#fuck all exclusionists
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mspectral · 2 years ago
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former exclusionists: huh maybe exclusionism is bad. i accept now that it doesn’t matter what someone’s labels are, we all count as queer in this community. learned my lesson! all good!
the aspec, mspec, nonbinary, polyamorous, and other queer folks who have had to deal with years of harassment and invalidation from exclusionists in their own community: we don’t trust or forgive you.
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elliott-the-creature · 2 months ago
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keep seeing cool posts but then realizing the account is aggressively anti endo/anti nontraumagenic… day is ruined :’(
(seriously though wtf is wrong with people… just because you don’t have trauma doesn’t make you any less valid!!! plurality is SO diverse and unique for each system, they aren’t all the same. same rhetoric as transmeds and anti xenogenders…) -🌿🪲
no matter how many I block and report, they just keep appearing :(( -🐶🎀
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crystalsandbubbletea · 6 months ago
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Just found an exclusionist who claimed asexual can't be a spectrum 💀
The username is @/girloninterweb
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transmaverique · 4 months ago
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amab and afab, if they were used as shorthand for the actual full phrases that they signify, with emphasis on the "assigned" part, and an understanding that they are enforcements of normative (ie, dyadic and cisgender and binary) sex, would be like. really useful. but people took the terms and started using them as shorthand FOR normative sex instead of the ENFORCEMENT OF normative sex. so when other trans people (almost always dyadic trans people) ask for your agab they are almost always asking for your Original Genital Situation. your starting point, so to say. and the reason FOR asking is also almost always bc they are trying to also enforce a certain kind of normativity within queer spaces (which is stupid bc being queer is inherently non-normative but here we are). like, you cant be a lesbian if you're ftm, bc you ARE m, so if you ARE a lesbian, then that means you're lying about some aspect of your identity. does that make sense?
it is always always always incredibly.... i do not trust dyadic trans people that use cagab terms, even moreso than i do not trust dyadic trans people that just use agab terms. agab is also coopted intersex language, but the "coercive" part of cagab SPECIFICALLY refers to medical "intervention" of intersex characteristics, such as "corrective" surgeries and hrt. i am deeply fucking suspicious of any dyadic trans person that uses those terms exactly the same as described above, even moreso if they do so bc "all gender is coercive".
like. yeah. that's true. but you use these terms to erase and overtake intersex discussions on the medical abuse of intersex infants. and i cant help but wonder why you would feel the need to do that.
#iirc it was also common to tirf ideology and the baeddel group#< notoriously intersexist group#to say nothing of any other tirf beliefs#both of these misuses of agab and cagab come from the same source#but it is . deeply disconcerting with cagab#bc its like. that is such a lesser known term in the greater dyadic trans community#you would HAVE to have known what it originally meant#either YOU are misusing it INTENTIONALLY#or someone TAUGHT you to misuse it INTENTIONALLY#people that are cruel and bigoted always want to believe theyre good people#so its hard to convince them when they are being bigoted#esp as marginalized people#and especially as a marginalized people that is particularly affected by the same enforcement of normative sex#the more i learned about this the more i learned abt intersexism in trans spaces#the more i notice it. its so fucking pervasive#and like u should care abt intersexism on its own but its like#no surprise that the ppl misusing cagab terms usually are transandrophobic (as the discourse du jour) and exorsexist#these things go together and reinforce each other#anyways it sucks bc ill see a BEAUTIFULLY written analysis of transmisogyny but so often there will be#like one thing. two things maybe.#and ill go to ops blog search a few keywords and lo and behold#they are transphobic. they are intersexist. they are racist. they are aphobic.#all forms of exclusionist politic in the queer community just lead into each other ad infinitum#nauseating... and#i will read the theory of people who disgust me or who are fundamentally wrong abt other ppls experiences bc i think they still have#valuable things to say but i am SO FUCKING TIRED of running into the same goddamn problem EVERY fucking time#i think its just the posts that get circulated the most that are like that#bc i think the majority of people dont actively seek out and learn abt new queer theory as it rolls in#or other ppls experiences in general#so they dont learnt to recognize the red flags or even realize why its bad in the first place
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fortheloveofpiggy · 5 months ago
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People in Palestine are being murdered
Being queer is still illegal in so many countries
Our rights in America are being threatened
Trump wants to eradicate trans and gnc people
Intersex children are still being forced into surgeries before they can even talk
Trans and queer children are being bullied and killed in schools
yet lesboys is the biggest queer discourse right now?
When will we see that we only care about these small things because we’re too afraid to face the things killing us.
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the-irken-pony · 2 years ago
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As an aroace trans man who joined tumblr right around the peak of its aphobia phase (2016) it’s surreal seeing people with “aphobes dni” in their bio post the exact same shit about trans men that people were posting about asexuals ~5 years ago and by surreal I mean I hate it here
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steakout-05 · 7 months ago
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i might get some hate for this depending on where this post goes but i think lesboys are so valid and the discourse about them is so ridiculous. like you guys shouldn't have to deal with all that and it frustrates me that people throw hissy fits over an identity that literally does not affect them at all.
