriel going out.
Namely after the immediate reaction of his father just being gone and for one good deed at that, it's likely he feels... weird. He's free. He doesn't have to be a model, go to London or anything aside from be the kid he can be but it seems like the cost was... his dad. A dad that was incredibly distant and incredibly controlling of his "muse."
Even without knowing he was a Sentimonster, he felt the strings being pulled on some level.
No crap he looks relatively well adjusted in Season 6. With his father, his feelings are probably, "I miss the idea of him but not... him," at the very most. But that's not exactly something you wanna bring up in casual conversation.
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The Bullet Catch and the Final 15
DO NOT ASK NEIL ABOUT FAN THEORY
Okay, this started as a completely different post. I was writing something else and I had to abandon it because I realized I needed to be writing this instead. It was like a lightbulb moment, or rather, a headlight moment (see what I did there?)
"Banana, Fish, Gorilla, Shoelace, with a dash of Nutmeg." Clearly adversarial forces are capable of seeing what Crowley and Aziraphale are talking about within the bookshop from across the street. It's confirmed the zombies have gotten The Marvellous Mr. Fell's strange magic words correct at the end of the 1941 minisode. Is this foreshadowing the clear observation of the final conversation Aziraphale and Crowley share directly in front of the bookshop window, by the Metatron?
"Aim for my mouth, shoot past my ear". Well if this isn't that damn kiss I don't know what is. And the bullet, the bullet hiding in his mouth. Magicians historically have had keys passed to them through their mouths via a kiss. Crowley sure did aim for that mouth...
"You have formed a de-facto partnership with the demon Crowley." It's a threat, plain and simple. It's the same thing as Furfur showing up in the dressing room with a photograph of the two of them. And what does Aziraphale do both times? He pulls the same fearful face, is terrified for Crowley, and immediately figures out something to quash the threat. Aziraphale is so smart and so fearful for Crowley's safety, he will do whatever it takes, above his own interests to keep him safe.
"Trust me". The bullet catch. God, the stress of this trick, this insane show of trust and love. "You said trust me", "and you did". I have watched season two an unknowable number of times now, and this is still difficult to see on screen, but it's there. Aziraphale mouths, "trust me" and Crowley catches it, and more importantly, trusts him.
This angel knows he's being watched, the love of his life has been threatened, he knows he has no options and he needs to perform a massive trick to save Crowley. Good thing, he always gets it right the time it matters.
Honorable mention: I am an "Aziraphale was trying to signal for a time stop/help to Crowley" truther, here, when it looks like maybe he mimes 'timeout' and "help". I think either Crowley was too blinded by his newfound plan to confess his undying love for Aziraphale to pick up on his "something's wrong voice" or clear non-verbal communication, which we've established this season they are very good at (see Aziraphale asking Crowley to freeze Dalrymple in Edinburgh). OR he did catch the signals and he is LISTENING.
If you haven't read this post by @noneorother about the parallels between The Tales of Hoffmann and GO season 2, you need to. But to snag a small quote of theirs to highlight this one specific point:
"Stella [Aziraphale] arrives in the tavern looking for Hoffmann [Crowley], ready to run away, but now accompanied by Lindoff [Metatron] (dressed as an angelic figure) who followed her. She looks to Hoffmann to save her, but he's too blinded by the fact that he doesn't think she loves him back to pick up on the signal. He gives up, and she goes back up the stairs guided by Lindoff." - @noneorother
Okay but seriously make sure you go read that whole post.
If that isn't what happens in the final 15, what is?
Then we have the end of 1941 pt.2, wine in the backroom, and the reveal of the photograph. Crowley realizes Aziraphale saved him, he realizes how much he can trust him, and if my observed light bulb headlight moment is anything, it happened after the final 15 too. He knows. It's still devastating, it's still heartbreaking, and it doesn't invalidate all the feelings and love they couldn't quite come out and communicate right then. They are living under an Orwellian regime, this isn't really a job they can quit or even run away from. They were angels created for a purpose. Sure gabriel and Beelzebub left, but how long until someone tries to hunt them down? Plus, what's the point if Crowley and Aziraphale abandon Earth and just let armageddon part two happen? That's a pretty shit thing of them to do. They want to live on Earth, they want to protect the humans, and they want to do it together.
They didn't eat the apple, the humans did. Maybe at the end of season 3, they'll get their chance.
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"Got Any Better Ideas?" Aziraphale's Conviction and Crowley's Resignation
I was watching that scene in 1x06 again, and something clicked for me that never any sense to me before. In fact, it explained a couple things in season 2 .
See this scene is beautiful, heartbreaking, and hilarious all in one. We see yet another example of how much Crowley cares about Aziraphale... And we see Aziraphale making a bizarre move to (?) attack Crowley, then make a childish threat that won't matter given that they're both about die.
Before, I just assumed that he was just saying whatever thought ran through his head.
Now I get it.
Recap: Crowley realized that Gabriel and Beelzebub told on them Satan. Satan, who was now coming to kill them all. Crowley was this close to giving up, and then Aziraphale picked up his sword.
There's only one reason why: Aziraphale wasn't going to give up. In that moment, Aziraphale chose to fight Satan. He knew he would likely die trying.
(Psst! Past self: He's not giving Crowley some weird, friendship ultimatum!)
He's terrified. But resolved. And he knows this really will be their last conversation.
And Crowley gets it. He might not have believed that they were going to survive Satan's arrival, but he hadn't quite put together like this: If he isn't able to come up with another plan, Aziraphale will take up his sword against Satan and Crowley will have to watch him die.
So Crowley got a better idea, remembering Adam's power, he decided to give the human(s) the choice and protect it alongside Aziraphale.
Season 2
This is part of larger ongoing dynamic where (unless circumstances allow Crowley to give Aziraphale a better plan which actually addresses the problem) Aziraphale will act, like choosing to help Jim!Gabriel. If he thinks it's the right thing to do, he'll do it, regardless of the costs. It won't deter him at all.
Crowley learned that about him some time ago.
He saw Aziraphale lie to save Lot's children despite fully expecting to go hell for it.
(Plus Aziraphale straight up lied to God about the flaming sword that time, right? UMM... Why didn't he fall????)
So there Crowley is, apologizing(?), dancing, and lying about the full extent of the danger they're in.
I don't agree with Crowley's actions, with the lying especially. (Seriously, Crowley? Tell Aziraphale about the Extreme Sanctions!!) But Crowley is resigned to help at this point because he knows Aziraphale will be in danger anyways and he knows that when Aziraphale has made his mind up, he won't change it. Crowley can only offer his help or provide a different solution.
And since their communication problems are so big right now, their dynamic is to work around each other rather than with each other.
Right from the very beginning, their conception of the problem is very different.
Crowley: We're exposed to danger because of Gabriel, we have to find a way to hide Gabriel/ourselves from Heaven and Hell.
Aziraphale: Jim!Gabriel (innocent like Lot's children/rather childlike himself) is in danger, we have to find a way to hide Gabriel from Heaven and Hell.
TAKEAWAY
-Crowley wants them both to stay away from the toxic plans of Heaven/Hell so they can be safe together.
-Aziraphale wants to directly interfere with the plans of Heaven/Hell when he feels the responsibility to do good.
Takeaway on the ending of season 2:
When their perspective on the problem is so different to begin with, the breakup makes a little more sense to me. Though no less horrible.
(Wild Card: Heaven is the symbol of what is right and good? Aziraphale since when??? UGH, I have to meta more about this: Aziraphale's (and Crowley's) belief in the ineffable plan and how it affects his idea of reform/fixing the institutional problem of Heaven.)
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