"but men cant be lesbians-" wrong. butch lesbians and trans men have a really closely connected history with each other that practically intersects and you should really do some research on that before you make blanket statements, not to mention that gender and sexuality is weird and wobbly and fluid and a very personal experience. it means a different thing to each person. being a man can be something completely different and saying stuff like this ignores people like demiboys, demigirls, genderfluid and genderflux people etc. these people will really preach "demolish the gender binary!! love is love!!" until someone's relationship with gender and sexuality is a little too freaky for them to handle and be challenged by lmaoo
"ohhh but what about the cishet men who say they're lesbians to prey on women-" YEAH WHAT ABOUT THEM????? THIS AIN'T ABOUT THEM BRO!!!!! this argument also REEKS of terfy "trans women are just predatory men!!!111!!1" rhetoric and it grosses me out. yeah some men are gross and do try to pull this but that does not negate someone's entire identity completely just because of a few bad actors, you know that right? actual black and white behaviour.
queer discourse is silly and i don't know why it's a thing. just let people exist. it isn't that hard. we have worse things to worry about than whether someone calls themselves a lesboy or not. i think we need to unplug our ears and yank our heads out of the sand and remember that the queer community is what it is because of our unique and amazing diversity. arguing over labels like school children isn't gonna help that. damn.
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feralfanatic · 2 months ago
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I want to live in a world where in-fighting in the queer community does not exist. I want to live in a world where queer youth like me don't feel hurt that our identity is attacked. I want to live in a world where I can be trans without being a boogie monster. I want to live in a world where I can be on the ace spectrum without being broken, or not "ace enough." I want to live in a world where the fluidity of my gender is not me being "indecisive" but simply me I want to live in a world where my AroAce, AroAllo, AlloAce, and whatever other terms you like to use feel respected. I want to live in a world where the queer community doesn't shun people with neo-pronouns. I want to live in a world where queer POC feel welcomed and safe. I want to live in a world where I can be queer and Asian American without feeling like a fetish. I want to live in a world where trans women aren't bared from women's spaces. I want to live in a world where Bi, Pan, Omni, and any other identity is allowed to love who they love. I want to live in a world where queer Palestians can be free. I want to live in a world where disabled queer people are accepted. I want to live in a world where queer people can access medicine. I want to live in a world where queer people can EXIST. I want to live in a world where people understand, that queerness, as a whole, is about going beyond the "norm" and no matter how that is, whether you're Lesbian, Gay, Transgender, Bisexual, Queer, Two spirited, Asexual, Aromantic, Non-binary, whatever you are, no matter how obscure your label is, I want to live in a world where that is accepted in our community, because our community is about being different, out of the norm, we can accept ourselves as normal humans, as people, and still understand; Queerness is about defying norms and being WHO YOU ARE. No matter who you are. And making the world and our community understand that starts with us. I stand with the community, not the exclusion.
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arlosworld91 · 5 months ago
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Friendly reminder anyone can be a lesbian. <33
All gays and lesbians are valid.
Fuck the label/identity police.
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non-un-topo · 2 months ago
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I've spent a massive amount of time with straight people this week, and I've surmised that they almost exclusively talk about the following subjects:
- Harry Potter
- Their children / future family-making plans
- Travel (always tropical or warm)
- How little they have in common with their spouse
- Sports
- Diets
- US politics (we're in Canada)
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ancient-depressed-druid · 8 days ago
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It feels so weird that as a bisexual woman I experienced prejudice twice from inside the LGBT+ community.
The first time was bc I thought i was asexual bc i felt the same way towards men AND woman and it couldn't possibly be sexual attraction (talk about internalized homophobia). So many people told me to kms for "pretending to be queer". Many more told me they could "fix" my sexual orientation with sex.
The second time was when i realized i was bisexual and people in the community (mostly lesbians, unfortunately) invalidated my sexuality and i suddenly became a "sexual deviant", a "farce that pretended to be bisexual for male sexual gratification" and a "cheater". Again I was told to kms. Again people said they could "fix" me with sex.
So, in one expierence I was not sexual enough, the other i was overly sexual.
In one I could never be with someone, the other I could never be with "just one" person.
Did my behavior change? No.
Did my morals change? No.
Did i suddenly go from not fucking to having sex with each and every person i could find? No.
I just had a better understanding of my own sexual orientation and opted for a label that best reflected that understanding.
And yet, people still dont understand why so many bisexuals are ace inclusionists...
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knifearo · 11 months ago
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not a huge fan of the trend of people waltzing onto my posts lately to give a paragraphs-long spiel about how they "used to identify as ace" (citing internalized homophobia as a reason) and then go on to talk malicious fucking nonsense about ace identity. protip to all the baby aces out there. just because someone used to use the label does not mean that they are exempt from having shit opinions and bad takes. ur relationship with your label is your own relationship with your own label and bitches on the internet have no say about it at all
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cybrthrillz · 4 months ago
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it really fucking baffles my mind how someone can hold the beliefs that perisex afab transfems and amab transmascs are valid but lesboys arent. yes people like this genuinely exist. its so strange to me
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varteeny1234 · 8 months ago
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this is about mspec and transmasc and genderqueer/nonbinary lesbians specifically, do not derail
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sirenium · 1 year ago
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Me: *looks up stuff relating to radical inclusion*
Google: hey pal you want multiple links to the truscum subreddit???
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helpicant-stop · 6 months ago
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friendly reminder that exclusionists are NOT welcome on this blog under any circumstances
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